NFT: Fantasy chat: 8/31

not only because he is an eagle but because there are so many qbs this yeear outside the top 4

staff
cam
rg3
kap
wilson
ryan
big ben
romo
cutler

lynch depending on what round you got him in (1 its terrible, 2 is OK) and jennings may be in a timeshare or not carry it goal line, i like joque bell as your best RB to be honest

Took Dez first...Jennings in the 4th and I don't think he is going to lose goal line carries or be in much of a time share at all

In comment 11834489 CruzShip52 said:

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not only because he is an eagle but because there are so many qbs this yeear outside the top 4 staff cam rg3 kap wilson ryan big ben romo cutler

Staff cam Kap Wilson and ryan were all off the board when I picked Foles didn't take him until 9th

I get it. He plays for the Eagles. But he is an absolute fantasy stud in that offense. The team in my league that picked him up off the waiver wire was terrible. Once he picked Foles up, he proceeded to make the Super Bowl, where he lost. There is really no other reason to think that Foles won't be a top fantasy QB again this year, unless it's because he plays for the Eagles. People forget that he didn't even play the entire season last year. If you take his stats and extend them over an entire season, he would have been up there with Peyton last year, in terms of fantasy production

And screw Matt Ryan. He single hand idly cost me a chance at the championship last year. As soon as Julio went down, Ryan was completely useless. He can kiss my ass.

Allen in rd 3 is good value. Who went rd 4? Jennings or Foles? Either one, I'd say that's bad value.

but I would assume you took Foles pretty early. Personally, once you missed out on the top QB's, I'd wait til much later to take a QB. There are so many 3rd tier QB's this year that the value is insane. Guys like Rivers and Newton are going in rd 10, Brady and Romo in 7 and 8.

QB - Rodgers
RB - Forte, Gore
WR - Cruz, Torrey Smith
Flex - DeSean Jackson
TE - Jordan Cameron
DST - Carolina
K - Walsh

Bench

QB - Rivers
RB - SJax, Ingram, Carlos Hyde
WR - Hartline, Harry Douglas
TE - Gates
DST - Houston

should have read on first. Foles in the 9th is incredible value. Who the hell were your 5th, 6th and 7th picks?

if he's taken late in the 1st in a 12-team league.

In comment 11834631 kmed said:

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should have read on first. Foles in the 9th is incredible value. Who the hell were your 5th, 6th and 7th picks?

I took Reed 5th a little bit of a reach was going to go Cruz but passed

Wright in the 6th really like kendall Wright as a 3rd we

Bell in the 7th

Jennings wasn't getting to the 5th and he was the best rb on the board at 4

I'd be interested to know the 3 or 4 TE's drafted after Reed and what round and the 5 WR's taken after Wright.

but Reed's ADP is late 7th. I personally think that's way too early for him, I understand he's talented, but he's still at best, the 5th TE in my rankings. Wright's ADP is rd 8. I'd say there's a good chance you could have gotten both guys a rd later if not 2 rounds later than when you did. I guess Jennings in rd 4 isn't really bad value, but he's going in the 5th round of most drafts I see. If you really like him, I guess it's not terrible to grab him in the 4th. I think he can certainly end up as a valuable pick.

In comment 11834668 kmed said:

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I'd be interested to know the 3 or 4 TE's drafted after Reed and what round and the 5 WR's taken after Wright.

ERtz olsen Rudolph next 3 tight ends

Terrence Williams golden tate Mike Wallace Reggae wayne mike Evans next 5 wrs

In comment 11834671 kmed said:

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but Reed's ADP is late 7th. I personally think that's way too early for him, I understand he's talented, but he's still at best, the 5th TE in my rankings. Wright's ADP is rd 8. I'd say there's a good chance you could have gotten both guys a rd later if not 2 rounds later than when you did. I guess Jennings in rd 4 isn't really bad value, but he's going in the 5th round of most drafts I see. If you really like him, I guess it's not terrible to grab him in the 4th. I think he can certainly end up as a valuable pick.

In my league Jennings wasn't going in the 5th after I made the pick the 2 guys after me both said they were going jennings

I can't really get on you for the Jennings pick. I like him this year. Now Reed and Wright are a different story. There were probably some really, really good players still available with your 5th pick and you reached for a TE that's likely to finish somewhere "in the pack" with the 2nd level TE's. In round 6 you passed on some really good players to reach for a WR that you really liked. I'd be really surprised if he wouldn't have been available with your next pick. I also don't understand why you would like him so much to have to have him.

1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 3 RB/WR, 2 D, 1 DB

Peyton
Cutler

Morris
Rice
Pierce
Ingram
Robinson
Helu

Demaryius Thomas
Cobb
White
Cooper
Moore
Austin

Rudolph
Green

Prater/McManus

Burfict
Tulloch
Earl Thomas

.

I just really likes Wright as my 3rd wr...i still end up with Joique bell as my 3rd rb so I think it worked out

Hindsight your probably right I reached for those 2

think of Rueben Randle this year? Is the light going to go on?

that shows a player's average draft position and that also allows you to search by player names?

I like your team a lot. Was Sanders off the board when you took Wright?

As a WR3, a guy who caught over 90 balls for over 1,000 yards isn't anything I'd be worried about. You have to figure he gets into the endzone more than 2 times this year. That was the only thing that hurt his value. If he had scored a few more times last year, people would have been all over him as a WR2 this year.

In comment 11834704 arcarsenal said:

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I like your team a lot. Was Sanders off the board when you took Wright? As a WR3, a guy who caught over 90 balls for over 1,000 yards isn't anything I'd be worried about. You have to figure he gets into the endzone more than 2 times this year. That was the only thing that hurt his value. If he had scored a few more times last year, people would have been all over him as a WR2 this year.

Yeah sanders was gone in 4th

I have the 5th pick in my draft. 12 teams. PPR. 6 points all TDs.

Assuming McCoy, Peterson, Charles, and Forte go top 4, where do I go with the 5th.

I'm really leaning towards Manning.... Do I pass on C. Johnson and Lacy for QB?

