I had this discussion with non Giant fans recently and Eli's name came up a few times but the overall consensus was that Joe Namath was the worst QB to win a Super Bowl.
into the HOF. But when he was inducted there really wasn't a large sampling of QB's before him that were inducted that would set the standard of what kind of statistics would be sufficient. As far as the other QB's that were playing in his generation, Namath did stand out quite a bit. His timing was good and that's why he made it in.
Conversely, Eli's timing may be very bad depending on when he retires. There's a lot of QB's in his generation that have or will put up big time numbers. Because of that he may end up being squeezed out of the hall of fame unless he has a huge turn around (statistically) in his career.
Eli's timing for the HOF looks pretty poor unless he somehow wins a third SB. He would then get in on the first ballot (only Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman and Brady have won 3 or more SBs)
You simply cannot compare passing statistics from the 1960s-70s
to those of today. It's a futile and useless exercise if statistical analysis is the sole basis of comparison between players in such radically different times.
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
RE: You simply cannot compare passing statistics from the 1960s-70s
to those of today. It's a futile and useless exercise if statistical analysis is the sole basis of comparison between players in such radically different times.
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
I compared Namath's stats to his contemporaries, not to QBs of today. The Hall of Fame QBs from his area have TD/INT ratios that blow his out of the water.
his contemporaries..Not even close..With the exception of perhaps Lamonica, it was a much shorter game, with perhaps an airing out a few times a game..Namath's game was at least 12-15 yards downfield..Of course his completion percentage and INTs would be affected
laughable that Eli's name gets brought up. He has had some bad years, but he LED that 2011 team to the SB. That was not a great team. He was great. He was also outstanding in the 2007 playoffs. He is not close to the worst QB to win. People just love to hate him for some reason. I don't get it.
Namath is close. In his super bowl victory the Colts drove into the red zone five times in the first half without scoring a single point. They should have been up 24-0 at half. This is why the 1969 Colts will take that loss to the grave.
Earl Morrall had the worst super bowl ever. Forget Ben.
game. What is rarely, if ever discussed, is what a QB did in the playoffs to get his team there. I can't recall what Dilfer or Johnson did, but in two separate runs to the SB, Eli's performance in sub-zero Lambeau, his courage on a soggy field in SF, and even his win in Dallas are legendary in my opinion. It wasn't just one game, Eli had some massive playoff performances to get us there!
as the clear leader with Hoss second, at least imho. As much as I love what Hostetler did (and he should give a big thanks to OJ Anderson), his career resume is less than that of anyone not named Dilfer on that list.
it is decidedly underrated due to the crazy stats Brees and Rodgers put up but Eli carried that team to a SB as decisively as any QB ever has. Without Eli in 2011 we would have won 4 games max
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
You are going to see more and more of that as time goes on and people forget how much the game has changed. I tend to not praise or dispararage players I have never watched.
RE: Also, Eli's 2011 is one of the greatest QB seasons in history
it is decidedly underrated due to the crazy stats Brees and Rodgers put up but Eli carried that team to a SB as decisively as any QB ever has. Without Eli in 2011 we would have won 4 games max
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
That right there.
Suck on it.
Also, Eli's 2011 is one of the greatest QB seasons in history ....
Been telling my friend this since Giants won that super bowl. He is a diehard Giant fan but thinks Eli is average and overrated.
That 2011 team won the division at 9-7. And I agree with you. With any other QB that team probably wins five games tops. He kept making big plays late in games every week to pull wins out his ass. He easily outplayed all the league's glamor boy QB's in the postseason. And he faced the best the NFL had.
I have been watching since Tarkenton and never saw any Giant QB approach Eli's level of play in 2011.
in Aldephie Stadium, handing them their first ever loss there.
And did it again in the playoffs to end their season.
To label him as the worst ever to win the Super Bowl is completely not understand just how important he was to that team and their championship win.
As demonstrated by them releasing him, replacing him with Elvis Grbac and then proceeded to flounder in mediocrity until Flacco finally grew up and took over.
Anyone who thinks that Joe Namath wasn't great is a complete
Conversely, Eli's timing may be very bad depending on when he retires. There's a lot of QB's in his generation that have or will put up big time numbers. Because of that he may end up being squeezed out of the hall of fame unless he has a huge turn around (statistically) in his career.
Eli's timing for the HOF looks pretty poor unless he somehow wins a third SB. He would then get in on the first ballot (only Bradshaw, Montana, Aikman and Brady have won 3 or more SBs)
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
Anyone who watched the games in the era would say that Namath and Griese were among the best quarterbacks in football. A different game is played in 2014 vs. 1969.
I compared Namath's stats to his contemporaries, not to QBs of today. The Hall of Fame QBs from his area have TD/INT ratios that blow his out of the water.
Earl Morrall had the worst super bowl ever. Forget Ben.
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
As to the OP - worst QB to win the Super Bowl is among Dilfer, Hostetler and probably Doug Williams.
Worst performance by a winning QB in the Super Bowl is Big Ben.
Almost 5000 yards, 29 TD, 16 INT, 7 4th quarter comebacks, 8 game winning drives in the regular season.
65% completions in that playoff run, 1219 yards, 8 TDs, 1 INT
That right there.
Suck on it.
That 2011 team won the division at 9-7. And I agree with you. With any other QB that team probably wins five games tops. He kept making big plays late in games every week to pull wins out his ass. He easily outplayed all the league's glamor boy QB's in the postseason. And he faced the best the NFL had.
I have been watching since Tarkenton and never saw any Giant QB approach Eli's level of play in 2011.
And did it again in the playoffs to end their season.
To label him as the worst ever to win the Super Bowl is completely not understand just how important he was to that team and their championship win.
As demonstrated by them releasing him, replacing him with Elvis Grbac and then proceeded to flounder in mediocrity until Flacco finally grew up and took over.