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Dunedin81 : 9/1/2014 4:17 pm
Today is call-up day, with all but the Staten Island Yankees finishing out their seasons (only the GCL team qualified for the playoffs and they lost their championship series 2-1). We can expect Mitchell, Banuelos, Chase Whitley, Preston Claiborne, Matt Daley and Chaz Roe to possibly be called up, with position players Chris Young, Ramon Flores, Zoilo Almonte, JR Murphy and Gary Sanchez as possible position player call-ups. All but Young are on the 40-man. Of the non-40 man guys, Kyle Roller, Burawa, Montgomery, Nuding and Pinder are all Rule 5 eligible, while Refsnyder, Rumbelow, Webb and Lindgren are not Rule 5 eligible but figure to contribute next year.

I'll try to put together a look at the minor league season in the next couple weeks. Mostly good news, including some very good news.
As always Dunedin  
dune69 : 9/1/2014 4:44 pm : link
Thank you for your contributions all year long. I learn so much about the Yanks and the farm, but also about other issues and subjects that you are well read. I love your passion for the Yanks and I hope the team turns around more quickly than we all see possible. Look forward to more write-ups on the minor league prospects. I see some strong potential in our pitching to solidify but I don't see the offense getting appreciably better soon.
Thanks for the kind words...  
Dunedin81 : 9/1/2014 4:50 pm : link
I basically agree, but Refsnyder could contribute next year almost from Day 1. Impact bat? Maybe not. But I'd be surprised if we're getting .550 OPS out of the 2B spot and he could realistically be a .700+ guy out of the gate.

Bird may start at AAA, he may not, but I've watched him pretty closely the last few weeks and he does two things really, really well. He is patient and when he hits the ball he makes loud contact.

The late-season surge for Austin could put him at AAA too; whether he could be an above average regular or he's JAG remains to be seen but he has talent too. Sanchez could also be at AAA to start the season and while he didn't have a great season he was pretty good.

Judge and Jagielo could end up at AA or back at Tampa for a little while (Jagielo probably goes to Trenton) but both had solid seasons. Miguel Andujar finished the season very well. Mason Williams actually did as well, though it was just for a couple weeks and may be SSS.

So while impact bats aren't necessarily going to be ready from Day 1 the days when our position prospects were just getting their feet wet in full-season ball are, thankfully, behind us.
Article on Tyler Webb...  
Dunedin81 : 9/1/2014 5:08 pm : link
A 6'6" lefty with a great K rate (94:22 in 68.2 IP) who doesn't give up many HRs, the only reason he isn't considered a premium relief prospect is because he sits 91-92. But he's a three-pitch pitcher (FB/Change/Slider) with experience in pressure situations as the Gamecocks closer for three trips to Omaha, he may be the first 2013 draftee to the Bronx.
Link - ( New Window )
I'll be doing the same on  
Phil in LA : 9/1/2014 5:24 pm : link
my blog.
Here's the first  
Phil in LA : 9/1/2014 5:43 pm : link
little part.
GCL Yankees1 lose - ( New Window )
Considering the devastation to their Starting Rotation...  
M.S. : 9/1/2014 5:58 pm : link

...Yankees have nothing to be ashamed about.

Too bad their guy at SS will be watching the playoffs from the outside looking in.
I'll Say It Again  
looie : 9/1/2014 8:37 pm : link
Until this team gets to 10 over .500, they're not a serious contender for the wild card. And it better happen soon; time is running out. If they can't win 5 of 6 at home vs. Bost./TB this week, forget it it.
You might as well forget about it...  
Dunedin81 : 9/1/2014 8:38 pm : link
at this point they're not a serious contender for the postseason. It'd be nice to see a five or six game run that at least narrows the margin, but they're done.
RE: You might as well forget about it...  
Del Shofner : 9/1/2014 10:44 pm : link
In comment 11836566 Dunedin81 said:
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at this point they're not a serious contender for the postseason. It'd be nice to see a five or six game run that at least narrows the margin, but they're done.


Unfortunately, I have to agree with that assessment.