There's really no one I love there. I feel like it's about 1-2 picks early for Peyton, Calvin.. probably 2-3 picks too early for Graham.. I think 5 is also too early for Lacy. Don't like Lynch there either. It's just the one spot where I feel like you're not really able to get full value this year. I mean, I could turn out to be totally wrong it just feels that way.

He's more of a 7th round guy, but you took J Bell in the 7th who's more of a 6th round guy; so it evens out.

I like Reed and drafted him as well, but you made a major reach in the 5th round. I wouldn't mind it as much if he wasn't such an injury concern.

I'm not the hugest Foles fan, but him in the 9th round is absurd. That OL is fantastic and LeSean/Sproles should be able to help him out with YAC screens.

Emmanuel Sanders in the 4th round is absolute craziness.

I am in a pickle, have a keeper league and everyone keeps 2 players. Standard scoring, I pick fourth and the players that are available are: Jamal Charles, McCoy, Lynch, Brees, Rodgers, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, Andre Ellington and jimmy graham. I am assuming Lynch, McCoy and Charles will be gone by pick 4.. Who would you guys pick at 4?

In comment 11834775 TommyWiseau said:

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I am in a pickle, have a keeper league and everyone keeps 2 players. Standard scoring, I pick fourth and the players that are available are: Jamal Charles, McCoy, Lynch, Brees, Rodgers, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, Andre Ellington and jimmy graham. I am assuming Lynch, McCoy and Charles will be gone by pick 4.. Who would you guys pick at 4?

Thomas or dez

You're getting one of the top 5 RBs and still get a modest 2nd round pick in return.

I'm on the Lacy bandwagon. He looked awesome last year, and he has looked awesome this preseason. He's going to be a stud.

He went in the 8th in the league I drafted for last week.

In comment 11834784 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 11834775 TommyWiseau said: Quote: I am in a pickle, have a keeper league and everyone keeps 2 players. Standard scoring, I pick fourth and the players that are available are: Jamal Charles, McCoy, Lynch, Brees, Rodgers, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, Andre Ellington and jimmy graham. I am assuming Lynch, McCoy and Charles will be gone by pick 4.. Who would you guys pick at 4? Thomas or dez

Was leaning towards Thomas or Demarco Murray

In comment 11834775 TommyWiseau said:

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I am in a pickle, have a keeper league and everyone keeps 2 players. Standard scoring, I pick fourth and the players that are available are: Jamal Charles, McCoy, Lynch, Brees, Rodgers, Demaryius Thomas, Julio Jones, AJ Green, Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, Andre Ellington and jimmy graham. I am assuming Lynch, McCoy and Charles will be gone by pick 4.. Who would you guys pick at 4?

Thomas

with your first round pick you want a sure thing. You won't win your league in the 1st rd. but you can put a big dent in your chances if you muff it. In other words don't sweat #5. take the guy you feel you can depend on the most. #'s fluctuate each way so whichever rb/wr you get there it can go either way. Peyton is not the worst pick there. I'd probably go Megatron. there's not much more of a sure thing if he stays healthy than that.

.25 PPR, 5 points per TD pass, 2nd overall pick. Round I took the players in parentheses.

QB - Ryan (8), Rivers (10)
RB - McCoy (1), Foster (3), Jennings (5th), Williams (9), Freeman (14th)
WR - A. Brown (2), Patterson (4), V. Davis (6), K. Wright (7), Watkins (11), Cameron (13)
D - Rams (12)
K - Gould (15)

We dont start a TE, thats why both of them are listed as WRs. I was pissed because Julio went the pick before Brown and Cobb went the pick before Patterson. Pretty happy with my squad though.

I picked 9th, league has keepers but we can't keep anyone that gets drafted rounds 1 or 2 so some top players are still there but defnitely a dropoff after the top 4 rb wise and top 3 wr wise.

.5 ppr, 25 yard per pass point, 10 yards/point, 4point passing td

QB: Wilson (8th rd)
HB: Bernard (6th/keeper) Mathews (3rd round(not much else there) P. THomas, Pierce, ridley (10th round)
WR: Thomas (1st) V. Jackson(2nd) T. Smith (4th) M. Floyd (9th keeper) J. Hunter, M. Austin
TE: Clay and Miller
K: Tucker
Def: NE

Overall wasn't a bad draft for me, league projections have me 3rd overall.

My HBs aren't amazing but can be a solid group, and if Ridley takes over that number 1 spot and doesn't fumble that was great value imo.

WRs are fairly strong
TE is fairly weak but wasn't much available for me
QB: I'll probably pick up someone else off the waiver wire but for now just going with wilson, as he was ranked in the top 10 last year and he's looking to be even better if the preseason coutns for anything.

Team One gets
Jamal Charles
Randal Cobb

Team Two gets
Matt Forte
Victor Cruz

Big time.

You'll probably start Rivers over Ryan more often than not this year. I think Rivers will be the better FFQB. And just better in general.

I'm just not high on Ryan.. he's not a guy I'm looking to draft this year unless I get cornered into it.

Team 1 gets the better RB AND the better WR. I know BBI is all on the Victor Cruz bandwagon, cause we are all Giants fans, but Cobb is the safer bet. Cruz and Eli have not been on the same page.

Guys usually go much higher.

Lynch is the 5th ranked rb in virtually any scoring format.

It's a 12 team league that starts 3-WR

QB: Cutler, RGIII
RB: Peterson, Spiller, Tate, Ingram
WR: Marshall, A.Brown, Hilton, Hopkins, Stills
TE: Olsen
PK: Gould
DEF: 49ers

Thanks ahead of time.

In comment 11834968 arcarsenal said:

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You'll probably start Rivers over Ryan more often than not this year. I think Rivers will be the better FFQB. And just better in general. I'm just not high on Ryan.. he's not a guy I'm looking to draft this year unless I get cornered into it.

I disagree Ryan is in for a huge year with healthy Julio

But I still don't know how good that OL is going to be and no one knows if Julio will be healthy all year or not. His best year (2012), he was the 7th best QB in my league.. which is good. But I think realistically, he'll be right on the bubble of the top 10 this year. Which means.. if you're in a 10 team league and he's the guy you start every week, the majority of the teams in the league will probably have someone slightly/decently better.

