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Very telling quotes from Victor Cruz

mrvax : 8/30/2014 6:58 pm
In Serby’s Sunday Q& A with Victor Cruz, Cruz was asked to comment on McAdoo.

"Ben McAdoo is an extremely smart guy, offensively understands exactly what he wants to get from his players, and really works hard at understanding his players and what he has from a personnel standpoint — more than forcing the offense on the players, more like putting the players in position to make plays in the offense."

IMO, he is saying that Gilbride made up plays not considering the actual players that were to execute the plays. Interesting that Cruz used the word "forced". I'd think when making a play book, you'd have to take into consideration your players and take advantage of their talents and hide their weaknesses.

I know I'll get bashed but I'm glad Gilbride "retired".


Serby’s Sunday Q&A with Victor Cruz - ( New Window )
Not groundbreaking, Coughlin always say that players need to excute  
Mason : 8/30/2014 7:03 pm : link
the gameplan and adjust. 'Buy in' motto. There has always been debate over this philosophy pro and con on here.
Until we see  
rob13934 : 8/30/2014 7:05 pm : link
How the OL holds up and how improved the new offense is I'll hold of on any opinion on Gilbride.

However, I'll definitely be happy to never see a shotgun draw on 3-1 again. I still can't believe how often it seemed to work when everyone knew it was coming.
not of  
rob13934 : 8/30/2014 7:06 pm : link
off
I was glad to see a new system in play  
jcn56 : 8/30/2014 7:07 pm : link
only because I thought changes to the CBA/rules made the old one basically obsolete (not enough time and too many injuries to have the continuity needed to execute properly).

That said, I think you're both reaching a bit. Coughlin's statement that players should play and coaches should coach is old, sound advice. As for the vaxman's interpretation of Cruz's statements, I think that's reading into it a bit too much. It's possible to complement McAdoo without it being a swipe at Gilbride, which seems to be the case here. He's not saying that it's nice to not be forced into a system, just that he's not the type of guy to do that. Big difference.
Love what gilbride did for the giants.  
Giants Fan in Steelers Land : 8/30/2014 7:09 pm : link
But last year showed he was too stubborn to adapt and it was time for a change. I think a new offense that is more WR friendly and adaptive to the players on the roster will rejuvenate Eli.

Gilbride will be remembered for a maddeningly inconsistent offense, but more importantly he will always be remembered for coaching an offense that at it's best was an unstoppable deep passing attack that produced so many spectacular plays and unprobable wins, including 2 Super Bowl victories over the best coach - qb combo of the era.
We won two Super Bowls with the offense  
BlackLight : 8/30/2014 7:10 pm : link
that Gilbride was "forcing" on the players. Things cratered last season because the line couldn't protect Eli well enough to give him time, and because there was no real receiving threat outside of Cruz for defenses to worry about. So Cruz got doubled, and Eli had to force throws in to lesser players, and with a pass rush bearing down on him.

Gilbride was not the problem. And I don't think Cruz was even implying that he was.
Remember when  
Moondwg : 8/30/2014 7:14 pm : link
Carlos Rodgers, the pro-bowler said "I can't cover no options routes," as Cruz torched them in the NFC title game.

Good times.
Gilbride's offense was built around Eli's strengths...  
Milton : 8/30/2014 7:22 pm : link
...one of which is his intelligence, another of which was his ability to throw the long ball. And isn't the QB--particularly a franchise QB--the one whom you want your offense to be most suited?
He may be designing plays for the strengths of the RBs, WRs, etc  
gmen1234 : 8/30/2014 7:28 pm : link
but the QB is struggling.
RE: Gilbride's offense was built around Eli's strengths...  
Bill in UT : 8/30/2014 7:28 pm : link
In comment 11834027 Milton said:
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...one of which is his intelligence, another of which was his ability to throw the long ball. And isn't the QB--particularly a franchise QB--the one whom you want your offense to be most suited?


For all of Eli's intelligence, he probably makes more bad decisions than any other top QB in the league
I read the interview Eli did on reddit  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 7:30 pm : link
Don't have the link but two concepts he said he was relearning were terminology and foot work.

Our Eli has had plenty of situations where he's off his back foot or he's twisted up, whatever. For a QB in a fast paced offense, the footwork is critical.

He was talking about things as elementary as which foot lands first after he receives the exchange. The coaches are preaching, "trust your feet." Footwork, footwork, footwork, keep your eys peeled.

He also said Richie seubert was the least hygienic teammate he's received snaps from. Lol

By fast pace I mean 3-5 step drops and ball is out  
glowrider : 8/30/2014 7:31 pm : link
You can't land on the wrong foot in your drop back and make that throw on time and expect pure passing.
RE: We won two Super Bowls with the offense  
Josh in the City : 8/30/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 11834012 BlackLight said:
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Gilbride was not the problem. And I don't think Cruz was even implying that he was.


