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or Gore this year, but other than that it looks solid.

Foster and gore this year may be huge busts

Also not a cowboys fan so romo and Witten.. Eh

No top QB and your RBs are mediocre.

played on a very bad team. The year before he had 1400 yards rushing 15 tds and over 300 yards rec. He is still young and only been in the league since 2009. I have more faith in him than Zac Stacy, Ellington and such. Plus there is no committee with Tate now on the Browns.

Gore always gets his work. I missed Morris by like 2 picks in rd 3.

and came away w the following (I give myself a C+):

Forte, Matt
Cobb, Randall
Morris, Alfred
Cruz, Victor
Cameron, Jordan
Richardson, Trent
Benjamin, Kelvin
Cutler, Jay
Hyde, Carlos
Wilson, Russell
Clay, Charles
Matthews, Jordan
Mason, Tre
St Loo D
McManus, Brandon (temporary, I realize)

I'd be curious who else was available.

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and came away w the following (I give myself a C+): Forte, Matt Cobb, Randall Morris, Alfred Cruz, Victor Cameron, Jordan Richardson, Trent Benjamin, Kelvin Cutler, Jay Hyde, Carlos Wilson, Russell Clay, Charles Matthews, Jordan Mason, Tre St Loo D McManus, Brandon (temporary, I realize)

As far as my values in the rounds you took them:

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heavy D points (not IDP) and return yards (ind too)

QB: Tony Romo (7)
QB: Russell Wilson (11)
RB: Adrian Peterson (1)
RB: Montee Ball (2)
WR: Antonio Brown (3)
WR: Randall Cobb (4)
TE: Gronk (5)
Flex: Michael Floyd (6)
D/ST: New England (8)
K: Matt Bryant (14)
BN: Ben Tate (9)
BN: Kendall Wright (10)
BN: Ladarius Green (12)
BN: Devonte Freeman (13)

10-team so lots of quality on the waiver wire and i need a TE in case Gronk can't start the season.

Yahoo said I should win the league.

but I know I'm in the minority on that. Too much risk for me, but I understand he has a very high upside. I just don't like taking that kind of risk early in the draft.

Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10.

I think your team is great and Ben Tate is a great pick in rd 9.

I like him - don't get me wrong, but am curious to your line of thinking. A pretty "meh" trade posted on yesterday's thread got high marks from you due to him, as well.

I try to stay unbiased (and likely downgrade Giant players because of it), but am wondering if I'm looking too hard at last season and not taking into account his (and this offense's) potential.

In comment 11828768 kmed said:

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but I know I'm in the minority on that. Too much risk for me, but I understand he has a very high upside. I just don't like taking that kind of risk early in the draft. Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10.

I thought i could get a QB later, esp with only 4pts per TD, but when I picked Romo it was during a run on QB's, the 7th round started with Brady who I wanted, then went Cam Newton, Matt Ryan and then I took Romo.

the remaining starting quality QB's were Foles (who I have in my other league and just didn't want to double up) - he went later in the 7th, RG3, Kaepernick, Rivers (who might represent the best value and went in the 10th, - but he's someone's 2nd QB and I've read a lot of negative projections for him), Cutler, Big Ben, Russel Wilson (who is my backup), and Andy Dalton.

I hate relying on Cutler and Rivers I prob could have waited on.

I didn
t want to take Romo, felt i had to, but...that being said I think he has a good year and outperforms many QB's drafted ahead of him if he can stay healthy. That line should be good, he's got offensive weapons and a defense that should keep him on the field.

I don't love Ball, but some RB in Denver is going to benefit from that offense. Likely it's him.

Let's also assume that Cruz stays healthy this year. He's got a pretty good track record, so there isn't much injury risk.

So last year Victor Cruz was the 28th ranked WR and he only played in 14 games. That puts him as a low end WR2. If you annualize his season, he's probably closer to the 15 range which is a good WR2.

So that's in a season where just about everything went wrong and we had trouble completing passes all season long. Even in a shortended season he still was top 25 in targets too, we just couldn't complete passes last year due to a variety of reasons.

In 2012, cruz was the 12th ranked WR in my league and in 2011 Cruz was a top 5 WR. I believe that this offense will be greatly improved from last year and I believe that Cruz will be the biggest benefactor from that. He's our best WR, he's our best offensive playmaker and by most accounts the slot receiver cleans up in this offense.

That's why I really like Cruz at his current value. He's a very low end wr1 or a high end wr2 in my book and in the 4th round, that's gold.

Here's a guy that's had a plethora of great fantasy seasons and then had 1 really bad year. He's got a great offensive system and great offensive weapons. I'm very high on rivers this year and his value is one of the best in the draft, IMO.

Same is true for Foster. With handcuffs, the risk of them breaking down is somewhat mitigated.

In comment 11828785 kmed said:

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Let's also assume that Cruz stays healthy this year. He's got a pretty good track record, so there isn't much injury risk. So last year Victor Cruz was the 28th ranked WR and he only played in 14 games. That puts him as a low end WR2. If you annualize his season, he's probably closer to the 15 range which is a good WR2. So that's in a season where just about everything went wrong and we had trouble completing passes all season long. Even in a shortended season he still was top 25 in targets too, we just couldn't complete passes last year due to a variety of reasons. In 2012, cruz was the 12th ranked WR in my league and in 2011 Cruz was a top 5 WR. I believe that this offense will be greatly improved from last year and I believe that Cruz will be the biggest benefactor from that. He's our best WR, he's our best offensive playmaker and by most accounts the slot receiver cleans up in this offense. That's why I really like Cruz at his current value. He's a very low end wr1 or a high end wr2 in my book and in the 4th round, that's gold.

Good insight, thanks.

keep in mind that my opinion is not always in line with the majority and I think I'm on a small island with cruz. Most people think that this offense will struggle like last year and if they do, Cruz will probably have a season like last year. Even if that happens though and he ends up as the 30th ranked WR, it's not going to kill your team if you draft him in rd4.

I truly believe that he's going to be our workhorse and in a PPR league he has a really good upside. I think he's a fairly safe pick as well because I don't see Williams snaking too many carries between the 20's.

but I wouldn't really want to have both of them.

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keep in mind that my opinion is not always in line with the majority and I think I'm on a small island with cruz. Most people think that this offense will struggle like last year and if they do, Cruz will probably have a season like last year. Even if that happens though and he ends up as the 30th ranked WR, it's not going to kill your team if you draft him in rd4.

No worries, not taken as the gospel - but gives me a chance to step back and get a different opinion. As mentioned, I likely underrate Giants to avoid biases, so its good to hear a well-reasoned alternative take on Cruz.

I dont like him where he is going in most Mocks i think people are over valuing him because of what Moreno did last year in that offense...I dont like RBs that are in an offense where teh RB is interchangeable...meaning whatever RB is in there that player is going to put up numbers...that makes Ball less valued because he can be substituted in and out at any time...I like him more in the 3rd round...

As for Cruz i see him as a number 2 receiver this year with the potential to be a low end 1...I think as the offense progresses with the short routes he is going to be relied on a lot more and get a ton of catches..I think Manning will rely on him early in the year because he is Manning's most veteran receiver that he trusts...

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Here's a guy that's had a plethora of great fantasy seasons and then had 1 really bad year. He's got a great offensive system and great offensive weapons. I'm very high on rivers this year and his value is one of the best in the draft, IMO.

No clue, but that's where he's going. I'm nearly 100% sure I could trade my backup (Russell Wilson) to the team with Philip Rivers today if I am so inclined.

QB Brady
RB Peterson
RB Ball
WR Marshall
WR Crabtree
TE Ertz
Flex Ellington
D/ST Bengals
K Bryant

Bench- Torrey Smith, Steven Jackson, Lamar Miller, Emmanuel Sanders, Brandin Cooks, Tim Wright, Big Ben

.5 ppr and we draft a few defensive players too, but typically most won't draft those def players until later on, round 15 or so... But someone always drafts a JJ Watt or a LB earlier, which of course is extremely stupid since even the best defensive player scoring output doesn't come close to a 4th WR, but I digress...

Lynch slipped to 10 so I took him and AJ green back to back.
Got Reggie bush and garçon next
Ty Hilton and NYG Jennings
The titans WR and joique bell

Got Phillip rivers late. Russel wilson soon after

My TEs are kind of weak I guess but they don't score much in my league-- got the skins TE and can't remember my backup but he's a decent starter..

Got the pats dst...got good defensive players...

We shall see.. I also got knowshon Moreno really really late and feel like he could be a huge sleeper this year...

In comment 11828838 Mr Brightside said:

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QB Brady RB Peterson RB Ball WR Marshall WR Crabtree TE Ertz Flex Ellington D/ST Bengals K Bryant Bench- Torrey Smith, Steven Jackson, Lamar Miller, Emmanuel Sanders, Brandin Cooks, Tim Wright, Big Ben

I like it, ertz may be behind Celek for a while so you could struggle at TE until he overtakes him.

Notably Antonio brown, got picked soon after I took aj green. The first WR picked in my leave was dem Thomas, not megatron which I found odd. Mega went second.

So when my 3rd pick came many if not all of the elite Wrs were gone except garçon. So I took the rb, bush and garçon there... I actually thought long and hard about taking Rashad Jennings there but took bush based on his ppr potential. Lucky for me was able to get Jennings in the next round.

You're missing half the game...

Didn't see your post

Depends on how much value you give your IDPs

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Here's a guy that's had a plethora of great fantasy seasons and then had 1 really bad year. He's got a great offensive system and great offensive weapons. I'm very high on rivers this year and his value is one of the best in the draft, IMO.

I agree. I love rivers this year especially at where he can be drafted. I took him in the 9th round as my starting QB. People were falling all over themselves drafting guys like Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady in rounds 4 or 5 but rivers out performed them last year and very little has changed in his offense this year. Why can't rivers duplicate his 2013 campaign? He's done it before. More often than not rivers is a top 7 ff QB sometimes even too 3-4-5. Rivers is a steal this year.