Guys, I'm in a quandary.

I have Gronk as my only TE in a 12 team, ESPN standard league. My current WRs/TE are as follows:

WR: Jordy Nelson, Antonio Brown, Hakeem Nicks, R. Randle, Kenny Stills and Josh Gordon.

Should I wait to hear about an injunction for Gordon and drop Stills or should I give up on Gordon?

And I'm not exactly thrilled about it, but he's growing on me more and more. The OL has a cause for alarm me, but they've made improvements.

They had that awful Center Konz who got replaced by Hawley midway through the season who proved to be a pretty good reliable Center. They signed the guard Jon Asamaoh(sp?) who should be an upgrade. Not to mention they drafted a day one blindside protector in Jake Matthews.

The silver lining in last years WR debacle is that it gave Harry Douglas a lot of reps and he looked pretty good. Now Harry Douglas is the 3rd WR and they have a fully healthy Roddy and Julio. It's not a lock they'll stay healthy, but right now things are looking good for that offense.

Lets also not forget about the fact that ATL defense is absolutely brutal. Matt Ryan is going to be slinging it all day to keep ATL in the game.

no reason to hold on to him for this season.

My Eagles-crazed friend in my 10 team league gave me megaton and AJ green for McCoy and nicks. Now I have a glut of receivers with Julio Jones, Cruz and Welker as well. I've been trying to package Cruz and panthers D with one of my QBs (Big Ben, Matt Ryan, and Dalton) for a better QB but no takers so far. What QB should I go after?

I guess try trading a Giants crazed fan Cruz and Welker for Aaron Rodgers.

Everyone else in the league is pretty reasonable when It trades. This guy always does random stuff that seem highly questionable but he manages to get 2nd place virtually every year.

For Rodgers I would offer Jones in the mix but I'm too paranoid about his health. I think I might just sit on the excessive depth until people become desperate for WRs.

He broke his collarbone and came back the same season. I don't know how you could be paranoid about Rodgers' health but not Julio Jones when he's been an injury concern his NFL career.

I don't know anything about your scoring system or what players get started, but Rodgers shouldn't be an injury concern.

For him?

Is it 4 point for passing TDs? How many passing yards per point? Is this a PPR league? If so, 1 PPR or .5 PPR?

Also, does your league start 3WR or 2WR? Is there a flex?

My league randomized the draft order tonight and OF COURSE I got 5th. It's always the one slot I don't want that I get.

So.. for the next 3 days I'll be debating with myself... Calvin or Lacy. Or Lynch. Or Peyton.

That might help the pain go away.

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If your league is QB favored (like 6 point TDs) maybe Peyton is the way to go. I'm a big Eddie Lacy fan and would not hesitate to take him there. Then again, I drafted CJ Spiller in the first last year. Maybe I wouldn't have lost in the championship if I went with a safe first round pick.

I think Lacy is way safer of a pick than CJ Spiller was last year though.

...Brees or Rodgers at 15, so I probably won't take Peyton there. I think it's really either Calvin or Lacy.

If I take Calvin, I think I'd have to go RB (Ball, Murray or Bernard) at 15 because I'd be too worried about being left with a Morris, Martin or Stacy as my RB1.

But if I take Lacy, I think I could take Brees or Rodgers at 15 and still have a shot at Antonio Brown at 25.

He went 24th in my league. If you manage to get one of Jordy Nelson or Antonio Brown at 25 you're set. If neither of them are there, you're kinda fucked out of WR. Maybe Alshon slips? You'd probably have to reach for Cobb at that point.

Either way, WR is just such a stacked position. You may not end up with a strong WR1, but you can still have a rock solid WR group paired up with a strong RB1 and strong QB. When you're 4th pick comes around you'll end up with a guy like Keenan Allen, VJax, Roddy White, Pierre Garcon, etc. That's a pretty nice selection.

The guy in my other league who had 5th pick went Lacy, got Bernard in the 2nd and then actually got Rodgers at 25 which I would sign up for in a second. He could have taken Ball in the 2nd, too. I'd probably prefer to get a WR instead in the 2nd but middle second, all those top tier guys are usually off the board. Marshall was the last one and went 1 pick before him.

Lacy, Marshall, Rodgers in the first 3 rounds would be a grand slam.

It is a PPR league with 12 teams and I was #11 to draft.

Tony Romo/Eli Manning
Ray Rice/Rashad Jennings/Trent Richardson/Carlos Hyde/Andre Williams/Khiry Robinson
Larry Fitzgerald/Demaryius Thomas/Dez Bryant/Mike Wallace/Danny Amendola/Steve Johnson
Ladarius Green/Eric Ebron/Tim Wright
Giants
McManus

Let me know what you think

Really like Jennings as an RB2 but it looks like you took Rice way too early. And Eli shouldn't be on any FF roster this year even as a backup. There's got to be someone better you can grab.

QB: Tom Brady

WR: AJ Green

WR: Randall Cobb

WR: Kendall Wright

RB: Montee Ball

RB: Shane Vereen

TE: Jordan Cameron

W/R/T: Cecil Shorts



Defense: Buffalo

Defensive Player: Luke Kuechly



Bench:



RB Carlos Hyde

RB Deangelo Williams

WR Reuben Randle

TE Tim Wright

QB Eli Manning

WR Dwayne Bowe

In comment 11835643 Joeguido said:

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It is a PPR league with 12 teams and I was #11 to draft. Tony Romo/Eli Manning Ray Rice/Rashad Jennings/Trent Richardson/Carlos Hyde/Andre Williams/Khiry Robinson Larry Fitzgerald/Demaryius Thomas/Dez Bryant/Mike Wallace/Danny Amendola/Steve Johnson Ladarius Green/Eric Ebron/Tim Wright Giants McManus Let me know what you think

I would agree with your assessment. So you went Thomas/Dez 1st and 2nd round respectively and then Fitz, Jennings? I do not like the Fitz pick at all considering your team and early 4th is at the peak of Jennings value, but you had no shot at him coming back to you grabbed him. Other than that, I really don't like your team....no offense.

seems like you got some good value considering ADP's. You would appear to have a lot of question marks, but a pretty high upside, IMO.

