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Media starting to really turn on Manning?

Andy in Boston : 8/29/2014 9:50 am
Eli deserves some of the criticism he's getting....he's played poorly...and its been 2+ years. I think the media is starting to turn on him and be more reactive than in the past. The fans and media are starting to grow impatient.

Perfect example...last night when the "miscommunication" throw to Randle happened. NYP's Paul Schwartz immediately tweeted something like "horrible misfired throw". Turns out it wasn't Eli's full fault, but yet another "miscommunication."

And then Connor's comments this a.m....pretty scathing.
Clearly Eli isn't getting a pass anymore....and I'm ok with it. If he's doesn't turn it around in the 1st 2-3 games....how long before fans/media start calling for Nassib?
Thoughts?

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Coming from a guy who says "I wasn't here last year" about players  
Headhunter : 8/29/2014 10:20 am : link
And then Connor's comments this a.m....pretty scathing.
Clearly Eli isn't getting a pass anymore....and I'm ok with it. If he's doesn't turn it around in the 1st 2-3 games....how long before fans/media start calling for Nassib?
Thoughts?
I just hope someone asks him if he still thinks he's Elite.  
BeerFridge : 8/29/2014 10:21 am : link
That would definitely help.
RE: Eli's 2012  
UConn4523 : 8/29/2014 10:24 am : link
In comment 11831215 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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Cmp%: 59.9%
Yds: 3948
TDs: 26
Int: 15
Y/A: 7.4

Was 2012 a year of "terrible" play from Eli? Especially in light of the line coming apart at the seams?


Very similar to Brady last season. Granted their offseason last year was brutal, but shit happens I guess. I'd love Eli to have had Brady's O-line last year, even with their depleted offensive weapons.
Holy shit you can't be serious..  
JCin332 : 8/29/2014 10:29 am : link
when has the "media" ever been fair with him..

The guy has been bad for one season...2013...and this was with the worst OL in the NFL and no running game..

Yet people like you say "but Eli has to play better"...no QB in the league would have succeeded last year with this supporting cast..

And my guess if we could see an archive of your posting history we would see you wanting to to get rid of him after 2006...silent after 2007 then repeat in 2010 and now after a year where no one could succeed you are on him again..
I'll bet there were fans in Philly  
WillieYoung : 8/29/2014 10:30 am : link
who thought Washington got a steal when they traded for McNabb. NFL stands for Not For Long and if you evaluate talent with your heart instead of your head, you end up with 18 years of lousy football. I won't panic over a pathetic pre-season but if this continues into the regular season, the two Superbowl MVPs should mean absolutely nothing.
This same media wasn't too kind of Phil Simms  
PeterS : 8/29/2014 10:32 am : link
either.
If you think it's bad now....  
Wonderphil11 : 8/29/2014 10:33 am : link
just wait to see the avalanche sure to come if Eli and the Offense shit the bed on MNF.
Right now, this offense can't execute....  
Crispino : 8/29/2014 10:33 am : link
the most basic pass plays. Of course he's going to take hits for missing on those. He had zero or one completion in 3 of his 5 appearances this pre season. You think people are going to be singing his praises?
The media  
JoefromPa : 8/29/2014 10:45 am : link
has always seen Manning from a perspective of the glass is half empty. Only grudgingly did he get credit when he won Super Bowls. But the collateral from those seasons never lasted as long as it did for someone like Brady, Brees, or Eli's brother.
Must admit,  
Doomster : 8/29/2014 10:46 am : link
he has given them plenty of ammunition to shoot him down....

A fast start, and all is forgotten....
RE: RE: Eli's 2012  
Toth029 : 8/29/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 11831227 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 11831215 armsteadeatslittlekids said:


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Cmp%: 59.9%
Yds: 3948
TDs: 26
Int: 15
Y/A: 7.4

Was 2012 a year of "terrible" play from Eli? Especially in light of the line coming apart at the seams?



Very similar to Brady last season. Granted their offseason last year was brutal, but shit happens I guess. I'd love Eli to have had Brady's O-line last year, even with their depleted offensive weapons.

