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bxgiants4 : 8/27/2014 8:23 am
Upfront. The offense line may be the worst in the NFL. Watching manning run for his life on every pass play this preseason is brutal.

The defensive line is average at best. Regardless of how good our secondary is they can't cover guys for 7-10 seconds every pass

6-10 with 7-9 a close second.

Truth hurts.
I'm thinking  
DG : 8/27/2014 8:25 am : link
5-11 actually :(
Very generous  
CruzShip52 : 8/27/2014 8:33 am : link
I was thinking 2-14
PREseason  
CruzShip52 : 8/27/2014 8:34 am : link
PREseason, you guys dont understand the definition of PREseason? it means NOTHING.....if this is the same giants team in wk 8 then you can post this, but not now
I'm thinking  
vince : 8/27/2014 8:35 am : link
some fans should drink the Kool aid for breakfast.

Gentlemen it's a work in progress or is that too hard to understand?????
Has there ever been....  
Wonderphil11 : 8/27/2014 8:50 am : link
a team that has changed their OC, their entire offensive philosophy/system, their RB coach, their QB coach, their running backs and their entire Oline in one off season? Can anyone think of an example besides an expansion team? I can't off hand and I'm sure I'm missing some other new parts to the offense...

If you can think of one, please feel free to post here...oh, and said team should have a QB that's been playing in one system for 10 yrs...a completely different system.

Please also let me know how sharp that team looked out of the gate....thanks.
I'm thinking none of you know WTF you're talking about.  
x meadowlander : 8/27/2014 8:50 am : link
Brand new line, brand new offense, by Thanksgiving everything you know about this team will change, just as it does EVERY season. 5-11? 11-5? Who the hell knows? Last year, we had Gilbride talking about "the most potent offense in all my years here", and BBI drooling over guaranteed playoffs. Conversely, NOBODY saw 2007 and 2011 coming.

Just give it a rest already.
Last year we all said ''it's only preseason''  
SB : 8/27/2014 8:53 am : link
...how'd that turn out? Going into this preseason, the key to a good season was an improved OL and a return to form for JPP. Well, the line has been horrible and JPP looks average at best. I think 6-10 with possibility of 8-8.
SB  
Wonderphil11 : 8/27/2014 8:58 am : link
I agree that last years pre-season certainly foreshadowed the regular season nightmare to come....and, if this team were anything remotely like last years team I might agree with you. If you can't see the difference, I really don't know what to say to you. Anyone who didn't expect what we're seeing right now was fooling themselves IMO.....waaaaay too much change.
Kirwan has the Giants at 8-8  
Defenderdawg : 8/27/2014 9:01 am : link
While I am concerned as well, I would suggest:

Read the internet or some of the newspapers from around the league, the issues you cite with the Giants are not limited to the Giants.
DD,  
BrettNYG10 : 8/27/2014 9:05 am : link
That's a good point. I consider us a very flawed football team, but the league is filled with teams with massive holes.
RE: DD,  
AcidTest : 8/27/2014 9:08 am : link
In comment 11827141 BrettNYG10 said:
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That's a good point. I consider us a very flawed football team, but the league is filled with teams with massive holes.


Agreed. But this team goes as far as the OL IMO. I still think it's more of a chemistry than lack of talent problem. Not that the OL is supremely talented, but just that they will play more cohesively as the season progresses. Of course by that time, Eli might be in the hospital.
Hopefully  
Curtis in VA : 8/27/2014 9:14 am : link
the Giants will face a ton of backup QB's again.
Preseason is solely about talent  
Joe in Knoxville : 8/27/2014 9:15 am : link
Once the season starts it's about coaching and game plans

We have one of the best head coaches in football we will be close to 500 just because of that
For years we have been a force because we won in the  
kmed : 8/27/2014 9:18 am : link
trenches. Last year we saw us get absolutely dominated in the trenches pretty much every game. Sad state of affairs what has happened.

That being said, I'm not ready to say that will be the case this season. I have seen nothing that tells me it won't, but it's still preseason. I say lets hold off on evaluating the lines at this point because there could be a lot of reasons they haven't looked so hot. I'll give them 1, maybe 2 games into the regular season before I evaluate how they are going to be this season.
how does the truth hurt  
UConn4523 : 8/27/2014 9:19 am : link
when the entire league is 0-0 right now?

Absolutely hate threads like these. They are started for no other reason to get people riled up.

I have no idea how this team will finish up, that's the whole point of watching the damn games.
10-6  
Randy in CT : 8/27/2014 9:19 am : link
NFC East Champs and then we'll see what happens.
Sad Fluffy...  
Chris in Philly : 8/27/2014 9:20 am : link
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The Giants have problems...  
okiegiant : 8/27/2014 9:32 am : link
and so does the rest of the league.

