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Coughlin Update on Odell Beckham

Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/1/2014 11:21 am
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Will Odell Beckham practice this week? "I doubt that very much," Coughlin said. "He may be a couple, three weeks away."
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We all know that medical science is exact.  
kickerpa16 : 9/1/2014 12:47 pm : link
There are definitive steps to follow for each type of injury, and that doctors are true rivals; they never consult with each other.

Hence, any setback (or bringing a player back too early) is the sole fault of the medical staff.
SBlue46, the question isn't  
bob in tx : 9/1/2014 12:50 pm : link
whether they are getting proper treatment. The question is why does the medical staff insist on giving improper treatment?
RE: SBlue46, the question isn't  
kepler20 : 9/1/2014 12:51 pm : link
In comment 11835987 bob in tx said:
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whether they are getting proper treatment. The question is why does the medical staff insist on giving improper treatment?


Because they fear TC and Hanlon.

Kepler, you nailed  
bob in tx : 9/1/2014 12:53 pm : link
It.
RE: Kepler, you nailed  
kickerpa16 : 9/1/2014 12:53 pm : link
In comment 11835993 bob in tx said:
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It.


Well played, maestro.
Our own  
bob in tx : 9/1/2014 12:55 pm : link
Tinker to Evers to Chance on this thread.
Ronnie Barnes has been intimidated since 1985  
Headhunter : 9/1/2014 1:03 pm : link
Joe Morris remembers the conversation between the trainer and coach Bill Parcells. “Bill goes, ‘I need him back in the game.’ And Ronnie just goes, ‘No, he goes into the game when I say he does and when the doc says he does,’” Mr. Morris recounted, still in awe. “Now, you gotta have a set of stones to tell Bill Parcells that.”

.  
kepler20 : 9/1/2014 1:06 pm : link
They lied about the original injury.

Generally speaking most NE teams have the best medical professionals.
RE: Forget this guy.  
jeff57 : 9/1/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11835843 deadkurtrulz said:
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Tom has.

Give Reese a do over and let him pick Cordy Glenn and Martin instead of Wilson and Beckham. We would have a great OL and the same skill players we have now.


If only.
RE: Mrvax..good point . I'm guessing though Beckham is due back  
CGiants07 : 9/1/2014 1:33 pm : link
In comment 11835885 Blue21 said:
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before Schwatrz


reports are Schwartz will be back within a month temp ir would be dumb if that's the case
I dont know how good or  
dep026 : 9/1/2014 1:43 pm : link
how good ODB will be. I do know that this year may be a wash for him though. If TC said 2-3 weeks, it may easily be 4-6 since hammies are such an unknown injury. IMO, if he is 99.9% healthy when the bye comes around, I would prefer just to IR him because he isnt in playing shape, he doesnt know the offense, his timing is most likely off.

Not there is anything wrong with a red shirt year for him, but as days go on, my anticipation of him playing this year dwindles.
there is everything wrong with a redshirt year for him. They are  
Victor in CT : 9/1/2014 1:52 pm : link
not the kind of settled team where that is acceptable. They need high picks to come in and play so that by year end you know they can be solid contributors the next year. If he misses the year then he is just another ? for 2015.
I think...  
Chris in Philly : 9/1/2014 1:53 pm : link
as you go through life and you find yourself agreeing with obvioustrolls like kepler and bossman, you should rethink your stance on a topic.
RE: I think...  
dep026 : 9/1/2014 2:00 pm : link
In comment 11836057 Chris in Philly said:
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as you go through life and you find yourself agreeing with obvioustrolls like kepler and bossman, you should rethink your stance on a topic.


Who? Me?

I thought my ideas were more realistic than theirs. Coughlin already said 2-3 weeks he will be out for. But sometimes they linger. My point is if he isnt completely healthy, I rather just keep him out. No need to bring him back even with the slightest injury.

If in 3-5 weeks, he is 100% to go and practicing.... then unseat Jerrigan and Randle and go out and be a playmaker.
RE: RE: Beckham  
RAIN : 9/1/2014 2:04 pm : link
In comment 11835934 Chris in Philly said:
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In comment 11835920 Percy said:


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Begins to sound like the Giants may never be able to rely on this guy -- this season or ever. The comments about the continuing nature (that is, recurrence) of hamstring injuries to WRs are worrisome. Tell me that this is nonsense, please.



