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BigBlueSince60s : 8/29/2014 7:49 pm
Gentlemen - I registered tonight just to make sure you understood one potential reason why. Plus its a Friday night, so some of you will very much enjoy taking shots at this waiting for tomorrow's cutdown to 53 players

That itself speaks to the problem. We are all Giant fans. But the way some posters are trashed for expressing their opinion is unwarranted and damn right rude.

So why would I want to express an opinion to get trashed by the "BBI inner circle".

So I don't.

If you want more contributions maybe it's time to start managing the site better.

I don't send my money to places that aren't properly managed.

Consider that others may not either.

Ok folks - load up if you cannot resist yourselves
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RE: For the sake of my mind's eye  
Cam in MO : 8/29/2014 9:20 pm : link
In comment 11832450 Rob in NYC said:
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I am going to go ahead and think a St. Andrew's Cross is a piece of antique golfing equipment.


Meh, who needs imagination?


I based it off of the plans for this one:



RE: RE: I'm still wondering who is in this  
Jon from PA : 8/29/2014 9:21 pm : link
In comment 11832430 BMac said:
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In comment 11832417 Jon from PA said:


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Inner circle and how do I join?



The more you ask, the less likely you find out.


If Brett's in it and I'm not I'm going to be pissed
I like how this one is tastefully placed between the dining room  
Moondwg : 8/29/2014 9:21 pm : link
and living room.
RE: RE: RE: I'm still wondering who is in this  
BrettNYG10 : 8/29/2014 9:23 pm : link
In comment 11832458 Jon from PA said:
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In comment 11832430 BMac said:


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In comment 11832417 Jon from PA said:


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Inner circle and how do I join?



The more you ask, the less likely you find out.



If Brett's in it and I'm not I'm going to be pissed


......... #awkward
Nice basement  
Rob in NYC : 8/29/2014 9:24 pm : link
Slow cooker, Splenda, some Pepsi and a BDSM device.

Not seeing the spanking machine, though...
RE: I agree....  
BrettNYG10 : 8/29/2014 9:24 pm : link
In comment 11832414 Rangersin7 said:
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There are s few on here who like to think they are smarter than anyone else. If upu dare have an opinion that differs from there's they resort to insult and ridicule instead of actualing discussing the issue. I don't think Brett is one of these guys even if he does disagree with me. I actively participate in the Ranger hockey threads because I don't find the same dynamic as the football threads.


Well, to be fair, we're already smarter than everyone else merely by being hockey fans.
Haha!  
Cam in MO : 8/29/2014 9:24 pm : link
Inorite?


Mine is just a small bedroom in the basement. With a lock on the door, obviously. Sound proofing is my next project.


Slow cookers are great.  
BrettNYG10 : 8/29/2014 9:25 pm : link
.
And that one is actually designed to be folded up for storage and  
Cam in MO : 8/29/2014 9:26 pm : link
transport.

I skipped that part as I don't like associating with those weirdos.


RE: RE: RE: RE: I'm still wondering who is in this  
Jon from PA : 8/29/2014 9:33 pm : link
In comment 11832461 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 11832458 Jon from PA said:


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In comment 11832430 BMac said:


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In comment 11832417 Jon from PA said:


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Inner circle and how do I join?



The more you ask, the less likely you find out.



If Brett's in it and I'm not I'm going to be pissed



......... #awkward


GDI!!
RE: I like how this one is tastefully placed between the dining room  
BMac : 8/29/2014 10:03 pm : link
In comment 11832459 Moondwg said:
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and living room.


Nice scarf, too.
lol, who are the inner circle of BBI.  
Del Shofner : 8/29/2014 10:28 pm : link
An enduring mystery.

I contribute to BBI because it is a source of Giants info, the best Yankees minor league info, good Knicks info and general news and entertainment, including economics and foreign affairs. I check in every day because the posters here generally share my interests as to what is news. You have a very limited view of BBI. Its competition in my world are everything on TV (which mostly sucks) and the NY Times and the NY Post (which mostly suck). When I look at what I pay for those news sources, contributing to BBI is a bargain.
See, here's the thing.  
manh george : 8/29/2014 10:37 pm : link
This is a guy who obviously never participated on the site before, given that he joined just to tell us why he doesn't contribute.

I wouldn't expect a person like that to contribute unless, in his heart, he felt he was getting a substantial amount from the site without participating.

It's the people who participate a lot, can afford to make a contribution, and know they are getting a lot from BBI in general that would be more likely to make a contribution, so BBSince60s isn't making a useful comment.
Del makes an important point.  
manh george : 8/29/2014 10:44 pm : link
Some of the non-Giant stuff is quite good.

