because he's got more baggage than a united air terminal.
maybe you're right, but if he can play better than who we have on the roster (which isn't saying much) then I think you take the baggage with him. he's probably the best option without making a trade.
Rodak ESPN: @mikerodak: Quite a few scouts on hand today for Bills-Bucs. Hundreds of NFL players on the move within the next week. (Including Marc Ross Giants see below) Link - ( New Window )
Wright is terrible and was on the bubble to be cut.
fake tweet?
Wright had 54 catches last year for over 10 yards a catch. And 5 TDs.
Myers had 47 catches for over 11 yards a catch and 4 TD's, what did you think of him?
Not the issue. Would the Giants have cut him?
My point was - and someone quoted it, the Bucs were not happy with his performance in camp and he was rumored to be on the bubble. The quote is above where it says Wright got the message from Smith and had been playing better.
@theMMQB: Our @Andy_Benoit on the new #Patriots TE: "Tim Wright has the body control & quickness to blossom into a top-5 pass-catcher at his position"
@greggrosenthal: Tim Wright is a relatively small part of deal. Was close roster to bubble in Tampa. It’s about Mankins, draft pick.
@Jason_OTC: Logan Mankins will carry a $4.25 million cap charge for NE in 2014 and another $4 million in 2015
@ArmandoSalguero: Jeff Ireland told me two years ago he called Pats about Logan Mankins. Obviously the Pats were not going to send him within the division.
And they probably would keep him now if he were on the team.
The Giants voided Myers contract. They cut him.
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As we mentioned was expected on Friday, the New York Giants have voided the contracts of tight end Brandon Myers and cornerback Corey Webster, making both free agents.
Truth is, neither player will be missed by the Giants.
is that Mankins was a high possibility of being cut due to his decline in performance and $10.5 million cap number.
So rather than cut him, they were able to find a team to trade for him, take on the money, give them a middle round draft pick and a player back.
Oddly enough, Mankins came up in stories a few months ago about his future (links below).
The takeaway I got from it is that at Mankins at his age (32) and cap number ($10.5 million - 2nd highest on the team), unless he is playing at an elite level, simply is not worth the cost.
Based on stories, his play has been slipping the last few years (From PFF - Mankins allowed the 2nd most sacks among all NFL guards in 2013).
Mankins still has another year of quality play in him but his top tier grade is no longer here. Pats move him for a pick that they can use to maneuver over the course of draft weekend and a role player that is better than what they have now. The Pats OL depth has been better in recent years, thus losing Mankins won't affect them much.
I looked at their depth chart and I don't see any obvious replacement Â
They have liked Stork out of Florida State so far. And Chris Barker may get a shot at competing for the spot as well. Fleming and Cannon are tackles on the depth chart, but could see them at G consider their abilities.
act as if Incognito is the 2nd coming of Larry Allen ...he isn't.And there is no way I and hopefully the team would want the headache of having BOTH Incognito and John Jerry in the same locker room...it would be a unnecessary circus.
Just a thought. They may think that Boone at 6 million plus 4 million dead for Mankins is better than Mankins at 10 million?
Give SF a fourth round pick?
Ends up Boone and Wright for Mankins.
Unlikely. Other than the elite-level of play Mankins gave, Belichick has had a long history of paying little to no cost for guards.
His philosophy on this is written in a David Halberstam book I still have at home called "Education of a Coach."
In essence he said the interior position of an offensive line can be coached up rather than allocating a high amount of resources to it. The players he signed over the last 10 years to play that spot have mostly been players undrafted or off the street.
Joe Andruzzi, Stephen Neal, Dan Koppen, Dan Connolly and Ryan Wendell have been the main interior line players on the over the last 10 years going back to when they won their last Super Bowl in '04 to their most recent SB appearance two years ago. 4 of them were never drafted and Koppen was taken in the 5th round.
but this wasn't the move. If they're willing to part with a pick, and I hope they arent, then the target has to be Boone who probably still has a good 4-5 years left in him.
And honestly, with as bad as thngs are looking, I'd let Incognito try to rehab his image here. It's a little bit like lifeboat ethics. Only this lifeboat has a hole and Incognito can help plug it.
Mankins still has another year of quality play in him but his top tier grade is no longer here. Pats move him for a pick that they can use to maneuver over the course of draft weekend and a role player that is better than what they have now. The Pats OL depth has been better in recent years, thus losing Mankins won't affect them much.