You need to focus on the big picture and just let things play out. The Giants may suck but they may be good.

You have a very finite number of Giants games left to enjoy. Relax and enjoy the ride!
I predict 19-0.  
x meadowlander : 8/27/2014 9:56 am : link
PLUS they win the preseason finale. They completely run the table, Eli wins League and Super Bowl MVP and half the fans in the NFL commit suicide over it, including ALL of the Eagle and Jet fans.

My prediction is every bit as accurate as all of yours. :)

A work in progress is a work in progress  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 8/27/2014 9:58 am : link
To judge the results prematurely could be jumping to a false conclusion.
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arcarsenal : 8/27/2014 10:02 am : link
I think our OL has problems.. but I don't understand statements like "it may be the worst in the NFL"

How much of other teams lines have you actually watched or paid this close attention to in order to even make that comparison?
I'm worried about the offensive line.  
Britt in VA : 8/27/2014 10:03 am : link
It's going to take time to gel and get it together.

I hope they can stay afloat during the early part of the season enough to allow us to be competitive in the second half of the season.
actually watched JETS game  
Simms11 : 8/27/2014 10:03 am : link
last night again and some some very effective I line blocking, at times. It'a far from a consistent product so far, but it looks to me like building blocks are in place.I also noticed a fairly effective Herman, Gaines and Reynolds, albeit against 2, 3rd and 4th stringers, but point is foundation is there IMO. No team has Allstars at all positions on the team. It's all a work in progress.
RE: actually watched JETS game  
HomerJones45 : 8/27/2014 10:26 am : link
In comment 11827288 Simms11 said:
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last night again and some some very effective I line blocking, at times. It'a far from a consistent product so far, but it looks to me like building blocks are in place.I also noticed a fairly effective Herman, Gaines and Reynolds, albeit against 2, 3rd and 4th stringers, but point is foundation is there IMO. No team has Allstars at all positions on the team. It's all a work in progress.
Exactly. The o-line has been a BBI meme.
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arcarsenal : 8/27/2014 10:38 am : link
A BBI meme?

It was awful last year and hasn't looked a whole lot better so far this summer. Of course it's a work in progress, of course it can gel and get better. But Eli was pressured on about 75% of his dropbacks against the Jets. There were a lot of blown assignments and poor protections. To act like it's just not at all an issue is a bit naive.
If you've watched the Oline  
kmed : 8/27/2014 10:45 am : link
last year and so far in this preaseason and come away thinking that people on bbi are overreacting or overstating how bad they've been, you are nuts. Every single dropback last year resulted in some kind of pressure from somewhere. There was maybe 1 guy that you can count on to block his man the majority of the time.
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Mike in Long Beach : 8/27/2014 10:45 am : link
RE: If you've watched the Oline  
Mike in Long Beach : 8/27/2014 10:46 am : link
In comment 11827362 kmed said:
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last year and so far in this preaseason and come away thinking that people on bbi are overreacting or overstating how bad they've been, you are nuts. Every single dropback last year resulted in some kind of pressure from somewhere. There was maybe 1 guy that you can count on to block his man the majority of the time.


Last year you have a point. This year, we knew months ago that preseason would be a "gelling period" for a brand spanking new unit. I was actually very impressed with the run blocking in the Jets game, and while the pass blocking wasn't good, it's crazy for us to expect it to be as the unit has not worked together very much yet.

Even with that caveat, it's pretty evident there was a dramatic improvement from the Colts game.
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arcarsenal : 8/27/2014 10:55 am : link
I think "dramatic improvement" is a pretty big stretch. I don't think I even need a full hand to count how many times Eli had a clean pocket in the last game. There were still plenty of problems.

I'm glad we put together a decent looking drive at the end of the half, but.. the line is certainly still a pretty big concern.
Not having Beckham  
jLefty : 8/27/2014 10:56 am : link
for some or all the time is ominous. Yes the o-line maybe stinks, but maybe Corey Washington is for real. Anyway,6-10.
The fact that Jim Cordle and Dave Diehl aren't starting on this line  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/27/2014 11:07 am : link
makes it better than last year.

They have capable talent. They just need to learn to function as a unit.

Last year they were getting blown off the ball and physically overwhelmed on runs and passes. That's not the problem that I've seen this preseason.
what the fuck are you talking about?  
mattlawson : 8/27/2014 11:41 am : link
the worst OL in the league? PLEASE
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