In fact one of the things that I get the most of from BBI is how it challenges me to make articulate, well supported points on economic issues. I'm a better professional, believe it or not, because BBI forced me to become one in order to make my points cogent, effective and well-supported. (At least I think they are.) And to make sure that my points stand up to smart people that I disagree with, which I have done quite frequently the years. Back in 2006-7, I made some points without doing my homework, before the crisis hit, and it turned out I was clearly wrong. I learned an important lesson from that.
8/14'er talking about the 'inner circle'  
Kulish29 : 8/29/2014 10:49 pm : link
Whose dupe is this?
Cannot believe...  
Ed A. : 8/29/2014 11:13 pm : link
there are people who use this site and rationalize the reason why they don't contribute. There is no site anywhere that provides what Eric provides. You guys come here and get information that is not available anywhere else and complain about some of the posters you don't like. Wade through the garbage and get the meat that is available here. Eric and his people do a fantastic job and I for one cannot be more appreciative.
RE: Bill- I'm as confused as BigBlueShock  
Bill in UT : 8/29/2014 11:37 pm : link
In comment 11832418 CRinCA said:
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Why the hell did you join a Cardinals site?

Are you simply expanding your food target audience? <grin>


Yeah, I have to get into Southwestern food now. Until that happens I've already gotten 5 suggestions for pizza places, lol
If you want real Mexican food  
Giantology : 8/29/2014 11:40 pm : link
drive 90 minutes south and eat in Tucson. Get some real Sonoran-style Mexican food.
There's a group of users  
80offensive : 8/29/2014 11:42 pm : link
that tend to post often, express strong opinions, start/control discussion or otherwise 'run' the site. It's...well...because they are the posters who are most active and basically make up the site, as it's a message board with not much original content (Sorry Eric but I know that isn't your thing anyway!). The posters are the site. And the frequent posters drive what's discussed, what's referred to as the general 'BBI opinion' (odd since there's always disagreement), and can sometimes seems cliquish and stand-offish, and frankly exclusive to outsiders/infrequent posters.

That said, it isn't any one group - there's multiple groups of frequent posters that tend to band together, some that float through all groups, and a few that seem universally hated. But as had been said, it's the internet, you've got to have some thick skin and not take crap personal. Perfectly ordinary people can be total jackasses behind a computer (how many times how you heard a BBI'er say 'He's a good guy in real life, I've met him, he contributes to charity, etc...). If you enjoy the site, ignore them and post anyway. There's always some people who will take a topic/discussion seriously (as long as it isn't completely, MIS level nutty, or 'Germanyly' repetitive...).

So anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is, ignore all the jackasses and all the other people who get off on being internet tough guys or insulting people for the smallest issue or whatever on the site. Donate if you enjoy the site, especially if you're her often, not just posting but reading threads, Eric's reports & recaps, the font page updates....you don't need to be a frequent poster or in with the crowd to donate. If you enjoy the site, silently everyday or posting constantly, you should donate if you're here a lot. You're getting something out of the site (info/entertainment), and Eric has to pay to keep it running and work to manage it and put out content, or hire people to....so it ain't free basically. That's just my $.02 - if you use the site pretty frequently, everyday poster or rare/never, inner circle or on the finge, you should give something if you're her often, just to help keep the place going for all us users, even the jackass ones that no one seems to like. :)
It seems to me that there are an awful lot of posters here.  
Reese's Pieces : 8/30/2014 12:26 am : link
The site is certainly doing well. I get all these sophisticated targeted ads from major advertisers based on where I've been on the 'net lately.

If Eric wasn't satisfied with the way things are going he would try to change things. The one area in which it may hurt him is in trying to get in tighter with the Giants' organization and the Giants' media. I think Pat Hanlon commented on the lack of civility here.

But who gives a rat's ass about the regulars being nasty to you? What kind of lives do they have if they spend two-thirds of their waking hours posting on a football message board. Especially if the team sucks.
RE: It seems to me that there are an awful lot of posters here.  
da_blue1 : 8/30/2014 2:19 am : link
In comment 11832612 Reese's Pieces said:
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The site is certainly doing well. I get all these sophisticated targeted ads from major advertisers based on where I've been on the 'net lately.

If Eric wasn't satisfied with the way things are going he would try to change things. The one area in which it may hurt him is in trying to get in tighter with the Giants' organization and the Giants' media. I think Pat Hanlon commented on the lack of civility here.