If you don't think Gilbride was at least part of the problem then you're simply not paying attention.
RE: We won two Super Bowls with the offense  
mrvax : 8/30/2014 7:36 pm : link
In comment 11834012 BlackLight said:
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Gilbride was not the problem. And I don't think Cruz was even implying that he was.


It's very obvious that Cruz was referring to Gilbride. Cruz has only had 2 offensive coordinators. Gilbride and McAdoo. He is comparing his old system to the new one. Re-read the quote.
Glad you read into his comment what you  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 7:42 pm : link
Wanted to read into it. Especially coming from a guy (Cruz) who excelled in the old system due to his ability to be on the same page as the QB in the option route offense.

Not every good comment about McAdoo and the new offense is and should be a knock on the old OC and his system.
RE: RE: We won two Super Bowls with the offense  
Mad Mike : 8/30/2014 7:44 pm : link
In comment 11834041 Josh in the City said:
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If you don't think Gilbride was at least part of the problem then you're simply not paying attention.

This is some of your best work.
RE: Glad you read into his comment what you  
mrvax : 8/30/2014 7:46 pm : link
In comment 11834054 RC02XX said:
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Wanted to read into it. Especially coming from a guy (Cruz) who excelled in the old system due to his ability to be on the same page as the QB in the option route offense.

Not every good comment about McAdoo and the new offense is and should be a knock on the old OC and his system.


I'm not "reading into it". Victor said "...and what he has from a personnel standpoint — more than forcing the offense on the players, more like putting the players in position to make plays in the offense."

It's obvious he's comparing his new system to the old.
Whatever you want to believe.  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 7:50 pm : link
You do realize that Cruz probably wouldn't have been as successful in any other system as his first NFL system, right? So he most definitely is making comparison at the expense of the old system instead of just giving an opinion on the positive of the new system. Giving praise to the new system and not comparing to the old one are not mutually exclusive.

But keep telling yourself that this new system is better than the old one even before this new one has had any success.
I think Mrvax is right about Cruz  
oipolloi : 8/30/2014 7:52 pm : link
He does seem to be implying that Gilbride's system forced players to adapt, whereas BMac designed the offense to fit the personnel

but only time will tell if BMac's system produces better results.

And him saying McAdoo isn't forcing his players into a system  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 7:53 pm : link
Is not equal to "but our old one did." Hence you're reading into this what you want to read into it. Until he actually compares the new OC to the old one and the two systems, you're putting words into his mouth based on your own opinion of Gilbride. You may want to learn how I read properly.
And since oi agreed with you...  
RC02XX : 8/30/2014 7:54 pm : link
I rest my case.
RE: Whatever you want to believe.  
mrvax : 8/30/2014 7:54 pm : link
In comment 11834066 RC02XX said:
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But keep telling yourself that this new system is better than the old one even before this new one has had any success.


I never said that. Neither did Cruz. He merely stated the difference between the two.
RE: Whatever you want to believe.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2014 8:02 pm : link
In comment 11834066 RC02XX said:
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You do realize that Cruz probably wouldn't have been as successful in any other system as his first NFL system, right?


Based on what are we saying this?
Reading too much into it  
steve in ky : 8/30/2014 8:02 pm : link
Why does one person having a style or attribute mean another person doesn't or must have the opposite?

Why if he is complimenting McAdoo do you assume he is also trying to knock Gilbride when doing so?

He is simply describing McAdoo, it doesn't have any bearing on how he might describe Gilbride. Maybe he would assign the exact same idea of his placing players in positions to succeed as he does McAdoo. Two people can have the same attributes.

One more thought  
steve in ky : 8/30/2014 8:04 pm : link
Cruz absolutely flourished in Gilbride's offense, I really seriously doubt he has many if any negative thoughts about it.
Gilbride  
bc4life : 8/30/2014 8:20 pm : link
had bad talent last year. Worst O-Line since the Jeff Hatch days.

Maybe it was time for a change, but, Lombardi wasn't winning with last year's O.
An offensive genius...  
M.S. : 8/30/2014 8:32 pm : link
... would have lost with the shit show of an offensive line we fielded last season.

That ain't on Gilbride's.

If footwork is the really important thing in McAdoo's offense,  
Bobby Epps : 8/30/2014 8:36 pm : link
then let's get someone from Dancing With The Stars to play QB.

