Quote from Sheldon Richardson of the Jets:
“Got some kinks to work out, you can notice that stuff, little stuff like that — it’s to the point where he don’t trust his offensive line that much, ’cause he’s watching the rush,” Richardson said, via the New York Post. “Little stuff like that.”
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This is why I'm not blaming Eli for 99% of his mistakes from last year and this preseason.
Good point, his comment is clearly out of left field and inconsistent with the reality we've all observed for more than a year.
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it must be true.
Good point, his comment is clearly out of left field and inconsistent with the reality we've all observed for more than a year.
Exactly, he's not looking down field any more trying to pick out a receiver. He's now focused on the rush......because Sheldon Richardson said so.
And a bad offensive line: Filthy uniform.
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it must be true.
Good point, his comment is clearly out of left field and inconsistent with the reality we've all observed for more than a year.
Exactly, he's not looking down field any more trying to pick out a receiver. He's now focused on the rush......because Sheldon Richardson said so.
good thing everything else we've seen in preseason suggests otherwise.
sheldon's lying though.
Exactly. Eli used to move well in the pocket and had a good sense of the rush because he trusted his OL. It wasn't perfect, he still got hit, but now he seems a lot more concerned with where the rush is coming from than he did before.
WTF, just because he's butt hurt that the Giants' reserves whooped their asses he had to come up with something. Yeah, his 1st team really beat the shit out of the Giants. They were up by 3 at half time.
And, I suppose Eli didn't give a shit about the rush during the 2 minute drill where there were 7 passes and only 1 run, but he was scared shitless the other times.
This is simply not going to happen...the 49er's need Boone and aren't giving him up.
Manning obviously isn't comfortable but he will settle down.
There's a difference between trying to escape the rush when your offensive lineman whiffs on a block and "having your eyes on the rush."
So, just because Eli couldn't escape when the lineman whiffs, it's all because Eli is the problem? Is that it? Bullshit.
of course there is. It's completely preposterous to suggest otherwise.
And Sheldon was actually fairly respectful as you'd expect a football opponent to be in that article. Without explicitly calling out Eli, he talked about the player always only being as good as his last game. Another thinly veiled shot at Eli but not overtly so.
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Regardless of who said it, there's truth to the statement. Compare the Eli of 2011, who was under pressure quite a bit, to the Eli of today and you'll see a QB who is much more concerned about the pass rush.
There's a difference between trying to escape the rush when your offensive lineman whiffs on a block and "having your eyes on the rush."
So, just because Eli couldn't escape when the lineman whiffs, it's all because Eli is the problem? Is that it? Bullshit.
heres the problem: stop trying to completely absolve Eli from the problems he's helped cause this team the last 1.5 seasons. He holds the ball too long and has his shares of sack-fumbles with and without Gilbride's offense.
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I think the Giants really have to feature the running game and just pepper it with the passing game to keep the opponents from putting 8 in the box.
We just have to hope the starters stay healthy and they get better with pass blocking as time goes on. This was to be expected. It's hard to find and pay for good veteran Oline guys.
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You can always send him a check, like I do.
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but who was kepler in the past?
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You seem to be laboring under the impression I care if you donate(by the way you can always send a check). I also, honestly, don't care who you used to post as in the past. I just find your aggressive negativity familiar and was curious.
You aren't willing to reveal this and I don't care enough to find out(plus it's your business and no real concern to me). I'll just add you to my list of posters to ignore.
Noting personal, I've just found this site to be more enjoyable lately if I avoid certain threads and posters!
Punishment? Up until last yr. he's always been one of the least sacked QBs in the league
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that the decline in Eli's game might be due to the punishment he's taken over the years? He's been an iron man, but that just means he's played through injuries, not that he's never injured. Games like the NFC championship at Candlestick take a toll over time.
Punishment? Up until last yr. he's always been one of the least sacked QBs in the league
This. Eli has shown the ability to perform behind leaky lines and taking hits. Now it seems less so. Why?
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Regardless of who said it, there's truth to the statement. Compare the Eli of 2011, who was under pressure quite a bit, to the Eli of today and you'll see a QB who is much more concerned about the pass rush.
This. Eli has shown the ability to perform behind leaky lines and taking hits. Now it seems less so. Why?
Because in 2011 he had a corps of receivers who could get open quickly and make big plays, something he didn't have in 2012 and 2013. OBJ was supposed to change that, but he hasn't been able to get on the field.
I am as big a Manning fan as there is, but something isn't right. He looks, at times, like he'd rather not step in to the throw and like he wants bail a little early.
Eli is tough as nails and I would never doubt him, but I could certainly see a QB getting a bit tired of getting hit.
Manning is going to have a great year, and I certainly don't think he's watching the rush, but you have to admit he's not as comfortable as he should be under center.
I think with a new offense, new line, new backs, new coach he's just in an adjustment period(we all hope).
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This is true as well.
Mrvax, I've been suggesting this all summer. Others have as well, but it has been met with a level of backlash.