I know people tend to love the Pats' personnel moves, but considering the number of picks they've had over the years they really don't draft that well. They have devoted comparably few draft picks to finding quality wideouts despite relatively quick impact from the position for rookies and a limited number of good years left for Brady. And considering what they paid Amendola to be a perennial fixture on the injury report I don't buy that they don't value the position highly either.
Neal and Mankins were their guards for almost 10 years.
Before Mankins was Damien Woody also a first rounder.
After Neal they signed veteran Pro-bowler Brian Waters.
Neal and Andruzzi were not drafted, but it doesn't mean they don't invest in the line.
Waters was signed at 34 (who does that anymore?) at a low cost and provided well beyond solid production the year they went to the Super Bowl. Absolute steal. Big money was not allocated to him.
Belichick wasn't in the organization when Woody was drafted.
Mankins was the only high round pick at the interior position Belichick has ever drafted since he's been the Patriots coach. He was well worth it as he was a no doubt top player and compensated well for it (some may say overpaid).
I know people tend to love the Pats' personnel moves, but considering the number of picks they've had over the years they really don't draft that well. They have devoted comparably few draft picks to finding quality wideouts despite relatively quick impact from the position for rookies and a limited number of good years left for Brady. And considering what they paid Amendola to be a perennial fixture on the injury report I don't buy that they don't value the position highly either.
No NFL team is consistently good at drafting. During the summer, a poster broke down the consistent winning teams and their draft history. Even then, a correlation could not be found.
In a 10 year span, no team goes 10 for 10 or even 7 for 10. If you have 5 good draft classes, that would have to be considered great and/or lucky. And that doesn't even factor in undrafted players who turn out to be meaningful contributors, but do not count as part of a draft class.
There isn't a formula for success on it. Some teams get bad luck while others are able to hit on a number of late rounders. Believe me, if someone could crack the code on hitting in the draft, an NFL would pay a kings ransom for that information.
that Mankins play has dropped off the last 2 years......at 32-33, he is not the player he once was.....no one is saying anything, but did they ask Logan to take a paycut from his 6.25M salary? Also, Bill has a history of getting "even" with players who hold out on contracts with him.....
Mankins was asked to re-work his deal and give $$$ back, he said no, he was no longer of use to Belechick. Not everyone is Tom Brady, with regard to signing for less, to benefit the team.
because he's got more baggage than a united air terminal.
belichick is collecting every rutgers player in the league.
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incognito. cheap and quick fix for schwartz.
because he's got more baggage than a united air terminal.
maybe you're right, but if he can play better than who we have on the roster (which isn't saying much) then I think you take the baggage with him. he's probably the best option without making a trade.
Anyway Reese pulls trigger on Boone trade?
fake tweet?
Wright had 54 catches last year for over 10 yards a catch. And 5 TDs.
The Giants don't have a receiving threat at TE as good as Wright. As a converted WR his blocking is nothing to write home about.
Still, given the offense that the New England Scarlet Knights run, he's a good addition for them.
The Patriots needed a TE, they had assets they could move
fake tweet?
A week later Smith was quoted as saying that Wright had gotten the message and was playing quite well.
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Wright is terrible and was on the bubble to be cut.
fake tweet?
Wright had 54 catches last year for over 10 yards a catch. And 5 TDs.
Myers had 47 catches for over 11 yards a catch and 4 TD's, what did you think of him?
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Wright is terrible and was on the bubble to be cut.
fake tweet?
A week later Smith was quoted as saying that Wright had gotten the message and was playing quite well.
that makes sense. I know I read it maybe after PS game 1.
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Wright is terrible and was on the bubble to be cut.
fake tweet?
Wright had 54 catches last year for over 10 yards a catch. And 5 TDs.
Myers had 47 catches for over 11 yards a catch and 4 TD's, what did you think of him?
Not the issue. Would the Giants have cut him?
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In comment 11826173 pjcas18 said:
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Wright is terrible and was on the bubble to be cut.
fake tweet?
Wright had 54 catches last year for over 10 yards a catch. And 5 TDs.
Myers had 47 catches for over 11 yards a catch and 4 TD's, what did you think of him?
Not the issue. Would the Giants have cut him?
