Well, two of them, anyway.
Yesterday there was a study published which stated that prescription overdose deaths are lower in states with legal medical marajuana.
http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/writers/steven_elbow/study-finds-fewer-overdose-deaths-in-medical-marijuana-states/article_8ca175e9-36d8-5cfb-9cc2-dca5f8bfe878.html
Today we hear that:
| The researchers discovered that the more often couples smoked marijuana (approximately two or three times monthly), the less frequent husbands engaged in violent behavior against their wives. The corelations between non-violence and pot use was most prevalent among women who had no previous history of antisocial behavior. |
I hear that tomorrow there will be the announcement of a study that elected officials who smoke pot write fewer bad laws--especially about pot.
*****Notice: I don't smoke pot. I'm allergic.
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By the way, for those who thought Sarah Silverman was stoned at the Emmys, yeah, she brought liquid THC with her. Perhaps my time has come.
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Sure it makes people less violent but also makes them lazier, less productive, and more apathetic.
I am not knocking it. I have used it myself to relax but it no doubt causes plenty of problems.
It should be decriminalized nationally, but legalization creates too many issues.
Sure it makes people less violent but also makes them lazier, less productive, and more apathetic.
I am not knocking it.
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Wrong(s).
Sure it makes people less violent but also makes them lazier, less productive, and more apathetic.
I am not knocking it. I have used it myself to relax but it no doubt causes plenty of problems.
It should be decriminalized nationally, but legalization creates too many issues.
It can be fairly argued that there are problems with use, but does that overcome making criminals of otherwise law-abiding people, taking drivers' licenses and levying fines and in some instances sending people to jail? Alcohol can make people lazy, indolent, violent, sick, etc and we have decided that it is not appropriate to criminalize its possession for the vast majority of our citizens.
Sure it makes people less violent but also makes them lazier, less productive, and more apathetic.
I am not knocking it. I have used it myself to relax but it no doubt causes plenty of problems.
It should be decriminalized nationally, but legalization creates too many issues.
It actually depends on the person and the amount they smoke at a time...
With me after i smoke i actually like to work out..i dont like to sit on the couch and do nothing and just eat...
Its different for everyone...People who smoke arent all lazy, sit on the couch and do nothing people..
I don't buy that. At undergrad I saw pot become a quasi-addiction for my roommate and a number of my peers, and whether or not it was the only reason they became lazy it was certainly a contributing factor.
The argument that pot is a miracle drug and a cure-all is unnecessary. The issue is whether the problems associated with use outweigh the those associated with its criminalization, and I have yet to see even a mildly persuasive set of facts or arguments suggesting that they do.
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Any more than, say, the internet does. If either harms your overall productivity in life, you were already those things going in.
I don't buy that. At undergrad I saw pot become a quasi-addiction for my roommate and a number of my peers, and whether or not it was the only reason they became lazy it was certainly a contributing factor.
I could offer personal, anecdotal and current stories that say just the opposite. I know a good number of successful professionals and family people who also happen to smoke pot. So my experience leads me to conclude it's about the individuals. Just as I see with alcohol, the internet, TV, bad relationships, whatever. People looking for excuses to be unproductive will find them everywhere. (Especially, but certainly not exclusively, as undergrads.) People who generally get shit done, do that.
The argument that pot is a miracle drug and a cure-all is unnecessary. The issue is whether the problems associated with use outweigh the those associated with its criminalization, and I have yet to see even a mildly persuasive set of facts or arguments suggesting that they do.
I agree with all of that.
after I have all my responsible stuff done. relaxes me before bed. like the muscle relaxing qualities after I smoke . Good time to stretch out the old aching body.
But I do hate it during the daytime don't like being stupid/stoned in front of people. I ask my wife if she has anything serious to talk about b4 I do so its not a buzzkill.
Morally speaking it's no different, and this idea that if marijuana were to become legal a large portion of our population would turn into unproductive stoners and our roads would be filled with intoxicated drivers is just the new Reefer Madness. The fact of the matter is that after a brief period where some people who were on the fringe due to legal hangups tried it things would largely return to normal because the vast, vast majority of people who will smoke once it's legal are already smoking.
The biggest difference would be in tax revenue and could really help with a lot of states budget issues. Colorado pulled in over 200 million in taxes in the first four months, imagine what that kind of money could do in a state like Pa that's seen so many education cuts and urban school closures. It's time for people to take an honest look at the history of marijuana prohibition in this country, which is a farce, as well as take into account that Colorado and Washington (not to mention countless other places all over the world) haven't descended into some state of lackadaisical anarchy since they wised up and let people make their own choices.
But yeah, Dune has the issues right. How many hundreds of thousands of people nationwide--especially black men--are in prison for reasons associated with a drug that may or may not be associated with more harms than benefits? It's nuts.
It makes me more productive...so you're wrong there, chief.
POT HEAD.
By the way, for those who thought Sarah Silverman was stoned at the Emmys, yeah, she brought liquid THC with her. Perhaps my time has come.
just to be clear, it's concentrated THC in oil form, which is vaporized using a coil. there's no combustion involved. much easier on the lungs.
close friend of mine out west has always had a similar issue - severe reaction to any kind of inhaled smoke, and he swears by this stuff.
may be a few years before it's available here in the tri-state area - without a serious medical condition, that is.
I strongly believe that there is a s subset of people who get addicted, and show all of those symptoms. I have known a few.
Then a gain, the proportion of alcohol users who abuse it, with all sorts of negative symptoms, is probably at least as high, and the magnitude of the bad behavior associated with alcohol abuse is probably vastly higher.
This is likely correct - it will be the difference between Vegas (destination) and riverboat gaming (local), but that is well down the road...
