I had this discussion with non Giant fans recently and Eli's name came up a few times but the overall consensus was that Joe Namath was the worst QB to win a Super Bowl.
Brad Johnson was a damn fine QB for many years. That Tampa team was led by defense but he is not anywhere close to the "worst qb tow in a Super Bowl." There's Dilfer, there's Plunkett who won two after a quite pedestrian career, there's Williams who was also merely average, and there's McMahon, another good QB who won with an all run/all defense team. Johnson does not crack the top 5.
you can't compare stats of qb's from different eras who played under different, and much less favorable to the passing game, rules and were responsible for calling their own plays. Back then, you could construct a team with a dominant running game and defense and keep the passing game under raps unless it was needed. Griese and Dawson both led teams like that.
When you read that Bob Griese was "pedestrian", the thread is over.
I can't believe that there are people on earth who don't think Bradshaw was a great qb. Guy had a rifle for an arm and could run like a deer. Unfortunately, people take his buffoon character literally.
here is the list of all the Super Bowl winning QBs
Super Bowl 1. Bart Starr (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson, 2TDs Link - ( New Window )
is because of his success at a very pivotal moment in the history of the league
One should not be in the HOF for one game or a couple of seasons ... especially if he was merely average in that one game - just didn't screw up (hmmm Trent Dilfer anyone ??)
Namath had barely 50 % completions ... many more Int's than TDs ... and a career record of below 0.500 won/loss record ...
He had Bachelor's 3 and a way with ladies - definitely HOF credentials ...
He was BRUTAL..Could very well have been the worst performance ever by a "winning" QB
It was.
Btw, it always seems like the consensus is that Trent Dilfer was the worst quarterback to win a SB, and he is often the reference point non-Giants fans always point to when there is any attempt to give Eli credit for the 2 SB wins. But I never felt like Dilfer was that bad.
As a matter of fact he was a pretty decent QB (I think he made the Pro-Bowl once) and did what he needed to do to keep the Ravens in a good position to win games. Without that defense and Jamal Lewis they likely don't get very far in the playoffs, but I don't think the Ravens won games "in spite of" Trent Dilfer. He's gotten a bad rap over the years.
I only have 21 to rank because I won't attempt to rank anyone that I didn't watch play. (Plunkett is boarderline, I saw him but it was the end of his career and I more knew of him than really watched him)
This eliminates:
Bart Starr
Joe Namath
Len Dawson
Johnny Unitas
Roger Staubach
Bob Griese
Terry Bradshaw
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
I also won't rank Russell Wilson because it is to early in his career IMO to be fair to him or others on the list.
So of the 21 remaining I would rank them as such:
1 Joe Montana
2 Peyton Manning
3 John Elway
4 Tom Brady
5 Brett Favre
6 Steve Young
7 Kurt Warner
8 Troy Aikman
9 Aaron Rogers
10 Drew Brees
11 Eli Manning
12 Ben Rothlisberger
13 Phil Simms
14 Joe Theismann
15 Joe Flacco
16 Jeff Hostetler
17 Jim McMahon
18 Doug Williams-these three were too hard for me to
18 Brad Johnson--separate so I didn't.
18 Mark Rypien
21 Trent Dilfer
is because of his success at a very pivotal moment in the history of the league
One should not be in the HOF for one game or a couple of seasons ... especially if he was merely average in that one game - just didn't screw up (hmmm Trent Dilfer anyone ??)
Namath had barely 50 % completions ... many more Int's than TDs ... and a career record of below 0.500 won/loss record ...
He had Bachelor's 3 and a way with ladies - definitely HOF credentials ...
You forgot to add that he's a drunk. He's the most over rated QB in the history of the NFL. Just because he "guaranteed" a win and the team did he was put on a pedestal. Since when does having a big mouth get you in Canton?
RE: RE: RE: The only reason why Namath is in the HOF
is because of his success at a very pivotal moment in the history of the league
One should not be in the HOF for one game or a couple of seasons ... especially if he was merely average in that one game - just didn't screw up (hmmm Trent Dilfer anyone ??)
Namath had barely 50 % completions ... many more Int's than TDs ... and a career record of below 0.500 won/loss record ...
He had Bachelor's 3 and a way with ladies - definitely HOF credentials ...
You forgot to add that he's a drunk. He's the most over rated QB in the history of the NFL. Just because he "guaranteed" a win and the team did he was put on a pedestal. Since when does having a big mouth get you in Canton?
Supports the general idea that its extremely difficult to win without an "elite"
Obviously, Dilfer is by far the worst.