As if the Giants weapons in 2013 and now are even remotely good.
I'm more concerned about his receivers, than I am about him.  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 8/29/2014 10:49 am : link
The haven't helped him out at all. Wrong routes dropped balls, they haven't looked good. O Line hasn't helped much either.
For once, can't really blame the media.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/29/2014 10:51 am : link
The offense has been bad for about 1.5 years. And for all but ONE drive this pre-season, the starting offense looked terrible.
Eli and the offense have done nothing in the  
GIANTS128 : 8/29/2014 10:52 am : link
preseason for anyone to say they are making progress. Thats just a fact. All we real fans can do is hope for the best. My feeling is the season will start slow and then get better. Hopefully we dont go 0-4 to start. If we can go 2-2 while working out the kinks Ill be happy for the time being.
teams install a new offense all the time  
AnyoneButPhilly : 8/29/2014 11:03 am : link
And are immediately successful. Eli is a high IQ guy so I'm not buying this giving him a pass this season to learn the new offense. We aren't talking about Vince Young here.
Say what you want about Nassib  
Fast Eddie : 8/29/2014 11:03 am : link
But the offense seems to pick up the pace when he is in there
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arcarsenal : 8/29/2014 11:09 am : link
Well, we still haven't played a full game that matters. I'd need to see at least a couple of regular season games full of ineptitude before I decide that Eli can't wing it anymore.

There are plenty of warning signs but putting too much stock in pre-season can be dangerous.
Eli's Not a Victim  
Jeffrey : 8/29/2014 11:11 am : link
Some criticism is unfair, some is not. He has not played well for whatever reason. He has in the past been erratic but always clutch when needed. But the bottom line is Eli is one of the highest paid players in the NFL and his salary does not go away when he throws an interception or makes a bad decision. So yes some reporters are harsh, but which one has actually misstated the manner in which Eli has played this year. It will work out but it is ridiculous to overreact to preseason play by Eli or to preseason reporting about his play.
He's been Bad  
Rflairr : 8/29/2014 11:19 am : link
At some point people have to stop blaming everyone but him
RE: He's been Bad  
montanagiant : 8/29/2014 12:07 pm : link
In comment 11831362 Rflairr said:
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At some point people have to stop blaming everyone but him

He does need to do better. But can you tell me what QB would have done well last year with our O-line and a WR who gave up?
^ Yep I agree  
Blue21 : 8/29/2014 12:07 pm : link
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One word to describe the media: groupthink.  
Bobby Epps : 8/29/2014 12:19 pm : link
Remember when EVERY member of the media said that Nassib was terrible, mistaken draft choice, may not make the team blah, blah. Now EVERY writer says he plays well, best QB in that game blah, blah.

Very little analysis or originality from any of the beat writers, especially when they quote PFF statistics all the time. Statistics are fine (even though Mark Twain said, "There are lies, then damned lies and then statistics") but how about telling us what caused a positive or negative PFF statistic.
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SHO'NUFF : 8/30/2014 4:00 am : link
The best part about all of this  
SethFromAstoria : 8/30/2014 4:32 am : link
is that the team doesn't actually pay attention to all of the ridiculous BS that people shout about on talk radio or write in the papers. They don't pay any mind to the rabble and thank goodness they don't. THe media and fans can lose their shit daily about Eli and in the end guess what....

Eli is the QB. Will be the QB. Is the best QB the team has ever had. And there ain't a damn thing that any dopey fan or media member can do about it.

The fans can dominate the airwaves with their insane opinions and the media can force feed storylines down everyone's throat and in the end the organization knows enough to laugh it off, shrug it off, and worry about winning titles with this QB. There probably isn't anyone who knows better than the Giants coach and front office, how absurd it all sounds. They can think he can play better, they can think he had a bad throw or a bad game or even a lackluster season but there isn't one moment of thought that Eli Manning shouldn't be the quarterback. And this fan is thankful for that. Kick and scream all you want, but too bad to all the suckers who don't seem to get it.
2012 is a myth  
lalalalala : 8/30/2014 8:29 am : link
The offense just stopped working halfway through the season. He wasn't bad, just completely ineffective.
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SanFranGiantsFan : 8/30/2014 8:51 am : link
The media hasn't been in Eli's corner since the '04 draft.
Eli gets a pass from me.  
That Said : 8/30/2014 9:30 am : link
If he's on his way downhill, so be it. He did what he was brought here to do and he did it in grand fashion. I love the kid, warts and all.
The NY Media and especially its sports guys  
Montreal Man : 8/30/2014 9:39 am : link
always seem proud to be contrarian. Eli could have won three Super Bowls and they'd still be anti-Eli. Why? Because it's cooler to be against something than for it. Being against something shows you're "really thinking about stuff," because it suggests that you're more insightful. It's an ego thing. Also, they have to make a splash. There's so much competition. Do you stand out if you praise someone? Hardly -- unless it's some obscure player who's showing something -- then you're the explorer who may have found the fountain of youth. Clever you. So they put down in any way they can.
I can see Giants fans giving him a pass for current poor play.  
HelmetCatch : 8/30/2014 9:51 am : link
He's provided them many thrills. But why should media members refrain from reporting his drop off in performance?
Eli has played poorly for two plus years?  
djm : 8/30/2014 10:38 am : link
That's news to me...
RE: ...  
djm : 8/30/2014 10:41 am : link
In comment 11831146 yankees78 said:
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I'm already expecting the offense to look like a shit-show for a while and I have the patience. The media and some fans....nope.

