These guys have been the three main quarterbacks in the recent history of the NFC East. The Redskins don't count in here. This is a pivotal year for Eli. Depending on what happens in '14, this could be his last season with the Giants. First some data: Romo D.O.B. 4-21-80. 64.6% 29,565. 208 TD 101 Interceptions.95.8 rating. Playoff record: 1-3 Eli:D.O.B. 1-31-81. 58.5% 35,345. 229-171. 81.2 rating. Playoff record 8-~3, 2 Super Bowl wins 2 Super Bowl MVP Awards. McNabb D.O.B. 11-25-76. 59% 37,276 234-117. 85.6 rating. Playoff record: 9-6. 1 Super Bowl appearance. L.
Tony Romo received last season a contract from Jerrah that calls for 55 million in guaranteed money. The Giants have not done anything with Eli's contract, which means he is basically up on the high wire without a net this season. Romo is comfortably ensconced in the Coryell vertical that the Cowboys have run since the days of Troy Aikman. Zampese was a disciple of Coryell. He taught the Turner brothers, who, in turn, broke in Garrett. Jones, despite his failures as a general manager, did provide Tony with 2 number one picks on the o-line, as well as an arsenal of receiving talent. Murray is a good back, albeit jnjury-prone, so far in his career. Where Jones has flopped is with his defense. Ratleff & Ware got old. Lee is great but cannot stay healthy. He plain missed on his high-priced corners, neglected safeties and mis-fired on Carter.
But let's stay with Romo and the offense, here. Myth# 1: Completion % & QB rating both go down in the Coryell. Answer: pure bullshit. Tony's numbers clearly surpass Don, who played in a WCO his entire career with Eagles and then during his forgettable mop-up years with the Redskins & Vikings.
McNabb had his last good season when he was 33, Eli's playing age this year. The Eagles, who are very good at this type of thing, got rid of him at exactly the right time.
Now onto Eli. There's no way he's getting 55M guaranteed from Mara this coming off-season. He has to learn a new offense, with a questionable offensive line and only one proven receiver . And, unlike the other two guys mentioned in this thread, Eli can't buy time to extend a play.
Everybody that follows the Giants just presumes that he will age like Y.A. & Phil did. Simms was 35 years old in '90. He teed it up for Hoss that year. Additionally he was 38 when he ran Reeves' offense to near-perfection in '93, at least until Sherrard went down with his jnjury.
But guys age differently. From what I see, Eli can't drive the long out anymore. Quite a few of his passes wobble or hang. Maybe it will change. I hope so. He is one of my all-time favorite Giants. I am indebted to him for the rest of my life. However, change is inevitable and sports is always for a comparitively short time. If this doesn't go well this year, Tom Coughlin will be coaching his last season. Like Gilbride he will pay for the shortcomings of others. He will make it a retirement out of respect for the team he has come to love. And he will pay whomever will become the new HC the professional courtesy of having Nassib on tape for a month of games, to see what this young quarterback, whose talents are suited to a WCO, can do. This is going to be an eventful season.
Eli is an iron man and he's playing till 50.
don't question this.
If you put a Ferrari engine in a broken down car you won't win any races. You might not even get around the track.
As for Eli, I've never accurately forecasted a year of his career, so I'll just sit back and watch. He could be done, or he could be coming down the Canyon of Heroes once more before he's done.
When Phil was let go, it was pretty traumatic for those of us who grew up with him.
For better or worse, Eli did his job. He was drafted to win a Super Bowl. He's won two. I hope he has one more run in him - for both him and Tom. But that's probably wishful thinking.
Regardless, he will go down in team history as one of the very best, if not the best, quarterbacks to ever play for the Giants.
For what its worth (zero), I think Eli will be be a lot better this year and play for another 5 seasons.
Anyway, even if Eli never wins another game, he'll always be better than McNabb.
It may get better as the year goes and they learn the D but if you are a Gm with a less than nimble QB and you try and short change the OL you are failing at your job.
Eli as most honest people will admit was shit last year. Bad decisions and less than stellar throws are reSonfor concern but the WRs took a huge step back last year. The OL was arguably one of the worst in the NFL and the RBs were a mess.
Eli at his best is a good clutch QB bit he's not the type of guy who can play with just about zero support. There are only a few in history. That two or three of them are playing now shouldn't confuse people but it seems too.
Put Eli on A team loaded at WR at Cinncinat or Atlanta and I wonder how he does
Matt Ryan a true darling of the media certainly didn't won much when his Offense collapsed. Shit I guess if Atlanta fails to win this year again Ryan should be on the hot seat right?
Eli isn't that diminished physically but the but the offensive level is almost a total Unknown after 4 games. Besides Cruz and Eli there may not be another player on the offense that is even close to pro bowl level. The OL is a mess right now and there are question marks at almost evey position outside of Eli, Cruz and Pugh. Gee I wonder that then offense doesn't stellar.
Eli should be expected to be much better. The dumb ass throws have to stop. To turn around the not so lamentably lost Hakeem said,that he can't throw it to himself or block for that matter either. Both kind of important
I don't think Eli is a WCO qb.. at all ... but would love to see him prove me wrong.