Yep I've been doing an IDP draft for 16 seasons now. We start 1 DL, 2LBs and 1 DB. Love it. And it's easy to exploit because most guys aren't thay diligent week to week. You can and will get huge FA pickups every year, even mid way through or late in the year. Just gotta pay attention every week...the draft is important but FA can really bail you out.

In comment 11828891 djm said:

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In comment 11828788 kmed said: Quote: Here's a guy that's had a plethora of great fantasy seasons and then had 1 really bad year. He's got a great offensive system and great offensive weapons. I'm very high on rivers this year and his value is one of the best in the draft, IMO. I agree. I love rivers this year especially at where he can be drafted. I took him in the 9th round as my starting QB. People were falling all over themselves drafting guys like Matt Ryan, and Tom Brady in rounds 4 or 5 but rivers out performed them last year and very little has changed in his offense this year. Why can't rivers duplicate his 2013 campaign? He's done it before. More often than not rivers is a top 7 ff QB sometimes even too 3-4-5. Rivers is a steal this year.

For one thing the Chargers play the NFC West and AFC East - two of the best defensive conferences.

Last year defensively they had one of the easiest schedules in the league.

Even the Cardinals and Rams have good D's the Pats and Jets do, it's just going to be different for him than last year - in many people's opinions. Additionally, their own conference has some improved defenses.

Additionally, Brady has Gronk and Vereen back, Ryan has Julio Jones back, and so Rivers outperformed them last year, it's unlikely he does again this year - IMO.

I like Rivers and had him targeted late but he went right before I picked (Literally) and I picked Russell Wilson who is a guy I think will probably outpoint Philip Rivers in fantasy football this year with another year running that offense, a healthy percy harvin and some new weapons.

but they are a waste of time if you only have to start 2 or 3 total. If you're doing it where you have to start like 8-10 a week, then you have something. Of course that extends the draft out an extra hour+, and most of the people I'm in leagues with wouldn't commit to that kind of effort.

Got an opening in a 16 team league. 11 IDPs

Interested?

I'll hook you up with the Commish.

Like I said earlier the best lbs will barely keep pace scoring with average Wrs. The dropoff from the best LB to the 15th best is merely 15-20 points or so give or take. One exception being maybe a JJ watt at his best, etc... But I'd just as soon wait and load up on offense and then get my def players later. I have legit def studs starting and backing up. I'm good to go...

10 team league, 1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D, ST

I had the 7th pick and the first 6 picks were running backs and there always seemed to be a run on them right before my pick. I'm hoping to flip a TE or WR for a RB. Also, Im counting on finding a RB on waivers once someone gets injured.

QB: Rivers, Dalton
RB: Vereen, Johnson, J. Hill, Greene
WR: D. Thomas, K. Allen, Floyd, Colston, Hunter, Evans
TE: Graham, Gronk

In order of picks:

Graham, Thomas, Gronk, Allen, Vereen, Floyd, Johnson, Colston, Rivers, Hill, Hunter, Greene, Evans

Am I totally screwed? Does Hill have a chance of being a sleeper?

But the commish changed it this year to just 4.

and drafted Bernard Pierce in the sixth round. Sigh.

be your flex?

graham and gronk? before gronk gets hurt you should flip him for a late top tier RB.

Is the best RB option on Baltimore. I drafted him after someone took Ray Rice and I'm confident Pierce will be the feature back. You could have gotten him later but don't dump him.

Btw, I don't think that's Snowy White on the Pigs on a Wing video. I can't prove it yet but I'm researching...

Round 2 is not a reach for him. He plays on a great system for RBs. He can catch the ball. I don't really see why some on this thread think he's a risk? How is he any more of a risk than any other RB? He also has nobody to worry about behind him on the depth chart. Neither of those guys are stealing his job. He seems like a safe pick to me

Is the next Aaron Hernandez? (According to Ian Rappaport)

I don't see him getting too many looks with all the other options Brady has...

I was drafting 3rd and was very happy to get him at the bottom of round 2.

Any thoughts on this 12 team Non-PPR team?

QB(1): Matt Ryan, Ben Roethlisberger
RB(2): Adrian Peterson, Montee Ball, Lamar Miller, Andre Williams, Carlos Hyde
WR(2): Brandon Marshall, Keenan Allen, Roddy White, Brandin Cooks, Marques Colston
TE(1): Martellus Bennett, Ladarius Green
PK(1): Robbie Gould
TD(1): St. Louis Rams
Flex(1) RB/WR/TE

reaction is the team looks tiny

On this thread...

to avoid wraparound on my roster.

In comment 11828930 Rocky Thompson said:

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Is the best RB option on Baltimore. I drafted him after someone took Ray Rice and I'm confident Pierce will be the feature back. You could have gotten him later but don't dump him. Btw, I don't think that's Snowy White on the Pigs on a Wing video. I can't prove it yet but I'm researching...

Interesting. I was under the impression that it was snowy white. You're talking about the extended pigs wing version, right?

In comment 11828935 Rocky Thompson said:

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Is the next Aaron Hernandez? (According to Ian Rappaport) I don't see him getting too many looks with all the other options Brady has...

I do not buy him as the next Aaron Hernandez. He's more like brandon myers than Aaron hernandez IMO. Definitely will catch passes and he's in a system that will maximize his production, but will not have the YAC or elusiveness Hernandez and can't block (so he has that in common with hernandez).

Roger Waters – acoustic guitar, vocals[1]
Snowy White – guitar solo (8-track version only)[4]

don't love this team very much:

QB - Brady, Palmer
RB - Ball, Spiller, R. Bush, SJax, Bradshaw, Helu
WR -Marshall, Wallace, Benjamin, Bowe, Moncrief
TE - Cameron, Graham (HOU)
D - panthers
K- vinitari

I kept getting screwed with the guys I wanted being taken right before I picked. its a ppr league and my WR are pretty weak so that might hurt. I can start 3 of those RB's and they'll all be good PPR RB's I think.

Yes, a TE can be a flex. I'm hoping Gronk gets healthy and rips off a monster stretch early and I'll try to flip him for a top tier RB. Risky, but I never felt like reaching for someone like Gearhart.

A few questions:

1. What are the thoughts on Vereen? The Pats seem very down on Ridley so won't Vereen get the majority of the carries?

2. Isn't Jeremy HIll going to be used in the Green-Ellis role this year? If so, isn't there a chance he actually gets more touches than Bernard?

The one CiP posted last month. Even though it says in the Youtube comments that it's Snowy White, it doesn't sound like him and the timing doesn't work. I could be wrong but...

I have gone to a deeper source, I'll put some time into it tonight.

..as for Tim Dwight I don't believe he will mimic the production we saw from Aaron Hernandez. He's not the athlete Hernandez was. And he probably won't murder anyone but there's still time.

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don't love this team very much: QB - Brady, Palmer RB - Ball, Spiller, R. Bush, SJax, Bradshaw, Helu WR -Marshall, Wallace, Benjamin, Bowe, Moncrief TE - Cameron, Graham (HOU) D - panthers K- vinitari I kept getting screwed with the guys I wanted being taken right before I picked. its a ppr league and my WR are pretty weak so that might hurt. I can start 3 of those RB's and they'll all be good PPR RB's I think.

I'm trying to figure out who your first pick even was. Marshall? Ball?

I'm not familiar w/ PPR but I have to say I don't like your team. It's full of guys who are very questionable and it seems like you're depending on a lot of RBs with long injury histories.

Nothing on your team really jumps out as a strength. But as I said, I'm not familiar w/ PPR and maybe some of those RBs are much better than I think.

I do love Montee Ball though.

Thoughts on my team posted at 10:03? Am I totally screwed w/ my crappy RBs?

just really bad value for a 10 team league. I like my team better in a 12 team league.

no, you'll find RB's throughout the year. The team you draft is usually never the same as it is for the playoffs. There will be tons of injuries to take advantage of which is why I find getting stud WR's more important.

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I'm not familiar w/ PPR but I have to say I don't like your team. It's full of guys who are very questionable and it seems like you're depending on a lot of RBs with long injury histories. Nothing on your team really jumps out as a strength. But as I said, I'm not familiar w/ PPR and maybe some of those RBs are much better than I think. I do love Montee Ball though.

my first pick was ball. I was set to pick D Thomas, but he got snapped up right before I was picking. then coming back I was set take Julio when marshall was there.

in a ppr league bush and spiller will be a lot more valuable than they would otherwise.

Thanks. Thats basically what I figured and at each pick there were rarely RBs that didn't feel like reaches.

Who are the backup RBs to stash this year?

Hyde, obviously. Davonte Freeman? If Jennings goes down we all know Williams will see a lot of work. Who else?

In comment 11829028 26.2 said:

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In comment 11829010 armstead98 said: Quote: I'm not familiar w/ PPR but I have to say I don't like your team. It's full of guys who are very questionable and it seems like you're depending on a lot of RBs with long injury histories. Nothing on your team really jumps out as a strength. But as I said, I'm not familiar w/ PPR and maybe some of those RBs are much better than I think. I do love Montee Ball though. my first pick was ball. I was set to pick D Thomas, but he got snapped up right before I was picking. then coming back I was set take Julio when marshall was there. in a ppr league bush and spiller will be a lot more valuable than they would otherwise.

should say Julio was taken right before me.

when I got ball I could have taken Graham, Dez or lynch.

In comment 11828932 BigBlueShock said:

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Round 2 is not a reach for him. He plays on a great system for RBs. He can catch the ball. I don't really see why some on this thread think he's a risk? How is he any more of a risk than any other RB? He also has nobody to worry about behind him on the depth chart. Neither of those guys are stealing his job. He seems like a safe pick to me

I understand that my opinion is not shared by many, but the risks that I see:

1. He has no history of success with just 120 carries last year.

2. He has not proven to be durable. Always scary with RB's, but it takes a special back to be able to handle a full workload. If I'm drafting that early, I usually like a history of being able to handle it.

3. Moreno stole the spotlight last year, but they do like to split carries. If Ball doesn't do the same, he will lose carries because it's system and offense driven, not player driven.

Again, I understand that my opinion is not shared by many, but I don't like taking risks, particularly with RB's that early in teh draft. Just a personal preference.

