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Interesting comments from Eli on NFLN this morning

Brandon Walsh : 8/29/2014 11:06 am
Eli was on NFL AM this morning and said they went into the preseason games with the idea to work on the "plays that they needed more work on, against looks that they didn't see enough in practice"

Translation: the Giants purposely were running plays they sucked at to get better. Kind of makes sense in exhibition games.

Cruz has said the same in pretty much every interview the past three weeks.

Hearing Eli say this was very interesting and in my view great news as this the first anybody other than Cruz has brought this "practice the plays we suck at" concept up.

I'm pretty sure no one knows what our offense is going to look like Week 1, we will see a game plan to feature our strengths and Detroit's weaknesses(what a concept!). How some (most)Giants fans/media don't get that is beyond me

The sky is not falling. Relax.
That can be taken one of two ways.  
robbieballs2003 : 8/29/2014 11:09 am : link
One, you can look at it and say that those were our bad plays and we should be better. Or you can say that we haven't improved on our bad plays and we have no momentum/confidence heading into out week one matchup.
Right, and what seems to need  
barens : 8/29/2014 11:10 am : link
Work is the short passes, something the west coast offense was supposed to improve.
Translation to NFL defenses:  
Exit 172 : 8/29/2014 11:12 am : link
Run those looks against the Giants.
I wouldn't say "great news"...  
Dunedin81 : 8/29/2014 11:12 am : link
he's not going to get up there and say "I suck, this is what you can look forward to in the regular season."
Is there an iceberg...  
M.S. : 8/29/2014 11:13 am : link

..somewhere in this story?

actually  
Andy in Boston : 8/29/2014 11:13 am : link
that's somewhat reassuring...
Funny  
PEEJ : 8/29/2014 11:16 am : link
in practice reports it's "bombs away". In the game, IIRC, there was only one deep attempt
Like I said in another thread the season hasn't started yet  
PatersonPlank : 8/29/2014 11:18 am : link
Our 5-0 record should show anyone never to take preseason seriously. We are working on things, deciding who to cut, and deciding who plays where. Thats it.

That could be the case.  
AnishPatel : 8/29/2014 11:19 am : link
Some of the passing concepts ran for Nassib and Painter, weren't used when Eli was in the game. Where were the shallow crosses that JJ ran? Even the quick hitter to the TEs which we saw yesterday and the game before. We didn't run those with Eli. How many times did Eli actually throw to the TE?

So I could believe this just because some of the stuff we are running with the Nassib and Painter we weren't running with Eli.
RE: That could be the case.  
Brandon Walsh : 8/29/2014 11:20 am : link
In comment 11831366 AnishPatel said:
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Some of the passing concepts ran for Nassib and Painter, weren't used when Eli was in the game. Where were the shallow crosses that JJ ran? Even the quick hitter to the TEs which we saw yesterday and the game before. We didn't run those with Eli. How many times did Eli actually throw to the TE?

So I could believe this just because some of the stuff we are running with the Nassib and Painter we weren't running with Eli.


Thank you for the insight and adding something valuable to the thread unlike the idiots above.
I am happy with the run game  
larryflower37 : 8/29/2014 11:21 am : link
At this point. If we can be strong on the ground. It will take the pressure off of Eli.
Plus I think with this defense we will be grinding out wins in November and December. Like the old days
Look  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/29/2014 11:27 am : link
one thing we're going to see a TON of this year are passes to Rashad Jennings. They did that in the first preseason game and then stopped.

They are not running their base offense.
So, they've been sandbagging all along...  
Klaatu : 8/29/2014 11:33 am : link
But Eli gave it away this morning. Not cool.
Eli seemed very relaxed when interviewed durign the game  
UberAlias : 8/29/2014 11:37 am : link
I understand that is his demeanor, but there was zero hint of concerns and he truly did come off sounding like he is ready to go. I don't feel great about what I saw this PS, but I would not be surprised at all if they came out and looked a lot better against Detroit. I am not necessarily predicting it, but I know enough not to set expectations based on PS.
It's like a pitcher in baseball who gets rocked for  
kmed : 8/29/2014 11:37 am : link
7 runs but only because he's trying to add a curveball into his arsenal. People get way too hung up on some things in preseason(results).