I also have fear that Eli has simply taken too much of a beating and he is now "skittish". the guy warrior-ed through some shit OL play for 2 seasons or more now , super bowl run semi included the beating he took in SF in the championship gamr would have folded Brady and others..
That said.. I do agree that at this time the reality is 2015 may be the year without Eli.. however I do not think TC is going anywhere .nor should he.
Reese put us here not TC
I think the lack of respect given him has a lot to do with just not looking and sounding like a crack quarterback. More so in the past than now. When interviewed he still sounds pretty wimpy and keeps tripping over his tongue.
This is ironic considering that he has started 151 consecutive games and he takes the most vicious hits and just gets back up and goes back to the huddle. He was seriously abused by the 49ers in the NFC title game, but on 3rd and 15 from about the 49er 17 yard line, with probably 95% of the people watching the game expecting him to throw up a back foot wounded duck if he got a pass off at all, he rifles the ball to Manningham in the end zone.
That's what Romo has never been able to do and it makes Eli fun to root for. I hope the team doesn't go into battle with the O-Tackles on the roster now. They need protection against Beatty sucking again. Surely Reese can pick up a veteran tackle of at least average ability as insurance.
Eli has shown that he can play with an average line, but he can't play with an awful line.
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Just awful
I believe his OL and the new offense will, in time, give him more time to make his throws. The last two years, he didn't have enough time to "drive the short out" much less the long..
The only way Eli doesn't play into his 40s (assuming he wants to) is if he takes the beatings he's taken the last few years. In that case, I give him 3 more years, tops.. This from a former Eli hater(until the 2007 Pat's finale) who was praying he'd go elsewhere
Tom, understood. However, those two guys gave/give me the most Angst of any other QB in this millenium that we saw on a regular basis..The day Romo retires(on his own, not through injury), will be a source for celebration for this fan
Eli's been wobbling and hanging his passes at various times since year one. It happens due to poor mechanics from throwing off his back foot or without setting his feet because of pressure in his face from being uncomfortable with the protection.
Are he and Rosmarie real people? I hear echoes of voices I've heard here often in the past. . . lame voices. . .
My thought is more of why doesn't every Giants fan give Eli more respect for all he has done,and confidence that he has it in him to do it again if the pieces are in place around him.
If Eli looks skittish,it is for good reason,the OL needs to come together so he can have confidence that he is not going to be killed every other play.When that happens we will see Eli looking like an elite QB again.
i'd also like to see some stronger starts from him...too often the first series or two are three and out and then he catches on fire once he's had time to study what the defense is doing and adapt; would like to see more intensity and focus from the get go.
I'm slightly nervous about his adjustment to an offense that is near the polar opposite of what he's been running for a decade, and adding to that nervousness is his supporting cast. I'm also excited about this change because I've been wanting to see him in a new system for awhile now, just to see what the differences are.
I think if this is Eli's last year here as some belive, it won't be the last of his career. I believe he'll go on to another team if we're stupid enough to let him walk and light it up somewhere else. Making a lot of people look stupid on this board, although they will then flip flop and blame Reese for letting him walk, never admitting that they were leading the charge. That's what I think would happen.
My personal opinion is, REGARDLESS of what type of year he has this year, Eli will be re-upped much to the chagrin of many on here, and will retire a Giant when he is ready. He's not going anywhere, period.
I've loved watching Eli play these last ten years - who among us hasn't? - but the NFL is a win-now league, and (as we saw with the Colts a couple of years ago) even QBs named Manning can be let go if a team believes they don't fit into its plans.
The "Eli Isn't Going Anywhere" chorus can and will continue. But history shows that it's off-key.
Bad analogy.
Why was Eli terrible in 2012? He was 50 yards short of throwing for 4000 yards, threw 26 TD passes against 15 picks.
If you believe in QBR, he had his highest career number in 2012.
I've loved watching Eli play these last ten years - who among us hasn't? - but the NFL is a win-now league, and (as we saw with the Colts a couple of years ago) even QBs named Manning can be let go if a team believes they don't fit into its plans.
The "Eli Isn't Going Anywhere" chorus can and will continue. But history shows that it's off-key.
Little to do with make or break year. More to do with the non-urgency to sign him now..Eli's not going anywhere, nor will the Giants let him go..If it wasn't for his shoulder, Phil Simms might have retired a Giant, notwithstanding George Young..
Travis frederick, tyron smith, Zach martin? are you kidding me? all first round picks. Reese never learned to protect his investment. he is half right though. Football is won and lost on one thing alone. who ever has the clean qb, wins. Reese was loading up on DEs in the beginning which is smart. but didnt do enough to ensure eli would be protected. Dirty eli = bad season. Clean eli = superbowl champs.
Even if he does play well we can see the progress of Nassib and still let Eli go, and start Nassib, assuming he gets better each year.
