NFT: Fantasy chat: 8/31

Everyone else in the league is pretty reasonable when It trades. This guy always does random stuff that seem highly questionable but he manages to get 2nd place virtually every year.

For Rodgers I would offer Jones in the mix but I'm too paranoid about his health. I think I might just sit on the excessive depth until people become desperate for WRs.

He broke his collarbone and came back the same season. I don't know how you could be paranoid about Rodgers' health but not Julio Jones when he's been an injury concern his NFL career.

I don't know anything about your scoring system or what players get started, but Rodgers shouldn't be an injury concern.

For him?

Is it 4 point for passing TDs? How many passing yards per point? Is this a PPR league? If so, 1 PPR or .5 PPR?

Also, does your league start 3WR or 2WR? Is there a flex?

My league randomized the draft order tonight and OF COURSE I got 5th. It's always the one slot I don't want that I get.

So.. for the next 3 days I'll be debating with myself... Calvin or Lacy. Or Lynch. Or Peyton.

That might help the pain go away.

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If your league is QB favored (like 6 point TDs) maybe Peyton is the way to go. I'm a big Eddie Lacy fan and would not hesitate to take him there. Then again, I drafted CJ Spiller in the first last year. Maybe I wouldn't have lost in the championship if I went with a safe first round pick.

I think Lacy is way safer of a pick than CJ Spiller was last year though.

...Brees or Rodgers at 15, so I probably won't take Peyton there. I think it's really either Calvin or Lacy.

If I take Calvin, I think I'd have to go RB (Ball, Murray or Bernard) at 15 because I'd be too worried about being left with a Morris, Martin or Stacy as my RB1.

But if I take Lacy, I think I could take Brees or Rodgers at 15 and still have a shot at Antonio Brown at 25.

He went 24th in my league. If you manage to get one of Jordy Nelson or Antonio Brown at 25 you're set. If neither of them are there, you're kinda fucked out of WR. Maybe Alshon slips? You'd probably have to reach for Cobb at that point.

Either way, WR is just such a stacked position. You may not end up with a strong WR1, but you can still have a rock solid WR group paired up with a strong RB1 and strong QB. When you're 4th pick comes around you'll end up with a guy like Keenan Allen, VJax, Roddy White, Pierre Garcon, etc. That's a pretty nice selection.

The guy in my other league who had 5th pick went Lacy, got Bernard in the 2nd and then actually got Rodgers at 25 which I would sign up for in a second. He could have taken Ball in the 2nd, too. I'd probably prefer to get a WR instead in the 2nd but middle second, all those top tier guys are usually off the board. Marshall was the last one and went 1 pick before him.

Lacy, Marshall, Rodgers in the first 3 rounds would be a grand slam.

It is a PPR league with 12 teams and I was #11 to draft.

Tony Romo/Eli Manning
Ray Rice/Rashad Jennings/Trent Richardson/Carlos Hyde/Andre Williams/Khiry Robinson
Larry Fitzgerald/Demaryius Thomas/Dez Bryant/Mike Wallace/Danny Amendola/Steve Johnson
Ladarius Green/Eric Ebron/Tim Wright
Giants
McManus

Let me know what you think

Really like Jennings as an RB2 but it looks like you took Rice way too early. And Eli shouldn't be on any FF roster this year even as a backup. There's got to be someone better you can grab.

QB: Tom Brady

WR: AJ Green

WR: Randall Cobb

WR: Kendall Wright

RB: Montee Ball

RB: Shane Vereen

TE: Jordan Cameron

W/R/T: Cecil Shorts



Defense: Buffalo

Defensive Player: Luke Kuechly



Bench:



RB Carlos Hyde

RB Deangelo Williams

WR Reuben Randle

TE Tim Wright

QB Eli Manning

WR Dwayne Bowe

In comment 11835643 Joeguido said:

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It is a PPR league with 12 teams and I was #11 to draft. Tony Romo/Eli Manning Ray Rice/Rashad Jennings/Trent Richardson/Carlos Hyde/Andre Williams/Khiry Robinson Larry Fitzgerald/Demaryius Thomas/Dez Bryant/Mike Wallace/Danny Amendola/Steve Johnson Ladarius Green/Eric Ebron/Tim Wright Giants McManus Let me know what you think

I would agree with your assessment. So you went Thomas/Dez 1st and 2nd round respectively and then Fitz, Jennings? I do not like the Fitz pick at all considering your team and early 4th is at the peak of Jennings value, but you had no shot at him coming back to you grabbed him. Other than that, I really don't like your team....no offense.

seems like you got some good value considering ADP's. You would appear to have a lot of question marks, but a pretty high upside, IMO.