I honestly feel that the people that will be calling for Nassib (and you know there will be with the first bad throw) need a cup of acid thrown in their face...but that's just me.


It's not just you.
RE: The best part about all of this  
djm : 8/30/2014 10:48 am : link
In comment 11832650 SethFromAstoria said:
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is that the team doesn't actually pay attention to all of the ridiculous BS that people shout about on talk radio or write in the papers. They don't pay any mind to the rabble and thank goodness they don't. THe media and fans can lose their shit daily about Eli and in the end guess what....

Eli is the QB. Will be the QB. Is the best QB the team has ever had. And there ain't a damn thing that any dopey fan or media member can do about it.

The fans can dominate the airwaves with their insane opinions and the media can force feed storylines down everyone's throat and in the end the organization knows enough to laugh it off, shrug it off, and worry about winning titles with this QB. There probably isn't anyone who knows better than the Giants coach and front office, how absurd it all sounds. They can think he can play better, they can think he had a bad throw or a bad game or even a lackluster season but there isn't one moment of thought that Eli Manning shouldn't be the quarterback. And this fan is thankful for that. Kick and scream all you want, but too bad to all the suckers who don't seem to get it.


Golf clap.
Media unfair to Eli?  
xman : 8/30/2014 11:38 am : link
I think that could be said to many Qb's if you want to see it that way. Why didn't Russel Wilson win the MVP of the SB with a 123 rating far better then anything Eli did in his MVP wins . Did the media treat him unfairly?
Probably because anyone with at least one eye and/or partial hearing  
Riggies : 8/30/2014 12:01 pm : link
knew this past SB was one of the few when you absolutely couldn't justify giving it to a QB, with how it played out.
What have you done for me lately?  
Spock : 8/30/2014 12:19 pm : link
Eli was great but has not been the past few years. He absolutely stunk last year and this preseason. Why should I feel good about him this year? We better not resign him and add years and we better not trade Nassib, our future. If we do either, we may regret either or both.
Maybe or maybe it is because Wilson  
xman : 8/30/2014 12:23 pm : link
was treated unfairly beacuse he did have the 8th highest SB QB rating ever. Maybe he didn't have the Manning star power. Maybe a defensive player stood out and was worthy of the award much like the Giants 2007 team defense that held the Patriot scoring machine in check in 07. Can't give the MVP to the Giant team D or to the DL who did their job above and beyond the call of duty. Eli was the golden boy and the media darling
El had an epic, all-time fourth quarter. That's why he won.  
Riggies : 8/30/2014 1:15 pm : link
The Giants defense was huge, but they still needed him to step up to win.

I think highly of Wilson in general, but on that night, you could honestly have replaced Wilson's superior passer rating performance with direct snapping to a RB and the Seahawks still win that game probably pretty easily.

I'm not even someone who whines about how unfair or mean the media is to the Giants/Eli, but I wonder what you've been sipping on to ever come to the conclusion that he's ever been some "media darling" or golden boy.

I think the local media has been complementary  
xman : 8/30/2014 1:48 pm : link
with Eli. They compliment him regarding his clutch play. The announcers talk about his come from behind 4th quarter victories as if they are recent. I think stoking athletes is the norm rather then being critical. They don't harp on Eli's shortcomings

Regarding the 07 SB rarely a mention is made of how incredible the Giants defense had to be to stone an offense that routinely put up 50 point games. If they had done their usual then the 17 points the Giants managed would have put then solidly in the loss column. That was what was what stood out but is burried under Eli and his MVP. Kind of like WILLIS Reed getting the MVP award while Clyde Frasier is putting up triple doubles
Eli won trophies because of  
Spock : 8/30/2014 2:18 pm : link
Last minute comebacks, plain and simple. Although he did have fortune smiling down upon him on both drives.

we all know our defense won both of those games.