But who gives a rat's ass about the regulars being nasty to you? What kind of lives do they have if they spend two-thirds of their waking hours posting on a football message board. Especially if the team sucks.


Well there was something about how there are the same people donating each year with very few new donors... It would be wise to see why many of the lurkers which may far outnumber the actual number of posters don't contribute. Many if these people won't take the time to register to tell you why they don't contribute and when they do they get met with sarcasm and jokes.

To be honest it is a fair criticism of the boards and it is absolutely fair for the "regulars" to say deal with it. They are the ones donating after all. Then without some improvements there really is no incentive for new members to donate to a board that allows its members to make fun of/demean new posters no matter how crazy the post.

To many people this site isn't worth the donation because they would get ridiculed if they post. In the meantime many probably come here because of seeking a giant fix and reading anything giants related that they come across.

The main reason I came here was because this sites/board was supposed to be better than other boards but now that is no longer the case. Maybe it's me that has changed but I no longer view this board as better than any other board out there.

Don't take my word for it I will probably have a few posts before I fade into internet oblivion again. It should come as no surprise that I would not contribute monetarily to the site currently so my opinion likely should not matter.


RE: RE: It seems to me that there are an awful lot of posters here.  
WeatherMan : 8/30/2014 2:36 am : link
In comment 11832640 da_blue1 said:
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The main reason I came here was because this sites/board was supposed to be better than other boards but now that is no longer the case. Maybe it's me that has changed but I no longer view this board as better than any other board out there.

What about it has changed for you? I'm interested to hear specifics on this.
Hard to believe and funny...  
BMac : 8/30/2014 7:28 am : link
...as hell that this idea of an inner circle and "secret" site still has traction.
Reese's Pieces  
Headhunter : 8/30/2014 7:36 am : link
wondering about the lives of those that post here 2/3 of the day. I'd bet that most have very happy successful lives where they have time to multitask working and playing.
Meh...  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 8:08 am : link
If you don't want to donate, then so be it, don't donate. But don't try to rationalize why you won't donate by being a fucking bitch by whining about how the site isn't what you thought it was and how it's not a great site and blah blah blah. Obviously you think highly enough about it to lurk and now start a dumbassed thread. Grow some thick skin if you don't want words from strangers to impact you. Nothing is going to change here as it's always been this way, for the better and for the worse.

Instead of starting stupid shit threads like this, why don't you just continue to lurk? It's obvious that your level of contribution isn't going to be much better than whining.

Now how about a nice cup of STFU?
RE: Reese's Pieces  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 8:11 am : link
In comment 11832663 Headhunter said:
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wondering about the lives of those that post here 2/3 of the day. I'd bet that most have very happy successful lives where they have time to multitask working and playing.


BS...you know this is a perfect description for most of us...

that's me  
Headhunter : 8/30/2014 8:16 am : link
but my hair is grayer an shorter
The limitless imagination of this group is amazing...  
Tark10 : 8/30/2014 8:53 am : link
That last post/illustration got me to grab my credit card...The site is well worth it....
RE: If you want real Mexican food  
Bill in UT : 8/30/2014 9:15 am : link
In comment 11832596 Giantology said:
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drive 90 minutes south and eat in Tucson. Get some real Sonoran-style Mexican food.


Thanks, I'll keep that in mind
RE: RE: It seems to me that there are an awful lot of posters here.  
gidiefor : Mod : 8/30/2014 9:19 am : link
In comment 11832640 da_blue1 said:
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In comment 11832612 Reese's Pieces said:


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The site is certainly doing well. I get all these sophisticated targeted ads from major advertisers based on where I've been on the 'net lately.

If Eric wasn't satisfied with the way things are going he would try to change things. The one area in which it may hurt him is in trying to get in tighter with the Giants' organization and the Giants' media. I think Pat Hanlon commented on the lack of civility here.

But who gives a rat's ass about the regulars being nasty to you? What kind of lives do they have if they spend two-thirds of their waking hours posting on a football message board. Especially if the team sucks.



Well there was something about how there are the same people donating each year with very few new donors... It would be wise to see why many of the lurkers which may far outnumber the actual number of posters don't contribute. Many if these people won't take the time to register to tell you why they don't contribute and when they do they get met with sarcasm and jokes.

To be honest it is a fair criticism of the boards and it is absolutely fair for the "regulars" to say deal with it. They are the ones donating after all. Then without some improvements there really is no incentive for new members to donate to a board that allows its members to make fun of/demean new posters no matter how crazy the post.