You took Calvin, right? Did you pick 5th or 6th?

but I would have taken calvin 5th as well(assuming charles, mccoy, forte and AP were gone).

I would agree with your assessment. So you went Thomas/Dez 1st and 2nd round respectively and then Fitz, Jennings? I do not like the Fitz pick at all considering your team and early 4th is at the peak of Jennings value, but you had no shot at him coming back to you grabbed him. Other than that, I really don't like your team....no offense. [/quote]

Yup I think I was half asleep....Fanduel here I come. I'll just consider this other league a donation.

considering starting Kaep vs Dallas over Cam vs TB. Thoughts?

Dallas' defense should be terrible, specifically their pass defense. San Fran's defense won't be as strong so it might be a high scoring affair. San Fran also has lots of weapons with the additions of Johnson and a healthy Crabtree. Throw in Cam's injury situation and I'd agree with kaep.

In comment 11835951 Jon in NYC said:

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considering starting Kaep vs Dallas over Cam vs TB. Thoughts?

With Dallas D that might be a good plan...

and to see who my flex is. Trying to decide between:

Golden Tate-I also have Calvin and they are playing the Giants who could have a great pass defense.

Bishop Sankey-Dude's got talent, but will he get the rock enough early on to make him a flex? Risky.

Greg Olsen-An average TE as my flex? Upside would be severely limited.

Danny Ammendola-I'd probably prefer to let him prove something before making him a starter.

Steve Smith-Dudes a baller, but he's now the #2 on a team that isn't known for throwing a lot.

12 team PPR money league, #8 pick.
QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, Flex, K, D/ST

QB: Kaepernick(1)
RB: Bell(3), Rice(7), Sankey(8), Richardson(9), West(11), Freeman(13)
WR: Thomas 1), Marshall(2), Patterson(5), Wright(6), Hopkins(12)
TE: Gronkowski(4), Kelce(15)
K: Bryant(16)
D/ST: Cincinnati(14)

I can see your problem- running backs drop off after round two. There are a lot of iffy runners later on and you grabbed them all. Who knows, if one or two of those iffy runners do well, you won't be so bad. You have great WRs and Romo should have to throw a lot. Green your TR should get better as season goes on.

In comment 11835947 kmed said:

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but I would have taken calvin 5th as well(assuming charles, mccoy, forte and AP were gone).

I have 5th pick and I'm totally torn between Calvin and Lacy. I was a little sour on Lacy but I've warmed up to him a bit.

I want to be able to take Brees if he's there for my 2nd pick but I don't want to be left without a RB til rd 3.. but the idea of having a top 2 QB and WR (probably the #1 WR) is pretty tempting. But I'd probably be looking at Morris/Martin/Stacy as a RB1 then.. which I don't love.

Unless I could get an Antonio Brown in rd 3 and then go Jennings in rd. 4.. but I get stuck on not having a true RB1. I guess it's about having the best players, though.

Like.. if I took Lacy 5th, Brees 15th and then got Brown in the 3rd.. I think that would be a pretty damn good base.

In comment 11835966 Spock said:

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I can see your problem- running backs drop off after round two. There are a lot of iffy runners later on and you grabbed them all. Who knows, if one or two of those iffy runners do well, you won't be so bad. You have great WRs and Romo should have to throw a lot. Green your TR should get better as season goes on.

That's what I was hoping I realize I messed up after the second round and tried to recover with "hopeful" picks in the later rounds.

In comment 11835966 Spock said:

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I can see your problem- running backs drop off after round two. There are a lot of iffy runners later on and you grabbed them all. Who knows, if one or two of those iffy runners do well, you won't be so bad. You have great WRs and Romo should have to throw a lot. Green your TR should get better as season goes on.

That's a really nice spin to make him feel better, but you are better off just shooting the dude straight. He already acknowledged that things didn't go so well for the draft. Which of his "iffy" RB's could do well? They are all backups and need injuries to have a role. Also, I think Green is very talented, but Gates is going to play significantly and I don't see Green as a fantasy starter unless Gates gets hurt.

Do you think I should go two RBs at 10 and 11, or one RB and one WR?