Let's review the first SB win. Eli should have thrown an interception in that final series, that Patriot player missed an easy one, and then the long one that was miracously caught could easily have been a disaster. Obviously, if the interception was made, us scoring 13 points doesn't cut it.

The second SB was really about one key play. Yes it was a fantastic throw and catch. Without that drive, again, giants could have ruined a beautifully played game by our DEFENSE.

Eli has benefitted from great, and I mean great defensive play in both super bowls. Good thing, because we weren't winning any shoot outs.
Having said all that, me personally  
Spock : 8/30/2014 2:28 pm : link
I'm so grateful for two SB wins, he has a five year pass with me.m
Did you even watch XLII Spock?  
jcn56 : 8/30/2014 2:35 pm : link
If you did, I'm finding it very hard to take your opinion seriously, since you can't remember the player (Samuel) or the fact that it was off his fingertips at full extension, nothing near an 'easy interception'.

Manning took the 2011 season and ran away with it. We don't go to or win the SB without him. The D did a great job in XLII, but he kept us in it with a gimpy Burress and Tyree taking snaps that counted. To write it up as anything less is revisionist history.

The problem is that Eli hasn't been seen in almost two years, and now it's a question of whether or not we'll ever see him again.
Jcn  
Spock : 8/30/2014 2:45 pm : link
Sorry for these statins that I take, one of the side effects is memory loss or confusion, and I think that fits me. I thought it was Samuel, but wasn't 100 percent.

However, I think even you have to admit, if Samuel gets that pic, Eli gets no love for that game.

I know he was great in the prior playoff games, but we weren't talking about that. Stay focused (subject at hand-only super bowls) grasshopper.
To each his own interpretation  
Spock : 8/30/2014 2:53 pm : link
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Samuel - ( New Window )
If Samuel gets that pick, it's a pick  
jcn56 : 8/30/2014 2:56 pm : link
Problem is, it wasn't. It wasn't even a close one. And if it was, Samuel would have a promising career in basketball following that one.

And that defense was ranked #4 that season. Burress had hurt himself and was limited. Smith was still green, Toomer over the hill. Eli took those guys and kept us within striking distance the entire game, driving it home when it counted.

2 SB MVPs, and both of them well deserved. I wouldn't have lost any sleep if they had given it to Tuck, but both were equally deserving.

Whatever Eli's problem is, it's here and now. His legacy, his impact, his stats over the course of his tenure here are indisputable. The guy has done a great job, now it's time to see if he can keep performing or if his window has closed.
RE: To each his own interpretation  
jcn56 : 8/30/2014 2:58 pm : link
In comment 11833526 Spock said:
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. Samuel - ( New Window )


Only if you don't speak English. He's at peak height having jumped, his arms stretched out, and the ball bounces off the top of his fingertips.

If you consider that an 'easy interception', I'd wonder if you've ever actually watched an American football game.
Jcn  
Spock : 8/30/2014 2:59 pm : link
I have no desire to convince you to interpret that otherwise than how you see it. It's cool, but I'm not signing your petition.
RE: Jcn  
jcn56 : 8/30/2014 3:03 pm : link
In comment 11833538 Spock said:
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I have no desire to convince you to interpret that otherwise than how you see it. It's cool, but I'm not signing your petition.


That's fine. If you think that was an easy INT, I'm not sure signing your name is really in your wheelhouse anyway.
WHile we're talking about near interceptions  
SethFromAstoria : 8/30/2014 3:57 pm : link
I say we go back in time and watch every single play of every single Super Bowl and find plays that could have changed history. Would be fun. Or not.

While everyone looks at that Samuel missed INT, does anyone go back and look at Giants plays that could have made these games easier to win? Plays that the Giants just missed and would have made winning less of a struggle? I doubt it highly. Selective reasoning.
You mean the drive before  
PetesHereNow : 8/30/2014 4:12 pm : link
When Eli escaped the rush, rolled left, and just missed an open plax that would have been a huge gain and potentially a 17-7 Giants lead in the 4th?
This is simply mind blowing.  
BlueLou : 8/30/2014 4:50 pm : link
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The media
JoefromPa : 8/29/2014 10:45 am : link : reply
has always seen Manning from a perspective of the glass is half empty. Only grudgingly did he get credit when he won Super Bowls. But the collateral from those seasons never lasted as long as it did for someone like Brady, Brees, or Eli's brother.


So Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, and Tom Brady are media darlings because of "collateral" they've gotten from their SB victories? LOL
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