In comment 11829038 26.2 said:

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In comment 11829028 26.2 said: Quote: In comment 11829010 armstead98 said: Quote: I'm not familiar w/ PPR but I have to say I don't like your team. It's full of guys who are very questionable and it seems like you're depending on a lot of RBs with long injury histories. Nothing on your team really jumps out as a strength. But as I said, I'm not familiar w/ PPR and maybe some of those RBs are much better than I think. I do love Montee Ball though. my first pick was ball. I was set to pick D Thomas, but he got snapped up right before I was picking. then coming back I was set take Julio when marshall was there. in a ppr league bush and spiller will be a lot more valuable than they would otherwise. should say Julio was taken right before me. when I got ball I could have taken Graham, Dez or lynch.

Ball in teh first round is a reach...i would of went Dez, he could end up being the best WR in fantasy football this year...

You could of then probably got Ball in teh 2nd if you wanted or still gone with Marshall and then in a PPR league you have Marshall and Dez 2 guys who will get close to 100 catches 1500 yards receiving and 10+ tds...

was Lynch there in the 2nd?

every single day, regardless of league format.

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every single day, regardless of league format.

Agreed after Charles, Mccoy, Forte, Ap, Lacy and MAYBE Lynch there is no RB i would take in the first round...

If i am at 12 on saturday night i am probably going Lynch and best WR still on board as my back to back picks...

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10 team league, 1 QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, 2Flex, D, ST I had the 7th pick and the first 6 picks were running backs and there always seemed to be a run on them right before my pick. I'm hoping to flip a TE or WR for a RB. Also, Im counting on finding a RB on waivers once someone gets injured. QB: Rivers, Dalton RB: Vereen, Johnson, J. Hill, Greene WR: D. Thomas, K. Allen, Floyd, Colston, Hunter, Evans TE: Graham, Gronk In order of picks: Graham, Thomas, Gronk, Allen, Vereen, Floyd, Johnson, Colston, Rivers, Hill, Hunter, Greene, Evans Am I totally screwed? Does Hill have a chance of being a sleeper?

I think your RB's are weak but you have the best TE, you have potentially the best WR or (almost certainly top 2-3) and I think Rivers is undervalued. I love Floyd this year and if you got him in the 6th that is amazing value. I don't think you're totally screwed at all. I think if you can waiver wire a RB a few weeks in and get one of those guys a-la Zac Stacy last year, your team will be totally fine.

In the early rounds of my draft, but there's no way in hell that I'd take a guy who never had a full workload for at least half a season in the late first/early second round. I'm sure he can have a fantastic season, but he's anything but a value pick at that spot. You're taking a leap of faith when you have safer options that are actually proven.

It's really that simple.

In comment 11829047 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 11829038 26.2 said: Quote: In comment 11829028 26.2 said: Quote: In comment 11829010 armstead98 said: Quote: I'm not familiar w/ PPR but I have to say I don't like your team. It's full of guys who are very questionable and it seems like you're depending on a lot of RBs with long injury histories. Nothing on your team really jumps out as a strength. But as I said, I'm not familiar w/ PPR and maybe some of those RBs are much better than I think. I do love Montee Ball though. my first pick was ball. I was set to pick D Thomas, but he got snapped up right before I was picking. then coming back I was set take Julio when marshall was there. in a ppr league bush and spiller will be a lot more valuable than they would otherwise. should say Julio was taken right before me. when I got ball I could have taken Graham, Dez or lynch. Ball in teh first round is a reach...i would of went Dez, he could end up being the best WR in fantasy football this year... You could of then probably got Ball in teh 2nd if you wanted or still gone with Marshall and then in a PPR league you have Marshall and Dez 2 guys who will get close to 100 catches 1500 yards receiving and 10+ tds... was Lynch there in the 2nd?

like I said, D Thomas went before I picked ball and that's who I wanted. lynch and julio were gone when I picked marshall (it was him or AJ green)...I like bush in this league at the end of R3 (Jennings went right before him who I was considering) and keenan allen and LFitz went back to back right before I picked Spiller. it was him or andre johnson and I wanted to avoid him. I just didn't get the breaks I wanted I guess.

my problem is I also try to avoid NFCE players as well. stupid strategy if you want to win, but I do enjoy it more.

I would have taken Lynch at 10 over Ball.

nad considering the names that should be available with my 2nd pick(Peyton, Brees, Rodgers, Marshall, Lynch, Julio) I wouldn't even consider Ball ahead of any of those guys.

To thank the football gods for the much needed infusion of RB talent that came single handedly from the 2013 NFL Draft?

Gio Bernard
Le'Veon Bell
Montee Ball
Eddie Lacy
Zac Stacy
Andre Ellington

One year removed, and these are all major contributors to their team. That has to be an anomaly in todays NFL. There are still guys like Khiry Robison, Christine Michael, and Knile Davis who can show something within the next couple of years.

Oh, and Michael Cox too. Obviously.

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I would have taken Lynch at 10 over Ball.

maybe. I just thought ball has a bit more upside but at the end of the year, if they both stay healthy I bet its a wash.

Your just screwing yourself out of fantasy then by not draft nfceast players...

You could of had Dez and Aj green in a PPR league...you would of had a great foundation for your team...guaranteed 40-50 points every week...

No way i would of went with Ball in that situation...

and then you passed on AJ Green for Marshall? i dont know about that either...

I just dont like your thinking there especially in a PPR league...

QB: Luck, McCown
RB: Gio Bernard, Tate, MJD, Khiry Robinson
WR: Dez, Allen, VJax, Cooks, Hunter
TE: Reed, Pitta
D: New England
K: Tucker


James White is available...McCown is home against ATL on Luck's bye so I kind of liked that matchup, but is White worth having and finding another backup for that week?

or opinions(which is impossible or really hard without seeing many more details), I'd love to hear how some of your draft trends went. That would be very helpful...

PPR leagues, QB's getting 6 pts per TD...

1. When did the top 3 QB's go?
2. What were the first 10 picks?
3. Was there a run on RB's? When?
4. When did the 2nd tier TE's go(anyone not named Graham)?

Things like that would be very helpful.

In comment 11829111 knicks3031 said:

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QB: Luck, McCown RB: Gio Bernard, Tate, MJD, Khiry Robinson WR: Dez, Allen, VJax, Cooks, Hunter TE: Reed, Pitta D: New England K: Tucker James White is available...McCown is home against ATL on Luck's bye so I kind of liked that matchup, but is White worth having and finding another backup for that week?

I'm going to guess you had teh 10th pick and took Dez/Gio back to back and then Allen/VJax 3/4? Luck 5, Tate 6 and Reed 7?

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I just dont like your thinking there especially in a PPR league...

lol. no worries man. I knew by round 5 I was in trouble with this team. I picked 10th. had I had the 9th pick I'd have a much better team right now.

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In comment 11829111 knicks3031 said: Quote: QB: Luck, McCown RB: Gio Bernard, Tate, MJD, Khiry Robinson WR: Dez, Allen, VJax, Cooks, Hunter TE: Reed, Pitta D: New England K: Tucker James White is available...McCown is home against ATL on Luck's bye so I kind of liked that matchup, but is White worth having and finding another backup for that week? I'm going to guess you had teh 10th pick and took Dez/Gio back to back and then Allen/VJax 3/4? Luck 5, Tate 6 and Reed 7?

Exactly right except switch Tate and Luck

In comment 11829098 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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To thank the football gods for the much needed infusion of RB talent that came single handedly from the 2013 NFL Draft? Gio Bernard Le'Veon Bell Montee Ball Eddie Lacy Zac Stacy Andre Ellington One year removed, and these are all major contributors to their team. That has to be an anomaly in todays NFL. There are still guys like Khiry Robison, Christine Michael, and Knile Davis who can show something within the next couple of years. Oh, and Michael Cox too. Obviously.

And it was considered a bad year for RBs. Wait until this year. This may be the best draft in recent memory for backs.

In comment 11829122 kmed said:

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or opinions(which is impossible or really hard without seeing many more details), I'd love to hear how some of your draft trends went. That would be very helpful... PPR leagues, QB's getting 6 pts per TD... 1. When did the top 3 QB's go? 2. What were the first 10 picks? 3. Was there a run on RB's? When? 4. When did the 2nd tier TE's go(anyone not named Graham)? Things like that would be very helpful.

1 - All 3 went round 1, was shocked
2 - McCoy, Charles, Peterson, Forte, Lacy, Manning, Calvin, Graham, Rodgers, Thomas
3 - Run on RB's were picks 1-5, 13/14, 16/17, 19/21/22
4 - Thomas went 41, Gronk 43

but I hate using a top pick on Luck. I think that's such a stretch. Once you get below the top 3, there are a good 5-7 guys that have the potential to put up monster numbers. If I miss out on the top 3, I see no reason to even consider a QB before rd 7.

In comment 11829122 kmed said:

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or opinions(which is impossible or really hard without seeing many more details), I'd love to hear how some of your draft trends went. That would be very helpful... PPR leagues, QB's getting 6 pts per TD... 1. When did the top 3 QB's go? 2. What were the first 10 picks? 3. Was there a run on RB's? When? 4. When did the 2nd tier TE's go(anyone not named Graham)? Things like that would be very helpful.

My league was .5 ppr, Qbs get 6 points per TD.

The 1st round - Charles, McCoy, Forte, AP, Lacy, Lynch, Calvin, Jimmy, Demaryius, Dez, AJ, Marshall

Peyton, Brees, Rodgers were gone by the middle of the 2nd round.

After the 1st 6 RBs, there was a run on WR. From pick 7 to 24, there was 9 WRs picked. So in the 1st 2 rounds, 11 RBs, 9 WRs, Graham and 3 QBs

Julius Thomas went in the 3rd, Gronk in the 4th, Cameron and Davis in the 5th.

great stuff. I really hope all 3 QB's don't go rd 1 in my draft. Although, I have a top 15 and if I do miss out on them, maybe a guy like Lynch or Marshall fall to me.

