He's a good player...maybe a potential pro-bowler. Has been part of one of the best O lines in football , no doubt. And he's only 27.
downside...he's currently "holding out" even though he's under contract. He's been arrested twice in the last 7 years....for DUI and misconduct. He has never made a probowl...and has only started 32 games in the NFL.
Logan Mankins, who is arguabley one the best Guards in the last 10 years in the NFL was just traded for a 4th rounder and a backup tight-end. Yes I understand he's 32...but he's an immediate difference maker for Tampa's terrible oline.
Why on earth does SF think Boone is worth a 1st rounder?
Furthermore, if they think he's worth it, then why are the only offering a mediocre contract??? And they can afford more? Report today says that he was in fact NOT offere a contract worth being a top 12 Guard.
Baffling to me....
To me, he's worth a 3rd or 4th round pick.....
It's what Boone is doing and what SF is doing in the trade market. You always ask for more than you're willing to settle for with the idea in mind that you'll settle between what you expected and what you asked, which still nets you more than you thought you'd get.
New England valued the cap space and the TE prospect they got more than Mankins.
SF wants Boone back. They don't actually want to trade him, so they set a prohibitive price if someone gets desperate.
How can you ask for a 1st rounder when he hasn't even made a probowl? I can't see how a team would give up a 1st or even 2nd rounder....Christ you risk giving up a Hall of Famer for Alex Boone.
Boone is a younger player, the 49ers have a number of players in their mid to late 20's up for negotiation, why set a bad precedent by giving in and trading Boone quickly? It's not like the 49ers have massive needs outside of backup QB...any draft picks they get are for later...why not let it play out with Boone if you are SF?
He can want to be traded all he wants, but he's under contract.
How can you ask for a 1st rounder when he hasn't even made a probowl? I can't see how a team would give up a 1st or even 2nd rounder....Christ you risk giving up a Hall of Famer for Alex Boone.
The Pro Bowl isn't really a means by which nfl front offices judge talent or production.
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Best post on the thread. No way we could use any of those scrubs.
This reminds me of the Pats trading Deon Branch, the team told his agent he had permission to shop branch and if they get a 1st round pick for him they'd trade him. Branch's agent found the sucker in Seattle and they traded Deon Branch for a 1st round pick.
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what is the status on him now?
Boone. I think we need to trade for him. He'll take a few weeks to get ready...but the Giants need him. Thoughts?
"True value" is whatever a team is willing to pay. This is SF's way of saying that Boone is not on the block, unless someone is willing to blow them away with an offer.
Think about if someone came up to you and really wanted to buy your house. You have no intention to sell, but what the hell, you offer 150% of it's value. That's what is happening here.
That would piss my off big time, and I am a very patient person. That's pissing away return on our investment in year 1. That would be utter bullshit if that happened.
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That would piss my off big time, and I am a very patient person. That's pissing away return on our investment in year 1. That would be utter bullshit if that happened.
Not to mention it will put way more heat on Eli than is deserved, for a poor performance, in a pivotal year.
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given how frequently these guys re-tweak them
That would piss my off big time, and I am a very patient person. That's pissing away return on our investment in year 1. That would be utter bullshit if that happened.
Me too..Certainly not predicting it, but that's NOT one of my confident Giants' prognostications
SF has the leverage here and he's under contract, ask high, and then negotiate as required. Common sense.
Still, the big extension he wants is the fact that makes a trade less desirable.
1-I expect ODB to be hampered on and off with hammy issues, as Miles Austin and many others are or have been
2-JPP will never come close to 2011 again, at least for us
That's the full extent of my negative OPINIONS to date
Bingo. I was about to post this. The Giants didn't want to trade Osi because his salary was where the Giants were comfortable and he fit their scheme. In order to contemplate trading him, it had to be worth their while, ie- a very steep price, to make it worth it.
Osi asked for a trade. The Giants told him to go ahead and try to find one, but he had to bring back a first rounder. When he couldn't do it, Osi got the message and came back to work (the Giants would end up throwing some extra $$ his way on his last year of his deal anyway).
The Niners are doing this very same thing to Boone. Time is on the Niners' side here. If they are going to deal him, they are going to get maximum value, to the point that other teams likely won't do it and force his hand. You always hear about hold outs, but very few guys are willing to forgo that paycheck when the season starts to force their way on to another team and a new deal.
Did doing so, cause his diminished play, the last two years?
Guess what his "reward" for doing so, was? Ask Malloy, Branch, Seymore, Welker, etc.
As stated, Mankins is on his way down, Boone on his way up....all they got for Mankins is an undrafted TE, and a 4th round pick? What does that say?
Boone,younger, supposedly able to step right in as a starter with some coaching....much higher ceiling....but comes with baggage.....and wants big money...has Reese learned from Snee, Beatty, Baas, Schwartz?
Has he learned that better drafting of OLmen in the 1st and 2nd rounds, is better than signing linemen for big bucks, that hamper your cap?
Has he learned that better drafting of OLmen in the 1st and 2nd rounds, is better than signing linemen for big bucks, that hamper your cap?
You know what I love about you, Lil Doomie. Is your ability to contradict yourself in only two sentences. Snee and Beatty were 2nd round draft picks by the Giants. Also love how your throwing in Schwartz as an example of high price Olineman with baggage after only one preseason. Beside the fact that Schwartz having an average salary of around $4 million really doesn't make him a big ticket free agent but keep banging the drum...
He could go the Jeremy Shockey route and pick a yelling fight with the GM and hope he blows a gasket and trades him, but I wouldn't bank on that.
Point is they don't WANT to trade him. If someone makes it worth their while by giving them a great deal they will. Otherwise they will let him stew in his own juices. Once he starts forfeiting gamechecks his attitude may change. Until then Denver doesn't have to do anything. We see this all the time, and most often there is movement on both sides at the end, or simply the players side. Very rarely do the players simply get their way in these matters.Denver isn't interested in a zero sum trade. If they make one it's going to be worth their while. That doesn't mean he's worth a 1st rounder, just that it's the position the Broncos are taking that benefits them the most.
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where they see the value... how do they determine he's worth a 1st round draft pick?
He's worth it because they aren't inclined to trade him. The team has the leverage. In the end whats he going to do, sit out the season?
He could go the Jeremy Shockey route and pick a yelling fight with the GM and hope he blows a gasket and trades him, but I wouldn't bank on that.
Point is they don't WANT to trade him. If someone makes it worth their while by giving them a great deal they will. Otherwise they will let him stew in his own juices. Once he starts forfeiting gamechecks his attitude may change. Until then Denver doesn't have to do anything. We see this all the time, and most often there is movement on both sides at the end, or simply the players side. Very rarely do the players simply get their way in these matters.Denver isn't interested in a zero sum trade. If they make one it's going to be worth their while. That doesn't mean he's worth a 1st rounder, just that it's the position the Broncos are taking that benefits them the most.
Interesting take on Denver's stance in this situation. I wonder how San Francisco is thinking?
Dammit....
IF a trade actually happens and they get a 1st(unlikely), you can then ask:
Trying to understand how San Fran got a 1st for Boone.