after 1 practice. Literally 1 practice.
I get TE is maybe less complicated than some receiver spots.
But we have guys and it's not just one guy like Manningham or Randle, here for years and having communications issues with the QB/playbook.
Why is that?
I hate the word simplify around here because it pisses people off, but I have to say other than the tempo and maybe a litle bit better run game (for now) this year's passing offense so far looks a lot like last year's passing offense.
I hope it changes when the regular season starts, but seeing Wright out there like he'd been in that offense his whole life was a little surprising.
If you watched the game last night Eli and the receivers both seemed confused. Both Randle and Cruz on at least one occasion.
The Patriots had a rookie QB, and guys like Wright with one practice and I didn't notice the miscues.
if that's meaningless to you, great, it's meaningful to me.
The Patriots probably modified or reduced the usual TE routes to reduced the options Wright had to simple choices so he could more easily be where the QB expected him to be. The best known example was Randy Moss' first season as a Viking when he usually had the option of running a fly against man coverage or a button-hook or a hitch against zone.
Everyone probably does this for newer players and rookies. Rookie linebackers/safeties get to free lance/blitz more often and flash their quickness because their coverage responsibilites have been reduced with teammates picking up the slack.
Also the fact that Wright was thrown to so much was probably more about the Patriots trying to find where he fits best in their offense. Finally, New England's offense is rumored to be more complex than Gilbride but somehow no one is calling on their coaching staff to simplified things. Just saying
Also - he's a former college WR, so he's got good matchup capability right off the bat.
Wake me in October!
If you watched the game last night Eli and the receivers both seemed confused. Both Randle and Cruz on at least one occasion.
The Patriots had a rookie QB, and guys like Wright with one practice and I didn't notice the miscues.
if that's meaningless to you, great, it's meaningful to me.
hmm...and it never occurred to you that the Giants have installed a brand new offense this preseason and that the Patriots have been running the same offense for a decade?
there are growing pains any time you install a new philosophy and/or overhaul your personnel, and those growing pains consist of a lot of miscues as our guys learn the system. and no, the same types of miscues are not expected from a new player who is told to run X route or Y route or Z route in a decade-old offense and simply catch the ball.
Amendola, Edelman, and Gronk didn't play in this game, neither did Brady for that matter.
My observation is simple.
it takes many Giants WR/TE draft picks years to seem comfortable in the offense, some never do.
It took 1 practice for this guy to look comfortable in the Pats offense.
that simple. That is my observation.
And I don't think it's a positive.
If it's meaningless great, I don't think it is.
So I love the witty replies and pseudo intelligent above the fray passive aggression, but it seems like the passing offense is an issue to me for the giants and I expected a while for wright to slowly integrate into the Pats, but that didn't happen.
I shared my observation for others that didn't notice it.
Oh wait a minute, we are only supposed to shit on things right?
Fucker didn't win the 5th game. He blows!
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If you watched the game last night Eli and the receivers both seemed confused. Both Randle and Cruz on at least one occasion.
The Patriots had a rookie QB, and guys like Wright with one practice and I didn't notice the miscues.
if that's meaningless to you, great, it's meaningful to me.
hmm...and it never occurred to you that the Giants have installed a brand new offense this preseason and that the Patriots have been running the same offense for a decade?
there are growing pains any time you install a new philosophy and/or overhaul your personnel, and those growing pains consist of a lot of miscues as our guys learn the system. and no, the same types of miscues are not expected from a new player who is told to run X route or Y route or Z route in a decade-old offense and simply catch the ball.
Sure, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tyms, Thompkins, Dobson, Boyce,etc. haven't been there a decade, and Wright has been there one day, and this is a very different offense from the Charlie Weis days I hate to break it to you. With McDaniels in his second tenure, even he will tell you it's a different offense from his first tenure.
Oh wait a minute, we are only supposed to shit on things right?
Fucker didn't win the 5th game. He blows!
I love what Corey Washington has done this summer - it was irrelevant to my post, but my sense is Eli, Randle, Cruz, etc. are actually going to be relied on come game time. Do you think they looked good, are you confident in the passing attack?
maybe "wow, just wow" was the appropriate response after all.
maybe "wow, just wow" was the appropriate response after all.
Ok, genius, why would Jimmy Garoppolo, a rookie draft pick, be able to pick up an established system any quicker than Eli and his receivers not be able to pick up a new system.
