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Tim Wright (pats new TE) caught 4 passes for 43 yards

pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 11:23 am
after 1 practice. Literally 1 practice.

I get TE is maybe less complicated than some receiver spots.

But we have guys and it's not just one guy like Manningham or Randle, here for years and having communications issues with the QB/playbook.

Why is that?

I hate the word simplify around here because it pisses people off, but I have to say other than the tempo and maybe a litle bit better run game (for now) this year's passing offense so far looks a lot like last year's passing offense.

I hope it changes when the regular season starts, but seeing Wright out there like he'd been in that offense his whole life was a little surprising.
wow.  
YAJ2112 : 8/29/2014 11:24 am : link
just, wow.
wow  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 11:29 am : link
that's surprising, (like I thought) or wow, that idiotic to post?
the latter  
YAJ2112 : 8/29/2014 11:31 am : link
.
so the fact a TE  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 11:36 am : link
can walk onto the Patriots playing field with 1 practice and seem comfortable in the offense and be productive vs. the Giants who seem uncomfortable after countless practices seems encouraging to you?
it's meaningless to me  
YAJ2112 : 8/29/2014 11:37 am : link
.
Well it's a harbinger  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 11:41 am : link
of things to come for me.

If you watched the game last night Eli and the receivers both seemed confused. Both Randle and Cruz on at least one occasion.

The Patriots had a rookie QB, and guys like Wright with one practice and I didn't notice the miscues.

if that's meaningless to you, great, it's meaningful to me.
Here's  
Semipro Lineman : 8/29/2014 12:07 pm : link
something about observations like that that I have said before but I feel needs to be repeated.

The Patriots probably modified or reduced the usual TE routes to reduced the options Wright had to simple choices so he could more easily be where the QB expected him to be. The best known example was Randy Moss' first season as a Viking when he usually had the option of running a fly against man coverage or a button-hook or a hitch against zone.

Everyone probably does this for newer players and rookies. Rookie linebackers/safeties get to free lance/blitz more often and flash their quickness because their coverage responsibilites have been reduced with teammates picking up the slack.

Also the fact that Wright was thrown to so much was probably more about the Patriots trying to find where he fits best in their offense. Finally, New England's offense is rumored to be more complex than Gilbride but somehow no one is calling on their coaching staff to simplified things. Just saying
I think the answer..  
Danthebigbluefan : 8/29/2014 12:18 pm : link
lies more in the fact that the other receiving options (aside from Gronk) are Edelman, Dobson and Amendola. The guy is going to get looks if he's open, which he clearly must be. Brady is just like Eli, or any other good QB, in that respect.

Also - he's a former college WR, so he's got good matchup capability right off the bat.

LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2014 12:21 pm : link
It seems like BBI has a myriad of Dr. Freud's on staff, but mainly the part about being fucked up on hallucinogens than the part about being brilliant minds.
Hard to believe the Giants could have missed  
Jupiter : 8/29/2014 12:21 pm : link
It is difficult to believe that the Giants could have missed so badly in the selection of a new offensive coordinator, a new offense and the personnel that can make it work so I choose to believe that they are closer to making it work than they have shown so far.

Wake me in October!
RE: Well it's a harbinger  
M in CT : 8/29/2014 12:25 pm : link
In comment 11831416 pjcas18 said:
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of things to come for me.

If you watched the game last night Eli and the receivers both seemed confused. Both Randle and Cruz on at least one occasion.

The Patriots had a rookie QB, and guys like Wright with one practice and I didn't notice the miscues.

if that's meaningless to you, great, it's meaningful to me.


hmm...and it never occurred to you that the Giants have installed a brand new offense this preseason and that the Patriots have been running the same offense for a decade?

there are growing pains any time you install a new philosophy and/or overhaul your personnel, and those growing pains consist of a lot of miscues as our guys learn the system. and no, the same types of miscues are not expected from a new player who is told to run X route or Y route or Z route in a decade-old offense and simply catch the ball.
I'm not claiming anyone  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:27 pm : link
missed on anything, or that anything is psychological, or anything else.

Amendola, Edelman, and Gronk didn't play in this game, neither did Brady for that matter.

My observation is simple.

it takes many Giants WR/TE draft picks years to seem comfortable in the offense, some never do.

It took 1 practice for this guy to look comfortable in the Pats offense.

that simple. That is my observation.

And I don't think it's a positive.

If it's meaningless great, I don't think it is.

So I love the witty replies and pseudo intelligent above the fray passive aggression, but it seems like the passing offense is an issue to me for the giants and I expected a while for wright to slowly integrate into the Pats, but that didn't happen.

I shared my observation for others that didn't notice it.
Hey..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2014 12:29 pm : link
Corey washington had 4 game wining catches after barely working at all in this offense!

Oh wait a minute, we are only supposed to shit on things right?

Fucker didn't win the 5th game. He blows!
RE: RE: Well it's a harbinger  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:30 pm : link
In comment 11831527 M in CT said:
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In comment 11831416 pjcas18 said:


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of things to come for me.

If you watched the game last night Eli and the receivers both seemed confused. Both Randle and Cruz on at least one occasion.

