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How do major changes NOT happen if we postseason?

SanFranGiantsFan : 8/30/2014 8:47 am
Barring a catastrophic injury/injuries to our best players, if we miss the playoffs, it'll now be 5 years in the past 6 that we'll be watching playoff football without our Giants. And yes, I'm aware that the 1 year we did make it, we won it all & that's obviously a BFD & not something to sneer at. That said, this organization prides itself on being one of the premier franchises in the league. Not qualifying for the dance in 5 of 6 years is Lions-esque (our first opponent & thus a shot at them).

Just interested in opinions. I'm usually an optimist & think the extreme gloom & dome here is over the top, but I'm more pessimistic going into this season than any other that I can remember since the TC/Eli era started.
I'll respond officially in 18 weeks or so  
Headhunter : 8/30/2014 8:49 am : link
so sit tight
I always have the need when it's pointed out that we didn't  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2014 8:51 am : link
make playoffs 4 out of 5 aside from SB win, that we were 10-6 (easily could have been 11-5) in 2010..Technically no playoffs, but come on
As to not making playoffs again, it's about context..EVERY year  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2014 8:56 am : link
changes(some major) are made in today's NFL, so that's no surprise..what if we're 10-6 and kiss the playoffs?

NO ONE has done better than us since 2007..I don't care what other records have been or near misses they've had, NO ONE has done better than us where it matters most..

Do I want to compete EVERY year? You bet, but I am very satisfied with what we've attained..
Kiss the playoffs?  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2014 8:56 am : link
Bah..Miss the playoffs
We made major changes this past offseason,  
bceagle05 : 8/30/2014 9:03 am : link
at least by Giants standards - a brand new offense and a significant roster overhaul. I don't think the idea behind it was a one-year fix. We're in rebuilding mode.
The 4 out of 5 year thing is so over stated IMO..  
Sean : 8/30/2014 9:05 am : link
2007- SB Champs
2008- 12-4, best record in NFC
2009- 8-8 (this was a bad year)
2010- 10-6, a 7 minute meltdown from maybe getting a bye in the playoffs
2011- SB Champs
2012- 9-7 (disappointing, but competitive)
2013- 7-9 (VERY bad year, worse than record indicates)

The Giants have been pretty consistent, they haven't been the Pats, but the Pats also haven't won any SB's in the same time period.

Watching this preseason, I know Coughlin isn't the issue and I would not making a coaching change regardless of how this season goes. This is clearly a talent issue and not a coaching issue. TC is still consistently looked at as a top 5 HC in the NFL, why in the world would we make a change? It is very likely the next guy will not be as good as TC.

I also have a pretty good feeling we will appreciate Gilbride a lot more for what he did here.
Missing the playoffs 5 out of 6 years is not a good look.  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/30/2014 9:16 am : link
Especially when the division has been weaker than usual these past few years.
People wanted Coughlin fired in '06  
bceagle05 : 8/30/2014 9:21 am : link
when he had made the playoffs two straight years.
What does that have to do with now?  
Dave in Hoboken : 8/30/2014 9:23 am : link
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RE: I always have the need when it's pointed out that we didn't  
BrettNYG10 : 8/30/2014 9:26 am : link
In comment 11832731 Big Blue '56 said:
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make playoffs 4 out of 5 aside from SB win, that we were 10-6 (easily could have been 11-5) in 2010..Technically no playoffs, but come on


I hate being reminded of 2010 - I thought we could have won it all that year.

Thankfully, we made up for it the year after.
This isn't a Coughlin issue..  
Sean : 8/30/2014 9:39 am : link
it's a talent issue.
RE: What does that have to do with now?  
bceagle05 : 8/30/2014 9:41 am : link
In comment 11832789 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just means it's not the be all, end all of job security. He wasn't making the playoffs with last year's roster. In fact, he won seven games with a 4-12 roster, to his credit. This year's roster looks only moderately improved.

Now if "big" changes means Reese or Ross, count me in.
My opinion is  
cjd2404 : 8/30/2014 9:48 am : link
Big changes will happen based on decisions regarding TC.

IF he comes back (ie team does decently enough, he decides not to retire or something), I think things stay a bit stable.