You took Calvin, right? Did you pick 5th or 6th?

but I would have taken calvin 5th as well(assuming charles, mccoy, forte and AP were gone).

I would agree with your assessment. So you went Thomas/Dez 1st and 2nd round respectively and then Fitz, Jennings? I do not like the Fitz pick at all considering your team and early 4th is at the peak of Jennings value, but you had no shot at him coming back to you grabbed him. Other than that, I really don't like your team....no offense. [/quote]

Yup I think I was half asleep....Fanduel here I come. I'll just consider this other league a donation.

considering starting Kaep vs Dallas over Cam vs TB. Thoughts?

Dallas' defense should be terrible, specifically their pass defense. San Fran's defense won't be as strong so it might be a high scoring affair. San Fran also has lots of weapons with the additions of Johnson and a healthy Crabtree. Throw in Cam's injury situation and I'd agree with kaep.

In comment 11835951 Jon in NYC said:

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considering starting Kaep vs Dallas over Cam vs TB. Thoughts?

With Dallas D that might be a good plan...

and to see who my flex is. Trying to decide between:

Golden Tate-I also have Calvin and they are playing the Giants who could have a great pass defense.

Bishop Sankey-Dude's got talent, but will he get the rock enough early on to make him a flex? Risky.

Greg Olsen-An average TE as my flex? Upside would be severely limited.

Danny Ammendola-I'd probably prefer to let him prove something before making him a starter.

Steve Smith-Dudes a baller, but he's now the #2 on a team that isn't known for throwing a lot.

12 team PPR money league, #8 pick.
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K, D/ST

QB: Kaepernick(1)
RB: Bell(3), Rice(7), Sankey(8), Richardson(9), West(11), Freeman(13)
WR: Thomas 1), Marshall(2), Patterson(5), Wright(6), Hopkins(12)
TE: Gronkowski(4), Kelce(15)
K: Bryant(16)
D/ST: Cincinnati(14)

I can see your problem- running backs drop off after round two. There are a lot of iffy runners later on and you grabbed them all. Who knows, if one or two of those iffy runners do well, you won't be so bad. You have great WRs and Romo should have to throw a lot. Green your TR should get better as season goes on.

In comment 11835947 kmed said:

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but I would have taken calvin 5th as well(assuming charles, mccoy, forte and AP were gone).

I have 5th pick and I'm totally torn between Calvin and Lacy. I was a little sour on Lacy but I've warmed up to him a bit.

I want to be able to take Brees if he's there for my 2nd pick but I don't want to be left without a RB til rd 3.. but the idea of having a top 2 QB and WR (probably the #1 WR) is pretty tempting. But I'd probably be looking at Morris/Martin/Stacy as a RB1 then.. which I don't love.

Unless I could get an Antonio Brown in rd 3 and then go Jennings in rd. 4.. but I get stuck on not having a true RB1. I guess it's about having the best players, though.

Like.. if I took Lacy 5th, Brees 15th and then got Brown in the 3rd.. I think that would be a pretty damn good base.

In comment 11835966 Spock said:

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I can see your problem- running backs drop off after round two. There are a lot of iffy runners later on and you grabbed them all. Who knows, if one or two of those iffy runners do well, you won't be so bad. You have great WRs and Romo should have to throw a lot. Green your TR should get better as season goes on.

That's what I was hoping I realize I messed up after the second round and tried to recover with "hopeful" picks in the later rounds.

In comment 11835966 Spock said:

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I can see your problem- running backs drop off after round two. There are a lot of iffy runners later on and you grabbed them all. Who knows, if one or two of those iffy runners do well, you won't be so bad. You have great WRs and Romo should have to throw a lot. Green your TR should get better as season goes on.

That's a really nice spin to make him feel better, but you are better off just shooting the dude straight. He already acknowledged that things didn't go so well for the draft. Which of his "iffy" RB's could do well? They are all backups and need injuries to have a role. Also, I think Green is very talented, but Gates is going to play significantly and I don't see Green as a fantasy starter unless Gates gets hurt.

Do you think I should go two RBs at 10 and 11, or one RB and one WR?

Running backs scare me after you pass round 2.5.

the following players will be off the board when you pick:

Charles, Mccoy, Forte, AP, Calvin

With the 10th pick, without knowing your league rules or roster requirements, I'd be targetting one of Peyton or Brees and one of Lynch, Demarius Thomas, Dez, AJ Green, Marshall.

who is included in the guys that will be off the board. So with those 6, you can get 2 of the following players:

RB's:
Lynch-only RB worthy of that pick valuewise

WR's:
Thomas
Dez
AJ Green
Marshall
I'd figure at least 2 of those guys will be gone, if not 3.

QB's:
Peyton
Brees
Rodgers

If it were me and my league, I'd probably go with one of Peyton or Brees and then either Lynch or one of the top tier WR's available.

for a 12 team, .5 PPR, 6 point QB TD league tomorrow.

If I have a top 3 pick I need to get one of Payton, Brees or Rodgers, right? 6 points for a TD is a total gamechanger.

J. Reed (Wash)

or

V. Davis (SF).

I think Reed has more upside, but had a sprained thumb.

In comment 11836001 Jon in NYC said:

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for a 12 team, .5 PPR, 6 point QB TD league tomorrow. If I have a top 3 pick I need to get one of Payton, Brees or Rodgers, right? 6 points for a TD is a total gamechanger.

It's 6 points for passing TD's in my league too but I don't think any of those guys will go top 3. The RB's will still go first.

3rd pick. 6 points Per TD pass. No PPR. I royally fucked things up.

QB - Rivers, Eli, Flacco
RB - McCoy, Foster, Sankey, Williams
WR - V. Jackson, Patterson, Harvin, D. Jackson, T. Austin, Lee.
TE - Graham, Fleener
K - Bailey, Prater
IDP - Laurinitis, Weddle, H. Smith, Misi, Beason, Dave Harris.