That being said, blocking is blocking and making accurate throws is making accurate throws and we haven't seen enough consistency from both.
Eric,  
AnishPatel : 8/29/2014 11:38 am : link
Yeah I noticed it a lot especially with Eli getting ripped. Some of the passing concepts called for Nassib and Painter weren't called for Eli. I don't want to say it was more opened up, but the offense had a different vibe. I loved the shallow cross we ran with JJ. Where was that for Eli? Even the pass to the TE quickly, we didn't do that.

So if Eli says we were running plays that was the offenses weakness it would make sense considering Eli didn't look comfortable running it. Hence the weakness part of it.

Like I said, I want to see the offense for 3-4 regular season games where Ben M. can talk to the QBs on what to install. That will be telling for us.
if one takes time to read Eli's comment  
vince : 8/29/2014 11:39 am : link
I believe it becomes apparent that Eli is being told to run plays that have no bearing on the score. In reality for Eli this is a live scrimmage with his players to work out the kinks and to be able to go over those plays after seeing the film.

No matter the score how is THIS play working out?

Is the TE play one that should stay with that TE?

On a roll out what is everybody doing when the defense does......?

There should be much more of that..... BUT it was the last preseason game and both coaches needed to see more of their 2's, 3's and 4's. So the game was played as an exhibition of the player's capabilities during the game..

That's my take on whats been happening so far during the preseason.


I wish the giants didn't win the preseason games so the wins wouldn't give the fans a false idea of where the team is in actual capabilities.

And hopefully let the fans recognize that the coaches need to see everything from ALL their players


RE: Eli seemed very relaxed when interviewed durign the game  
kmed : 8/29/2014 11:40 am : link
In comment 11831403 UberAlias said:
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I understand that is his demeanor, but there was zero hint of concerns and he truly did come off sounding like he is ready to go. I don't feel great about what I saw this PS, but I would not be surprised at all if they came out and looked a lot better against Detroit. I am not necessarily predicting it, but I know enough not to set expectations based on PS.


TC didn't seem so relaxed when he spoke.
RE: RE: Eli seemed very relaxed when interviewed durign the game  
UberAlias : 8/29/2014 11:42 am : link
In comment 11831414 kmed said:
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In comment 11831403 UberAlias said:


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I understand that is his demeanor, but there was zero hint of concerns and he truly did come off sounding like he is ready to go. I don't feel great about what I saw this PS, but I would not be surprised at all if they came out and looked a lot better against Detroit. I am not necessarily predicting it, but I know enough not to set expectations based on PS.



TC didn't seem so relaxed when he spoke.


He definitely wasn't. But it is different for a coach like him. It is in the job description to be concerned.
When does TC ever look relaxed?  
Klaatu : 8/29/2014 11:42 am : link
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This is actually what I have been saying all morning  
Matt M. : 8/29/2014 11:43 am : link
The plays we ran with the starting offense looked very forced and specific. I don't think any of us has seen anything close to our actual offense this summer. If anything, Nassib and Painter ran more of our offense than Eli did...at least in preseason games.

I also agree with Eric that we are likely to see a lot of passes to Jennings, which we haven't seen a lot of yet. I only wish Williams was better at catching the ball.
RE: When does TC ever look relaxed?  
UberAlias : 8/29/2014 11:45 am : link
In comment 11831419 Klaatu said:
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He doesn't. And he is never going to look at it like we didn't do well but I'm not worried because we are only practicing different things. He is going to be concerned if the bottom line isn't there, regardless of the circumstances. That's his job.
They  
dorgan : 8/29/2014 11:48 am : link
weren't sandbagging, they were using practice games as practice.

I wrote a blurb yesterday on Tom's philosophy in pre-season.
He's not aiming for "looking good" in the preseason. He's looking to get his offense in and if that means working on plays that are troublesome regardless of the situation, so be it.

He's more concerned with being prepared for the season than worrying about "looking good".

Personally, I thought he took it too far this year and the starters could have used some confidence bolstering, but he usually knows his team, so I'll shut up about it.
Uber, I agree.  
Klaatu : 8/29/2014 11:49 am : link
My comment was directed at kmed. To me, TC always looks pissed off about something.
We've seen them look like shit in the preseason before  
David B. : 8/29/2014 11:50 am : link
and play well in the regular season. Sometimes that's by design. Sometimes not.