To many people this site isn't worth the donation because they would get ridiculed if they post. In the meantime many probably come here because of seeking a giant fix and reading anything giants related that they come across.

The main reason I came here was because this sites/board was supposed to be better than other boards but now that is no longer the case. Maybe it's me that has changed but I no longer view this board as better than any other board out there.

Don't take my word for it I will probably have a few posts before I fade into internet oblivion again. It should come as no surprise that I would not contribute monetarily to the site currently so my opinion likely should not matter.



not better - relative to which sites?

If there's a better site out there - I want to know about it - spill the beans da_blue

RE: There's a group of users  
BrettNYG10 : 8/30/2014 9:21 am : link
In comment 11832598 80offensive said:
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that tend to post often, express strong opinions, start/control discussion or otherwise 'run' the site. It's...well...because they are the posters who are most active and basically make up the site, as it's a message board with not much original content (Sorry Eric but I know that isn't your thing anyway!). The posters are the site. And the frequent posters drive what's discussed, what's referred to as the general 'BBI opinion' (odd since there's always disagreement), and can sometimes seems cliquish and stand-offish, and frankly exclusive to outsiders/infrequent posters.

That said, it isn't any one group - there's multiple groups of frequent posters that tend to band together, some that float through all groups, and a few that seem universally hated. But as had been said, it's the internet, you've got to have some thick skin and not take crap personal. Perfectly ordinary people can be total jackasses behind a computer (how many times how you heard a BBI'er say 'He's a good guy in real life, I've met him, he contributes to charity, etc...). If you enjoy the site, ignore them and post anyway. There's always some people who will take a topic/discussion seriously (as long as it isn't completely, MIS level nutty, or 'Germanyly' repetitive...).

So anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is, ignore all the jackasses and all the other people who get off on being internet tough guys or insulting people for the smallest issue or whatever on the site. Donate if you enjoy the site, especially if you're her often, not just posting but reading threads, Eric's reports & recaps, the font page updates....you don't need to be a frequent poster or in with the crowd to donate. If you enjoy the site, silently everyday or posting constantly, you should donate if you're here a lot. You're getting something out of the site (info/entertainment), and Eric has to pay to keep it running and work to manage it and put out content, or hire people to....so it ain't free basically. That's just my $.02 - if you use the site pretty frequently, everyday poster or rare/never, inner circle or on the finge, you should give something if you're her often, just to help keep the place going for all us users, even the jackass ones that no one seems to like. :)


Why don't you name those posters? Perhaps Eric would keep an eye on it if he knew who these guys were.
Universally hated?  
Peter in Atlanta : 8/30/2014 10:18 am : link
Present!!
He doesn't send his money to places  
Headhunter : 8/30/2014 10:21 am : link
that aren't properly managed. So this guy doesn't pay his taxes.
does any other website  
Blue Baller : 8/30/2014 10:55 am : link
ask for donations?

Holy crap  
montanagiant : 8/30/2014 11:28 am : link
How does someone get their feelings hurt posting on a football message board under an anonymous name?

As another newer poster who was attacked by the inner sanctum of BBI and is no longer here once said:

"Gird Your Balls"!!!
Blue Baller  
Headhunter : 8/30/2014 11:33 am : link
Yes

www.helpanigerianprince.com
My First Post  
Bleedin Blue : 8/30/2014 11:38 am : link
was asking about the Saints' first round pick, which I didn't know was a running joke here! Never got bashed, and was encouraged to continue to post. It's been said before, when your first post is we should bench Eli, start Nassib or trade Eli for a left tackle, what do you really expect the responses to be. Welcome to the best site for Giants info you will find! Oh, and if you're having chest pains or experiencing some other ailment or you have girlfriend problems, you can always post on the NFT section and get your answers. LOL!
RE: does any other website  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 11:39 am : link
In comment 11832960 Blue Baller said:
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ask for donations?


How about that kickstarter thing?
RE: Blue Baller  
Bleedin Blue : 8/30/2014 11:40 am : link
In comment 11833057 Headhunter said:
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Yes

www.helpanigerianprince.com


LOL!
Yup  
Wuphat : 8/30/2014 11:44 am : link
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does any other website
Blue Baller : 10:55 am : link : reply
ask for donations?


Wikipedia does every year.
RE: Yup  
Chris in Philly : 8/30/2014 11:47 am : link
In comment 11833089 Wuphat said:
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Quote:


does any other website
Blue Baller : 10:55 am : link : reply
ask for donations?



Wikipedia does every year.