My QBs in a 2 QB league are jsut too weak. I wanted a stud RB with the 3rd pick, but passed on Rodgers. I took Graham in the 2nd, but the QBs that went was just way too fast. By the time between I took Rivers and my next pick, everyone had 2 QBs by the end of 4 rounds. Yuck.

In comment 11836033 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 11836001 Jon in NYC said: Quote: for a 12 team, .5 PPR, 6 point QB TD league tomorrow. If I have a top 3 pick I need to get one of Payton, Brees or Rodgers, right? 6 points for a TD is a total gamechanger. It's 6 points for passing TD's in my league too but I don't think any of those guys will go top 3. The RB's will still go first.

If I have the no. 1 pick, you think it's a mistake to go Payton?

You'll still be able to get a good QB later. The RB dropoff is going to be pretty stark if you don't take one with the 1st pick. I'd take one of the elite RB's and when you get back to back picks with your 2nd and 3rd pick you'll scoop a WR and maybe an RB2.. depends who's there.

If I don't take a RB in my 10 and 11 picks, by the time it gets back to me at 29 there will not be a sexy RB who is a 1 RB in my opinion. I will be left to choose two RBs at 29 and 30 like Morris, Jennings, the Bell boys, and the likes of Bishop Sankey.

Do I dare wait that long to pick up a RB?

Because this draft is loaded with WRs, I think I need to go RB at both 10 and 11. I guess Ball and Gio.

Don't you think that is better than Peyton and Dez, especially considering I can pick up Stafford or Brady in the 5-6 rounds and grab Cruz, Antonio, or Keenan at 29 and 30.

Let me tell you right off, everything that has been printed this preseason has said that Gio Bernard will split carries with Jeremy Hill. Both of their preseason performances have confirmed those projections. Gio Bernard in the 2nd or 3rd rd is a complete overdraft. Jeremy Hill in the 9th or 10th rd is a much better value.

Gio will have slightly more value in a PPR league but you are much better off grabbing Gronk in the 3rd and Shane Vereen in the 4th. Vereen > Gio without question.

Top 5 WR rankings in PPR:

Calvin
Dez
Marshall
Julio Jones
AJGreen. (Dalton sucks)

The best 2 IDPs that nobody's drafting:
Shazier
Kirksey

Both potential top 10 tacklers this year.

Don't draft any Giants unless you're going to trade them to a Giants homer.

If you don't draft Peyton Manning, load up elsewhere and grab Brady in the 6th or 7th.

Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger > Foles/Ryan/Dalton


And yes, in a 6pt per TD league, Peyton Manning is the # 1 pick.

I agree, if you have to start 2 of those 3, yikes!!!!

Rivers is a stud nobody's taking seriously, Flacco could actually earn his money with Steve Smith inside, Torrey Smith deep, Pitta filling the lanes and a Rice out of the backfield. Eli's probably useless but Bortles will be relevant by October and is probably available.

It doesn't look that bad to me....

In comment 11836099 Rocky Thompson said:

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Let me tell you right off, everything that has been printed this preseason has said that Gio Bernard will split carries with Jeremy Hill. Both of their preseason performances have confirmed those projections. Gio Bernard in the 2nd or 3rd rd is a complete overdraft. Jeremy Hill in the 9th or 10th rd is a much better value. Gio will have slightly more value in a PPR league but you are much better off grabbing Gronk in the 3rd and Shane Vereen in the 4th. Vereen > Gio without question. Top 5 WR rankings in PPR: Calvin Dez Marshall Julio Jones AJGreen. (Dalton sucks) The best 2 IDPs that nobody's drafting: Shazier Kirksey Both potential top 10 tacklers this year. Don't draft any Giants unless you're going to trade them to a Giants homer. If you don't draft Peyton Manning, load up elsewhere and grab Brady in the 6th or 7th. Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger > Foles/Ryan/Dalton And yes, in a 6pt per TD league, Peyton Manning is the # 1 pick.

I agree with a lot of this. I didn't take Gio in the 2nd because I'm convinced Jeremy Hill is going to make the coaches feed him the rock. He's just so talented. I fucked up by taking LeVeon Bell though.

I really like Shane Vereen this year. The only thing stopping him from being a top 8 fantasy RB is health, which is a legit concern.

I like where you put BMarsh. He's getting underrated at this point. He's a PPR machine. Julio Jones is a stud if healthy, but that's a big if. He's due for a healthy year though.

I don't agree about Big Ben, but I agree about Phillip Rivers. Way underdrafted. I have Matt Ryan and Phillip Rivers, and I'm pretty sure I'm just going to end up starting Rivers more often than not.

For the first time in a long time the Steelers have no defense to speak of, Antonio Brown is right outside my top 5 WRs and Heath Miller will be better than Zack Ertz or Kyle Rudolph. Bell is not a bad pick, he can catch. Steelers will be playing a lot of high scoring games this year.

So Revised:

Calvin
D Thomas
Dez
Marshall
Julio
AJGreen
Antonio Brown

It's obvious that he's taking over Tony Gs role and will get a lot of those middle of the field underneath looks. He should put up great numbers in PPR formats.

I would agree but I don't think Matt Ryan is that good. With Julio all you have to do is get it close and he does the rest, I would consider Roddy a bigger injury risk than Julio. I'm much more comfortable with Reggie Wayne than Roddy White. I have, however, put some stock in Steven Jackson as an RB 3/ flex in deeper leagues, could be a valuable sleeper when healthy.

In comment 11836174 Rocky Thompson said:

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I would agree but I don't think Matt Ryan is that good. With Julio all you have to do is get it close and he does the rest, I would consider Roddy a bigger injury risk than Julio. I'm much more comfortable with Reggie Wayne than Roddy White. I have, however, put some stock in Steven Jackson as an RB 3/ flex in deeper leagues, could be a valuable sleeper when healthy.

I'd much rather have Roddy than a 35 year old Reggie Wayne coming off an ACL tear. And this is coming from someone who owns Wayne in my only league so far.

The only thing keeping Reggie Wayne from 80 receptions this year is Hakeem Nicks. Reggie is still the best WR on that team...

