In Serby’s Sunday Q& A with Victor Cruz, Cruz was asked to comment on McAdoo.
"Ben McAdoo is an extremely smart guy, offensively understands exactly what he wants to get from his players, and really works hard at understanding his players and what he has from a personnel standpoint — more than forcing the offense on the players, more like putting the players in position to make plays in the offense."
IMO, he is saying that Gilbride made up plays not considering the actual players that were to execute the plays. Interesting that Cruz used the word "forced". I'd think when making a play book, you'd have to take into consideration your players and take advantage of their talents and hide their weaknesses.
I know I'll get bashed but I'm glad Gilbride "retired".
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However, I'll definitely be happy to never see a shotgun draw on 3-1 again. I still can't believe how often it seemed to work when everyone knew it was coming.
That said, I think you're both reaching a bit. Coughlin's statement that players should play and coaches should coach is old, sound advice. As for the vaxman's interpretation of Cruz's statements, I think that's reading into it a bit too much. It's possible to complement McAdoo without it being a swipe at Gilbride, which seems to be the case here. He's not saying that it's nice to not be forced into a system, just that he's not the type of guy to do that. Big difference.
Gilbride will be remembered for a maddeningly inconsistent offense, but more importantly he will always be remembered for coaching an offense that at it's best was an unstoppable deep passing attack that produced so many spectacular plays and unprobable wins, including 2 Super Bowl victories over the best coach - qb combo of the era.
Gilbride was not the problem. And I don't think Cruz was even implying that he was.
Good times.
For all of Eli's intelligence, he probably makes more bad decisions than any other top QB in the league
Our Eli has had plenty of situations where he's off his back foot or he's twisted up, whatever. For a QB in a fast paced offense, the footwork is critical.
He was talking about things as elementary as which foot lands first after he receives the exchange. The coaches are preaching, "trust your feet." Footwork, footwork, footwork, keep your eys peeled.
He also said Richie seubert was the least hygienic teammate he's received snaps from. Lol
Gilbride was not the problem. And I don't think Cruz was even implying that he was.
If you don't think Gilbride was at least part of the problem then you're simply not paying attention.
It's very obvious that Cruz was referring to Gilbride. Cruz has only had 2 offensive coordinators. Gilbride and McAdoo. He is comparing his old system to the new one. Re-read the quote.
Not every good comment about McAdoo and the new offense is and should be a knock on the old OC and his system.
This is some of your best work.
Not every good comment about McAdoo and the new offense is and should be a knock on the old OC and his system.
I'm not "reading into it". Victor said "...and what he has from a personnel standpoint — more than forcing the offense on the players, more like putting the players in position to make plays in the offense."
It's obvious he's comparing his new system to the old.
But keep telling yourself that this new system is better than the old one even before this new one has had any success.
but only time will tell if BMac's system produces better results.
But keep telling yourself that this new system is better than the old one even before this new one has had any success.
I never said that. Neither did Cruz. He merely stated the difference between the two.
Based on what are we saying this?
Why if he is complimenting McAdoo do you assume he is also trying to knock Gilbride when doing so?
He is simply describing McAdoo, it doesn't have any bearing on how he might describe Gilbride. Maybe he would assign the exact same idea of his placing players in positions to succeed as he does McAdoo. Two people can have the same attributes.
Maybe it was time for a change, but, Lombardi wasn't winning with last year's O.
That ain't on Gilbride's.
It's ridiculous IMO that a 2-time SB MVP has to learn new footwork. Cruz can say all he wants about McAdoo not "forcing" his offensive system but when Eli not only has to come to the LOS to figure out the defense, call a play, figure out the depth and timing of a pass route and then figure out his footwork, that's "forcing" your offensive system on Eli.
Not every good comment about McAdoo and the new offense is and should be a knock on the old OC and his system.
Ronnie, you inadvertently nailed the problem with Gilbrides syatem ..." who excelled in the old system due to his ability to be on the same page as the QB in the option route offense". Only receivers with this ability could be successful. If one of these got injured (it happens) its a tough proposition for a backup to excel, and forget about bringing a free agent off the street. This is where the system falls apart.
That ain't on Gilbride's.
There's a tendency on this board to exonerate a player or unit if there was also a problem with other players or units. It is not impossible that there were multiple culpable agents last year
I disagree. Cruz made Cruz. It helped to have a very good QB. Cruz probably would have had similar success in other systems too. He is a very talented WR.
Lol. Sure he did.
To say otherwise is a myth that some Giants fans want to believe.
The offensive problems last year were not Gilbride. We had no OL, no RBs, no TEs, one WR, and a QB making bad decisions under duress.
First, every offensive system requires the WR to be on the same page as the QB to be successful. Wasn't one of Eli misses the other day a play with a miscommunication with Randle. So why does it appear that you are attributing that requirement to Gilbride's system only?
Second, as for it being a tough system for backups to excel in, every season expect for 2007 there was a third wide receiver on the Giants who had 35 or more catches. Not Tight end or Running Back but a third Wide Reciever aka one of the backups who had nearly 40 catches. In fact, 2008 had four wide receivers with 35 or more catches.
As for street free agents, just how often does a team have to use street free agents as its main pass catchers? Not as special team players or to fill out the back end of the roster but as main pass catchers? Because otherwise, there is time to acclimate them into the system. Also once again, every system would falter if the team was reduced to replying on street free agents for major contributions instead of a stopgap measure...
but only time will tell if BMac's system produces better results.
How about finding a different endearment for McAdoo.
We'll see how this goes, but oipolloi has, in essence, stolen my BBI identity and I'd like it back.