his offensive line is poor. Red-shirt freshman left tackle. Eli doesn't trust his protection. Can't. No way he can take any form of a deep drop and look downfield. With no running game (10 yards rushing the first half) and no real top receivers, he's stuck with the three-step drops and waiting til the last second to see if a receiver can get free. No tight end either. No flaring back. So he's taking some big hits. Taking them well. Carried an overmatched team entirely on his shoulders.
- Ernie Accorsi, 11/2/02
Sound familiar?
ELI IS NOT SUPERMAN. He needs help, TC and Reese havent given him the protection he needs to be successful the last 2 years.
I would not be upset if Coughlin rode the starters for longer than usual tomorrow.
I know pugh is good. and apparently richburg is really good. beatty is average which i can accept. he has always been average. Schwartz is not as impressive as we though he would be and mosely is exactly what we thought. Walton doesn seem to be that bad. he seems average. but there are too many average players who have no chemistry. that is a problem. only pugh and beatty were playing OL last year. but they were on the end of the line and not next to each other which i think is a big deal.
They seem to be able to run well, but they suck at pass blocking. and the rush always seems to be up the middle. eli can only avoid so many sacks. he isn't russell wilson.
By comparison, Brady was hit 71 times and that profile in courage Cutler was hit 67 times. Luck should be shell shocked as he was hit 95 times. Russell Wilson was hit 79 times and sacked 39 times.
In truth, Manning's protection wasn't great but it wasn't as awful as the prevailing BBI meme would make it.
You can't keep asking him to keep taking these hits week in and week out. The man is 33 and while that's by no means old for a QB, it's going to catch up to him at somepoint (see last year).
If the line does not improve significantly, we can't expect much out of Eli.
By comparison, Brady was hit 71 times and that profile in courage Cutler was hit 67 times. Luck should be shell shocked as he was hit 95 times. Russell Wilson was hit 79 times and sacked 39 times.
In truth, Manning's protection wasn't great but it wasn't as awful as the prevailing BBI meme would make it.
interesting.
By comparison, Brady was hit 71 times and that profile in courage Cutler was hit 67 times. Luck should be shell shocked as he was hit 95 times. Russell Wilson was hit 79 times and sacked 39 times.
In truth, Manning's protection wasn't great but it wasn't as awful as the prevailing BBI meme would make it.
By comparison, Brady was hit 71 times and that profile in courage Cutler was hit 67 times. Luck should be shell shocked as he was hit 95 times. Russell Wilson was hit 79 times and sacked 39 times.
In truth, Manning's protection wasn't great but it wasn't as awful as the prevailing BBI meme would make it.
It has been mentioned but considered crazy talk.
If you give put any value to PFF's actual grading, they graded the Giants' pass blocking as 31st in 2013, 20th in 2012, and 32nd in 2011.
So funny how HomerJones and his fucktard thinking fails to mentioned that.
He was the 29th most pressured QB going by percentage of throws.
Homer the Hater - ( New Window )
All the same, they've sucked for awhile now, contrary to Mason, who believes Eli has had the best protection of his career the past four years.
But don't tell HJ45 that.
Love to see a team-by-team comparison of 3-and-outs.
I say this out of sympathy for Eli, not out of criticism.
Love to see a team-by-team comparison of 3-and-outs.
I say this out of sympathy for Eli, not out of criticism.
Why do it by a number though. Percentage of plays is far more accurate than anything. 27.5% of the time, Eli went back, he got pressured. Almost twice as much as his brother. rivers, Romo, Ben, Rodgers sat at 22% Brady was at 20%
All the same, they've sucked for awhile now, contrary to Mason, who believes Eli has had the best protection of his career the past four years.
My point has always been that Eli has never had the best pass pro during his career. Run blocking was always where that OL shined. Younger Eli was able to escape the pocket and withstand pressure.
All the same, they've sucked for awhile now, contrary to Mason, who believes Eli has had the best protection of his career the past four years.
These are the right stats, thanks man.
Yet another good point last year it came up the middle and over right guard more than elsewhere.
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According to Advance Football Analytics, Giant qb's were hit 70 times last season- good for 17th in the League and he was sacked 40 times, good for 12th in the League. NFL.com had him sacked 39 times, tied with Alex Smith and
By comparison, Brady was hit 71 times and that profile in courage Cutler was hit 67 times. Luck should be shell shocked as he was hit 95 times. Russell Wilson was hit 79 times and sacked 39 times.
In truth, Manning's protection wasn't great but it wasn't as awful as the prevailing BBI meme would make it.
How about when we factor in WRs not being open or running the wrong routes?
Great Post Ben, but I see some people just do not get it
and was good...but never was a good short passer
or had touch . Acorsci once described eli as tough
qb who sat in pocket and would make a big throw
and win the game..thats eli...this offense is not him
This offense needs ODB to turn out to be a true first round big play making receiver.
Yep... The PFF stats don't differentiate that nor do they differentiate between close games and blowouts... If you are getting blown out, opposition stops pressuring as much and plays prevent, hence less pressures and a much lower % of pressure... Just look at the first Q of Carolina game last year... I think he got pressure on every play.... After they had basically won the game, they stopped applying the same kind of pressure but if they wanted to, they could have pressured us all day hence even the percentage is skewed against Eli...
The only thing I worry about him now is the arm.. I keep seeing him through a few yards shorter than he should be throwing on the deep plays.. in 2011 those receivers won't have to slow down to try and catch the ball...
On the bright side, at least he's always anxious to remind us of this at every turn.
I think Eli over his career has done a real nice job of feeling the pressure, move around the pocket or get out of it and just being able to throw the ball away to avoid taking sacks. This always has led to a lower completion % for him. However, I think the last couple year as he gets older he's struggled with this so it's led to higher sack totals. He just isn't as athletic as he once was.
My point is 8-10 years ago Eli made average OL look really good, but as he has gotten older he needs a better OL around him to make this offense work.
You'll see Jennings, Hillis and Williams(just pray that he learning to pick up the blitz better) be kept in more for pass protection if this OL doesn't jell early this season.
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Not all hits, sacks, pressures are equal. Pressure from the tackles eli can deal with, pressure from inside is poison to all qbs.
Yep... The PFF stats don't differentiate that nor do they differentiate between close games and blowouts... If you are getting blown out, opposition stops pressuring as much and plays prevent, hence less pressures and a much lower % of pressure... Just look at the first Q of Carolina game last year... I think he got pressure on every play.... After they had basically won the game, they stopped applying the same kind of pressure but if they wanted to, they could have pressured us all day hence even the percentage is skewed against Eli... .
The general raw pressures numbers don't take into account anything of that sort (and they're not PFF specific; dep linked FO and they match up -- he just referenced individual QBs instead of team QB like I did).
You can dismiss it entirely if you want still, but PFF's grading, however, absolutely tries to take into account how long a QB holds the ball, situation, etc. and the Giants OLs don't come out any better in pass pro by that attempted measure (again, being 31st, 20th, and 32nd the last three years).
Agreed. about Diehl last year. That was a travesty.
Love to see a team-by-team comparison of 3-and-outs.
I say this out of sympathy for Eli, not out of criticism.
Good post CT.....BINGO!