I thought some of the QB went insanely early

Round 1
LeSean McCoy RB
Jamaal Charles RB
Adrian Peterson RB
Eddie Lacy RB
Matt Forte RB
Marshawn Lynch RB
Peyton Manning QB
Arian Foster RB
Calvin Johnson WR
Jimmy Graham TE
Drew Brees QB
Aaron Rodgers QB

Round: 2
Demaryius Thomas WR
Doug Martin RB
Dez Bryant WR
Alfred Morris RB
Matthew Stafford QB
Giovani Bernard RB
DeMarco Murray RB
Colin Kaepernick QB
A.J. Green WR
Montee Ball RB
Le'Veon Bell RB
Julio Jones WR

I should have waited a little longer, I was just concerned that the run on QBs was about to begin. Stafford, Newton, Matt Ryan all went a few picks before mine. So it may have been a reach, but I didn't want to get stuck with someone I didn't like

thanks for the draft detail.

I'm getting concerned that I might miss out on a QB in the 2nd round.

Standard ESPN league with 6pt TDs. I picked 3rd. What do you guys think?

1 Jamaal Charles, KC RB

2 Jordy Nelson, GB WR

3 Antonio Brown, Pit WR

4 Rob Gronkowski, NE TE

5 C.J. Spiller, Buf RB

6 Bishop Sankey, Ten RB

7 Fred Jackson, Buf RB

8 Tom Brady, NE QB

9 Tony Romo, Dal QB

10 Hakeem Nicks, Ind WR

11 Rueben Randle, NYG WR

12 Devonta Freeman, Atl RB

13 Bengals D/ST D/ST

14 Adam Vinatieri, Ind K

15 Kenny Stills, NO WR

16 Josh Gordon, Cle WR

no problem. Was pissed because had I know (hindsight is a blast) I wouldn't have wanted the #1 pick. I would have wanted 12 and doubled up on Bryant/Green and just waited on RB completely.

In comment 11829170 Sly Guy said:

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Standard ESPN league with 6pt TDs. I picked 3rd. What do you guys think? 1 Jamaal Charles, KC RB LOVE 2 Jordy Nelson, GB WR EH 3 Antonio Brown, Pit WR LOVE 4 Rob Gronkowski, NE TE LIKE 5 C.J. Spiller, Buf RB LIKE 6 Bishop Sankey, Ten RB DONT LIKE 7 Fred Jackson, Buf RB DONT LIKE 8 Tom Brady, NE QB LOVE 9 Tony Romo, Dal QB LIKE 10 Hakeem Nicks, Ind WR DONT LIKE 11 Rueben Randle, NYG WR LIKE 12 Devonta Freeman, Atl RB 13 Bengals D/ST D/ST 14 Adam Vinatieri, Ind K 15 Kenny Stills, NO WR 16 Josh Gordon, Cle WR LOVE

Not PPR:

QB: Toy Romo
RB's: Giovani Bernard, Doug Martin
WR's: Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall
Flex: Bernard Pierce
TE: Charles Clay
K: Nick Novak
Def: Arizona

Bench:
Jay Cutler
Ben Tate
Andre Williams
Randall Cobb
DeSean Jackson
Martellus Bennett

Drafting QBs in a real draft is unpredictable. By the time I went to pick a QB, some teams already have 2 QBs. In my draft, I picked Brady and Romo back to back because they were the last two QBs left. (Cutler and Rivers were already gone by the time I picked in the 8th).

Not complaining though, I think I picked up some good value players.

Really like that team. Jordy and Brown being available with your 2nd and 3rd picks is really surprising

In comment 11829122 kmed said:

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or opinions(which is impossible or really hard without seeing many more details), I'd love to hear how some of your draft trends went. That would be very helpful... PPR leagues, QB's getting 6 pts per TD... 1. When did the top 3 QB's go? 2. What were the first 10 picks? 3. Was there a run on RB's? When? 4. When did the 2nd tier TE's go(anyone not named Graham)? Things like that would be very helpful.

1. Not worth answering. As you know, our leagues value QBs completely different.

2. McCoy, Charles, Forte, AP, Lacy, Megatron, Graham, Lynch (surprise), Dem Thomas, Dez Bryant (me)

3. Tough to answer as there were multiple runs at different tiers. But a bit of a surprising run was in round 3. Foster (25), Ellington (27), Morris (29), Rashad Jennings (30), Doug Martin (31), CJ Spiller (33). There was a run in the 4th round too.

I think you are going to surprised how early Rashad Jennings goes in your draft.

4. Gronk went at 28, which I felt was a major reach. Julius Thomas went at 36. Vernon went at 43. Cameron at 57.

I love what you did at QB. I think that in the end, it will help you that everyone else was reaching for QB's. Brady in rd 8? In 2012 he was a top QB. I wouldn't bet that he gets back to that level, but is it out of question? I do expect him to improve on last year. Romo has a sick oline and some weapons around him, I think he's also a great value at 9.

I think you are right regarding Jennings. In 90% of the mock drafts I've done, I've gotten him in rd 5, but my league has a plethora of Giants fans, plus they aren't idiots compared to the people that do those mocks.

In comment 11829182 Sly Guy said:

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Drafting QBs in a real draft is unpredictable. By the time I went to pick a QB, some teams already have 2 QBs. In my draft, I picked Brady and Romo back to back because they were the last two QBs left. (Cutler and Rivers were already gone by the time I picked in the 8th). Not complaining though, I think I picked up some good value players.

Yeah, wasn't taking anyone if I didn't get a big 3 by round 2.

Took Brady in the 7th, very happy with it.

in my work league.

In comment 11829192 kmed said:

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I love what you did at QB. I think that in the end, it will help you that everyone else was reaching for QB's. Brady in rd 8? In 2012 he was a top QB. I wouldn't bet that he gets back to that level, but is it out of question? I do expect him to improve on last year. Romo has a sick oline and some weapons around him, I think he's also a great value at 9.

Thanks Kmed. At that point, I just needed a QB. I was the only one left without a QB.

I was targeting Matt Ryan but he went way too early. I was surprised Brady was still available and I took Romo right afterward because of the value (trade bait).

In comment 11829201 Steve in South Jersey said:

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in my work league.

Your league also had Colin kaepernick and Mat Stafford go in the 2nd, have to take your league with a grain of salt...sorry

Benny Cunningham is making a late push for atleast a share of the workload and possibly can start if he gets hot and Stacy keeps posting pedestrian stats.

I think I may be dropping McCluster for him...thoughts?

and I'd be happy if it shook out like that. Ideally I want one of the big 3 in rd 2, but if I miss out, I want everyone else to start reaching out of fear so I can do exactly what you did. Take a guy like brady and then another guy with upside right after.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch says that "if Benny Cunningham isn't challenging Zac Stacy for the starting job, he's certainly pushing him for playing time."

Beat man Jim Thomas says Cunningham has been the best Rams running back this preseason, echoing similar statements from ESPN's Nick Wagoner. This comes on the heels of Stacy playing off the bench behind Cunningham in the third preseason game. While we fully expect Stacy to hold the starting job and be the main back, he can't afford to lose too much volume. He averaged just 3.89 yards per carry and 5.42 yards per reception last year. Cunningham is worth a late-round flier until the uncertainty here shakes out.

In comment 11829211 UConn4523 said:

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Benny Cunningham is making a late push for atleast a share of the workload and possibly can start if he gets hot and Stacy keeps posting pedestrian stats. I think I may be dropping McCluster for him...thoughts?

Wait and see what Mccluster does with Tennessee...he may be used more than you think...if you can wait to see what they both do week 1 and then go from there...

you are such a pjcas18 hater and you exposed yourself here.

Romo is "great value" in the 9th you just told that guy (sly?)...

I drafted him in the 7th, and here is your answer:

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Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10.

But you tell that guy you love him in round 9. Come on dude, just say you like my time, and I'm a stellar drafter and get it over with.

My 7th round included:
Brady
Newton
Matt Ryan
Matt Prater (LOL from an auto-drafter)
Mike Wallace
RG3
Romo****
Nick Foles
Seattle D

the 8th round is:
Gostkowski
Torrey Smith
Lamar Miller
SF D
Kyle Rudolph
Edelman
Pats D***
Bengals D
Witten
TY Hilton


So if I don't draft Romo there which gem do you like so I could have got great value of Romo two rounds later - when he wouldn't have been there.

And in the 9th I took Ben Tate.

I tried to draft a running back higher, but my computer took that moment to freeze and draft another WR. (I coulda had Foster)

QB: Rodgers, Brady
RB: Doug Martin, Reggie Bush, M. Jones-Drew, Jeremy Hill
WR: D. Thomas, Keenan Allen, Jeremy Maclin, Eric Decker, Reuben Randle
TE: Vernon Davis, Jordan Reed
K: Steve Hauschka
Def: NE Patriots

We start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, K, D

In comment 11829215 kmed said:

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The St. Louis Post-Dispatch says that "if Benny Cunningham isn't challenging Zac Stacy for the starting job, he's certainly pushing him for playing time." Beat man Jim Thomas says Cunningham has been the best Rams running back this preseason, echoing similar statements from ESPN's Nick Wagoner. This comes on the heels of Stacy playing off the bench behind Cunningham in the third preseason game. While we fully expect Stacy to hold the starting job and be the main back, he can't afford to lose too much volume. He averaged just 3.89 yards per carry and 5.42 yards per reception last year. Cunningham is worth a late-round flier until the uncertainty here shakes out.

Haha, just posted that (not the direct quote). Basically just need to pull the trigger i guess.

Cunningham
James White
Khiry Robinson
McCluster

In comment 11829218 pjcas18 said:

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you are such a pjcas18 hater and you exposed yourself here. Romo is "great value" in the 9th you just told that guy (sly?)... I drafted him in the 7th, and here is your answer: Quote: Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10. But you tell that guy you love him in round 9. Come on dude, just say you like my time, and I'm a stellar drafter and get it over with. My 7th round included: Brady Newton Matt Ryan Matt Prater (LOL from an auto-drafter) Mike Wallace RG3 Romo**** Nick Foles Seattle D the 8th round is: Gostkowski Torrey Smith Lamar Miller SF D Kyle Rudolph Edelman Pats D*** Bengals D Witten TY Hilton So if I don't draft Romo there which gem do you like so I could have got great value of Romo two rounds later - when he wouldn't have been there. And in the 9th I took Ben Tate.

