NFT: Fantasy: September 2

In comment 11837612 GMenLTS said:

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thought I came away with pretty good value for the most part. New 2 keeper league QB -Luck, Eli RB - Rice, Gore, F. Jackson, Woodhead WR - Marshall, Hilton, Tate, Decker, Nicks, ODB, Lafell TE - Graham, Clay D - Panthers K - Novak My targets kept popping off the board right before my pick, especially rookies, but I think I'll be in pretty good shape once Rice gets back from suspension.

What happened to your 3rd/4th round picks?

In comment 11837660 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 11837612 GMenLTS said: Quote: thought I came away with pretty good value for the most part. New 2 keeper league QB -Luck, Eli RB - Rice, Gore, F. Jackson, Woodhead WR - Marshall, Hilton, Tate, Decker, Nicks, ODB, Lafell TE - Graham, Clay D - Panthers K - Novak My targets kept popping off the board right before my pick, especially rookies, but I think I'll be in pretty good shape once Rice gets back from suspension. What happened to your 3rd/4th round picks?

Yeah I was a little confused too.. Graham and Marshall were obviously 1 and 2.. maybe Luck was the 3rd. Then Hilton, Rice and Gore?

about it when I compared it to the league wide results. Pierce/Rice will be interesting but I tend to favor the known starter and I obviously Kubiak will make holes happen. I hated my draft from a keeper standpoint but we'll see what I can garner in a trade at some point later.

YAJ, Luck/Rice, QB run in the third followed by not much left for me at RB, I was fortunate Gore made it back to me.

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It's only a 10 team league, there had to have been much better options at WR/RB at that point. You could have waited on QB.

league I pick 9th (10 teams, with Flex PPR)

I have Charles/Peterson as my keepers. I can't say I'm too enthused with my likely 1st round pick. Best available players

Bernard, Foster, Ellington, Dez, Julio, Cobb, A. Brown, Gronk, Nelson, Gerhart. So it seems likely I'll end up having to settle for a guy like Cobb at 9.

but Luck was my next highest rating with a big drop off behind him. Indy is going as far as his arm and legs.

If I made the wrong move by not taking VJax over Keenan Allen in my .5 PPR league.

I've just assumed VJax is going to underperform based on the wildcard QB play, but yet he racked up points with Mike Glennon and Josh Freeman at QB.

It's always tricky for 2nd year WRs/RBs. They either take that next jump because they are fully acclimated to the game and feel more comfortable, or they regress because the tape is out on them and defenses are fully accounting for them now.

seems unusually polished/Rivers seems to really trust him in the Red Zone, I wouldn't worry too much.

In comment 11837712 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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If I made the wrong move by not taking VJax over Keenan Allen in my .5 PPR league. I've just assumed VJax is going to underperform based on the wildcard QB play, but yet he racked up points with Mike Glennon and Josh Freeman at QB. It's always tricky for 2nd year WRs/RBs. They either take that next jump because they are fully acclimated to the game and feel more comfortable, or they regress because the tape is out on them and defenses are fully accounting for them now.

I was a little torn between those 2... I took VJ. Keenan went 5 picks later.

Also.. Peyton scored 519 points in my main league last year and Calvin scored 261.

My mind is made up on Peyton at 5 tomorrow night if no one takes him before me. The point discrepancy is too huge. Even if he doesn't throw 55 TD's again.

How many points did Drew Brees score? Is Brees/Rodgers being there in the 2nd a realistic option for you?

AGF.. Brees had 435
Newton - 345
Luck - 338

Rodgers since he missed a bunch of games only had 203

But for comparison sake, these were the top 5 WR's

D. Thomas - 273
J. Gordon - 270
C. Johnson - 261
A. Brown - 259
A. Green - 257

The dropoff from Peyton was HUGE. Over 150 pts between he and the 3rd best QB.

Like I said, I don't expect another 55 TD year but even if he has Brees' 2013 (and he should be slightly better than that), he's still like 200 pts better than the best WR. I don't know how I can justify not taking him at 5. The WR dropoff is also not nearly as steep.

I think there's a chance I could get Brees at 16 but in this league, I'd be surprised. Rodgers could potentially be there.

I don't know. I think I am going to take Peyton at 5 and then try to get Ball in the 2nd and hope a Jordy/Antonio Brown are there in rd. 3.