Was the OL trying to look like it couldn't pass protect against 1s as well? If so, Coughlin is one sly cat!

Who knows? There are bound to be growing pains with the new offense AND the patchwork OL.

The passing offense will come around at some point if the OL can protect the QB. The running game with Jennings and Williams looks like it has a chance to be GOOD which could be a saving grace. The TE's are nobodys, but Kevin Boss and Jake Ballard were nobodys at first as well.

Last night, ALL the WRs looked like they are allergic to footballs. Randle looks like he can't grasp his routes in this offense either. Pray Beckham gets well soon. Until he or someone else steps in/up, Cruz is gonna get double covered, and Eli may look lousy whether it's his fault or not.

The best solution early in the season might be some good old Parcells-style, smashmouth, ground-game football. But that too, depends on the OL.

No, dorgan, they were sandbagging.  
Klaatu : 8/29/2014 11:50 am : link
Lulling the rest of the league into a false sense of security before unleashing hell.
RE: Uber, I agree.  
UberAlias : 8/29/2014 11:51 am : link
In comment 11831437 Klaatu said:
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My comment was directed at kmed. To me, TC always looks pissed off about something.


Yeah, I was agreeing with you.
One thing that is a fact  
mrvax : 8/29/2014 11:52 am : link
Randle has got to improve or ODB has to be out there and 100% or the passing game isn't going to do well. They will just double Cruz and put up with the occasional catch from Jernigan or whomever.

We need at least 2 dependable WRs on the field.
They must have been using plays....  
Crispino : 8/29/2014 11:53 am : link
they suck at during camp too, because even in camp the offense looked like shit. They must be secretly looking great somewhere else.

Not saying that they can't get this straightened out and have a decent season, but I've seen nothing encouraging from the passing game thus far. Let's hope it comes together. Fast.
RE: They  
UberAlias : 8/29/2014 11:55 am : link
In comment 11831433 dorgan said:
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Personally, I thought he took it too far this year and the starters could have used some confidence bolstering,


I felt the exact same way, but I think that may have been part of the idea in giving them some reps last night against Pats backups, and probably why he was so grumpy discussing it afterwards. But I doubt there is confidence lost on Eli, at least. I get the sense he is ready to go.
Eli on NFLN  
BeerFridge : 8/29/2014 12:03 pm : link
Funny  
PEEJ : 8/29/2014 12:05 pm : link
in practice reports it's "bombs away". In the game, IIRC, there was only one deep attempt
Fridge  
ZogZerg : 8/29/2014 12:29 pm : link
LOL!
Of course Eli could just be lying to cover his butt too.  
PatersonPlank : 8/29/2014 12:32 pm : link
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Eli also said in an interview post game  
USAF NYG Fan : 8/29/2014 12:37 pm : link
that he was glad pre-season was over as that's where most of his injuries come from (I only remember the gash in his head from the Jets preseason game). I'm hoping that, because of this, he was just being cautious (as apposed to scared) in the pocket. Maybe I am overly optimistic.

Also, they are not game planning against these teams in the pre-season. Regardless of whether they are using plays that need more practice or not. They are not designed to play to the opponents weakness. I also agree that the plays Nassib was using do not look like the plays they had Eli running (with exception to that first series or two in the first pre-season game).

I think there is plenty to be optimistic about. The run game looks better, the OL looks only slightly better, TE situation got slightly worse, the WRs core is a wash thus far, the defensive backfield has greatly improved, and the DL has taken a slight step back. I never believed we would be ready prior to the season and expect it take take several games into the season before we start clicking. It will now take Beckum even longer. This is where our defense needs to keep us in it.