I am a pj hater, but not because I want to be!

Um, the 9th round is 2 rounds and at least 20 picks after the 7th round.

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don't love this team very much: QB - Brady, Palmer RB - Ball, Spiller, R. Bush, SJax, Bradshaw, Helu WR -Marshall, Wallace, Benjamin, Bowe, Moncrief TE - Cameron, Graham (HOU) D - panthers K- vinitari I kept getting screwed with the guys I wanted being taken right before I picked. its a ppr league and my WR are pretty weak so that might hurt. I can start 3 of those RB's and they'll all be good PPR RB's I think.

I was pretty happy to get Dez and Julio, thanks!

In comment 11829225 knicks3031 said:

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Cunningham James White Khiry Robinson McCluster

Probably in that order if the Benny news is legit. I'm taking a flier, just dropped McCluster for him.

In comment 11829218 pjcas18 said:

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you are such a pjcas18 hater and you exposed yourself here. Romo is "great value" in the 9th you just told that guy (sly?)... I drafted him in the 7th, and here is your answer: Quote: Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10. But you tell that guy you love him in round 9. Come on dude, just say you like my time, and I'm a stellar drafter and get it over with. My 7th round included: Brady Newton Matt Ryan Matt Prater (LOL from an auto-drafter) Mike Wallace RG3 Romo**** Nick Foles Seattle D the 8th round is: Gostkowski Torrey Smith Lamar Miller SF D Kyle Rudolph Edelman Pats D*** Bengals D Witten TY Hilton So if I don't draft Romo there which gem do you like so I could have got great value of Romo two rounds later - when he wouldn't have been there. And in the 9th I took Ben Tate.

Pjacs could you have had Foles? or was it the other way around and could of had Brady, Newton or Ryan?

9th.

In comment 11829218 pjcas18 said:

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you are such a pjcas18 hater and you exposed yourself here. Romo is "great value" in the 9th you just told that guy (sly?)... I drafted him in the 7th, and here is your answer: Quote: Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10. But you tell that guy you love him in round 9. Come on dude, just say you like my time, and I'm a stellar drafter and get it over with. My 7th round included: Brady Newton Matt Ryan Matt Prater (LOL from an auto-drafter) Mike Wallace RG3 Romo**** Nick Foles Seattle D the 8th round is: Gostkowski Torrey Smith Lamar Miller SF D Kyle Rudolph Edelman Pats D*** Bengals D Witten TY Hilton So if I don't draft Romo there which gem do you like so I could have got great value of Romo two rounds later - when he wouldn't have been there. And in the 9th I took Ben Tate.

I almost got in trouble laughing at work with that "Pjcas18 hater".

I think kmed meant it was a good value because based on my league, all the QBs were gone by the time I needed to grab one. Romo and Brady were literally the only start-able QBs left.

Foles.

brady, newton, etc. were gone.

And I like Foles, and maybe this is one of those idiosyncrasies you as a drafter need to block out, but I have Foles in my other league.

I have two leagues and did not want Foles in both.

In comment 11829218 pjcas18 said:

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you are such a pjcas18 hater and you exposed yourself here. Romo is "great value" in the 9th you just told that guy (sly?)... I drafted him in the 7th, and here is your answer: Quote: Also, hate the Romo pick. There are a good 5 QB's I have in his tier and you can get one in rd 10. But you tell that guy you love him in round 9. Come on dude, just say you like my time, and I'm a stellar drafter and get it over with. My 7th round included: Brady Newton Matt Ryan Matt Prater (LOL from an auto-drafter) Mike Wallace RG3 Romo**** Nick Foles Seattle D the 8th round is: Gostkowski Torrey Smith Lamar Miller SF D Kyle Rudolph Edelman Pats D*** Bengals D Witten TY Hilton So if I don't draft Romo there which gem do you like so I could have got great value of Romo two rounds later - when he wouldn't have been there. And in the 9th I took Ben Tate.

It is hysterical how much kmed shits on whatever you say and it's blatantly obvious he goes out of his way to do it to you. But I do think that Romo and Rivers are on the same "tier" and you could have gotten him in round 9-10.

In comment 11829238 pjcas18 said:

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Foles. brady, newton, etc. were gone. And I like Foles, and maybe this is one of those idiosyncrasies you as a drafter need to block out, but I have Foles in my other league. I have two leagues and did not want Foles in both.

ok fair enough...i think i would of went Foles there personally but i see why you didnt...i am the oppposite i like having some of the same players in both leagues because then i dont have 1 league i need someone to score for me and in the other i need the same player to do bad...

From what i have watched of Tate so far this pre season he looks quick and healthy...hopefully he can stay healthy he is going to be a steal for someone as their RB2 or Flex

In comment 11829122 kmed said:

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or opinions(which is impossible or really hard without seeing many more details), I'd love to hear how some of your draft trends went. That would be very helpful... PPR leagues, QB's getting 6 pts per TD... 1. When did the top 3 QB's go? 2. What were the first 10 picks? 3. Was there a run on RB's? When? 4. When did the 2nd tier TE's go(anyone not named Graham)? Things like that would be very helpful.

1) I took the 3rd QB in the second round.
2) Manning, McCoy, Peterson, Charles, Forte, Lacy, CJ, D. Thomas, Jimmy Graham, Drew Brees
3) Kinda a small one: 1, 2 rounds
4) Round 5 (Thomas then Gronk)

I just usually find myself thinking the exact opposite of pj on almost everything. It doesn't make me right, it just makes him wrong.

that Giovani Bernard and Jeremy Hill could get equal carries this year...

Lurker.

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In comment 11829238 pjcas18 said: Quote: Foles. brady, newton, etc. were gone. And I like Foles, and maybe this is one of those idiosyncrasies you as a drafter need to block out, but I have Foles in my other league. I have two leagues and did not want Foles in both. ok fair enough...i think i would of went Foles there personally but i see why you didnt...i am the oppposite i like having some of the same players in both leagues because then i dont have 1 league i need someone to score for me and in the other i need the same player to do bad... From what i have watched of Tate so far this pre season he looks quick and healthy...hopefully he can stay healthy he is going to be a steal for someone as their RB2 or Flex

Most players I agree with this and it's why I'm only in 2 leagues this year. I used to get asked all the time to join a league and pay $100 and draft and then before you know it I'm in 4 or 5 leagues. I have LeSean McCoy in one league and I'm playing against him in another, on Monday night I need Phillip Rivers to get me 22 points to win, but if he gets 35 I'll lose.

it sucked.

So I got out of all except my one main keeper league and at the last second got sucked in to this one with my hockey team buddies. small money ($50) and most people don't know FFL - you saw prater was drafted in the 7th round, someone drafted Josh Gordon - maybe the same person, and almost everything patriot was over-drafted.

but it's fun, I just didn't want the same QB.

I properly millered this thread!

I disagree with him when he says Dez is a risk because Ball is a risk and then cites Dez getting hurt and suspended. Yet Dez hasn't been suspended and hasn't missed a game in 2 years despite having a 2 year history of being a top fantasy WR. Am I wrong for "shitting on him" about that??

In comment 11829254 Rocky Thompson said:

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I properly millered this thread!

unless you're posting under another handle, he wasn't talking to you

and I'm out on the IDP league. I'm in 13 at this point, and I think I'm maxed out.

I actually chose Rivers (106) over Romo (109). Maybe that was a bad move on my part, but I just like Rivers so much. He looked so good last year and that poured into this preseason.

But I notice QBs tend to go fast in our league. Last year I lost track and wound up with Flacco and Dalton late.

I had the 7th pick this year in a 10 person league. I picked Rodgers in the second round because Brees and Manning were already gone.

TE's have a tendency to stick around.

agf.

I hope they wind up splitting carries. My RB's stink, I'm still ticked that the computer hangs right when I pick.

I would say 13 is maxed out...

Here's my team from the 11th pick (ie right after his) in that league:

QBs - RGIII, Wilson
RBs - P. Thomas, MJD, Greene
WRs - Dez, Julio, Fitz, Edelman, Welker, Britt, Hawkins, Hurns
TEs - Gronk, H. Miller

Yes the RBs are crap, but you only have to start 1 (and then go 4 WR).

yikes. I don't like your RB situation at all(thank you captain obvious), but it's compounded by your QB situation which I also don't like. I like your top 4 WR's and Gronk has upside with risk.

and can start 4 wrs in a PPR you should be fine...I think you end up starting Wilson a lot over RG3...

you may be able to even trade one of your Wrs for a RB if you wanted...

In comment 11829255 kmed said:

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I disagree with him when he says Dez is a risk because Ball is a risk and then cites Dez getting hurt and suspended. Yet Dez hasn't been suspended and hasn't missed a game in 2 years despite having a 2 year history of being a top fantasy WR. Am I wrong for "shitting on him" about that??

See, I'm being misquoted. I didn't say Dez was a risk because Ball was a risk, I simply pointed out that they both have risks - mutually exclusive of each other. I said Dez has been injured. and I'll give you an example. 2012 I had Dez on my team and he was unreal. He landed on his hand and injured his thumb (might have been the game against the Giants where he was OB to lose the game for them). He was a GTD the next week and had 1 catch for 15 yards.

but I think there are a good 10-11 better options than Wilson too.

In comment 11829282 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 11829255 kmed said: Quote: I disagree with him when he says Dez is a risk because Ball is a risk and then cites Dez getting hurt and suspended. Yet Dez hasn't been suspended and hasn't missed a game in 2 years despite having a 2 year history of being a top fantasy WR. Am I wrong for "shitting on him" about that?? See, I'm being misquoted. I didn't say Dez was a risk because Ball was a risk, I simply pointed out that they both have risks - mutually exclusive of each other. I said Dez has been injured. and I'll give you an example. 2012 I had Dez on my team and he was unreal. He landed on his hand and injured his thumb (might have been the game against the Giants where he was OB to lose the game for them). He was a GTD the next week and had 1 catch for 15 yards.