The Patriots had a rookie QB, and guys like Wright with one practice and I didn't notice the miscues.

if that's meaningless to you, great, it's meaningful to me.



hmm...and it never occurred to you that the Giants have installed a brand new offense this preseason and that the Patriots have been running the same offense for a decade?

there are growing pains any time you install a new philosophy and/or overhaul your personnel, and those growing pains consist of a lot of miscues as our guys learn the system. and no, the same types of miscues are not expected from a new player who is told to run X route or Y route or Z route in a decade-old offense and simply catch the ball.


Sure, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tyms, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce,etc. haven't been there a decade, and Wright has been there one day, and this is a very different offense from the Charlie Weis days I hate to break it to you. With McDaniels in his second tenure, even he will tell you it's a different offense from his first tenure.


RE: Hey..  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:32 pm : link
In comment 11831542 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Corey washington had 4 game wining catches after barely working at all in this offense!

Oh wait a minute, we are only supposed to shit on things right?

Fucker didn't win the 5th game. He blows!


I love what Corey Washington has done this summer - it was irrelevant to my post, but my sense is Eli, Randle, Cruz, etc. are actually going to be relied on come game time. Do you think they looked good, are you confident in the passing attack?
so  
M in CT : 8/29/2014 12:33 pm : link
you really don't see a meaningful difference between a new TE running some new routes in an established system, versus a veteran QB running an entirely new offense with lots of new personnel?

maybe "wow, just wow" was the appropriate response after all.
I put little stock in either..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2014 12:37 pm : link
preseason heroes or goats on our team or anyone else. For every Cruz, they are dozens of Jonas Seawright's or Sean Bennett's.
RE: so  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:39 pm : link
In comment 11831556 M in CT said:
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you really don't see a meaningful difference between a new TE running some new routes in an established system, versus a veteran QB running an entirely new offense with lots of new personnel?

maybe "wow, just wow" was the appropriate response after all.


Ok, genius, why would Jimmy Garoppolo, a rookie draft pick, be able to pick up an established system any quicker than Eli and his receivers not be able to pick up a new system.

Are you really this dense? Aren't they new systems for both of them? You watched the game, Garappolo didn't even have a playbook in college. the majority of the receivers were rookies.

And the TE had one practice.

eh, maybe I'm the only one concerned about the passing game and the rest of you are "eli will be fine" until we're 0 - 6 crowd. or it's meaningless pre-season.
RE: I put little stock in either..  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:40 pm : link
In comment 11831567 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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preseason heroes or goats on our team or anyone else. For every Cruz, they are dozens of Jonas Seawright's or Sean Bennett's.


Same here, it's not my point, as I watched that game I felt like the time the #1's on offense have will be very telling. For one they were going up against mainly 2nd and 3rd string defenders. They should have been able to do what they wanted - execute their game plan. I left concerned. I don't care about pre-season heroes, but I hoped the offense at least looked comfortable, they didn't.
How the fuck do you even..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 8/29/2014 12:41 pm : link
know the extent of how a QB has picked up the system? By the number of completions?

By that logic, Nassib is a Wonderkid and eli is a drooling invalid.

Actually, maybe that's a subject you know a little bit about.....
RE: How the fuck do you even..  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:45 pm : link
In comment 11831580 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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know the extent of how a QB has picked up the system? By the number of completions?

By that logic, Nassib is a Wonderkid and eli is a drooling invalid.

Actually, maybe that's a subject you know a little bit about.....


LOL, no, it's not just Eli, it's the comfort the offense showed or lack there of. Either Randle or Eli were on the wrong page one play. Eli either missed a wide open Cruz or he and Cruz were on the wrong page, - it was two drives (and I think the only two the 1's had) and two drive ending miscues.

I bet Coughlin is concerned.

My point with Wright was simply a way to illustrate how other teams get creative (and yes simplify) to take advantage of their personnel. Patriots fans and media were surprised to see Wright so acclimated into the offense so soon, but to you experts, it's ho-hum, whatever.
RE: so  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/29/2014 12:54 pm : link
In comment 11831556 M in CT said:
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you really don't see a meaningful difference between a new TE running some new routes in an established system, versus a veteran QB running an entirely new offense with lots of new personnel?

maybe "wow, just wow" was the appropriate response after all.


Dude...what are you saying? What does any "established system" have to do with anything when Jimmy Garoppolo is a rookie QB learning the system?
pj  
YAJ2112 : 8/29/2014 12:55 pm : link
it's possible to both be concerned about the Giants' O AND think your attempt to parallel it Tim Wright catching 4 passes in a preseason game is way off base.
Wait a minute  
Semipro Lineman : 8/29/2014 12:55 pm : link
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Patriots fans and media were surprised to see Wright so acclimated into the offense so soon, but to you experts, it's ho-hum, whatever.


Four catches in a pre-season game against the Giant's 2nds is indication that he has been acclimatized into the Patriots offense? Are you sure you want to hang your hat on that conclustion based on such a limited observation? Are you sure?
Semi  
YAJ2112 : 8/29/2014 12:57 pm : link
especially when you have no idea how much of the offense he was actually running while in the game.
RE: pj  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 12:57 pm : link
In comment 11831627 YAJ2112 said:
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it's possible to both be concerned about the Giants' O AND think your attempt to parallel it Tim Wright catching 4 passes in a preseason game is way off base.