Yes. Makes perfect sense. Rookie hurts his hamstring and therefore we will never be able to rely on him. Ever.

Jesus Christ on a cracker.


Thank you. I second.
It's long season  
oldutican : 9/1/2014 2:19 pm : link
It seems reasonable he could get in 7-8 games. That gives him 8-9 weeks to continue healing. He's a talented rookie and getting him that much PT in his rookie year makes it worth having an empty roster spot for half a season.
How about we focus on the guys we've seen?  
mattlawson : 9/1/2014 2:28 pm : link
Instead of bitch and moan about a guy we haven't. I'll be bitching and moaning and if I see Jernigan instead of Washington for one... But not about this dude
3yds and a cloud of dust!  
Carl in CT : 9/1/2014 2:29 pm : link
Old fashion football. Saves the D. Always draft OL (with the one exception when u need a QB). I agree with most would have loved Martin!
With Schwartz sounding like a 3-4 layoff  
BlueHurricane : 9/1/2014 2:30 pm : link
I would really consider ODB for short term IR. Get him 100% for the second half of the season.
Maybe ODB can't catch?  
Headhunter : 9/1/2014 2:38 pm : link
Coughlin and Reese were horrified when he dropped every pass thrown to him. Rather than expose him, they told the medical staff to give him improper treatment and will continue to do so and he will never see the field and embarrass Reese.
Wow just wow...  
prdave73 : 9/1/2014 2:41 pm : link
Reese smh.. We better hope Washington is special, but then again Coughlin probably won't play him anyway..
The most troubling thing is that a few posters here have stated that..  
Emlen'sGremlins : 9/1/2014 2:46 pm : link
....Beckham Had Chronic Hammy Issues At LSU.
Write him off for the year.  
CT Charlie : 9/1/2014 2:52 pm : link
With really careful, attentive treatment he could come back stronger than ever in 10 months AND maybe he'd never face this problem again. Bringing him back raw in November in the Northeast - just to pacify the fan base or surprise Seattle - would be short-term stupidity.
he'll be just as effective this  
G2 : 9/1/2014 3:44 pm : link
year as Hakeem was last year. We're still a better team and we'll be ok. 9-7 with a wild card birth.
As I said before  
natefit : 9/1/2014 3:52 pm : link
on another ODB thread, The body responds to strains by creating scar tissue around the area. Its protective in that its the body's cast essentially, but it is mostly inflexible, just like a hard cast. While there are ways to break it down like massage and ultrasound, you never get all of it. Each time he re- aggravates it, more st forms. Thats how it becomes chronic. He's certainly not damaged goods yet, but they need to be very careful with him or he will be.
They really have to be more  
mrvax : 9/1/2014 4:06 pm : link
careful when they do believe he's ready for practice. Maybe they should have him do light weight exercises first? Rather than have him go full bore running a route/cutting etc.
RE: The most troubling thing is that a few posters here have stated that..  
BSIMatt : 9/1/2014 5:31 pm : link
In comment 11836094 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....Beckham Had Chronic Hammy Issues At LSU.


I don't think Beckham had chronic hamstring issues at LSU. Posters have made this claim, but it seems every time they are just echoing another poster. Not sure where this idea came from, but I can't find anything corroborating it...at all. He played in every game at LSU except 1. If you had chronic hamstring issues, anything remotely similar to what is going on here he would have certainly missed more than a single game in 3 years time.
RE: Wow just wow...  
Giantology : 9/1/2014 5:34 pm : link
In comment 11836089 prdave73 said:
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Reese smh.. We better hope Washington is special, but then again Coughlin probably won't play him anyway..


Yup, this is definitely on Reese. He fuckin knew this kid was gonna tear his hammy multiple times, yet drafted him instead of Martin anyway!
It is what it is  
JonC : 9/1/2014 6:23 pm : link
It was clear after he didn't practice or play after the "not a setback" that it was a setback and he would be awhile.