Ok, let's go with that. Dez played through an injured finger 2 years ago and had 1 bad week so he's a risk. Dudes pretty much a guarantee to end up as a top WR.

I'm fucked. That would really suck

But I really don't like RG3 this year. I get that preseason is preseason, but he has looked like hot garbage.

As opposed to popular opinion, I don't think Russel Wilson is a good QB, but since he runs with the ball I'm sure he has fantasy value.

when I go WR heavy early, but they got snagged in front of me in this one.

they don't want him to run and I've yet to see him have any kind of success without running. Add in that he's a major injury risk and I wouldn't touch him beyond a late draft flier(which I know won't happen) at best.

this whole thing started because someone asked if they were alone thinking Bryant would be the #1 WR.

I have been hearing that a lot. In my keeper league one team traded their second round pick to move up in the first and take Dez.

All I said was Dez has as much risk being AFTER the other elite WR's (like megatron, Marshall, D-thomas, etc) as Ball does of not being a good 2nd round.

the comparison was made simply to highlight inherent risks with each player.

In fact if I had to wager, I'd say Ball has a better chance of outperforming his peer group (mid to late 2nd round RB's) than Dez does of his (top 5 WR's).

and gambled on RG3's potential at that point. Took Wilson as a safe insurance policy - low downside on him and he has some upside if his regular season looks anything like his preseason.

but unfortunately I think you are going to be cashing that in rather quickly.

not as pleased with that draft as I am with most of my others.

I was distracted in the beginning as I was wrapping up another draft for the first 30 minutes of this one, and was doing a poor job of tracking who was available.

He's just such a competitor at heart. He really has that kind of passion that any fan would want a player to have. But him being that competitive and a hot head could be a really bad combo if his team is playing really awful. Which has a decent shot of happening for the 'Boys this year. So with that, there are some self implode risks I guess. But it's also his contract year and Dez has only matured as the years went by. As a Dez Bryant owner, I'm not all that worried. I'm more worried about Romo staying healthy.

is that it's a contract year and he's asking for a lot of money that the boys don't seem to want to pay right now.

for Dez I mentioned weren't that he was going to have a bad year, just that he'd be behind the guys I'd draft him behind like Calvin Johnson, D. Thomas, and maybe even AJ Green, Brandon Marshall,could Julio Jones and even Jordy Nelson.

all those guys have risks too.

Romo, though, I think he could have his best season. I think the Cowboys offense is primed to light it up, and Dez of course will benefit from that. Best o-line they've had since the Aikman days, and a good group of weapons. And their D should keep the offense on the field.

I see Romo being on the cusp of the tier 1 QB's. He'll be behind Peyton, Brees, and Rodgers, but not many else I'd wager him to lag behind in terms of FFL points.

Of course in the end Stafford, Ryan, Brady, Foles, etc. could outscore him, but I'm gambling they don't.

in a non PPR league? Rankings have them pretty close, but AJ is safer.

from me.

I know you're not on the Lacy bandwagon, but what about Green or Lacy.

Green for me. Give me the sure thing every time. Lots of question marks around the 2nd tier backs and almost none around the top tier WR's(Thomas, Calvin, Dez, Green)

Green over Ball, but not Lacy.

but I also have a strong dislike of Green, for no real reason. I don't know if it's the Dalton factor or not, but I always have him lower than everyone else and always find a reason not to take him.

65-1057-7
97-1350-11
98-1426-11

He's about as sure a thing as you will find.

I'd rank it as Lacy, Green then Ball

I'm in a tough spot. I kept Jordan Cameron and Aaron Rodgers, but have the 4th pick in my draft. Best available are AP, Forte, Graham & Brees. If I hadn't kept a TE & QB, I'd have gone Graham or Brees after the first 3 go off the board. I'm left choosing between Lacy, Green and Ball.

Per someones (kmed?) request, here are some interesting notes on how the draft unfolded that could be of use to people drafting soon:

1. Running Backs - First 6 picks were RB in this order: AP, Mccoy, Charles, Forte, Lacy, Lynch.

5 more backs when in the next 9 picks. Leveon (8), Murray (11), Ball (12), Stacy (13), Foster (15).

Round 3 saw Tate, Martin, Morris, Spiller, Bernard come off the board in that order.

2. 3 QBs in first 2 rounds: Peyton (9), Rodgers (16), Brees (18). The usual suspects went in rounds 4-6. There was a TON of QB value late. If anything, I'd wait as long as possible on a QB. Guys like Cutler and Rivers were there at the end of the draft.

3. Seahawks were the first defense off the board in the 5th round.

4. WR is STACKED this year. There was a great wide receiver that I wanted to take in each of the first 7 rounds or so. If I learned anything it was to take the RB over the WR if there is one that you want. RBs dont fall.

5. Interesting picks and Steals of the draft, IMO: Calvin (10), Gronk (37), Floyd (54), Roddy White (55), Rice (68), Rudolph (78), MJD (80), Cameron (84), Rivers (87), Lamar Miller (90), Brady (97), Benjamin (104), Hopkins (106), Hunter (107), Pierce (110), Cutler (128), Manziel (132)

Hope this is helpful. Let me know if you have any questions.

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is without a doubt top 10 overall player.

But when comparing him with Lacy, I think Lacy has the potential to nudge himself into that elite group of RB's make the core 4 and core 5 with him, McCoy, Charles, Forte, and AP.

You take one of them over a WR.

He's on a great offense with a favorable schedule. other than opening Thurs might in Seattle.

How do you view Brees vs Rodgers? Not really sure why, but I really want Brees over Rodgers.

I lean towards the sure thing. Lacy has potential. Ball has potential. Green is as close to a guarantee that you'll find which is why I have him ranked higher. That's just how I roll, it's just my personal strategy.

PPR as well -

QB - P.Manning
QB - A.Luck
RB - A.Ellington
RB - R.Jennings
WR - A.Brown
WR - J.Nelson
WR - M.Crabtree
FLEX - J.Bell
TE - K.Rudolph
K - A.Henery
D - Bills
BN - R.Tannehill
BN - P.Thomas
BN - K.Benjamin
BN - L.Miller
BN - A.Williams
BN - D.Hopkins
BN - H.Miller

I'm guessing my team is stacked. I only really have to concern myself w/ who my flex is each week.

picked 4th. Yes, Peyton went 4th in a 2 QB league.

I also really hope my draft unfolds exactly like that. Seems like the top 5 RB's are going 1-5 in almost every draft that people post. I hope people start reaching for the next two tiers in the next two rounds because it's going to leave some studly WR's available.

AJ is a monster.

I was a big Julio over AJ guy their rookie season because I felt like Julio would see a lot of single coverage with Roddy on the other side and that his QB sitch was much better (at the time, Dalton was a complete unknown) and I just didn't see how AJ was going to be a stud but he was and he is.

Calvin and Demariyus are basically the only 2 WR's I am taking ahead of AJ. I like AJ slightly more than Dez.

Only reason why I didn't was because of having a new OC and Dallas having an absolutely dreadful defense. Romo is forced to sling it 24/7.

AJ Green is a rock though. I love him so much as a player. Easiest guy to root for.

Brees and Rodgers are close but I think I agree Brees gets the nod, mostly b/c I think the Pats will feed Lacy a ton this year. Bottom line is that they always go earlier than I would take them so I haven't given it a ton of thought.

There were studly WRs available everywhere. I felt I stole Demaryius at 14 and I had Green, Bryant (fell to 20!), Jones, Marshall.

Based on how things fell, I really like the first 5 picks. I'd be happy with taking someone like Forte and then hoping to get Dez round 2 and then Jordy in round 3.

...

Thomas at 14 is insane as is those others at 20. I do think the top 3 QB's are good value in the 2nd round though. Even though there are other great values very late.

In comment 11829361 kmed said:

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I lean towards the sure thing. Lacy has potential. Ball has potential. Green is as close to a guarantee that you'll find which is why I have him ranked higher. That's just how I roll, it's just my personal strategy.

Lacy's potential vs. Ball's potential are different things.

as a rookie Lacy had 1200 yards and 11 TD's. last year. with another 35 catches for over 250 yards.

that's no longer potential.

Ball agree, which is why I say Green over Ball - in fact that's a no-brainer.

i get a late first round pick in my 12 team league but knowing my luck i will draw one of the top 5 picks and be forced to go with 1 of the RBs...

In my 12 team everyone is RB happy except for maybe 2 players other than me who think outside of RB in the first 2 rounds...if i get 8-10 i will be very happy...

any combination of Dez, Thomas and Green with another top WR and i am going to be a very happy man...

7 of Lacy's 11 TD's came in games that Rodgers did not play. He had ONE 100 yard rushing game when Rodgers played. 21 of his 35 catches came in the 8 games Rodgers was out.

21 of his 35 catches came in the 7 games rodgers was out.

So in Rodgers 9 games, Lacy had one 100 yard rushing game, 4 td's and 14 catches.

than Ball but not more than Calvin, Dez or AJ...if those 3 are off the board and Lacy is there i would go Lacy...

In comment 11829403 kmed said:

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7 of Lacy's 11 TD's came in games that Rodgers did not play. He had ONE 100 yard rushing game when Rodgers played. 21 of his 35 catches came in the 8 games Rodgers was out.

So when Scott Tolzien is the Qb and the defense put 8 men in the box daring the team to run, and they do successfully, that's no longer potential.

that's reliable talent.

With Rodgers they still tried to force things through the air because that has worked in the past, I don't expect them to do that now that they've learned they don't have to.

but I can argue that Rodgers and GB like to throw the ball a lot and they like to throw the ball down the field. It also means less goalline carries for Lacy.

change their offensive philosophy, then I'd agree with you that Lacy is a worthy 1st round pick and probably close to AJ Green. I don't believe that will be the case though.

In comment 11829444 kmed said:

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but I can argue that Rodgers and GB like to throw the ball a lot and they like to throw the ball down the field. It also means less goalline carries for Lacy.