Yes. Of course it could be off base. I'm no expert in game planning. But if it were that easy (even in pre-season) I'd expect others to find ways to do it too, this truly is a copycat league in many regards.
As for the OP  
AnotherGiantsFan : 8/29/2014 12:58 pm : link
I know miscommunication was the name of the game last night, but we're just lacking talent right now. Our OL is giving Eli no time to stay in the pocket and it's obvious that Eli is worried about it. Our tight ends have no talent at all. The fact no one can win the starting job should tell you enough.

I'm not saying I'm hoping for it, but this team needs another really bad year under its belt to get a high draft pick and infuse more cost controlled youthful talent.
They were obviously feeding him the ball  
BeerFridge : 8/29/2014 1:00 pm : link
to get him work.
RE: Wait a minute  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 1:01 pm : link
In comment 11831630 Semipro Lineman said:
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Patriots fans and media were surprised to see Wright so acclimated into the offense so soon, but to you experts, it's ho-hum, whatever.



Four catches in a pre-season game against the Giant's 2nds is indication that he has been acclimatized into the Patriots offense? Are you sure you want to hang your hat on that conclustion based on such a lim
ited observation? Are you sure?


Not hanging my hat on anything, relaying information I've heard on the local boston sports radio and in discussions with Pats fans.

If Adrien Robinson debuted like this three years ago, Giants fans would have been ecstatic.

Robinson didn't debut here  
YAJ2112 : 8/29/2014 1:08 pm : link
after already catching 54 balls in one season in real NFL games. Hell, he barely caught half that many in 4 years of college!
First of all  
Semipro Lineman : 8/29/2014 1:13 pm : link
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Not hanging my hat on anything, relaying information I've heard on the local boston sports radio and in discussions with Pats fans.

If Adrien Robinson debuted like this three years ago, Giants fans would have been ecstatic.


You're using sports talk radio as the basis for your statement about how he is acclimatized. Okay....

Also, Wright is coming off of a 54 catch season with the Bucs. He has proven that he can be a receiver at 6-4 220lbs. The fact he had four catches against our 2nd string defense maybe more about getting him familiar with his teammates than it is definite proof of his acclimatization in an offense.
RE: First of all  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 1:29 pm : link
In comment 11831689 Semipro Lineman said:
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Not hanging my hat on anything, relaying information I've heard on the local boston sports radio and in discussions with Pats fans.

If Adrien Robinson debuted like this three years ago, Giants fans would have been ecstatic.




You're using sports talk radio as the basis for your statement about how he is acclimatized. Okay....

Also, Wright is coming off of a 54 catch season with the Bucs. He has proven that he can be a receiver at 6-4 220lbs. The fact he had four catches against our 2nd string defense maybe more about getting him familiar with his teammates than it is definite proof of his acclimatization in an offense.


When I said "fans and media", who did you think I meant? Belichick?
Talk radio  
Semipro Lineman : 8/29/2014 1:42 pm : link
is the broadcast version of fan message boards with a host. If you consider that media which normally implies sports reporters or columists then you are being a bit generous. Talk radio is a part of media but that's not the part that comes to mind whn people cite media as a basis for their conclusion
RE: Talk radio  
pjcas18 : 8/29/2014 1:48 pm : link
In comment 11831772 Semipro Lineman said:
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is the broadcast version of fan message boards with a host. If you consider that media which normally implies sports reporters or columists then you are being a bit generous. Talk radio is a part of media but that's not the part that comes to mind whn people cite media as a basis for their conclusion


basically, but in this case it is Scott Zolak and Mike Flynn, both former player and Zolak with a ton of connections still with the Pats, who has a little bit more credibility than a fan message board with a host.

whatever, it's not a huge deal, I was surprised to see him even activated after 1 practice and catching passes, many fans and "media" now you know who I mean were too.


The valid point here is that Robinson and Donnell  
Some Fan : 8/29/2014 2:05 pm : link
seem to pick-up the TE position like I would pick up organic chemistry.
Wright is an established player  
mrvax : 8/29/2014 2:20 pm : link
and our guys aren't. Maybe Myers could have caught 4 balls against the Pats.

We can use a lot of dump offs to Jennings/Hillis and hopefully Williams/Cox if our TEs can't get it done.
Scott Zolak and Mike Flynn  
Semipro Lineman : 8/29/2014 2:50 pm : link
are probably talking out of their asses about him being acclimatized in the offense. Did they say that they spoke to someone on the team about how much he was abile to asbore or are they assuming?

Others in this thread said it better than me about the Patriots feeding Wright the ball. In addition, he probably got so many reps because they want to help him learn the offense. Wright's ability to run routes and catch passes isn't in question but rather how much of the offense he has already learned. I highly doubt a receiver/tight end with only one year of NFL experience can learn the New England Patriots offense in one practice. It doesn't seem likely and the evidence you presented isn't very convincing.
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