Looking at the list, the name that stands out that hasn't been mentioned is Joe Theisman. He had a reputation, but was he really any good? All the others I remember well. But I really don't remember Theisman doing much other than getting LT'd.
He was BRUTAL..Could very well have been the worst performance ever by a "winning" QB
It was.
Btw, it always seems like the consensus is that Trent Dilfer was the worst quarterback to win a SB, and he is often the reference point non-Giants fans always point to when there is any attempt to give Eli credit for the 2 SB wins. But I never felt like Dilfer was that bad.
As a matter of fact he was a pretty decent QB (I think he made the Pro-Bowl once) and did what he needed to do to keep the Ravens in a good position to win games. Without that defense and Jamal Lewis they likely don't get very far in the playoffs, but I don't think the Ravens won games "in spite of" Trent Dilfer. He's gotten a bad rap over the years.
Despite his 1 PB, he was an awful starting QB. His PB season he threw for 2500 yards (well outside the top 10). His 21 TDs was good enough to be tied for 6th in the league that year (with the great Kordell Stewart), but aside from that his stats were utterly unimpressive.
Supports the general idea that its extremely difficult to win without an "elite"
Obviously, Dilfer is by far the worst.
Looking at the list, the name that stands out that hasn't been mentioned is Joe Theisman. He had a reputation, but was he really any good? All the others I remember well. But I really don't remember Theisman doing much other than getting LT'd.
Theisman was a good QB.
Hades: Not bad, but I think Aaron Rodgers should be higher.
There's no sustainable basis for putting Warner ahead of him. I would also put him above Aikman, who was very good but had ridiculous talent around him during the Cowboys' championship years. Rodgers has often carried the Packers, behind a porous line.
By today's standards, Namath shouldn't have made it
into the HOF. But when he was inducted there really wasn't a large sampling of QB's before him that were inducted that would set the standard of what kind of statistics would be sufficient. As far as the other QB's that were playing in his generation, Namath did stand out quite a bit. His timing was good and that's why he made it in.
Conversely, Eli's timing may be very bad depending on when he retires. There's a lot of QB's in his generation that have or will put up big time numbers. Because of that he may end up being squeezed out of the hall of fame unless he has a huge turn around (statistically) in his career.
Supports the general idea that its extremely difficult to win without an "elite"
Obviously, Dilfer is by far the worst.
Looking at the list, the name that stands out that hasn't been mentioned is Joe Theisman. He had a reputation, but was he really any good? All the others I remember well. But I really don't remember Theisman doing much other than getting LT'd.
Only these 11 did it more than once:
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Terry Bradshaw
Bob Griese
Joe Montana
Jim Plunkett
Troy Aikman
John Elway
Tom Brady
Ben Rothlisberger
Eli Manning
Was really awful in the win against Seattle. He did win another one where he was great. But does that awful performance count? Or are we looking at a body of work?
Was really awful in the win against Seattle. He did win another one where he was great. But does that awful performance count? Or are we looking at a body of work?
There's no sustainable basis for putting Warner ahead of him. I would also put him above Aikman, who was very good but had ridiculous talent around him during the Cowboys' championship years. Rodgers has often carried the Packers, behind a porous line.
Funny, I was just looking at my list and thinking the same thing, changing it to Rogers-Warner-Aikman. They were hard for me to separate initially. Making a list like this on such a subjective basis is very hard. The top 4 was also difficult.
OK. Maybe 'Pedestrian' was a poor choice of words for an 8-time Pro Bowler & 2-time First-Team All-Pro.
That said, his numbers were NEVER impressive. He could NOT carry a team on his own, the way that Bradshaw, Stabler, Tarkenton and Staubach could. Hell, even guys like Morton, Fouts and Bert Jones were better at that than Greise. But the Dolphins weren't about the passing game. Greise did the job - support the run game without too many mistakes. But in comparing him to other Super Bowl quarterbacks, he doesn't crack the top 5. And he doesn't rank over Eli.
Career Playoff Record, 6-5. Regular season, 100W, 95L.
Averaged about 2,000 yds per season, completion rate only crossed 60% twice. TD to INT ratio was almost never impressive, (192 TD -172 INT career)
I've been through this repeated on this very board
Yes, playing QB was tougher in Namath's era. Yes, he had some terrible injuries. Yes, he played on some woeful Jets teams. Even accepting all of that, Namath's TD/INT ratio is still awful when compared to his peers. The man threw 47 more interceptions than touchdowns (173/220). Look at some other prominent QBs around his era:
Len Dawson: 239/183
Roman Gabriel: 201/149
Daryle Lamonica: 164/138
Terry Bradshaw: 212/210
Bob Griese: 192/172
Sonny Jurgensen: 255/189
Roger Staubach: 153/109
into the HOF. But when he was inducted there really wasn't a large sampling of QB's before him that were inducted that would set the standard of what kind of statistics would be sufficient. As far as the other QB's that were playing in his generation, Namath did stand out quite a bit. His timing was good and that's why he made it in.