Running backs scare me after you pass round 2.5.

the following players will be off the board when you pick:

Charles, Mccoy, Forte, AP, Calvin

With the 10th pick, without knowing your league rules or roster requirements, I'd be targetting one of Peyton or Brees and one of Lynch, Demarius Thomas, Dez, AJ Green, Marshall.

who is included in the guys that will be off the board. So with those 6, you can get 2 of the following players:

RB's:
Lynch-only RB worthy of that pick valuewise

WR's:
Thomas
Dez
AJ Green
Marshall
I'd figure at least 2 of those guys will be gone, if not 3.

QB's:
Peyton
Brees
Rodgers

If it were me and my league, I'd probably go with one of Peyton or Brees and then either Lynch or one of the top tier WR's available.

for a 12 team, .5 PPR, 6 point QB TD league tomorrow.

If I have a top 3 pick I need to get one of Payton, Brees or Rodgers, right? 6 points for a TD is a total gamechanger.

J. Reed (Wash)

or

V. Davis (SF).

I think Reed has more upside, but had a sprained thumb.

In comment 11836001 Jon in NYC said:

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for a 12 team, .5 PPR, 6 point QB TD league tomorrow. If I have a top 3 pick I need to get one of Payton, Brees or Rodgers, right? 6 points for a TD is a total gamechanger.

It's 6 points for passing TD's in my league too but I don't think any of those guys will go top 3. The RB's will still go first.

3rd pick. 6 points Per TD pass. No PPR. I royally fucked things up.

QB - Rivers, Eli, Flacco
RB - McCoy, Foster, Sankey, Williams
WR - V. Jackson, Patterson, Harvin, D. Jackson, T. Austin, Lee.
TE - Graham, Fleener
K - Bailey, Prater
IDP - Laurinitis, Weddle, H. Smith, Misi, Beason, Dave Harris.

My QBs in a 2 QB league are jsut too weak. I wanted a stud RB with the 3rd pick, but passed on Rodgers. I took Graham in the 2nd, but the QBs that went was just way too fast. By the time between I took Rivers and my next pick, everyone had 2 QBs by the end of 4 rounds. Yuck.

In comment 11836033 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 11836001 Jon in NYC said: Quote: for a 12 team, .5 PPR, 6 point QB TD league tomorrow. If I have a top 3 pick I need to get one of Payton, Brees or Rodgers, right? 6 points for a TD is a total gamechanger. It's 6 points for passing TD's in my league too but I don't think any of those guys will go top 3. The RB's will still go first.

If I have the no. 1 pick, you think it's a mistake to go Payton?

You'll still be able to get a good QB later. The RB dropoff is going to be pretty stark if you don't take one with the 1st pick. I'd take one of the elite RB's and when you get back to back picks with your 2nd and 3rd pick you'll scoop a WR and maybe an RB2.. depends who's there.

If I don't take a RB in my 10 and 11 picks, by the time it gets back to me at 29 there will not be a sexy RB who is a 1 RB in my opinion. I will be left to choose two RBs at 29 and 30 like Morris, Jennings, the Bell boys, and the likes of Bishop Sankey.

Do I dare wait that long to pick up a RB?

Because this draft is loaded with WRs, I think I need to go RB at both 10 and 11. I guess Ball and Gio.

Don't you think that is better than Peyton and Dez, especially considering I can pick up Stafford or Brady in the 5-6 rounds and grab Cruz, Antonio, or Keenan at 29 and 30.

Let me tell you right off, everything that has been printed this preseason has said that Gio Bernard will split carries with Jeremy Hill. Both of their preseason performances have confirmed those projections. Gio Bernard in the 2nd or 3rd rd is a complete overdraft. Jeremy Hill in the 9th or 10th rd is a much better value.

Gio will have slightly more value in a PPR league but you are much better off grabbing Gronk in the 3rd and Shane Vereen in the 4th. Vereen > Gio without question.

Top 5 WR rankings in PPR:

Calvin
Dez
Marshall
Julio Jones
AJGreen. (Dalton sucks)

The best 2 IDPs that nobody's drafting:
Shazier
Kirksey

Both potential top 10 tacklers this year.

Don't draft any Giants unless you're going to trade them to a Giants homer.

If you don't draft Peyton Manning, load up elsewhere and grab Brady in the 6th or 7th.

Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger > Foles/Ryan/Dalton


And yes, in a 6pt per TD league, Peyton Manning is the # 1 pick.

I agree, if you have to start 2 of those 3, yikes!!!!

Rivers is a stud nobody's taking seriously, Flacco could actually earn his money with Steve Smith inside, Torrey Smith deep, Pitta filling the lanes and a Rice out of the backfield. Eli's probably useless but Bortles will be relevant by October and is probably available.