It's ridiculous IMO that a 2-time SB MVP has to learn new footwork. Cruz can say all he wants about McAdoo not "forcing" his offensive system but when Eli not only has to come to the LOS to figure out the defense, call a play, figure out the depth and timing of a pass route and then figure out his footwork, that's "forcing" your offensive system on Eli.
RE: Glad you read into his comment what you  
River Mike : 8/30/2014 9:39 pm : link
In comment 11834054 RC02XX said:
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Wanted to read into it. Especially coming from a guy (Cruz) who excelled in the old system due to his ability to be on the same page as the QB in the option route offense.

Not every good comment about McAdoo and the new offense is and should be a knock on the old OC and his system.


Ronnie, you inadvertently nailed the problem with Gilbrides syatem ..." who excelled in the old system due to his ability to be on the same page as the QB in the option route offense". Only receivers with this ability could be successful. If one of these got injured (it happens) its a tough proposition for a backup to excel, and forget about bringing a free agent off the street. This is where the system falls apart.
RE: An offensive genius...  
River Mike : 8/30/2014 9:42 pm : link
In comment 11834104 M.S. said:
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... would have lost with the shit show of an offensive line we fielded last season.

That ain't on Gilbride's.


There's a tendency on this board to exonerate a player or unit if there was also a problem with other players or units. It is not impossible that there were multiple culpable agents last year
should have added..  
River Mike : 8/30/2014 9:43 pm : link
... or coach.
After watching this offense in the pre-season,  
The Duke : 8/30/2014 10:11 pm : link
I for one miss Kevin Gilbride! I'm sure Ben McAdoo is a smart guy and I will come to love his offense but right now Eli looks lost and very uncomfortable out there. How long that takes to change will determine what kind of season we have, along with the OL coming together (if it ever does).
Gilbride  
larryinnewhaven : 8/30/2014 10:22 pm : link
made Cruz like it or not. This comes off way disrespectful. Disappointing
RE: Gilbride  
mrvax : 8/30/2014 10:26 pm : link
In comment 11834203 larryinnewhaven said:
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made Cruz like it or not. This comes off way disrespectful. Disappointing


I disagree. Cruz made Cruz. It helped to have a very good QB. Cruz probably would have had similar success in other systems too. He is a very talented WR.
RE: Gilbride  
Ten Ton Hammer : 8/30/2014 10:30 pm : link
In comment 11834203 larryinnewhaven said:
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made Cruz like it or not. This comes off way disrespectful. Disappointing


Lol. Sure he did.
Funny how comment about McAdoo  
nicky43 : 8/30/2014 10:46 pm : link
gets interpreted as comments about Gilbride. LOL!
Gilbride  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 10:59 pm : link
did the same thing.

To say otherwise is a myth that some Giants fans want to believe.

The offensive problems last year were not Gilbride. We had no OL, no RBs, no TEs, one WR, and a QB making bad decisions under duress.

the  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 8/30/2014 11:00 pm : link
funny thing about coaches is they tend to look good when they have good players, and look bad when they don't.
I disagree  
Semipro Lineman : 8/30/2014 11:08 pm : link
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Ronnie, you inadvertently nailed the problem with Gilbrides syatem ..." who excelled in the old system due to his ability to be on the same page as the QB in the option route offense". Only receivers with this ability could be successful. If one of these got injured (it happens) its a tough proposition for a backup to excel, and forget about bringing a free agent off the street. This is where the system falls apart.


First, every offensive system requires the WR to be on the same page as the QB to be successful. Wasn't one of Eli misses the other day a play with a miscommunication with Randle. So why does it appear that you are attributing that requirement to Gilbride's system only?

Second, as for it being a tough system for backups to excel in, every season expect for 2007 there was a third wide receiver on the Giants who had 35 or more catches. Not Tight end or Running Back but a third Wide Reciever aka one of the backups who had nearly 40 catches. In fact, 2008 had four wide receivers with 35 or more catches.

As for street free agents, just how often does a team have to use street free agents as its main pass catchers? Not as special team players or to fill out the back end of the roster but as main pass catchers? Because otherwise, there is time to acclimate them into the system. Also once again, every system would falter if the team was reduced to replying on street free agents for major contributions instead of a stopgap measure...
RE: I think Mrvax is right about Cruz  
BMac : 8/31/2014 9:10 am : link
In comment 11834070 oipolloi said:
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He does seem to be implying that Gilbride's system forced players to adapt, whereas BMac designed the offense to fit the personnel

but only time will tell if BMac's system produces better results.


How about finding a different endearment for McAdoo.
If the offense sputters...  
Klaatu : 8/31/2014 9:12 am : link
How about McAdon't?
RE: If the offense sputters...  
BMac : 8/31/2014 9:22 am : link
In comment 11834477 Klaatu said:
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How about McAdon't?


We'll see how this goes, but oipolloi has, in essence, stolen my BBI identity and I'd like it back.
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