Conversely, Eli's timing may be very bad depending on when he retires. There's a lot of QB's in his generation that have or will put up big time numbers. Because of that he may end up being squeezed out of the hall of fame unless he has a huge turn around (statistically) in his career.
Eli's timing for the HOF looks pretty poor unless he somehow wins a third SB. He would then get in on the first ballot (only Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman and Brady have won 3 or more SBs)
You simply cannot compare passing statistics from the 1960s-70s
to those of today. It's a futile and useless exercise if statistical analysis is the sole basis of comparison between players in such radically different times.
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
RE: You simply cannot compare passing statistics from the 1960s-70s
to those of today. It's a futile and useless exercise if statistical analysis is the sole basis of comparison between players in such radically different times.
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
I compared Namath's stats to his contemporaries, not to QBs of today. The Hall of Fame QBs from his area have TD/INT ratios that blow his out of the water.
his contemporaries..Not even close..With the exception of perhaps Lamonica, it was a much shorter game, with perhaps an airing out a few times a game..Namath's game was at least 12-15 yards downfield..Of course his completion percentage and INTs would be affected
laughable that Eli's name gets brought up. He has had some bad years, but he LED that 2011 team to the SB. That was not a great team. He was great. He was also outstanding in the 2007 playoffs. He is not close to the worst QB to win. People just love to hate him for some reason. I don't get it.
Namath is close. In his super bowl victory the Colts drove into the red zone five times in the first half without scoring a single point. They should have been up 24-0 at half. This is why the 1969 Colts will take that loss to the grave.
Earl Morrall had the worst super bowl ever. Forget Ben.
game. What is rarely, if ever discussed, is what a QB did in the playoffs to get his team there. I can't recall what Dilfer or Johnson did, but in two separate runs to the SB, Eli's performance in sub-zero Lambeau, his courage on a soggy field in SF, and even his win in Dallas are legendary in my opinion. It wasn't just one game, Eli had some massive playoff performances to get us there!
as the clear leader with Hoss second, at least imho. As much as I love what Hostetler did (and he should give a big thanks to OJ Anderson), his career resume is less than that of anyone not named Dilfer on that list.
it is decidedly underrated due to the crazy stats Brees and Rodgers put up but Eli carried that team to a SB as decisively as any QB ever has. Without Eli in 2011 we would have won 4 games max
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
You are going to see more and more of that as time goes on and people forget how much the game has changed. I tend to not praise or dispararage players I have never watched.
RE: Also, Eli's 2011 is one of the greatest QB seasons in history
it is decidedly underrated due to the crazy stats Brees and Rodgers put up but Eli carried that team to a SB as decisively as any QB ever has. Without Eli in 2011 we would have won 4 games max
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
That right there.
Suck on it.
Also, Eli's 2011 is one of the greatest QB seasons in history ....
Been telling my friend this since Giants won that super bowl. He is a diehard Giant fan but thinks Eli is average and overrated.
That 2011 team won the division at 9-7. And I agree with you. With any other QB that team probably wins five games tops. He kept making big plays late in games every week to pull wins out his ass. He easily outplayed all the league's glamor boy QB's in the postseason. And he faced the best the NFL had.
I have been watching since Tarkenton and never saw any Giant QB approach Eli's level of play in 2011.
in Aldephie Stadium, handing them their first ever loss there.
And did it again in the playoffs to end their season.
To label him as the worst ever to win the Super Bowl is completely not understand just how important he was to that team and their championship win.
As demonstrated by them releasing him, replacing him with Elvis Grbac and then proceeded to flounder in mediocrity until Flacco finally grew up and took over.
Anyone who thinks that Joe Namath wasn't great is a complete
When you read that Bob Griese was "pedestrian", the thread is over.
I can't believe that there are people on earth who don't think Bradshaw was a great qb. Guy had a rifle for an arm and could run like a deer. Unfortunately, people take his buffoon character literally.
