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So given the DE (depth?) should a certain Rams

andrew_nyg : 8/30/2014 10:26 am
rookie aka Michael Sam be released...should the Giants pick him up?
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 10:27 am : link
I'd rather keep Wynn than make that move.
Rather keep  
Bobby Epps : 8/30/2014 10:28 am : link
Wynn and Stanton.
Wynn has the better upside?  
andrew_nyg : 8/30/2014 10:31 am : link
Or is he better right now?
andrew  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 10:34 am : link
haven't tracked Rams DE, but Wynn looks like a good two-way prospect and he doesn't have the baggage.
I'm not concerned about baggage...  
Dunedin81 : 8/30/2014 10:38 am : link
and Sam has flashed this preseason, but he's more of a 3-4 guy and I don't see an upgrade over Wynn, who has practiced with this team for a couple months.
Sam didn't play on special teams for the Rams.  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 10:41 am : link
He wouldn't play them for us, either. He also isn't very versatile, you couldn't move him inside to DT, or out to OLB. Wynn or Stanton would be more valuable to us than Sam. My guess is he ends up on St. Louis' practice squad.
The Gianrs DE depth is excellent  
BillT : 8/30/2014 10:46 am : link
Moore and Ayers behind JPP and Kiwi with Wynn a possibility. WTF?
Eric  
Giant_Spirit : 8/30/2014 10:54 am : link
What baggage are you referring to?
Giant_Spirit  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 10:55 am : link
the unbelievable media attention/distraction about a player who is currently a bottom tier/PS caliber player. He gets more attention than any Rams draft pick.

You really want that media circus - in New York - around the Giants all year?

Or are you simply trying to paint me as something I am not? (My guess the later...but nice try).
He doesn't seem like that much of a distraction  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2014 10:57 am : link
heard far more about Manziel this offseason than Sam.


Sam had a pretty solid preseason from what little I could actually see.
RE: Giant_Spirit  
kepler20 : 8/30/2014 10:59 am : link
In comment 11832964 Eric from BBI said:
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the unbelievable media attention/distraction about a player who is currently a bottom tier/PS caliber player. He gets more attention than any Rams draft pick.

You really want that media circus - in New York - around the Giants all year?

Or are you simply trying to paint me as something I am not? (My guess the later...but nice try).


If he has a better chance at playing than ODB? Yeah, who cares?

Either he performs or doesnt. I dont see the distraction.
Eric  
Giant_Spirit : 8/30/2014 11:00 am : link
Basically I am breaking your balls over your phrasing of "baggage". He has not be that much of a distraction, much less then anyone would have suspected. Agree with Ten Ton...
TTH  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/30/2014 11:01 am : link
He's PS material and one dimensional.

There isn't a reason in the world to be looking at him.
kepler20  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 11:01 am : link
Your constant Beckham posts make you seem like a troll, as other posters have suggested.
we'll  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 11:02 am : link
agree to disagree on the distraction.

Hell, there are even reports on his showering habits this week. You think Coughlin wants to answer questions like that from Vacchiano, Schwartz, Fooch and company?
RE: TTH  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2014 11:03 am : link
In comment 11832979 ctc in ftmyers said:
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He's PS material and one dimensional.



Frankly at this stage, so does Mathias Kiwanuka look.
RE: kepler20  
kepler20 : 8/30/2014 11:05 am : link
In comment 11832980 Eric from BBI said:
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Your constant Beckham posts make you seem like a troll, as other posters have suggested.


Not true and you know it. I am positive all of my posts are monitored closely.


I never agreed with the Beckham pick. That's all.
RE: I'm not concerned about baggage...  
AcidTest : 8/30/2014 11:12 am : link
In comment 11832911 Dunedin81 said:
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and Sam has flashed this preseason, but he's more of a 3-4 guy and I don't see an upgrade over Wynn, who has practiced with this team for a couple months.


This. I don't think Sam has "baggage," and New York would be a good spot for him. But right now, I like Wynn better.

Sam will go somewhere if he gets cut. He's had a good preseason from what I've read. He just ended up with the team that possibly has the deepest DL in the league. They also have an undrafted rookie from West Texas A&M I think who has done well.
In Missouri, he has not been much of a distraction.  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 11:18 am : link
Especially after the reality show idea got nixed.

In New York, all bets would be off.

Still, I don't think the Giants would mind the circus if the guy could help the team, but it's very doubtful that he could.
I like our depth at DE, including Kerry Wynn  
sjnyfan : 8/30/2014 11:19 am : link
With that said I wouldn't mind having Sam or Ethan Westbrooks, the player he's in competition with for the last DE spot on the Rams, on this team.

I think Sam is a better player than his seventh rd value. I'm not saying he'll be All-Pro but he has the talent to play in the NFL. The Giants were one of the teams interested if he went undrafted and despite the NY media I think we'd be the right organization to deal with the extra attention, from ownership down to the locker room.

I like Westbrooks future even more though. JC route and then to a small college is what kept him from being drafted imo but with a year or two of coaching I think he's going to be an effective edge rusher. In two years at West Texas A&M he had 26.5 sacks and he lit up the East West Shrine game. He'd look good in blue.
RE: I like our depth at DE, including Kerry Wynn  
AcidTest : 8/30/2014 11:22 am : link
In comment 11833019 sjnyfan said:
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With that said I wouldn't mind having Sam or Ethan Westbrooks, the player he's in competition with for the last DE spot on the Rams, on this team.