Look at the numbers Roddy put up with Matt Ryan as QB. Barring last year, it's all 1,100-1,300 receiving yards. Matt Ryan knows how to get Roddy White the ball. Matt Ryan also had a great 2012 year but suffered in 2013 because of that awful OL.

Roddy White being an injury concern is a misnomer (credit to robbieballs). He missed his only 3 games of his career last year. He tried fighting through injuries and that's why he struggled last year. There is absolutely no way Roddy White is more of an injury concern than Julio Jones. No shot.

Your fantasy team injured, like last year and unproductive or sitting out so you can replace him. He only missed 3 games physically, missed more than a dozen fantasy wise.

Look at Nicks for us, he played hurt without practice 2 years ago, was mostly ineffective and people are glad to see him go. Eli will miss Nicks more than anything else this year. If Reggie Wayne didn't have Hakeem Nicks stealing looks I'd venture to say that Wayne will be more productive than Victor Cruz because Cruz doesn't have Hakeem Nicks. Weird but true.

I like Roddy, I don't trust Ryan. Nicks will be a sleeper

In comment 11836207 Rocky Thompson said:

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Your fantasy team injured, like last year and unproductive or sitting out so you can replace him. He only missed 3 games physically, missed more than a dozen fantasy wise. Look at Nicks for us, he played hurt without practice 2 years ago, was mostly ineffective and people are glad to see him go. Eli will miss Nicks more than anything else this year. If Reggie Wayne didn't have Hakeem Nicks stealing looks I'd venture to say that Wayne will be more productive than Victor Cruz because Cruz doesn't have Hakeem Nicks. Weird but true. I like Roddy, I don't trust Ryan. Nicks will be a sleeper

There's no doubt he struggled last year. He tried fighting through injuries. It happens. Doesn't mean he's automatically an injury concern. Look at his last 5 games when he was finally healthy.

10 receptions, 143 yards

8 receptions, 74 yards

5 receptions, 53 yards

12 receptions, 141 yards, 1 TD

8 receptions, 91 yards, 1 TD

I'm not trying to be hypersensitive about Roddy White. It's just I felt the same way as you a couple of weeks back. I assumed his body was just breaking down. But it seems like he just tried playing through an injury when he should have sat out.

I'm not in love with Ryan, but I don't think he'll hurt Roddy's production all that much.

I do like Reggie Wayne too though. He has great value at where he's getting picked.

In comment 11836099 Rocky Thompson said:

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Let me tell you right off, everything that has been printed this preseason has said that Gio Bernard will split carries with Jeremy Hill. Both of their preseason performances have confirmed those projections. Gio Bernard in the 2nd or 3rd rd is a complete overdraft. Jeremy Hill in the 9th or 10th rd is a much better value. Gio will have slightly more value in a PPR league but you are much better off grabbing Gronk in the 3rd and Shane Vereen in the 4th. Vereen > Gio without question. Top 5 WR rankings in PPR: Calvin Dez Marshall Julio Jones AJGreen. (Dalton sucks) The best 2 IDPs that nobody's drafting: Shazier Kirksey Both potential top 10 tacklers this year. Don't draft any Giants unless you're going to trade them to a Giants homer. If you don't draft Peyton Manning, load up elsewhere and grab Brady in the 6th or 7th. Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger > Foles/Ryan/Dalton And yes, in a 6pt per TD league, Peyton Manning is the # 1 pick.

Meh, if you can get Brees in the 2nd rd, I think the value is just as good (if not slightly better) than Peyton in the 1st. Especially at #1 overall. I think their numbers are going to be much closer this year than people think.

Peyton will still almost certainly be the best QB, but he's not going to throw 55 TD passes again. He and Brees will converge a bit and finish pretty close to each other, IMO.. and I don't think Rodgers will be that far behind, either.

First off, I took Bernard in rd 3 which I saw as incredible value. I did not think he was worth my 15th overall pick, because I loved Brees' value at 15(and Lynch was available who I had rated much higher than Bernard), but I think his value was outstanding at 26. I'm not sure how preseason told you that they will split carries. Who got the majority of the reps with the starting offense? Bernard is the #1 back.

I forget who it was on bbi, but someone convinced me of his value and I became higher on Bernard, the more I researched him. Regardless of Hill's role, which probably won't be even as much as Benjarvis' role last year, Bernard has a lot of value. He was the 12th ranked RB last year despite getting 50 less carries than Green-Ellis. He really came on after week 3 and he was 2nd on the team in receptions. Bernard is electric and is going to be a bigger part of the offense than Hill who did great against backups in the preseason. I'd guess that Bernard will get at least 65% of the snaps at RB. He's a good runner, he's a good pass catcher and he's good by the goalline.

Whenever you try to predict what Bill Belichick is going to do at RB, you end up disappointed. There's usually value there, but you never know what he's going to do. Recent history suggests that he likes sharing time at RB a lot. The hype that Vereen has gotten this offseason is making him extremely overvalued. He very well could have limited value in fantasy football. He has no history of success and he's playing for a very unpredictable coach who's shared touches a lot recently. Pass on Vereen in the 4th.

Gronk in the 3rd is extremely risky. When healthy, he's got rd 1/2 talent, but he's coming back from a major knee injury that he sustained shortly after missing a ton of time from a major back injury. He's about as risky as they come and the upside from rd 3 is extremely risky. I love Gronk, but I'm not taking a shot on him in rd 3.

My WR rankings are similar, Calvin, Thomas, Dez, AJ Green, Marshall, Julio. AJ Green has had dalton for two years and put up insane numbers both years. Not sure why he will fall off now because "Dalton sucks".

In comment 11836192 Rocky Thompson said:

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The only thing keeping Reggie Wayne from 80 receptions this year is Hakeem Nicks. Reggie is still the best WR on that team...

What happened to TY Hilton? He caught 82 passes last year in that offense.

I'm assuming that when you say "bernard and hill will split carries, both of their preseason performances have confirmed that", you are trying to suggest that because Hill was fantastic against all the backups and has looked very solid playing against only backups, that he will get a large portion of the touches? Are you also suggesting that because Bernard played somewhat poorly in the preseason that he will have lost a bunch of touches that he would have gotten if he had a good preseason? They have a whole season of actual football to judge Bernard. This preseason meant nothing to him as far as performance. He proved last year that he can handle a lot of touches and be effective. He's going to get more touches this year than he did last year. Hill will get his, but he will probably get less touches than Green-Ellis did last year.