Thanks to Dune and Phil and the others here who cover the Yanks' minor league system. I always enjoy reading this stuff, esp. when the big team isn't doing so great.
RE: I'll Say It Again  
Gmen in 2012 : 9/2/2014 7:23 am : link
In comment 11836562 looie said:
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Until this team gets to 10 over .500, they're not a serious contender for the wild card. And it better happen soon; time is running out. If they can't win 5 of 6 at home vs. Bost./TB this week, forget it it.


That ain't happening. I have a feeling this home stand will bury this team. They have played like crap at home all year. And the Red Sox will be throwing out nothing but mediocre pitching this series, Yankees don't hit mediocre pitchers
Only call-up news I've seen so far...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 7:31 am : link
is that Ramon Flores won't be coming to the Bronx. That makes sense, he is still coming back from injury and likely to play in the VWL in a couple months.
A lot of talk about moving Jeter down...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 9:36 am : link
hopefully he'll address it with Joe and avoid that discomfort. Of course you could move Jeter and you'd still have your 1B, your premium hitting position, batting .223 on the season.
Eh  
BigBlueShock : 9/2/2014 9:40 am : link
if they were gonna move Jeter down, it should have been done months ago.
exactly - why bother at this point?  
Greg from LI : 9/2/2014 9:43 am : link
Running Jeter out there in the two slot all year long has been a big reason why they're in the position they're in. Nothing like closing the barn door after the horse has long since run away.
Amen...  
Dan in the Springs : 9/2/2014 9:55 am : link
the time to move Jeter down was when the season was still in play. Now that they are effectively eliminated, when the remaining games are pretty much ceremonial - now you're going to move him down?

I know the Yankees are a professional organization, but sometimes they seem like they are run like a jr. high social club. I'm not just talking about this move at this time, but in general it seems over the last several years they are making moves based on what they want people to think of them, rather than based on a clear vision for what kind of team they are going to be.

This is what happens I guess when the strongest people in your organization are marketing people.
RE: exactly - why bother at this point?  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 10:04 am : link
In comment 11836892 Greg from LI said:
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Running Jeter out there in the two slot all year long has been a big reason why they're in the position they're in. Nothing like closing the barn door after the horse has long since run away.


IDK, Jeter was middling for most of the season and brutal in August. That describes pretty much the entire lineup. No way he should have been in the two slot, but the reason they're losing games is because they're getting jack shit out of the positions that are supposed to provide offense, DH and 1B in particular. Add in Headley and his whopping .252 at 3B, and the position Prado isn't playing on a given night (his .282 has been one of the few pluses post-ASB) and you see why they can't win. Jeter was, pathetically, one of the 3 or 4 best contact hitters on the team up until August 1.
even when Jeter was hitting for a higher average, though  
Greg from LI : 9/2/2014 10:06 am : link
He wasn't getting on base all that much, he didn't even have doubles power, and he was grounding into a ton of DPs.
Sure, no power...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 10:08 am : link
but his OBP (in the .330 range) was probably 3rd or 4th on the team. Which, again, is pathetic.
I agree with Dunedin on this one  
Matt M. : 9/2/2014 10:25 am : link
Granted, there is no way to argue Jeter is having a good season. But, I find it very difficult to pin the offensive problems on him either. He's given about as much as most expected this year, minus a little more pop. Personally, I expected more; a sort of last hurrah. But that is moot. This is what they expected and they expected a number of other spots in the order to be able to compensate for a diminished Jeter. They got no production from Teixeira, McCann, Beltran. they got far less than I think they expected out of the likes of Kelly Johnson and Roberts, and that is saying something.

So, yes, Jeter certainly contributed to the season long funk. But, there are far worse culprits to look at first.