I'm loving our defense right now. I can't believe these BS calls will continue into the season and they have all been really bad. Has DRC allowed a reception or even been flagged? DRC, Thurmond, and Bowman were great pickups. They would be a great group of top 3 DBs without considering that Prince is our #2. This all without our defensive leader Beason whom I believe will not miss beat when he returns. The only other thing I want is the old JPP to return but unless he's been holding back, I doubt that will happen.
I hope this "conspiracy theory" is correct and the offense comes out  
BeerFridge : 8/29/2014 12:48 pm : link
humming. I find it a bit hard to believe considering a large part of the problem seems to be the protection. Maybe our offense can only do well against our pass rush? (ugh)
there is a noticeable difference between the plays and formations used  
SHO'NUFF : 8/29/2014 12:52 pm : link
between Eli vs Nassib/Painter....but I'm more concerned with the quality of blocking when E is in...
"Some of the passing concepts ran for Nassib and Painter,  
mamu : 8/29/2014 1:29 pm : link
weren't used when Eli was in the game"


Maybe Eli already has them down pat and doesn't need to show that in preseason?
but  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/29/2014 1:31 pm : link
this doesn't erase the fact that Eli still looks gun-shy back there.
TC was definitely more ticked off than ususal. I've seen him do  
Geeman : 8/29/2014 1:36 pm : link
enough interviews to know the difference I think. I want to be optimistic but there's no way in that 3rd preseason game the Giants weren't running plays that you will see during the season. If anyone really is buying into what Eli is saying, then you'll probably go for anything.
In that 3rd preseason the game, there would be more game planning installed and the offense still didn't look good with the exception of the no huddle offense.
More excuses. We keep throwing crap hoping something  
Blue21 : 8/29/2014 1:37 pm : link
will make sense and stick.
RE: but  
okiegiant : 8/29/2014 1:46 pm : link
In comment 11831747 Eric from BBI said:
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this doesn't erase the fact that Eli still looks gun-shy back there.


Gun shy or uncomfortable? Manning has always had total control of his offense. Now, if we can believe his comments, he is working on things he isn't comfortable with and probably seeing things differently.

Hopefully this is the case of him just not being completely comfortable with what is going on with the offense.
Eric  
crick78 : 8/29/2014 1:51 pm : link
Eli can't just turn off not trusting his OL. That has to be EARNED!
RE: When does TC ever look relaxed?  
Vin R : 8/29/2014 1:53 pm : link
In comment 11831419 Klaatu said:
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We'll see...  
UberAlias : 8/29/2014 2:02 pm : link
It seems to me some are putting far too much stock in preseason.
with 2013 being the lone exception  
djm : 8/29/2014 3:02 pm : link
Coughlin's Giants have busted out of the gate every single year. And they haven't exactly set the world on fire in the preseasons. Every year NYG fans are nervous at this time and every year, except 2013, the Giants roar out to a 6-2 record or better. Every year.

I'm not saying that the Giants go 6-2 this year but the one thing we can say is the Giants get off to good starts. They seem to handle the preseason rather well based on their September and October record. And again, they have never really looked that good in the preseason more often than not because I remember fans and media alike killing this team pretty much every year at this same juncture. Come to think of it, every team looks like shit in preseason. Good plays are usually of the broken play variety and first teamers usually run through the motion. But I digress...

Man I hope this team rumbles to a good record.....


You can't take pre-season too seriously  
SGMen : 8/29/2014 3:09 pm : link
All the years I have been watching you learn that especially with the first team you can't take pre-season too seriously. No way a team shows its stuff in pre-season, especially when it is all new stuff - WCO with East Coast elements.

I don't think the Giants will come out of the gates throwing like mad but will rather play "take what the defense gives" style. I can see us running, running and throwing short to our RB, TE Donnell or Fells.

Look for the Giants to hope the defense is solid and gets us turnovers. I do believer JPP, Moore and Kennard will put pressure on the QB. They are our only hope so they better!
If that is the case  
mattlawson : 8/30/2014 9:59 am : link
And it certainly may be - what did the Giants have you lose by telling the Fanbase 3 weeks ago "hey guys this is practice so we're gonna work on stuff that needs work"

This avoidance of being candid with the press and the fans concerns is something that has constantly been a part of the coughlin regime. There's a difference between being short and being candid - seems to meet you I could've said this a month ago and we would've been like 'oh okay' instead of the skies falling.
mattlawson  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 10:17 am : link
You can't be serious. You want the Giants to release their plans to the public? Good luck with that.
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HelmetCatch : 8/30/2014 10:22 am : link
But they've looked awful in practice too.  
Curtis in VA : 8/30/2014 10:53 am : link
So they must suck running all of them.
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