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Third and four. You make the call.

Marty in Albany : 8/30/2014 4:34 pm
What play will be called more frequently: Screen play or shotgun draw?

I wonder if Eli can learn to quick kick. ;-) Actually, until I see our line hold up, I'm a little afraid for Eli against Detroit.
Quick release to our lousy TE  
Big Blue '56 : 8/30/2014 4:37 pm : link
for a first
We're doomed.  
Kulish29 : 8/30/2014 4:39 pm : link
-Dry Lightning and Doomster
Screen to  
mrvax : 8/30/2014 5:13 pm : link
Williams or Jennings.
Quick slant to Beckham.  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 5:22 pm : link
The rookie takes it to the house.
RE: Quick slant to Beckham.  
Moondwg : 8/30/2014 6:24 pm : link
In comment 11833853 Klaatu said:
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The rookie takes it to the house.


They allow exercise bikes on the field during play?
Where are we on the field, Score, quarter and time.  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 6:31 pm : link
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I like the question but there's so much that goes in to the call  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 6:39 pm : link
Is the QB in rhythm, did the wr have a good week in practice, has the line held up, can the RB break a tackle and fall forward, are you backed up in your own end, are you putting the pedal to the metal or playing catch up. What has already happened in the game.

The "draw" gets a lot or grief around here, but it's a safety valve play with the odd shot of paying off if it were used a little more judiciously.

If we had a warm blanket TE, a Jason whitten, you can bet the risk tolerance of the OC nudges up.

I guess I post this to suggest there's some nuance that should be taken into account for a lively discussion. Thanks.
screen  
kepler20 : 8/30/2014 6:52 pm : link
Not close.
Say what you want about the "draw"...  
arcarsenal : 8/30/2014 6:54 pm : link
But we killed it on 2pt conversions with that thing. It seemed like it worked every single time even when we all knew it was coming (and the defense probably did, too)
Arc, the draw from shotgun was a thing of beauty  
David in LA : 8/30/2014 6:58 pm : link
in the hey day of "Earth", "Wind", and "Fire". God, I miss that 2008 OL.
RE: Say what you want about the  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 6:59 pm : link
In comment 11833987 arcarsenal said:
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But we killed it on 2pt conversions with that thing. It seemed like it worked every single time even when we all knew it was coming (and the defense probably did, too)


Opposing dc:
"There is no fucking chance they run that play again...right? They wouldn't, we know it's coming. They ran it 90 times, it's worked twice. They're definitely not gonna try that shit down here. Four wideouts, see? Pass all the way....let er rip boys"

2 pt conversion successful.
Yup..  
arcarsenal : 8/30/2014 7:01 pm : link
It was amazing. My friends and I would all be standing at the TV going "here it comes!" and sure enough... they'd do it. And it would work.
And that's why they keep doing it. Especially with a lousy line  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 7:23 pm : link
You've got to resort to some trickery. The draw is the weird cousin of the play action pass. The line fakes pass protection, and when the d bites and are shoved outwards, the handoff is made up the gut.

We run a lot of delayed handoffs where the line has no intention of trying to disguise the nature of the play as a run.

We also run the draw. But they're not the same. Pet peeve.
And why shotgun? Lousy line, RB may appear as an extra defender  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 7:26 pm : link
Staying in the backfield to block, especially if there's just that .5 second of doubt by the d.
hilli  
SBlue46 : 8/30/2014 7:39 pm : link
Up the middle...eli cant throw short pass
Leave it to bossman to call for the 3rd string RB to get the ball...  
arcarsenal : 8/30/2014 7:43 pm : link
Makes perfect sense.
Bomb to Cruz  
Gman11 : 8/30/2014 7:45 pm : link
Oh, sorry. That was last year.
RE: hilli  
Klaatu : 8/30/2014 7:46 pm : link
In comment 11834050 SBlue46 said:
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Up the middle...eli cant throw short pass


Tiki Barber and Derrick Ward might disagree with you.
RE: Quick release to our lousy TE  
mattlawson : 8/30/2014 7:57 pm : link
In comment 11833760 Big Blue '56 said:
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for a first



Hat is the call and it was stopped the other night.... But I think that play easily accounts for more first downs this year.

If I see another third and long draw play - and we absolutely have this preseason - I may just write a letter a week. Maybe two - Andy dufrane style until they give in
I say..  
thomasa510 : 8/30/2014 8:51 pm : link
...I prefer a three yard route. Catch it right before the 1st down marker. Make the receiver work for it!

Love seeing that play!
I'd like to see a  
PEEJ : 8/30/2014 8:53 pm : link
naked bootleg. They'd never see that coming !
RE: I'd like to see a  
Gman11 : 8/30/2014 9:00 pm : link
In comment 11834119 PEEJ said:
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naked bootleg. They'd never see that coming !


I'd rather they keep their clothes on.
RE: Bomb to Cruz  
kepler20 : 8/30/2014 11:03 pm : link
In comment 11834060 Gman11 said:
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Oh, sorry. That was last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2InxFdibnw
Whatever it is,  
St. Jimmy : 8/30/2014 11:39 pm : link
I'll only remember it when it fails. So it will become the shotgun draw or whatever, but I will think it never works. Then someone will do some analysis and it will show that it is successful 52.3% of the time so it clearly works more than it fails. I will be humbled.
Square out  
AnishPatel : 8/31/2014 10:45 am : link
Cruz towards the sidelines with X or Z clearing.
Nobody has mentioned the other play sorely missing  
glowrider : 8/31/2014 11:15 am : link
Back shoulder pass to a wide out. That play is indefensible with a physical receiver and a well placed pass. All day long to Nicks and Burress. I really miss that play - and the pump fake. Eli had a lot of success when he added that to his game back during the '07 run.
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