Wikimedia is a registered 503(c) nonprofit organization. It's not really a fair analogy.
RE: RE: RE: It seems to me that there are an awful lot of posters here.  
da_blue1 : 8/30/2014 12:45 pm : link
In comment 11832641 WeatherMan said:
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In comment 11832640 da_blue1 said:


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The main reason I came here was because this sites/board was supposed to be better than other boards but now that is no longer the case. Maybe it's me that has changed but I no longer view this board as better than any other board out there.


What about it has changed for you? I'm interested to hear specifics on this.


When I first came across this site there really was no other good source of information regarding the giants... Even giants.com was poorly constructed at the time. Espn team boards had decent discussion up until miller was hired for MNF then it went to shit that is when I found this site.

I used this site for more updates from people that attended camp and other discussion that I really could not get anywhere else. Now with twitter updates and numerous outlets for more up to date information there really is no information that this board has that others don't anymore. Although there have been improvements to the content and to the server side of the forums the client side is still years behind in my opinion but this was by design.

Another problem was the slight moderation if the boards and what appeared to be selective moderation (I don't know about now as much) turned me off. Either leaving it unmoderated or adhering to the rules would have made it better.

I have seen many other forums where they are able to stick to the topic being discussed and not derail the discussion which happens more often on this site than I am willing to deal with.

When I click on a topic I expect to be talking about that topic and not have to sort through multiple posts of sarcasm, German Murphy comments, and apparently in this thread a minor derailment about bdsm equipment.

With other boards that do a better job of sticking to the topic even if it isn't a giants board it is not worth it to contribute much to this board.

If I were Eric...  
PetesHereNow : 8/30/2014 12:55 pm : link
I'd keep the same format and make it a monthly fee like Rivals. Even if half of the membership left, if he charged 10 bucks a month to 2500 people, he's looking at clearing 15-20k a month.
CiP  
Wuphat : 8/30/2014 1:31 pm : link
Fair point. I hadn't considered that.
The OP  
River Mike : 8/30/2014 1:42 pm : link
makes a fair point about the civility of the site. Forget about the donation issue, it would be better if posters were more civil to one another. That said, it ain't gonna happen. Its a great site that could be better. I'm not one for over-regulation and I see value in free expression even if that expression is crude. I would rather not see the name calling, but there's always the option to ignore it and not engage with certain posters. Heck, most probably know that I am a proponent of welcoming back political threads. But I understand that this at least is one area that Eric can police simply by banning. Bottom line, when I feel the site (posters) are getting under my skin, I take a break and come back with a bit thicker skin.
I will say this..  
arcarsenal : 8/30/2014 1:43 pm : link
I am 100%, without a shadow of a doubt part of the BBI inner circle.
Wikipedia is a fair comp  
Blue Baller : 8/30/2014 2:40 pm : link
Good call

Kickstarter and go fund me are different animals.
Those sites sole purpose is asking for donations (although kick starter is really just another way to sell merchandise)
RE: The OP  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 3:07 pm : link
In comment 11833382 River Mike said:
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makes a fair point about the civility of the site. Forget about the donation issue, it would be better if posters were more civil to one another. That said, it ain't gonna happen. Its a great site that could be better. I'm not one for over-regulation and I see value in free expression even if that expression is crude. I would rather not see the name calling, but there's always the option to ignore it and not engage with certain posters. Heck, most probably know that I am a proponent of welcoming back political threads. But I understand that this at least is one area that Eric can police simply by banning. Bottom line, when I feel the site (posters) are getting under my skin, I take a break and come back with a bit thicker skin.


Meh, civility is overrated on a message board in my opinion. Yes, sometimes it can be a bit harsh, but some people are a bit more straight forward in not suffering fools than others. As has been stated previously by some posters, not all ttreads, posts, and opinions are created equal. Some just need as much beat down as can be doled out to prevent similar level of idiocies from being posted again. With that being said, Eric and the mods have banned outright trolls (maybe not as fast as we would like), and if some posters don't want to come back after their dumb opinions get hammered, then who really gives a fuck?

My position has always been that blunt but straight forward engagement is far better than passive aggressive bullshit. People don't have time for that shit.
Look at it this way....  
BigBlue in Keys : 8/30/2014 3:25 pm : link
Your buying the guy a beer or a few beers for all the time and effort that goes into keeping all this info and entertainment flowing. My "few beers" are in the mail. Also, if your drinking here for free don't complain about the bar!!
If some of these guys contributed per word,  
That Said : 8/30/2014 3:50 pm : link
Mr. Kennedy could retire to London.
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