My point was - and someone quoted it, the Bucs were not happy with his performance in camp and he was rumored to be on the bubble. The quote is above where it says Wright got the message from Smith and had been playing better.
and the Giants did cut Myers with similar stats.
And they probably would keep him now if he were on the team.
@greggrosenthal: Tim Wright is a relatively small part of deal. Was close roster to bubble in Tampa. It’s about Mankins, draft pick.
@Jason_OTC: Logan Mankins will carry a $4.25 million cap charge for NE in 2014 and another $4 million in 2015
@ArmandoSalguero: Jeff Ireland told me two years ago he called Pats about Logan Mankins. Obviously the Pats were not going to send him within the division.
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Has Schiano whispering in his ear.
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And they probably would keep him now if he were on the team.
The Giants voided Myers contract. They cut him.
Truth is, neither player will be missed by the Giants.
So rather than cut him, they were able to find a team to trade for him, take on the money, give them a middle round draft pick and a player back.
Oddly enough, Mankins came up in stories a few months ago about his future (links below).
The takeaway I got from it is that at Mankins at his age (32) and cap number ($10.5 million - 2nd highest on the team), unless he is playing at an elite level, simply is not worth the cost.
Based on stories, his play has been slipping the last few years (From PFF - Mankins allowed the 2nd most sacks among all NFL guards in 2013).
http://overthecap.com/best-worst-contracts-2014-new-england-patriots/
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Give SF a fourth round pick?
Ends up Boone and Wright for Mankins.
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incognito. cheap and quick fix for schwartz.
because he's got more baggage than a united air terminal.
How is he any different than John Jerry? And, I don't think Jerry has ever made the Pro Bowl. Incognito has.
Give SF a fourth round pick?
Ends up Boone and Wright for Mankins.
Unlikely. Other than the elite-level of play Mankins gave, Belichick has had a long history of paying little to no cost for guards.
His philosophy on this is written in a David Halberstam book I still have at home called "Education of a Coach."
In essence he said the interior position of an offensive line can be coached up rather than allocating a high amount of resources to it. The players he signed over the last 10 years to play that spot have mostly been players undrafted or off the street.
Joe Andruzzi, Stephen Neal, Dan Koppen, Dan Connolly and Ryan Wendell have been the main interior line players on the over the last 10 years going back to when they won their last Super Bowl in '04 to their most recent SB appearance two years ago. 4 of them were never drafted and Koppen was taken in the 5th round.
And honestly, with as bad as thngs are looking, I'd let Incognito try to rehab his image here. It's a little bit like lifeboat ethics. Only this lifeboat has a hole and Incognito can help plug it.
Before Mankins was Damien Woody also a first rounder.
After Neal they signed veteran Pro-bowler Brian Waters.
Neal and Andruzzi were not drafted, but it doesn't mean they don't invest in the line.
I know people tend to love the Pats' personnel moves, but considering the number of picks they've had over the years they really don't draft that well. They have devoted comparably few draft picks to finding quality wideouts despite relatively quick impact from the position for rookies and a limited number of good years left for Brady. And considering what they paid Amendola to be a perennial fixture on the injury report I don't buy that they don't value the position highly either.
Before Mankins was Damien Woody also a first rounder.
After Neal they signed veteran Pro-bowler Brian Waters.
Neal and Andruzzi were not drafted, but it doesn't mean they don't invest in the line.
Waters was signed at 34 (who does that anymore?) at a low cost and provided well beyond solid production the year they went to the Super Bowl. Absolute steal. Big money was not allocated to him.
Belichick wasn't in the organization when Woody was drafted.
Mankins was the only high round pick at the interior position Belichick has ever drafted since he's been the Patriots coach. He was well worth it as he was a no doubt top player and compensated well for it (some may say overpaid).
No NFL team is consistently good at drafting. During the summer, a poster broke down the consistent winning teams and their draft history. Even then, a correlation could not be found.
In a 10 year span, no team goes 10 for 10 or even 7 for 10. If you have 5 good draft classes, that would have to be considered great and/or lucky. And that doesn't even factor in undrafted players who turn out to be meaningful contributors, but do not count as part of a draft class.
There isn't a formula for success on it. Some teams get bad luck while others are able to hit on a number of late rounders. Believe me, if someone could crack the code on hitting in the draft, an NFL would pay a kings ransom for that information.