I guess first and foremost, Matt Ryan doesn't suck. He's had a lot of success in the NFL and can put up stats. White was a shell of himself last year, but he has WR1/2 potential. I love Wayne, but Hilton is the big play guy there. Nicks is their #3 and most likely won't rival Hilton or Wayne. TY Hilton is the WR I want on that team, but he went way too early for my taste.

In comment 11836365 kmed said:

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Whenever you try to predict what Bill Belichick is going to do at RB, you end up disappointed. There's usually value there, but you never know what he's going to do. Recent history suggests that he likes sharing time at RB a lot. The hype that Vereen has gotten this offseason is making him extremely overvalued. He very well could have limited value in fantasy football. He has no history of success and he's playing for a very unpredictable coach who's shared touches a lot recently. Pass on Vereen in the 4th.

This isn't really predicting what Belichick is going to do at RB; Shane Vereen is a WR in a RBs body as far as that offense goes. He's just another weapon for that team, what Ridley or James White does has no impact on Shane Vereen whatsoever.

Him having no history of success is just flat out wrong. When he was healthy last year, he produced.

Giovani Bernard in 16 games - 1209 total yards, 56 receptions, 8 TDs

Shane Vereen in 8 games - 635 total yards, 47 receptions, 4 TDs

Shane Vereen was on pace to having the same type of season as Gio with yards and TDs, but a shit load more receptions. Now those numbers are skewed because pace is a rough thing to estimate and Gio Bernard is getting a bigger role this year. But that's why Gio Bernard is a 2nd round pick (you got a steal in the 3rd) and Shane Vereen is a 4-5 round pick.

You're way off base here IMO. The only concern I have for Vereen is him staying on the field.

If you'll notice I said Peyton Manning was the # 1 pick overall in leagues that give 6 pts per passing TD. Bree's ain't gonna be there in the second round, would you take Bree's over Manning knowing the best available QB would probably be Stafford come your next pick? My leagues penalize for INTs, Stafford not even an option in my book.

on the Colts, Reggie Wayne is the best receiver...

Benard becoming a 2015 Top 3 RB next season? In other words will he be put in the AP, Charles, Mccoy class? This is too early but maybe next year?

In comment 11836434 Rocky Thompson said:

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If you'll notice I said Peyton Manning was the # 1 pick overall in leagues that give 6 pts per passing TD. Bree's ain't gonna be there in the second round, would you take Bree's over Manning knowing the best available QB would probably be Stafford come your next pick? My leagues penalize for INTs, Stafford not even an option in my book.

Rock.. I just drafted in a league that is 6 pts for pass TD's last week. Peyton went 9th overall and I took Brees at 16. Rodgers went 25th.

And Stafford is the 5th best QB in this class, IMO. Not even an option? That's lunacy.

That's what was reported, and that's what he played in preseason. TY Hilton is the big play threat on that team.

I get that Vereen was pretty good for 8 games last season, but that was pretty much my point.

2011: 5 games-57 total yards
2012: 13 games=400 total yards
2013: 8 games=635 total yards

Vereen went on a nice streak of catching balls, including a 12 catch game, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no history of success for a season. Partly because he hasn't been on the field for a full season, but that needs to be factored in.

Vereen is most certainly going to be a part of NE's offense, but to me, the 4th round is way too high considering his upside. He gets no carries, he gets little to no goalline work and he's quite inconsistent week to week.

In comment 11836447 Fish said:

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Benard becoming a 2015 Top 3 RB next season? In other words will he be put in the AP, Charles, Mccoy class? This is too early but maybe next year?

If I had to predict Bernard's season best case scenario:

1000 yards rushing
11 total TD's
65 catches
559 yards

That would put him right in the #5 range, below the top tier RB's.

offensive touches and last the full season, he will be a first round draft pick next year for sure.

I know you don't agree with most of what I say, that's cool, makes me confident in my thinking but you are just giving the wrong advice to people here about Gio Bernard, he's going to share the load equally with Jeremy Hill.

Player Note Fri, Aug 29
The Bengals' website suggests the team "must have thunder and lightning dancing through their heads" following rookie Jeremy Hill's performance in Thursday night's preseason finale.
Advice: Given a whopping 26 touches, Hill totaled 160 yards while earning the respect of teammates. Terence Newman and Jason Campbell both praised Hill for the effort, which included a funny-bone injury from which Hill returned to put the game away. Bengals.com's Geoff Hobson noted that Hill's workload "typified what new (OC) Hue Jackson wants," as he demonstrated "power," "speed," "vision," and "creativity," particularly on a weaving 41-yard screen pass where Hill "deked" a safety. Hill also "picked up a couple of blitzes," although he missed one, resulting in a sack of Campbell. Hill's ADP has climbed into the late-ninth-round, where he remains a value pick. Hill and Gio Bernard are expected to share carries this season in the "Thunder and Lightning" committee.
More: bengals.com
(Rotoworld.com)

Doesn't get any plainer than that. Are the HC and OC lying? Do you have a connection more inside than the HC and the OC?

It's personally my only concern as far as him being a fantasy prospect goes. I could be dead wrong though.

I couldn't possibly care less how few carries he has. It's all about total yardage and amount of receptions if you're in a PPR league. Him getting TDs is a concern legitimate concern.

4th round is an OK spot. I love him as a 5th rounder.

usually based on nothing. I read that passage on rotoworld. Where in that passage does an OC and/or HC discuss anything regarding playing time? What exactly would I suggest they are lying about? That they like him and how he's run in the preseason? I do not think that they are lying about that at all.

Regarding the thunder and lightening or any time share, it's the opinion of a writer based on preseason results. I do think Hill is going to snake some carries, but Bernard will get the majority of the touches and be extremely valuable for fantasy purposes.

The guy who picked Peyton 9 th will win the regular season. I don't know the rest of your scoring but at 6 pts per TD pass I would guess Manning had 450 pts last year, who can touch that of the 8 picks before Manning?