Next man up. Run the ball, play clean, and keep moving forward until the unit gels and gets healthy.
The hamstring is not on Reese..  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 9/1/2014 7:00 pm : link
I have had a problem with our strength and conditioning program for a while. There is something seriously wrong here. Too many guys getting injuries that are preventable. Too often we see our guys up front get physically dominated.

BTW, I am going to bet that by the time this kid gets healthy, and by the time Coughlin trusts him enough to actually play... he may catch 5 balls this year.

Yep  
Headhunter : 9/1/2014 7:03 pm : link
Mara went out and found the worst and cheapest strength and conditioning coach with his PSL windfall
Skill position players training for optimal combine results  
JPinstripes : 9/1/2014 8:11 pm : link
transform themselves into track conditioned athletes for the combines and that does not always transcend to football ready shortly thereafter. Let the kid get healthy and lets see what happens. No culpability on either side.
You can curse me all you want, but I am really doubting the Giants  
Essex : 9/1/2014 9:06 pm : link
Staff in how they manage injuries. It seems our players always take longer than other teams to get back. I am not a doctor and have no medical expertise, but not to be able to manage a hammy from the beginning of June is problematic in my eyes.
Headhunter  
Essex : 9/1/2014 9:11 pm : link
It doesn't have to be about being cheap, the Giants could have incompetent staff. Simply because a doctor is at HSS (warren), doesn't mean he is a good doctor either. Obviously, the odds improve that he is a good doctor coming from a good hospital like that, but one of their alleged best surgeons completely botched my father in laws knee replacement surgery and now he has to get it done again with a small possibility he can lose his leg. The Giants are loyal. I would hope that we would invest heavily in exercise science like the a Eagles do with Kelly.
RE: Headhunter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/1/2014 9:17 pm : link
In comment 11836627 Essex said:
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It doesn't have to be about being cheap, the Giants could have incompetent staff. Simply because a doctor is at HSS (warren), doesn't mean he is a good doctor either. Obviously, the odds improve that he is a good doctor coming from a good hospital like that, but one of their alleged best surgeons completely botched my father in laws knee replacement surgery and now he has to get it done again with a small possibility he can lose his leg. The Giants are loyal. I would hope that we would invest heavily in exercise science like the a Eagles do with Kelly.


If we're finding it open season to criticize the Giants medical staff, I think it's important to recognize that they were dead right about Kenny Phillips, and dead right about Steve Smith when everybody else was going nuts assuming the Eagles knew something the Giants didn't. But somehow they don't know what they're doing managing a hamstring injury?
That is a little revisionist history  
Essex : 9/1/2014 9:31 pm : link
Phillips you are right about and so were the Giants. Smith was not so much about whether the Giants wanted him back, they did. It was about length of term and that they were messing around with him, so he bolted without them knowing and got a better deal in Philly. Oh, and where do u want to put Wilson? Guy was back five minutes before his career was over.

Anyway, managing and diagnosing are two different things. Never criticized the Giants about diagnosing.
RE: Forget this guy.  
BMac : 9/2/2014 6:21 am : link
In comment 11835843 deadkurtrulz said:
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Tom has.

Give Reese a do over and let him pick Cordy Glenn and Martin instead of Wilson and Beckham. We would have a great OL and the same skill players we have now.


Broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record, broken record...
You know sometimes a hamstring injury  
Headhunter : 9/2/2014 8:19 am : link
is just a hamstring injury and all the stretching and exercise won't prevent it because all these guys have individual training regiments and suggested diets worked out to the tiniest detail. To say the doctor training staff or strength and conditioning team I is to blame is lazy and trying to scapegoat. Shit happens despite all the preventive measures taken for it not to happen
I don't know if it is being lazy or scapegoating.  
Essex : 9/2/2014 8:47 am : link
I admit that most fans think that their team is the only team that suffers injury. However, why is it that it seems, and I stress seems, that our guys always get reinjured and have the longest timetables? My friends and I always joke that going on the Giants injured list is like going into a black hole, never to be seen again. I am actually shocked that Beason and Prince will be ready, if I would have bet, I would have bet the house we would not have seen them until week 4.