There is nothing wrong with Eli playing the role of "passenger" instead of driver as the team tries to find it way.
Why can't the Giants be a team that runs the ball effectively (as they have done so far) and control the clock, play very good defense, and get a play or two out of special teams and win that way?
If they got the 2008 Eli Manning (the season the Giants went 12-4), who that year threw the fewest passes in a season in his career (479) since he became a full-time starter, would that be so bad if it turns out to be successful?
I was going to bring up that game... but but... he had great OL play how did that happen again? When receivers were yelling at the OL on the sideline.
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I think the Giants really have to feature the running game and just pepper it with the passing game to keep the opponents from putting 8 in the box.
Mrvax, I've been suggesting this all summer. Others have as well, but it has been met with a level of backlash.
There is nothing wrong with Eli playing the role of "passenger" instead of driver as the team tries to find it way.
Why can't the Giants be a team that runs the ball effectively (as they have done so far) and control the clock, play very good defense, and get a play or two out of special teams and win that way?
If they got the 2008 Eli Manning (the season the Giants went 12-4), who that year threw the fewest passes in a season in his career (479) since he became a full-time starter, would that be so bad if it turns out to be successful?
The 2008 OL was just fucking steamrolling everyone. We have nothing close to that right now. It's hard to compare and try the same approach and expect a similar level of success.
The run blocking hasn't been awful this preseason but this line certainly isn't the one from 6 years ago. I don't know how successful we'd be as a run heavy team. I think we'd see a lot of 3 and outs.
Those comments were echoed by experts too. Just like the OL is terrible and Eli is shell shocked.
I guess we will see. But just because everyone is saying it, doesn't mean everyone is truly seeing it. It's easy to pile on and follow the herd. Human nature.
I still say the biggest problem last September was the loss of Andre BRown. Mix a little OL struggle and add a Wilson fumble and you have the perfect storm of offensive breakdown.
isn't it possible that watching the rush isn't the problem, but rather that the rush itself is the problem? Why does it always f-ing have to go back to something Eli Manning is doing wrong instead of how he can't do what we know he can do because his protection isn't there? No QB operates well with linemen in his face. Yeah he's watching the rush....he's watching it collapse into his face as he tries to make plays.
Thus continues the persistent analysis of this great player in a way that differs from everyone else. Suddenly it's not that he has no protection, but instead it's he is watching the lack of protection.
isn't it possible that watching the rush isn't the problem, but rather that the rush itself is the problem? Why does it always f-ing have to go back to something Eli Manning is doing wrong instead of how he can't do what we know he can do because his protection isn't there? No QB operates well with linemen in his face. Yeah he's watching the rush....he's watching it collapse into his face as he tries to make plays.
Thus continues the persistent analysis of this great player in a way that differs from everyone else. Suddenly it's not that he has no protection, but instead it's he is watching the lack of protection.
Stay out of third and 10 and Eli will be fine.
That's why he needs to be throwing 70%.
That's why he should stop gambling, bombing the ball down field on 2nd aand 10.
There are ways to mitigate being rushed into hell, its called executing well on first and 2nd down.
Also nobody ever says his injury may still be
nagging and he cant move that fast.
Macadoo has some new foowork techniques for
eli also...I think that screws up his passes..
Right on. The Giants MUST make the OL Priority #1 in their offseason and eve their in-season transaction attempts.
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am falling into this trap but....
isn't it possible that watching the rush isn't the problem, but rather that the rush itself is the problem? Why does it always f-ing have to go back to something Eli Manning is doing wrong instead of how he can't do what we know he can do because his protection isn't there? No QB operates well with linemen in his face. Yeah he's watching the rush....he's watching it collapse into his face as he tries to make plays.
Thus continues the persistent analysis of this great player in a way that differs from everyone else. Suddenly it's not that he has no protection, but instead it's he is watching the lack of protection.
Stay out of third and 10 and Eli will be fine.
That's why he needs to be throwing 70%.
That's why he should stop gambling, bombing the ball down field on 2nd aand 10.
There are ways to mitigate being rushed into hell, its called executing well on first and 2nd down.
this is what happens when your line sucks and you are rushing for 2-3 yards on first down, you have no tight end bailout, you have no RB bail out in the flat, and your receivers are all running routes beyond 10 yards. Plus those same receivers are Cruz, a former great receiver who turned pussy, and a rookie who was never confident or comfortable in the offense or running his routes.
Obviously the guy isn't making perfect plays every time but there are all of these factors surrounding him and the majority, if not all of it can go back to the O Line. Its never as simple as pure black and white but in the NFL if your line is weak then you can't even run plays. Then when you refuse to adjust because you have "confidence" that you can run your plays, its the same thing over and over again. Not to mention repetitive play calling etc...
My point is that when the guy had a team that was running with him, he was a great QB and had his best years. When his team had holes or issues, he had issues. He's not Romo or Rodgers who can make plays plays with their feet. He's a pocket passer who needs a good pocket. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with that if the team is running optimally.