Reasoning..
Fewell is his guy and the D most likely will do ok (assuming they are not playing 40 minutes/a game)

Macadoo will have just finished his first year, if the offense is moderately good, or even shows signs that it can work, I don't think they make a change and then have 3 different O's in 3 years.

If TC goes, and the Offense/Defense stink then both coordinators go and we are back to Square 1, and I can then see bigger roster changes as well..
Boy  
Bake54 : 8/30/2014 10:58 am : link
the season hasn't even started. Give this plan they put together some time.
RE: I always have the need when it's pointed out that we didn't  
SoDev : 8/30/2014 11:12 am : link
In comment 11832731 Big Blue '56 said:
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make playoffs 4 out of 5 aside from SB win, that we were 10-6 (easily could have been 11-5) in 2010..Technically no playoffs, but come on


I was going to post something similar to this. Yea, 5-6 except for that Fucking Superbowl thriller you negative fuck. See almost the same except 56 has a lot more class.
fucks, that should read fucks.  
SoDev : 8/30/2014 11:15 am : link
As it's to all the negative fucks, and not just the OP.

:)
Why do you think they would overreact when they committed  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2014 11:15 am : link
to a long term overhaul by completely changing out the offense, and they all but admitted that the offensive line has to be rebuilt?

I think they have realistic expectations that this is going to take time.
Problem is,  
Doomster : 8/30/2014 11:56 am : link
while we may have just missed the playoffs in those years, we controlled our own destiny, and screwed the pooch...
RE: The 4 out of 5 year thing is so over stated IMO..  
mattlawson : 8/30/2014 2:49 pm : link
In comment 11832757 Sean said:
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2007- SB Champs
2008- 12-4, best record in NFC
2009- 8-8 (this was a bad year)
2010- 10-6, a 7 minute meltdown from maybe getting a bye in the playoffs
2011- SB Champs
2012- 9-7 (disappointing, but competitive)
2013- 7-9 (VERY bad year, worse than record indicates)

The Giants have been pretty consistent, they haven't been the Pats, but the Pats also haven't won any SB's in the same time period.

Watching this preseason, I know Coughlin isn't the issue and I would not making a coaching change regardless of how this season goes. This is clearly a talent issue and not a coaching issue. TC is still consistently looked at as a top 5 HC in the NFL, why in the world would we make a change? It is very likely the next guy will not be as good as TC.

I also have a pretty good feeling we will appreciate Gilbride a lot more for what he did here.



Nice to see it written out like this yet again. Instantly makes me feel better. And the 2009 year we started 5-0 and were dominating other teams. After pierce went out and our secondary was completely exposed - it got ugly. But Eli and the offense were very good that year.
Typical Giant fan sentiment  
RetroJint : 8/30/2014 4:28 pm : link
Too many have become mirror images of what we loathed in Cowboy fans. Giant fan = Cowboy fan. Too bad. Spoiled, same sense of entitlement. Resembling the people from Martyr's Court & 555 @ Rose Hill in the 70s. Same deal: but those loathsome creatures were Cowboy fans. We who had to stomach the House of Mara could only dream of 2 Super Bowl wins in 5 years. It is amazing to me.
I was at Keith Towers in the 70's.  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 4:42 pm : link
But I don't know what you're talking about.
If they do miss the playoffs again this year  
micky : 8/30/2014 4:52 pm : link
It'll most likely the major turnover this year of Players, offense, etc will be taken in consideration. Yes, you can turn it around in a year, but that's if everything develops and mends fast. I really don't expect that happening with them this season after hearing what they are saying about "work in progress." It's going to take awhile for the system to grasp on and gelling of the offense..wouldn't doubt til at least the last 4 games of the season when all starts to come together. Hoping for the best, but expecting and being patient with getting things primed for the future.. and a consistant run at playoffs and hopefully another SB championship.
I don't think making or not making  
mrvax : 8/30/2014 5:25 pm : link
the playoffs this year will make much difference. One of the best head coaches in football isn't going anywhere. Fewell has done a decent job and is improving. McAdoo should be given more than 1 season.

In any case I expect improvement in the Oline. Better TE. Can't do it all in 1 year. We are rebuilding so you sometimes have to sacrifice today for the future.

Now, if Coughlin decides to retire, we could see a lot of coaching changes and probably for the worse, not better.
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