Anyway, you are right that it could be scapegoating, since fans only react to limited information. However, I am really intrigued by what the Eagles are doing with their exercise science. They had almost no injuries last season, and there guys always come back fast. For instance, Maclin injured a hammy and was out less than a week, Cary Williams injured his hammy in the Chicago in the preseason game and was back the next week. Riley Cooper was in a boot, and was back in two weeks. If they don't suffer injuries again, I think we can't attribute it to luck anymore. I wish we were more avant-garde with our approach is what I am saying (to the extent this stuff is public).
I don't follow other teams  
Headhunter : 9/2/2014 8:50 am : link
I do know the Eagles were remarkably healthy.
Sometimes health is just luck  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/2/2014 8:55 am : link
We've had years where we were remarkably healthy.

During the years we had our best offensive lines, from 2006-2010, how many games did those guys miss? Practically nothing.

tom is getting testy  
area junc : 9/2/2014 8:57 am : link
because part of the reason beckham rushed back 2 begin with was all the reports about tom being pissed at him

remember it got 2 the point where beckham actually had 2 go into tom's office and reassure him that he wasnt a flake

couple days later he gets back on the field only to badly reinjure himself

this one stinks and its no surprise tom is distancing himself from it now, as it appears now his reaction to beckham sitting out may have caused the setback in the 1st place
What a load of crap  
Headhunter : 9/2/2014 9:21 am : link
Since he's been here TC has been frustrated with everyone that is rehabbing. He wants them on the field not on bicycles where they do the team no good. The doctors make the call when they can resume practicing no the player and not the coach. If there is one question he hates answering is about rehabbing players
of course he has  
area junc : 9/2/2014 9:32 am : link
every coach is.

the difference is this one went extremely public 2 the point we were hearing about the player going to the coach to clear the air

btw, if u dont think the player has any say in when he gets on the field, ur kidding urself
kickerpa  
Matt M. : 9/2/2014 10:10 am : link
I remember as a kid being angry at Rickey Henderson over his infamous hammy. I still think he was milking it, but I took a whole new perspective on hamstring injuries when I pulled my own. It was a mild pull and I rested for a couple of weeks. It felt good, but my first game of softball (this was post college) I ran in and over to the foul line from LF to haul in a weak pop up and remember I kept running in, flipped the ball to the pitcher and said I was done.

It wasn't really a pull, like the original injury. I just felt a twinge and it felt very tight. This was after a lot of stretching before and during the game. It was several weeks before my leg felt normal, without the even slightest trace of tightness.
Hamstring Injury Issue  
Percy : 9/2/2014 10:29 am : link
After taking a lot of crap for asking the question(except for natefit, who was kind enough to try to answer it), I thought to look into it it myself. For those interested, check out the following as to hamstring injuries: "Recurrence levels are high, ranging from 12% to 63%. The first month after return to play (RTP) is the highest risk time for recurrence, though the risk remains elevated for at least 12 months." This is from http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2013/02/14/bjsports-2012-091400.full , which goes into the various treatment and rehab options and outcomes, based on a limited amount of available data. See also this "Hamstring strain injuries remain a challenge for both athletes and clinicians given the high incidence rate, slow healing, and persistent symptoms. Moreover, nearly one-third of these injuries recur within the first year following a return to sport, with subsequent injuries often being more severe than the original" from another article. Bottom line for Beckham is he has an uncertain future long term, to say nothing of this year.
Draft a guy #1 with a history  
JoefromPa : 9/2/2014 12:26 pm : link
of hamstring problems in college and be annoyed that he has a hammy and can't play............go figure
Fuck me with..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/2/2014 12:36 pm : link
a thorny stick:

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Beckham
Percy : 9/1/2014 12:14 pm : link : reply
Begins to sound like the Giants may never be able to rely on this guy -- this season or ever. The comments about the continuing nature (that is, recurrence) of hamstring injuries to WRs are worrisome. Tell me that this is nonsense, please.


Who in the holy fuck types this with a straight face? NOBODY!

Even this moron must look like Munch's The Scream painting.
RE: Draft a guy #1 with a history  
Klaatu : 9/2/2014 1:57 pm : link
In comment 11837198 JoefromPa said:
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of hamstring problems in college and be annoyed that he has a hammy and can't play............go figure


How many games did he miss in college due to a bad hammy?
0 games  
Headhunter : 9/2/2014 1:59 pm : link
missed due to hamstring issues at LSU
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