Are you really this dense? Aren't they new systems for both of them? You watched the game, Garappolo didn't even have a playbook in college. the majority of the receivers were rookies.
And the TE had one practice.
eh, maybe I'm the only one concerned about the passing game and the rest of you are "eli will be fine" until we're 0 - 6 crowd. or it's meaningless pre-season.
Same here, it's not my point, as I watched that game I felt like the time the #1's on offense have will be very telling. For one they were going up against mainly 2nd and 3rd string defenders. They should have been able to do what they wanted - execute their game plan. I left concerned. I don't care about pre-season heroes, but I hoped the offense at least looked comfortable, they didn't.
By that logic, Nassib is a Wonderkid and eli is a drooling invalid.
Actually, maybe that's a subject you know a little bit about.....
By that logic, Nassib is a Wonderkid and eli is a drooling invalid.
Actually, maybe that's a subject you know a little bit about.....
LOL, no, it's not just Eli, it's the comfort the offense showed or lack there of. Either Randle or Eli were on the wrong page one play. Eli either missed a wide open Cruz or he and Cruz were on the wrong page, - it was two drives (and I think the only two the 1's had) and two drive ending miscues.
I bet Coughlin is concerned.
My point with Wright was simply a way to illustrate how other teams get creative (and yes simplify) to take advantage of their personnel. Patriots fans and media were surprised to see Wright so acclimated into the offense so soon, but to you experts, it's ho-hum, whatever.
maybe "wow, just wow" was the appropriate response after all.
Dude...what are you saying? What does any "established system" have to do with anything when Jimmy Garoppolo is a rookie QB learning the system?
Four catches in a pre-season game against the Giant's 2nds is indication that he has been acclimatized into the Patriots offense? Are you sure you want to hang your hat on that conclustion based on such a limited observation? Are you sure?
Yes. Of course it could be off base. I'm no expert in game planning. But if it were that easy (even in pre-season) I'd expect others to find ways to do it too, this truly is a copycat league in many regards.
I'm not saying I'm hoping for it, but this team needs another really bad year under its belt to get a high draft pick and infuse more cost controlled youthful talent.
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Patriots fans and media were surprised to see Wright so acclimated into the offense so soon, but to you experts, it's ho-hum, whatever.
Four catches in a pre-season game against the Giant's 2nds is indication that he has been acclimatized into the Patriots offense? Are you sure you want to hang your hat on that conclustion based on such a lim
ited observation? Are you sure?
Not hanging my hat on anything, relaying information I've heard on the local boston sports radio and in discussions with Pats fans.
If Adrien Robinson debuted like this three years ago, Giants fans would have been ecstatic.
If Adrien Robinson debuted like this three years ago, Giants fans would have been ecstatic.
You're using sports talk radio as the basis for your statement about how he is acclimatized. Okay....
Also, Wright is coming off of a 54 catch season with the Bucs. He has proven that he can be a receiver at 6-4 220lbs. The fact he had four catches against our 2nd string defense maybe more about getting him familiar with his teammates than it is definite proof of his acclimatization in an offense.
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Not hanging my hat on anything, relaying information I've heard on the local boston sports radio and in discussions with Pats fans.
If Adrien Robinson debuted like this three years ago, Giants fans would have been ecstatic.
You're using sports talk radio as the basis for your statement about how he is acclimatized. Okay....
Also, Wright is coming off of a 54 catch season with the Bucs. He has proven that he can be a receiver at 6-4 220lbs. The fact he had four catches against our 2nd string defense maybe more about getting him familiar with his teammates than it is definite proof of his acclimatization in an offense.
When I said "fans and media", who did you think I meant? Belichick?
basically, but in this case it is Scott Zolak and Mike Flynn, both former player and Zolak with a ton of connections still with the Pats, who has a little bit more credibility than a fan message board with a host.
whatever, it's not a huge deal, I was surprised to see him even activated after 1 practice and catching passes, many fans and "media" now you know who I mean were too.
We can use a lot of dump offs to Jennings/Hillis and hopefully Williams/Cox if our TEs can't get it done.
Others in this thread said it better than me about the Patriots feeding Wright the ball. In addition, he probably got so many reps because they want to help him learn the offense. Wright's ability to run routes and catch passes isn't in question but rather how much of the offense he has already learned. I highly doubt a receiver/tight end with only one year of NFL experience can learn the New England Patriots offense in one practice. It doesn't seem likely and the evidence you presented isn't very convincing.