It doesn't look that bad to me....

In comment 11836099 Rocky Thompson said:

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Let me tell you right off, everything that has been printed this preseason has said that Gio Bernard will split carries with Jeremy Hill. Both of their preseason performances have confirmed those projections. Gio Bernard in the 2nd or 3rd rd is a complete overdraft. Jeremy Hill in the 9th or 10th rd is a much better value. Gio will have slightly more value in a PPR league but you are much better off grabbing Gronk in the 3rd and Shane Vereen in the 4th. Vereen > Gio without question. Top 5 WR rankings in PPR: Calvin Dez Marshall Julio Jones AJGreen. (Dalton sucks) The best 2 IDPs that nobody's drafting: Shazier Kirksey Both potential top 10 tacklers this year. Don't draft any Giants unless you're going to trade them to a Giants homer. If you don't draft Peyton Manning, load up elsewhere and grab Brady in the 6th or 7th. Phillip Rivers or Ben Roethlisberger > Foles/Ryan/Dalton And yes, in a 6pt per TD league, Peyton Manning is the # 1 pick.

I agree with a lot of this. I didn't take Gio in the 2nd because I'm convinced Jeremy Hill is going to make the coaches feed him the rock. He's just so talented. I fucked up by taking LeVeon Bell though.

I really like Shane Vereen this year. The only thing stopping him from being a top 8 fantasy RB is health, which is a legit concern.

I like where you put BMarsh. He's getting underrated at this point. He's a PPR machine. Julio Jones is a stud if healthy, but that's a big if. He's due for a healthy year though.

I don't agree about Big Ben, but I agree about Phillip Rivers. Way underdrafted. I have Matt Ryan and Phillip Rivers, and I'm pretty sure I'm just going to end up starting Rivers more often than not.

For the first time in a long time the Steelers have no defense to speak of, Antonio Brown is right outside my top 5 WRs and Heath Miller will be better than Zack Ertz or Kyle Rudolph. Bell is not a bad pick, he can catch. Steelers will be playing a lot of high scoring games this year.

So Revised:

Calvin
D Thomas
Dez
Marshall
Julio
AJGreen
Antonio Brown

It's obvious that he's taking over Tony Gs role and will get a lot of those middle of the field underneath looks. He should put up great numbers in PPR formats.

I would agree but I don't think Matt Ryan is that good. With Julio all you have to do is get it close and he does the rest, I would consider Roddy a bigger injury risk than Julio. I'm much more comfortable with Reggie Wayne than Roddy White. I have, however, put some stock in Steven Jackson as an RB 3/ flex in deeper leagues, could be a valuable sleeper when healthy.

In comment 11836174 Rocky Thompson said:

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I would agree but I don't think Matt Ryan is that good. With Julio all you have to do is get it close and he does the rest, I would consider Roddy a bigger injury risk than Julio. I'm much more comfortable with Reggie Wayne than Roddy White. I have, however, put some stock in Steven Jackson as an RB 3/ flex in deeper leagues, could be a valuable sleeper when healthy.

I'd much rather have Roddy than a 35 year old Reggie Wayne coming off an ACL tear. And this is coming from someone who owns Wayne in my only league so far.

The only thing keeping Reggie Wayne from 80 receptions this year is Hakeem Nicks. Reggie is still the best WR on that team...

Look at the numbers Roddy put up with Matt Ryan as QB. Barring last year, it's all 1,100-1,300 receiving yards. Matt Ryan knows how to get Roddy White the ball. Matt Ryan also had a great 2012 year but suffered in 2013 because of that awful OL.

Roddy White being an injury concern is a misnomer (credit to robbieballs). He missed his only 3 games of his career last year. He tried fighting through injuries and that's why he struggled last year. There is absolutely no way Roddy White is more of an injury concern than Julio Jones. No shot.

Your fantasy team injured, like last year and unproductive or sitting out so you can replace him. He only missed 3 games physically, missed more than a dozen fantasy wise.

Look at Nicks for us, he played hurt without practice 2 years ago, was mostly ineffective and people are glad to see him go. Eli will miss Nicks more than anything else this year. If Reggie Wayne didn't have Hakeem Nicks stealing looks I'd venture to say that Wayne will be more productive than Victor Cruz because Cruz doesn't have Hakeem Nicks. Weird but true.

I like Roddy, I don't trust Ryan. Nicks will be a sleeper