It is amazing, that they are 4 games out of a WC and will likely hang around in that range (maybe a tinge closer) for the month. More amazing, is that if that hold true, that will quadruple the number of meaningless games Jeter will have played in his career. Think about that. For parts of 20 seasons, Jeter will have played in less than 10 games where the Yankees were not at least in contention. in that span, they will have missed the post season 3 of those seasons (including this year). That is simply incredible.
He came back from the worst injury of his career...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 10:42 am : link
at 40 and for most of the season looked like a serviceable if below average glove and something resembling a league average bat at SS. I wasn't sure we'd get this much. A good bit of his problem is just that at this point he is really, really slow. The lack of pop is what it is, but a couple times a week you see ground balls that at 35 he would have made close plays and they're anything but.
Dunedin  
Matt M. : 9/2/2014 10:48 am : link
Nothing you said is wrong. I just expected more because he has always delivered more in this type of situation. I think the Yankees and most fans had more realistic expectations of him. I also think, as I said, they assumed they would get much more production from their expected 4-5-6 to make up for it, along with slightly more production from the vets they picked up to round out the bottom of the order.
Probably the biggest offensive issue on the team is this...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 10:50 am : link
Yankeesource þ@YankeeSource · 1m
Teixeira's 1st half: .241/.341/.464 (305 PA) 2nd half: .179/.281/.302 (121 PA)

Meh. the folks insisting dropping Jeter in the order  
BeerFridge : 9/2/2014 10:55 am : link
are missing the point. This team is not doing a goddamn thing this season. Enjoy the farewell season of a once in a generation player.
Jeter was apart of the problem  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/2/2014 10:59 am : link
but as mentioned earlier, he was sadly one of our best contact hitters this year before the abysmal August he just had.

A far bigger part of the problem was the middle of the order. Old, injured, overpaid, and just bad.

Hopefully we have one last run but this has looked like an 85 win team pretty much all year.
Jeter's season gets to a point that gets glossed over by too many  
rich in DC : 9/2/2014 11:05 am : link
After this season, ARod's suspension ends. Yet, on many a message board, I see posters insisting that ARod is the Yanks best 3B option in 2015, claiming that his floor is a league average 3B.

I really think that people need to take off the fan glasses and look very hard at the last 2 seasons of Jeter's career. At nearly 40, even healthy he was a shadow of the player he was- and Jeter had just one injury.

ARod has now had several major injuries and lost more than a season due to suspension. He will also be 40 next year. I think ANYONE expecting anything more than what Prado or Headley can give is in for a major disappointment.

ARod isn't even a gate draw anymore- he is just as disliked a player as there is in baseball and is more likely to hurt attendance than help it.

Quite simply, the Yanks need to realize ARod's remaining $61M over the next 3 years is a sunk cost and the smart thing to do is to cut all ties with him and either give Prado the job in 2015 or make a major trade to get a younger guy with upside at 3B.

The Yanks financial guys might not like the payroll hit- but he's untradeable and the hit will happen whether he's on the team or not. Bite the bullet and move on.
looked like an 85 win team?  
BeerFridge : 9/2/2014 11:05 am : link
only one team has scored fewer runs in the AL. It's a miracle they are even 500.
yea I know  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 9/2/2014 11:08 am : link
they're not a "true" 85 win team and have had a negative run differential all year. But they were above their projected win total based on RD for pretty much the whole year so 85ish just felt the most likely than 75-80. Our bullpen was good enough to help limit the potential correction that would occur based on the run differential.
I'd prefer they cut ties with A-Rod...  
Dunedin81 : 9/2/2014 11:09 am : link
or DFA his ass. He can be a box office draw in Scranton. I think they can do that, as long as they pay him.
that's fair.  
BeerFridge : 9/2/2014 11:10 am : link
I haven't looked it up, but I bet they have a great record in 1 run games, which can be attributed directly to Betances and Robertson. I'm not sure there's another team that has a better 8-9.
Here  
Phil in LA : 9/2/2014 12:37 pm : link
ya go.
System Review pt. 1 - ( New Window )
RE: Here  
Del Shofner : 9/2/2014 1:13 pm : link
In comment 11837220 Phil in LA said:
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ya go. System Review pt. 1 - ( New Window )


Phil - check that link? It's not taking me where I think it's supposed to be taking me.
Texeira, Beltran, and McCann murdered the season.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 9/2/2014 2:47 pm : link
It's difficult to find a team less productive in the middle of the order than the Yankees. Even the Sox, the only team with less runs than the Yankees, got power from Ortiz and OBP from Napoli when he wasn't hurt.
Most of the lineup just plain stinks  
Greg from LI : 9/2/2014 3:11 pm : link
When Brett Gardner and Jacoby Ellsbury are clearly your two most effective hitters, you have major troubles.
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