Kuhn getting goal line carries would worry more than Rodgers and the offense. But those things work themselves out.

In comment 11829445 kmed said:

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change their offensive philosophy, then I'd agree with you that Lacy is a worthy 1st round pick and probably close to AJ Green. I don't believe that will be the case though.

Not completely, but a little change I think, you don't draft Eddie Lacy in the 2nd round to sit him on the bench, you draft him to use him. Plus Rodgers takes a beating. I think they'd like to run more.

Its an argument of where do you take him? a lot of people will take him 5 behind the top 4 RBs...

I take him after Calvin, Demaryius and Dez...

its all based on your preference and strategy...i dont think anyone is argueing his talent...

In 2013 the Packers were 5th in rushing TD's with 17 total.
In 2012 the Packers were 26th in rushing TD's with 9.
In 2011 the Packers were 18th in rushing TD's with 12.
In 2010 the Packers were 20th with 11.

They like to throw the ball deep and they hit a lot of HR's throwing the ball.

In comment 11829471 nygiants16 said:

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Its an argument of where do you take him? a lot of people will take him 5 behind the top 4 RBs... I take him after Calvin, Demaryius and Dez... its all based on your preference and strategy...i dont think anyone is argueing his talent...

Agree, I said I'd take him ahead of Green, Kmed wouldn't.

I'm educating him.

In comment 11829483 kmed said:

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In 2013 the Packers were 5th in rushing TD's with 17 total. In 2012 the Packers were 26th in rushing TD's with 9. In 2011 the Packers were 18th in rushing TD's with 12. In 2010 the Packers were 20th with 11. They like to throw the ball deep and they hit a lot of HR's throwing the ball.

Two things were unique about 2013, one Rodgers was injured, and two they had their best RB since Ahman Green.

So I think the jury is out as to how much they run.

as the reason, not that they felt like they had to feed Lacy. Of course with just 4 TD's in the 9 Rodgers games, I'd say the stats lean towards my line of thinking.

Lacy and Green are very close in value but I think I'd take AJ.

It's actually hard for me to envision taking Lacy because I don't think I feel confident enough about him in the spots where he's generally being drafted.

I wouldn't take him in the top 5 and if, say... McCoy, Charles, AP, Forte and Lynch (or another RB) go top 5 and I am picking 6th-10th, I am looking to take an elite, top tier guy at a different position.. so I'm looking for Peyton, Calvin, Demaryius or maybe Graham.

If I come back and Lacy is still there in the early/mid 2nd, I gladly take him there. But he wouldn't be.

this whole conversation is exactly my point. There are all these questions about Lacy. Did they run more because Rodgers was out or because Lacy is so good? Did they ahve more rushing td's than ever before because of Lacy or beacsue they changed their offense? These are all ???'s that the top tier WR's don't have which is why I will lean towards teh WR's.

played 8 games. so double the total for Lacy to 8 TD's and he's top 10 for TD's - as a rookie.

One less rushing TD than Matt Forte and LeSean McCoy.

Not so sure you're helping yourself here.

is that you can't point your finger as to why his production fluctuated, but an educated guess would be that Rodgers was no longer passing downfield at a high rate, like he will be doing this year.

I'm taking Green over Lacy as well, especially in a PPR. The difference in catches, say 100 for Green and 40 (generous) for Lacy is 60 points in a PPR and 30 in a .5 PPR. Add in the likelihood of Green having more total TD's and its a no brainer as they will probably have the same total yards.

In comment 11829524 UConn4523 said:

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is that you can't point your finger as to why his production fluctuated, but an educated guess would be that Rodgers was no longer passing downfield at a high rate, like he will be doing this year. I'm taking Green over Lacy as well, especially in a PPR. The difference in catches, say 100 for Green and 40 (generous) for Lacy is 60 points in a PPR and 30 in a .5 PPR. Add in the likelihood of Green having more total TD's and its a no brainer as they will probably have the same total yards.

this was non-ppr

now starter in Miami or is it Lamar Miller (they talked up Miller as McCoy-esque)

Can't get a read on this situation

as for Lacy, non-PPR certainly makes it closer. I'd still rather the stud WR. I get more sour on RB's as the years go on.

In comment 11829534 UConn4523 said:

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as for Lacy, non-PPR certainly makes it closer. I'd still rather the stud WR. I get more sour on RB's as the years go on.

I'm not implying it's a landslide. And yes, I do feel like there is some projection with Lacy, but I also feel like it's warranted.

Neck and neck but I put Lacy in that core 4 RB group who you draft before WR's.

I would not be the least bit surprised to see Lacy lead the league in rushing this year. In fact I half expect it.

its a flip between Aj and Lacy especially in non-ppr but i can not agree with taking him ahead of Calvin, Thomas and Dez...If i am sitting at 5 and the core 4 RBs are gone i am going Calvin and not thinking twice...

I would be very surprised if Lacy led the league in rushing this year.

In comment 11829549 nygiants16 said:

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its a flip between Aj and Lacy especially in non-ppr but i can not agree with taking him ahead of Calvin, Thomas and Dez...If i am sitting at 5 and the core 4 RBs are gone i am going Calvin and not thinking twice...

yes, to clarify this year (I worded my post poorly) - it's the core 4 then the other elite WR's (johnson, bryant, thomas), I'm saying next year (assuming status quo otherwise) he's going to make it a core 5.

In comment 11829554 arcarsenal said:

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I would be very surprised if Lacy led the league in rushing this year.

Bovado has him 4th at 10:1 behind only McCoy, Charles, and Peterson - all three of those guys have a lot of miles on their tires the past few years.

Lacy doesn't sniff the lead league in rushing yards. He'd need 3 or 4 guys to get injured, probably closer to 5 or 6 guys.

I'd put my money on Charles if he plays all 16 games.

doesn't give more value than McCoy, Charles, AP, or Forte. I think people forget Forte over 1900 yards last year. At 75% that's till likely more yards than Lacy sees this year.

QB's Newton, Kap
RB Foster, Bell Pitt, Ellington, Vereen
WR CJ, Dez, E Sanders, Kendall Wright
TE Pitna
D San Fran
K Gould

In comment 11829565 UConn4523 said:

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Lacy doesn't sniff the lead league in rushing yards. He'd need 3 or 4 guys to get injured, probably closer to 5 or 6 guys.

LOL, I love meaningless guarantees.

In comment 11829578 Carl in CT said:

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QB's Newton, Kap RB Foster, Bell Pitt, Ellington, Vereen WR CJ, Dez, E Sanders, Kendall Wright TE Pitna D San Fran K Gould

8 team league?

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In comment 11829565 UConn4523 said: Quote: Lacy doesn't sniff the lead league in rushing yards. He'd need 3 or 4 guys to get injured, probably closer to 5 or 6 guys. LOL, I love meaningless guarantees.

Its not a meaningless guarantee. Please tell me how, other than injruies, he has more yards than McCoy, Charles, AP, or Forte? That's 4 he will not surpass unless Rodgers misses time, or if any of those 4 get hurt.

I'd put him as an outside chance at the 5th spot, battling with Lynch and Murray.

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In comment 11829580 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 11829565 UConn4523 said: Quote: Lacy doesn't sniff the lead league in rushing yards. He'd need 3 or 4 guys to get injured, probably closer to 5 or 6 guys. LOL, I love meaningless guarantees. Its not a meaningless guarantee. Please tell me how, other than injruies, he has more yards than McCoy, Charles, AP, or Forte? That's 4 he will not surpass unless Rodgers misses time, or if any of those 4 get hurt. I'd put him as an outside chance at the 5th spot, battling with Lynch and Murray.

Nothing is guaranteed. In forte's career he's only surpassed Lacy's rookie rushing total twice.

Same with LeSean McCoy - in fact last year was so much of an outlier for McCoy in terms of attempts; sure Kelly's offense helped (a lot), but expect a regression, not a progression IMO.

Peterson is the only one who would IMO need something catastrophic to happen.

And that's why the money has Lacy 4th. So if the guy who is rated by Bovado as 4th best odds to win the rushing title, wins it, that's not much a surprise to me.

you seem convinced which is fine. I happen to disagree.

Forte, McCoy, and Charles will all have considerable more yards receiving, and AP may too in his new offense.

So from a fantasy perspective, regardless of PPR, i don't see how Lacy should be taken over those guys unless you are predicting an injury.

In comment 11829622 UConn4523 said:

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you seem convinced which is fine. I happen to disagree.

LOL, I'm not convinced, I said "I wouldn't be surprised"

I don't have Lacy in either of my league's so I'll be rooting against it.

LOL

In comment 11829634 UConn4523 said:

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Forte, McCoy, and Charles will all have considerable more yards receiving, and AP may too in his new offense. So from a fantasy perspective, regardless of PPR, i don't see how Lacy should be taken over those guys unless you are predicting an injury.

Agree, never said he should be. Or Dez Bryant, or Calvin Johnson, or Demaryius Thomas.

I said I'd take him over AJ Green.

Most of the guys I was targeting for mid draft were taken way earlier than I was willing to take them. First five were McCoy, Charles, Forte, AP, Lacy....

QB: Brees(2)
WR1:Calvin(1)
WR2:Cruz(4)
WR3:Maclin(7)
RB1:Bernard(3)
RB2:Jennings(5)
TE:Davis(6)
Flex:Sankey(8), Golden Tate(9), Olsen(10), Steve Smith(11)

Cam Newton(12)
Danny Amendola(13)
Carlos Hyde(14)
Pitt(15)
Vinatieri(16)

As you can hope for. I wasn't as high on Jennings as others first, but he's great value in the 5th round.

I really don't like your other 2 starting WRs. I think Cruz is going to have a major struggle this year. I know you feel differently. I'm not a big Maclin fan, especially as a 3rd WR, but you should be able to fill that hole on the wire.

As a side note, Jeremy Hill is killing it in his 4th preseason game. He has the talent to eat into some of Gio's workload by midseason.

Just your team?

Just sayin...