Btw, I like Brees, what's not to like but Personally I'd rather have ARod.

Stafford's primed for a great year but in a league that penalizes for INTs he's an after thought and I'm grabbing Brady in the 6th.

share carries does not mean 50/50.

In comment 11836495 Rocky Thompson said:

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The guy who picked Peyton 9 th will win the regular season. I don't know the rest of your scoring but at 6 pts per TD pass I would guess Manning had 450 pts last year, who can touch that of the 8 picks before Manning? Btw, I like Brees, what's not to like but Personally I'd rather have ARod. Stafford's primed for a great year but in a league that penalizes for INTs he's an after thought and I'm grabbing Brady in the 6th.

Dude, it's all relative. The top 5 fantasy players were QB's.

I got to get in some money leagues where people follow your advice.

We used to have some pretty differing opinions and I invited you into one of my leagues, so we do have a history. Do you remember what happened that season?

My RB1 is Adrian Peterson. The guy who took Peyton's RB1 is Rashad Jennings.

Just because he has Peyton doesn't mean he's going to win the league. That's silly.

Getting 200 carries each means 50/50

Defend it all you want, Gio taken anywhere ahead of Vereen was a bad pick...

and Bernard 170. I'd guess that Bernard will get 240 carries and Hill or another backup will get 150 carries.

In comment 11836504 kmed said:

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We used to have some pretty differing opinions and I invited you into one of my leagues, so we do have a history. Do you remember what happened that season?

Please, do tell...

I don't remember, let me guess you got one of your cronies to trade you Priest Holmes for a backup QB because you told him he was gonna be a #1 pick the following year?

So to wrap it all up according to rocky:

Bernard was terrible value in the 3rd round because Hill, who had a great preseason against all backups, is going to "share carries" with Bernard. Forget that Bernard had 44% of the carries last year and was still the 12th ranked RB.

Draft Peyton 1 overall in 6 pt per TD leagues because he scores more points than everyone else. You can't lose.

Reggie Wayne is the WR to have on the Colts and Nicks is going to cut into his production.

Matt Ryan sucks which means Roddy White won't have value.

What did I miss?

At 6pts per Passing TD, the guy who took Peyton has the top scorer in the league, Of course, depending on your scoring, Rashad Jennings doesn't help but if it's PPR and he got Dez Bryant or Brandon Marshall on the way back down and Julio Jones or Antonio Bryant in the 3rd his RBs don't really matter.

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going in the 3rd?

has had two straight seasons of 97 catches, 1400 yards and 10 TD's.

id much rather go a stud in rounds 1-5 and then a qb rather than a qb and have a weaker position player, all qbs score the most points doesnt make them more valuable

I said I'm more concerned with Roddy getting hurt than Reggie Wayne. I'd rather have Wayne than White. Luck is just better than Ryan.

You go on telling people To draft Gio in the 2nd and I'll keep taking Vereen in the 5th and Jeremy Hill in the 9th.

You just are.

Just because Peyton will score the most points overall doesn't mean you draft him #1 overall. It's not QB vs QB. Your team accumulates points as a whole. Taking Peyton 1st overall means you don't get a single RB or WR until the 20th and 21st picks

If you take McCoy first, and you can get Alshon or Nelson + Rodgers with your next 2 picks, wouldn't you much rather have an elite RB, an elite QB + a WR1 just outside of Tier 1 and right at the top of Tier 2?

If you take Peyton first, the best you're probably going to do at RB is Bell, Morris or Martin.

Personally, I would take the trio of McCoy, Jeffery and Rodgers over Peyton, Bell and Jeffery because I think the gap between McCoy and Bell is larger than the gap between Peyton and Rodgers

I made it clear that I myself passed on bernard in rd 2 and took him in rd 3 and the commentary on this thread was vereen in the 4th. Bernard is great value in the 3rd and Vereen is ok value in the 5th.

Leagues than give 6pts per TD and Peyton goes 9th?

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AGF Rocky Thompson : 3:50 pm : link : reply I would agree but I don't think Matt Ryan is that good. With Julio all you have to do is get it close and he does the rest, I would consider Roddy a bigger injury risk than Julio. I'm much more comfortable with Reggie Wayne than Roddy White. I have, however, put some stock in Steven Jackson as an RB 3/ flex in deeper leagues, could be a valuable sleeper when healthy.

Ryan sucks, yet have you seen the seasons White has put up with Ryan at QB? Reggie Wayne is coming off an ACL tear, White was battling a lower leg injury(no surgery). Roddy White is arguably the most durable WR in the game. Take a look at his track record. He's played 16 games every single season except last season when he gutted out 13. Yet you trust Wayne over Roddy to stay healthy and produce because Luck is better than Ryan. Makes perfect sense.

Wake up kmed

It's like playing cards with my kids here...

as the #1 pick in leagues that give 6pts per passing TD, he's the high scorer you grab him first and fill in the rest as you go. Most likely people that don't take Peyton first don't trust themselves to find valuable players after the 5th round.

Here's a hint: take Jeremy Hill in the 9th, you won't be disappointed...

and he exploded in the last 5 games too when he averaged 8 catches and 100 yards per game. Which followed a 3 season stretch in which he averaged over 100 catches per season.

White. White has had a 115 catch season with Ryan, a 100 catch season, 92 catches, 85. Clearly that hasn't effected white in the past.

for fantasy purposes, by the time White "exploded" his owner was probably out of it...


Thanks for the banter kmed, I do listen to some things you suggest


(Zips lips tight and leaves on a high note...)

And dislikes Bernard. Vs vereen. If you had 12th pick and wound up with these 2 backs, what would you say in a non ppr league.

pick 3 1 ppr Qb 2 RB 2 wr TE K Def 1 Flex (rb/wr/TE)

QB Newton. Rivers
RB Mccoy, Leveon Bell, Terrence west, Fred Jackson, Christine Michael
WR Julio, Vincent Jackson, Kendall WRight, Torrey Smith, Anquan Boldin
TE Julius THomas, Rob Gronk
K Dawson
Def Chiefs, Browns