Eli needs a good OLine, and he needs a good running game, so that he can do what he does do best, and that is play action pass. He needs good recievers, but Reese has tried his best to give him great recievers and has failed at that also, he did not need great recievers, but what he did ned is a good tight end, and guess what, reese has provided him with nothing in this area, and when he at least had a guy that could do the job, he failed to resign him and he not plays for the Bears.
Reese has won 2 Superbowls, and it is tough to give him a lot of shit, but remember this, it was EA who built that good Oline, Reese inherited a very good situation when he got here. he had a great start with his first draft, but let us never forget, it was EA who brought in Eli and Snee, and added Plax, Pierce, and McKenzie in free agency his last season. That laid the foundation for this team. Reese did well his first draft, and we all hope he has done well these last two drafts, he has had some bad luck also, but he has also had some horrible drafts and a very poor plan, when you simply can not see just what the plan is, it is a bad plan.
It wasn't EA who built the OL by himself, Reese was the Director of College Scouting at that time. There is a reason why he was promoted to that position and kicked ass. EA signed a lot of good FAs, which was possible because we didn't have a first round pick. Reese is the one who hit the homeruns in the drafts with Webster, Tuck, and Jacobs and then all by himself in 2007, when he was GM AND Director of College Scouting.
Our horrible drafts have come when Reese hired Ross as Director of College scouting. Since then, Ross has been promoted, which I am not sure why. Our drafts haven't been good.
Reese has won 2 Superbowls, and it is tough to give him a lot of shit, but remember this, it was EA who built that good Oline, Reese inherited a very good situation when he got here.
Just a few points. I wasn't aware of the fact that Shaun O'Hara and Rich Seubert have two rings. I could have sworn that Booth and Baas were starting in that second Superbowl. And I also could have sworn as director of player personnel, Reese has something to do with building that team EA left him. Silly me
Eli was also bad in 2006 and 2007. But the SB win masked a bad season. He led the league in interceptions in 07. During those years Eli wasn't even asked to throw as much but still had issues. Running game was great, the OL was supposedly great but there were still issues. Eli's decision making particularly early in games has always been a head scratcher. Eli best performance has always been in the 2 min drill and late game action.
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prove himself all over again. The unfortunate thing is Eli doesn't have a very good offense around him. There are some if's here, if they can have success running ball that will take some pressure off, if the defense doesn't put Eli in the position of having to throw on every down because they are so far behind he could have success.
Eli was also bad in 2006 and 2007. But the SB win masked a bad season. He led the league in interceptions in 07. During those years Eli wasn't even asked to throw as much but still had issues. Running game was great, the OL was supposedly great but there were still issues. Eli's decision making particularly early in games has always been a head scratcher. Eli best performance has always been in the 2 min drill and late game action.
Uh, wrong. Eli was 6th in the league in passing attemps in 2006 (522 attempts), and 7th in 2007 (529).
If he could give up 4-5M per year, we could probably get at least one more solid Oline guy. I know Brady did something like this so it's not as crazy of an idea as some might think.
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His poor play was due to the Oline, too complex routes for the WRs, and finally, poor decision making.
That being said, I didn't see him lose a damn thing physically. I didn't see him unable to throw a long ball or a deep out or any throw. What I saw was him never have enough time to get the ball down the field and the few times he did have the time, he was either expecting a hit or the WR's fucked it up.
There are a variety of factors that go into that, of course. He looked fine otherwise.
excellent point.
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Even if he does play well we can see the progress of Nassib and still let Eli go, and start Nassib, assuming he gets better each year.
One of the failures of the last 4-5 years is that we ahve always been a year late to adjust. Eli was being baited into throwing interceptions before 2013. Eli was struggling before 2013. The offensive line was a ragtag group of patchwork even in 2011. Diehl was playing out of position by 2012.
We waited until we were 0-6 or whatever to trade for Beason, when we never addressed the issue for YEARs, just like the Oline. The warning signs of Nicks not having a great season were there in 2012. We got Murphy, a bandaid that failed. Defensively we let Webster linger a year too long. By the time he was permanently injured we had no one to replace him because our motto with these guys is "till the wheels fall off"
With Eli, we can't afford to wait around just like we always have. Waiting has proven to never work for this team.
Please call me out if I bother debating this at all until well into the season, if that..
Eli over and out..:)
One of the failures of the last 4-5 years is that we ahve always been a year late to adjust. Eli was being baited into throwing interceptions before 2013. Eli was struggling before 2013. The offensive line was a ragtag group of patchwork even in 2011. Diehl was playing out of position by 2012.
We waited until we were 0-6 or whatever to trade for Beason, when we never addressed the issue for YEARs, just like the Oline. The warning signs of Nicks not having a great season were there in 2012. We got Murphy, a bandaid that failed. Defensively we let Webster linger a year too long. By the time he was permanently injured we had no one to replace him because our motto with these guys is "till the wheels fall off"
With Eli, we can't afford to wait around just like we always have. Waiting has proven to never work for this team.
Well let's see how he is in a new system. In past years, it was the same damn system. Let's see how things go this year. I wanted a new system for the longest time. I want to see how Eli and a new system benefits him.
That's the one thing I am waiting to see.