No way is he worth a 3. Better grabbing Antonio Brown/Julio Jones/Gronk and looking for a RB later.

I wasn't happy taking Maclin either, but we start 3 WR's and a flex and the flex in PPR leagues should usually be WR's. I really thought I'd have better WR's after Cruz, but it just didn't work out that way. TY was taken in rd 6, Wayne in rd 7. I had a choice at 15 as Lynch fell to me, but I pulled the trigger on Brees. I was torn on that one. Lynch went 16. All of my 2nd/3rd tier WR's were gone by my 4th pick as Garcon, Fitz, White went in rd 4 after me. Crabtree and Edelman went in rd 5.

I took the last of the top 3 QB's and stafford went in rd 5, Luck in 6 and then Brady in 8(2 picks before me). Most people had the same strategy to wait on qb's if they didn't get a top one.

is looking pretty bad after this nagging rib injury. I still absolutely love his talent, still think he's the best WR talent to enter the league since Calvin. But a nagging injury like this before you play your 1st game is a bad sign. Combined with the shitty QB situation around him (not a new development, I know), I'm definitely lower on him than I was 2 weeks or so ago. But I still plan on scooping him up in my 14 team draft this Monday if the value is right.

whether he gets 75 or 60% of the touches. He was the 12th ranked RB last year despite splitting carries and not even getting touches until week 3. He's going to catch a ton of passes and get some goalline work with those "splits". I'm not worried about him. He's not someone I targetted because he was going in rd 2, but he's a steal in rd3.

in rd9.

In comment 11830441 Rocky Thompson said:

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No way is he worth a 3. Better grabbing Antonio Brown/Julio Jones/Gronk and looking for a RB later.

If only I was drafting with a bunch of morons. Julio went with the first pick in rd 2, Brown went late in rd 2. The 4 picks after me taking Gio...Martin, Bush, Gronk, Foster.

But with how QB favored your league is, you most likely made the right call. It's not as if you're weak at RB anyway. You should do just fine there. I think you would have been better off taking a Marques Colston or an Emmanuel Sanders instead of Maclin.

I like Steve Smith though. Amendola can also be a legitimate threat if he's healthy, which is a huge if. I have him on my team as well.

VJax, Allen, Andre Johnson, Cruz(me), Garcon

he went 5 picks before my Maclin pick. I'm telling you, there was slim pickings at WR in rd 7. Colston went a few picks after me in rd 8, probably would have been a good move to get the brees-colston combo.

I don't love the WR's but I think Gio and RJ are a real solid RB 1 & 2.. I'm actually much higher on RJ now than I was a couple weeks ago. I loved him as a player but just wasn't sure how our run game was going to look. I'm pretty confident now that we're going to be able to run the ball well this year even if the passing game struggles, so.. while I wouldn't be thrilled with him as my best RB, I absolutely love him as a RB2.

Cruz is a guy I just think I am going to avoid unless he really drops. I just don't have faith in our pass offense right now. It might be ok after a few weeks but I think it's going to be a definite work in progress. Having Mega will definitely help you, though. Maclin.. if he stays healthy he should put up numbers. We'll see.

Love your QB's. I doubt anyone in your league has a better pair than Brees/Cam.

If I can manage to get him as my WR3 somehow I will be ecstatic.

Yeah, that's unfortunate. WRs are pretty easy to replace. You have some guys on the bench at WR that can surprise.

Again. Megatron, Brees, and Gio is as good as it gets.

is that he is relying on a WR/RB tandem from the same team. A combo on what looks like one of the worst offenses in the preseason.

I picked Sanders 20 picks after Maclin got drafted. #humblebrag

Crazy how one preseason game skyrocketed his value.

Because I was targeting him before that and was really high on him but now I know he's going to be harder to get because someone will probably go above his value and reach a little. I don't want to be that guy because WR is deep.

I don't like this team much, but I think I have a chance to make the playoffs.

12 team, 0.5 PPR, auction draft.

QB- Aaron Rodgers
WR- Larry Fitzgerald
WR- Victor Cruz
WR- Marques Colston
RB- Rashad Jennings
RB- CJ Spiller
TE- Jordan Reed
Flex- Trent Richardson
Flex- Terrance Williams

Bench:
Phillip Rivers
Wes Welker
Eli Manning
Heath Miller
Jonathan Stewart
Steve Smith
Donald Brown

your QB's, but really a 3rd QB?

Where is devonta freeman going in your drafts? I got in him in the 14th, and i think he could be one of those rookie RB's to make an impact.

10 team, no ppr, I had he 8th slot .

QB Stafford
RB Lacy
RB Ellington
WR AJ Green
WR Jeffery
TE Olsen
FLEX Cruz
D/ST Seattle
K Novak

Bench
RB S Jackson
WR S Watkins
RB D Brown
WR M Evans
RB B Pierce
WR Amendola
TE C Clay

I've said this a week or so ago, but you definitely get a little gut check when the pre season isn't laying everything out for you on who's performing well, how many 1st team snaps he gets, etc.

If I had my draft today, I wouldn't have took LeVeon Bell so early. I underestimated how many snaps Blount would get. I thought Bell was going to be a true workhorse. But I also got what I believe to be value picks in guys like Sanders and Vereen. It's a two way street and makes it more fun IMO.

The preseason injuries are a real downside to early drafting, but it's part of the game too.

Phenomenal team. Your team would kick kmeds teams ass.

but I'm curious, who went where? Lacy at 8, AJ in rd 2, Jeffery in rd 3 and Ellington in rd 4? Then Cruz made it all the way back to rd 5? Then Stafford in 6? Cmon, how can you even compare that to any other league?

I'm assuming that cannot actually be a money league and is just a casual for fun league with co-workers/friends. There's no way people put good money into that and let GP build that kind of roster. Taking candy from a baby.

Haha.. Definitely a money league with some solid football guys.

Lacy Rd 1.
Green Rd 2.
Jeffery Rd 3.
Ellington Rd 4.
Stafford Rd 5.
Cruz Rd 6.
Jackson Rd 7.
Olsen Rd 8.
Seahawks Rd 9.
Watkins Rd 10.
Brown Rd 11.
Evans Rd 12.
Pierce Rd 13.
Amendola Rd 14.
Novak Rd 15.
Clay Rd 16.

I don't know how he ended up with such a great roster, with such solid receivers and RBs. But this is my team below:

QB Cam Newton
WR1 Demaryius Thomas
WR2 Keenan Allen
RB1 Montee Ball
RB2 Giovani Bernard
FLEX CJ Spiller
TE Jordan Reed
PK Steven Hauschka
DEF Bengals

BENCH
WR Percy Harvin
RB Maurice Jones-Drew
WR Rueben Randle
WR Erik Decker
WR Rod Streater
RB Devonta Freeman
TE Antonio Gates

the sites that rate my squad say I only have about a 60-75% chance of making the playoffs with good inseason roster management. They're not very high on my RBs.

don't add in 2 more managers?

I find 10 team leagues cheapen things. Digging deep isn't really required. 24 less players is a huge difference, and lessens the amount of luck involved, even if only a little bit.

but we added an extra roster spot to make it a little deeper. 3 WR's, 2 RB's and a Flex.

UConn.. my league is 10 teams but we do 8 bench spots, so.. you do kind of have to do a little digging and use those extra spots wisely. Sometimes the guys that get taken really late to fill back end bench spots wind up being difference makers. And it's less likely that that RB that gets a chance due to an injury will be a FA.. someone will probably have him rostered.

I do find myself working harder on the 12 team league rather than the 10 but both are fun...the 12 team league is my big money league and the 10 is a lot less money but fun becausew i do it with my dad...

got my draft tomorrow for my 12 is it weird i am hoping i am in the back half of the draft...i know the top 4 you will get a top RB but i am kind of hoping to be in that 7-10 range to get a top WR and either another top WR or the RB that falls to me like Lynch...

leagues are the only way to go, IMO. 10 team leagues are easier to navigate through. I did learn how to play fantasy football in 10 team leagues though.

15 roster spots starting QB, RBx2, WRx2, TE, Flex x2, DEF with 6 bench spots.

we knocked off 1 bench spot and added the 2nd flex since it forced you to play another player that may not be a stud, and keep you from stashing too many players. Makes drafting more important i have found.

that just adds more luck to the equation. With that thin of a league, if your first round pick goes down, you are screwed. I'm all about the 10 team leagues, I don't like the 12 team leagues. We added an extra starter to offset everyone having a great team and to me, it's perfect.

injuries are part of the game, which is why i hedge my early picks with likelihood of getting injured. Having too many bench spots lets people hold on to so many back-up RB's that there isn't much activity in following closely week to week.

In any case, was just wondering how everyone else does it.

I don't like having too many because it takes the waiver wire out of the equation.

didn't physically see him yesterday, but I followed the first half. Tennesse barely had the ball since they couldn't stop the Vikings drives but Sankey ripped off a couple bigger runs and caught a pass.

He's clearly the most talented by a substantial margin. Just a matter of them committing to him and dealing with whatever mental mistakes he may make.

Just Hunter looks like he will have a bright future. Glad a got him late.

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leagues are the only way to go, IMO. 10 team leagues are easier to navigate through. I did learn how to play fantasy football in 10 team leagues though.

If your goal is to win money, why wouldn't you want 10 team if it's easier to navigate through, whatever that means.

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In comment 11831116 EricNY33 said: Quote: leagues are the only way to go, IMO. 10 team leagues are easier to navigate through. I did learn how to play fantasy football in 10 team leagues though. If your goal is to win money, why wouldn't you want 10 team if it's easier to navigate through, whatever that means.

It's easier to navigate when you have better talent available to you.

I like it when a league is more of a challenge.

I want to win, and the only thing I like about 12-team better than 10 team is there is usually more money.

But less margin for error in 12-team, you can be eliminated a lot easier with a major injury or poor performer than you can in 10-team, I like the recovery ability and still feel like it rewards the more prepared people.

but I take more pleasure in beating my friends. I've been playing with the same guys for 13 years now. Its way more for when its more competitive.

but if it was free or if we did do it, people would lose interest once they were somewhat eliminated.