That won't stop politicians in other states from "promising" similar revenue boosts from legalization.
Refreshing how quickly attitudes are changing on this, although of course after a multi-decade dragging of the feet by those insistent upon residing on the wrong side of history. What a bunch of freaks. As they sip the drug they like.
Opposing all out legalization is one thing (although still wrong), or decriminalization another (still wrong), but elitist politicians who with fervency oppose medicinal are clueless on a level that makes Lloyd Christmas appear erudite.
I like what Holder and his boss are doing showing some restraint as far as excercising Federal law but show some balls already and come out for fed legalization. Not like it'd pass anyway but it'd get the ball rolling faster. You'll look good in 25 years.
Dunedin is right; the tax revenue bonanzas of certain places suffer from a first-mover effect, a price effect, and a novelty effect.
It's likely that businesses continue to grow and scale, reducing the revenues in that way.
While I agree with most of the other posters defending the issue, this is simply wrong. I run 20 miles per week, go to the gym 6 days a week. If I smoke weed I don't get off the couch unless it's to get food.
Pot has different affects on different people, fact. I have friends that smoke and go work out. I have other friends that smoke and all they want to do is watch tv and eat. I have friends that are normally anxious people until they get high and then it calms them down. I have friends that are normally calm but when they smoke they become incredibly anxious and paranoid.
Weed has many different affects on many different people.
Dude, Cheech and Chong could get elected somehow and the hillbillies 15 miles west of Philly all the way to Pittsburgh (and their equally brain-deficient representatives) would never vote for legalization.
Sure it makes people less violent but also makes them lazier, less productive, and more apathetic.
I am not knocking it. I have used it myself to relax but it no doubt causes plenty of problems.
It should be decriminalized nationally, but legalization creates too many issues.
I don't think smoking pot will render an otherwise ambitious person lazy and apathetic. It's just that a lot of people who smoke pot happen to be so.
The issue is whether you can return to a productive life when the buzz wears off. millions of people who currently smoke and are productive shows that you can. There is a much smaller subset of users who are addicted, and with any addiction comes negative effects on life. When you follow the 'everything in moderation' guidelines, I don't believe that there's any significant degradation of life efficiency for the overwhelming vast majority.
this kind of mentality is partly why weed has been illegal for so long. there's lots of productive things you can do while high. the idea of "it doesn't work for me, thus it doesn't work for anyone else either" is pretty laughable.
*shrug* I don't care.
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Any more than, say, the internet does. If either harms your overall productivity in life, you were already those things going in.
While I agree with most of the other posters defending the issue, this is simply wrong. I run 20 miles per week, go to the gym 6 days a week. If I smoke weed I don't get off the couch unless it's to get food.
Pot has different affects on different people, fact. I have friends that smoke and go work out. I have other friends that smoke and all they want to do is watch tv and eat. I have friends that are normally anxious people until they get high and then it calms them down. I have friends that are normally calm but when they smoke they become incredibly anxious and paranoid.
Weed has many different affects on many different people.
Your facts aren't 'facts'. You are telling the same anecdotal stories the rest of us are. 'Well, i know with me, this happens. But with my friends, that happens...'
Of course pot effects people differently. So do doughnuts. And video games. And adult responsibilities. People handle their shit or they do not. As I said, if you don't want to be productive, there are any number of excuses available. People love excuses even more than pot or doughnuts (or wasting time on BBI). But in the end, it's on you. If you know that you shouldn't smoke pot if you want to work out that's a story about you . Not about pot.
In any any case, I was responding to someone who said it makes all people 'apathetic and lazy.' That is not true. As your own anecdotes illustrate. Fact.
But honestly, what mystifies me is that people do (give a crap). I can't for the life of me understand why if it's illegal people would take time out of their day to waste ATP on the topic, other than registering an opinion. Not you guys, because it's fine to debate the merits and voice displeasure...but people who would go out of their way to join a group, walk in a march, buy a tee shirt. I mean, it's like if >18 oz soft drinks were criminalized. It might be harmless and not meriting being made illegal. So yeah, I would miss it; I might be a bit miffed. But oh well, it's not an essential or the even least bit important to daily life. Really worth a march???
But honestly, what mystifies me is that people do (give a crap). I can't for the life of me understand why if it's illegal people would take time out of their day to waste ATP on the topic, other than registering an opinion. Not you guys, because it's fine to debate the merits and voice displeasure...but people who would go out of their way to join a group, walk in a march, buy a tee shirt. I mean, it's like if >18 oz soft drinks were criminalized. It might be harmless and not meriting being made illegal. So yeah, I would miss it; I might be a bit miffed. But oh well, it's not an essential or the even least bit important to daily life. Really worth a march???
Why not? It sends people to prison (though the conflation of sentences for weed and those for hard drugs is irritating), it causes interactions with the justice system for people who are not otherwise likely to enter into it, it costs money to administer, and it inhibits freedom. To a small degree? Perhaps, but for those who enjoy it that degree may be much larger.
I think the convictions for pot possession, especially small doses clearly for personal consumption, while increasingly becoming less common, are what has driven people to political action against the laws, more so than the fact that it is illegal.
Sure it makes people less violent but also makes them lazier, less productive, and more apathetic.
I am not knocking it. I have used it myself to relax but it no doubt causes plenty of problems.
It should be decriminalized nationally, but legalization creates too many issues.
Aside from the reasons already provided to rebut this statement, I'll add that the strain one smoke makes, or can make, a large difference in what affect it has.
Sativa generally provides more of an "up" head and can sharpen senses to a degree. Indica tends to provide more of a relaxed "stoner" affect.
These, of course, are general descriptions and vary from person to person and are vastly affected by the amount smoked.