Super Bowl 2. Bart Starr (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 3. Joe Namath (MVP), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 4. Len Dawson (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 5. John Unitas (Chuck Howley), 1 TD
Super Bowl 6. Roger Staubach (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 7. Bob Griese (Jake Scott), 1 TD
Super Bowl 8. Bob Griese (Larry Csonka), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 9. Terry Bradshaw (Franco Harris), 1 TD
Super Bowl 10. Terry Bradshaw (Lynn Swann), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 11. Ken Stabler (Fred Biletnikoff), 1 TD
Super Bowl 12. Roger Staubach (Harvey Martin & Randy White), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 13. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 14. Terry Bradshaw (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 15. Jim Plunkett (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 16. Joe Montana (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 17. Joe Theismann (John Riggins), 2 TDs,
Super Bowl 18. Jim Plunkett (Marcus Allen), 1 TD
Super Bowl 19. Joe Montana (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 20. Jim McMahon (Richard Dent), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 21. Phil Simms (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 22. Doug Williams (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 23. Joe Montana (Jerry Rice), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 24. Joe Montana (MVP), 5 TDs
Super Bowl 25. Jeff Hostetler (Ottis Anderson), 1 TD
Super Bowl 26. Mark Rypien (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 27. Troy Aikman (MVP), 4 TDs
Super Bowl 28. Troy Aikman (Emmitt Smith), O TDs
Super Bowl 29. Steve Young (MVP), 6 TDs
Super Bowl 30. Troy Aikman (Larry Brown), 1 TD
Super Bowl 31. Brett Favre (Desmond Howard), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rogers (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 46: Eli Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 47: Joe Flacco (MVP), 3TDs
Super Bowl 48: Russell Wilson, 2TDs
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One should not be in the HOF for one game or a couple of seasons ... especially if he was merely average in that one game - just didn't screw up (hmmm Trent Dilfer anyone ??)
Namath had barely 50 % completions ... many more Int's than TDs ... and a career record of below 0.500 won/loss record ...
He had Bachelor's 3 and a way with ladies - definitely HOF credentials ...
Its Trent Dilfer by a very wide margin.
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had the worst game.
He was BRUTAL..Could very well have been the worst performance ever by a "winning" QB
It was.
Btw, it always seems like the consensus is that Trent Dilfer was the worst quarterback to win a SB, and he is often the reference point non-Giants fans always point to when there is any attempt to give Eli credit for the 2 SB wins. But I never felt like Dilfer was that bad.
As a matter of fact he was a pretty decent QB (I think he made the Pro-Bowl once) and did what he needed to do to keep the Ravens in a good position to win games. Without that defense and Jamal Lewis they likely don't get very far in the playoffs, but I don't think the Ravens won games "in spite of" Trent Dilfer. He's gotten a bad rap over the years.
This eliminates:
Bart Starr
Joe Namath
Len Dawson
Johnny Unitas
Roger Staubach
Bob Griese
Terry Bradshaw
Ken Stabler
Jim Plunkett
I also won't rank Russell Wilson because it is to early in his career IMO to be fair to him or others on the list.
So of the 21 remaining I would rank them as such:
1 Joe Montana
2 Peyton Manning
3 John Elway
4 Tom Brady
5 Brett Favre
6 Steve Young
7 Kurt Warner
8 Troy Aikman
9 Aaron Rogers
10 Drew Brees
11 Eli Manning
12 Ben Rothlisberger
13 Phil Simms
14 Joe Theismann
15 Joe Flacco
16 Jeff Hostetler
17 Jim McMahon
18 Doug Williams-these three were too hard for me to
18 Brad Johnson--separate so I didn't.
18 Mark Rypien
21 Trent Dilfer
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is because of his success at a very pivotal moment in the history of the league
One should not be in the HOF for one game or a couple of seasons ... especially if he was merely average in that one game - just didn't screw up (hmmm Trent Dilfer anyone ??)
Namath had barely 50 % completions ... many more Int's than TDs ... and a career record of below 0.500 won/loss record ...
He had Bachelor's 3 and a way with ladies - definitely HOF credentials ...
You forgot to add that he's a drunk. He's the most over rated QB in the history of the NFL. Just because he "guaranteed" a win and the team did he was put on a pedestal. Since when does having a big mouth get you in Canton?
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is because of his success at a very pivotal moment in the history of the league
One should not be in the HOF for one game or a couple of seasons ... especially if he was merely average in that one game - just didn't screw up (hmmm Trent Dilfer anyone ??)
Namath had barely 50 % completions ... many more Int's than TDs ... and a career record of below 0.500 won/loss record ...
He had Bachelor's 3 and a way with ladies - definitely HOF credentials ...
You forgot to add that he's a drunk. He's the most over rated QB in the history of the NFL. Just because he "guaranteed" a win and the team did he was put on a pedestal. Since when does having a big mouth get you in Canton?