I think Sam is a better player than his seventh rd value. I'm not saying he'll be All-Pro but he has the talent to play in the NFL. The Giants were one of the teams interested if he went undrafted and despite the NY media I think we'd be the right organization to deal with the extra attention, from ownership down to the locker room.

I like Westbrooks future even more though. JC route and then to a small college is what kept him from being drafted imo but with a year or two of coaching I think he's going to be an effective edge rusher. In two years at West Texas A&M he had 26.5 sacks and he lit up the East West Shrine game. He'd look good in blue.


I'd love to get Westbrooks, but if the Rams cut him, which I doubt, I bet someone claims him before us.
RE: I'm not concerned about baggage...  
Great White Ghost : 8/30/2014 11:24 am : link
In comment 11832911 Dunedin81 said:
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and Sam has flashed this preseason, but he's more of a 3-4 guy and I don't see an upgrade over Wynn, who has practiced with this team for a couple months.
You're never concerned about the baggage, or character flaws, or anything they do off field, ever, so what else is new.
RE: RE: TTH  
ctc in ftmyers : 8/30/2014 11:28 am : link
In comment 11832988 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 11832979 ctc in ftmyers said:


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He's PS material and one dimensional.





Frankly at this stage, so does Mathias Kiwanuka look.


So why think about him? He's not an upgrade. Kiwi can drop into coverage and will dress on Sunday.
RE: RE: I'm not concerned about baggage...  
Dunedin81 : 8/30/2014 11:35 am : link
In comment 11833030 Great White Ghost said:
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In comment 11832911 Dunedin81 said:


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and Sam has flashed this preseason, but he's more of a 3-4 guy and I don't see an upgrade over Wynn, who has practiced with this team for a couple months.

You're never concerned about the baggage, or character flaws, or anything they do off field, ever, so what else is new.


Fuck off troll.
RE: RE: I like our depth at DE, including Kerry Wynn  
sjnyfan : 8/30/2014 12:34 pm : link
In comment 11833024 AcidTest said:
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In comment 11833019 sjnyfan said:


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With that said I wouldn't mind having Sam or Ethan Westbrooks, the player he's in competition with for the last DE spot on the Rams, on this team.

I think Sam is a better player than his seventh rd value. I'm not saying he'll be All-Pro but he has the talent to play in the NFL. The Giants were one of the teams interested if he went undrafted and despite the NY media I think we'd be the right organization to deal with the extra attention, from ownership down to the locker room.

I like Westbrooks future even more though. JC route and then to a small college is what kept him from being drafted imo but with a year or two of coaching I think he's going to be an effective edge rusher. In two years at West Texas A&M he had 26.5 sacks and he lit up the East West Shrine game. He'd look good in blue.



I'd love to get Westbrooks, but if the Rams cut him, which I doubt, I bet someone claims him before us.


I agree, Acid
Can Great White Hood  
Exit 172 : 8/30/2014 12:58 pm : link
be shitbagged already?
he doesnt  
SBlue46 : 8/30/2014 6:58 pm : link
Fit..we tried tweeners...unless he can play lb
any other 7th Round picks anyone want ??  
snumber6 : 8/30/2014 7:12 pm : link
Can anyone even name another team's cut 7th round picks ??
Cool it with the Michael Sam publicity ... I'm beginning to think he came out just to gain publicity and be in people's minds to give himself a better chance to make a team ...
judging from the support he gets here for no good reason ...
It seems he wan't good enough to make the Rams ... just like 20 or so other players they cut .. who no one here ur anywhere probably gives a crap about ...
Give ESPN more non football related fodder ...

Re: Sam's "baggage"  
BlackLight : 8/30/2014 7:26 pm : link
It's not even his fault. What's going to happen if/when it's reported that another player (or worse, a teammate) calls him a homophobic slur?

It's something you probably would hear a few times per practice, but the first time it happens with Sam, the NFL will grind to a halt, and that's all anyone will talk about. Not even Sam's attempts to quell the professional outrage will be enough.

It sucks that a talented player like Sam might be denied a chance to play pro football for such stupid reasons, but that's the reality. The good news is, in 20 years, it probably won't be an obstacle to an openly gay player who wants to play in the League.
BlackLight  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 7:37 pm : link
Eventually, a blue-chip prospect who's openly gay will declare for the draft. When that happens, no one will think twice about his "baggage."
RE: RE: Giant_Spirit  
LauderdaleMatty : 8/30/2014 9:13 pm : link
In comment 11832974 kepler20 said:
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In comment 11832964 Eric from BBI said:


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the unbelievable media attention/distraction about a player who is currently a bottom tier/PS caliber player. He gets more attention than any Rams draft pick.

You really want that media circus - in New York - around the Giants all year?

Or are you simply trying to paint me as something I am not? (My guess the later...but nice try).



If he has a better chance at playing than ODB? Yeah, who cares?

Either he performs or doesnt. I dont see the distraction.


Really. Did you miss ESPN's story on showering about him. You must not follow the NFL other than here because there was literally all kids of coverage about him being on the bubble. What other late round pick has ever gotten as much scrutiny.

Secondly why would he better than Wynn. Who has been here all camp and the coaches know him. And he knows the system. I wish the kid the best like I wod wish any other kid who is trying to live his dream of making it to the NFL but he's not a guy at a position of need.

Shit of he can play TE then sign him but a fringe DE?

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