Obviously, Dilfer is by far the worst.
Looking at the list, the name that stands out that hasn't been mentioned is Joe Theisman. He had a reputation, but was he really any good? All the others I remember well. But I really don't remember Theisman doing much other than getting LT'd.
At least ben made up for it in his second go with a stellar performance. Peyton not so much...
Id be surprised if either of them ever win one again honestly.
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had the worst game.
He was BRUTAL..Could very well have been the worst performance ever by a "winning" QB
It was.
Btw, it always seems like the consensus is that Trent Dilfer was the worst quarterback to win a SB, and he is often the reference point non-Giants fans always point to when there is any attempt to give Eli credit for the 2 SB wins. But I never felt like Dilfer was that bad.
As a matter of fact he was a pretty decent QB (I think he made the Pro-Bowl once) and did what he needed to do to keep the Ravens in a good position to win games. Without that defense and Jamal Lewis they likely don't get very far in the playoffs, but I don't think the Ravens won games "in spite of" Trent Dilfer. He's gotten a bad rap over the years.
Despite his 1 PB, he was an awful starting QB. His PB season he threw for 2500 yards (well outside the top 10). His 21 TDs was good enough to be tied for 6th in the league that year (with the great Kordell Stewart), but aside from that his stats were utterly unimpressive.
Obviously, Dilfer is by far the worst.
Looking at the list, the name that stands out that hasn't been mentioned is Joe Theisman. He had a reputation, but was he really any good? All the others I remember well. But I really don't remember Theisman doing much other than getting LT'd.
Theisman was a good QB.
Conversely, Eli's timing may be very bad depending on when he retires. There's a lot of QB's in his generation that have or will put up big time numbers. Because of that he may end up being squeezed out of the hall of fame unless he has a huge turn around (statistically) in his career.
Obviously, Dilfer is by far the worst.
Looking at the list, the name that stands out that hasn't been mentioned is Joe Theisman. He had a reputation, but was he really any good? All the others I remember well. But I really don't remember Theisman doing much other than getting LT'd.
Bart Starr
Roger Staubach
Terry Bradshaw
Bob Griese
Joe Montana
Jim Plunkett
Troy Aikman
John Elway
Tom Brady
Ben Rothlisberger
Eli Manning
That said, his numbers were NEVER impressive. He could NOT carry a team on his own, the way that Bradshaw, Stabler, Tarkenton and Staubach could. Hell, even guys like Morton, Fouts and Bert Jones were better at that than Greise. But the Dolphins weren't about the passing game. Greise did the job - support the run game without too many mistakes. But in comparing him to other Super Bowl quarterbacks, he doesn't crack the top 5. And he doesn't rank over Eli.
Career Playoff Record, 6-5. Regular season, 100W, 95L.
Averaged about 2,000 yds per season, completion rate only crossed 60% twice. TD to INT ratio was almost never impressive, (192 TD -172 INT career)
Len Dawson: 239/183
Roman Gabriel: 201/149
Daryle Lamonica: 164/138
Terry Bradshaw: 212/210
Bob Griese: 192/172
Sonny Jurgensen: 255/189
Roger Staubach: 153/109
Conversely, Eli's timing may be very bad depending on when he retires. There's a lot of QB's in his generation that have or will put up big time numbers. Because of that he may end up being squeezed out of the hall of fame unless he has a huge turn around (statistically) in his career.
Eli's timing for the HOF looks pretty poor unless he somehow wins a third SB. He would then get in on the first ballot (only Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman and Brady have won 3 or more SBs)
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
I compared Namath's stats to his contemporaries, not to QBs of today. The Hall of Fame QBs from his area have TD/INT ratios that blow his out of the water.
Earl Morrall had the worst super bowl ever. Forget Ben.
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
As to the OP - worst QB to win the Super Bowl is among Dilfer, Hostetler and probably Doug Williams.
Worst performance by a winning QB in the Super Bowl is Big Ben.
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
That right there.
Suck on it.
That 2011 team won the division at 9-7. And I agree with you. With any other QB that team probably wins five games tops. He kept making big plays late in games every week to pull wins out his ass. He easily outplayed all the league's glamor boy QB's in the postseason. And he faced the best the NFL had.
I have been watching since Tarkenton and never saw any Giant QB approach Eli's level of play in 2011.
And did it again in the playoffs to end their season.
To label him as the worst ever to win the Super Bowl is completely not understand just how important he was to that team and their championship win.
As demonstrated by them releasing him, replacing him with Elvis Grbac and then proceeded to flounder in mediocrity until Flacco finally grew up and took over.