In comment 11837610 Mr. Nickels said:

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but they will have value eventually

Do you mean like next season?

all have ADPs in late 50s. There had to be better players there.

QBs get 4 per Td and rest is standard. Start 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE and 1 W/R/T (flex)

I thought I did well but Yahoo ranked me 10th (dead last).

QB - Foles/Cutler
WR - Nelson/Crabtree/Edelman
RB - Forte/Ellington/Vereen (likely start RB at flex)
TE - Ertz

Bench:

QB: Cutler
WRs: Watkins/Nicks/Williams/Beckham Jr.
RBs: K. Mereno

In comment 11837773 arcarsenal said:

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AGF.. Brees had 435 Newton - 345 Luck - 338 Rodgers since he missed a bunch of games only had 203 But for comparison sake, these were the top 5 WR's D. Thomas - 273 J. Gordon - 270 C. Johnson - 261 A. Brown - 259 A. Green - 257 The dropoff from Peyton was HUGE. Over 150 pts between he and the 3rd best QB. Like I said, I don't expect another 55 TD year but even if he has Brees' 2013 (and he should be slightly better than that), he's still like 200 pts better than the best WR. I don't know how I can justify not taking him at 5. The WR dropoff is also not nearly as steep. I think there's a chance I could get Brees at 16 but in this league, I'd be surprised. Rodgers could potentially be there. I don't know. I think I am going to take Peyton at 5 and then try to get Ball in the 2nd and hope a Jordy/Antonio Brown are there in rd. 3.

Yeah, in that scoring system it's tough to pass on Peyton. I really think Peyton/Brees/Rodgers will be a lot closer than it was last year, but he still seems like a great pick at 5.

Do you plan on taking an RB or WR in the 2nd?

In comment 11837648 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 11837180 kmed said: Quote: I expect him to have every chance to win the starting gig and to get the majority of the touches this season, but it might take a few weeks and he will have to perform. He's a good bench RB with upside, IMO. If Sankey isn't playing initially do you recommend trading Bernard Pierce for him if Pierce looks good starting by himself the first 2 weeks or hang onto Pierce?

If it was me and I had Pierce, it would depend if I had better starter options on my team. Long term, I like Sankey much more. I just don't see Pierce getting more than 50% of the carries come week 3. They aren't just going to phase Rice out of the offense, he's still going to get at least half of the touches.

Peyton had 504, Brees 421, Rivers 338, Newton 331.

WR's, Thomas had 295, Gordon 286.

I had the 6th pick and took a shot on one of the top 3 guys falling to me in the 2nd round. Calvin and Rodgers or Peyton and Jordy Nelson?

If you don't take Calvin(or a top WR), you are probably going to miss out on Thomas, Dez, AJ, Marshall as well. Once the top 6 RB's go, people take QB's and WR's.

That being said, what's your risk if you take Calvin and then miss out on one of the top 3 QB's? You'll have calvin and lynch or ball. I think you have to go calvin and hope to get lucky in rd 2 with ball, lynch, maybe julio or marshall as backup plans.

about Sankey isn't just depth chart, it's that he's a rookie.

I've read he's struggled with pass protection, and that can keep a rookie on the bench or let the D know it's a running play.

I haven't drafted him in either of my two leagues, and I feel he was over-drafted. I would have taken him a round or 2 later because he can run the ball.

but if the answer was known already it wouldn't be gambling.

Early on I can see him as the goal-line/short yardage back which may help him steal more touches, but I wouldn't bet on him, so I haven't.

I'm still happy with that selection. I am not happy that I took Vernon Davis in rd 6, especially when Witten was taken at the end of rd 8.

Sankey is a rookie and he's too talented not to get touches. If he can clean up his game, he has the potential of being the bellcow on his team. He has the upside.

in my draft league (non-keeper) he was the 3rd pick in the 6th round.

This guy is proposing me trades for antonio brown, he wants vereen and roddy white, i refuse to give up vereen for anyone right now

here is my team and i got peyton in round 4 because tds are only 3 points in my league and marshawn in round 3 i dont like either of them in rounds 1 or 2 but the value was there so i took them
PPR league
Peyton
Marshawn lynch
shane vereen
calvin johnson
roddy white
jordan reed
ryan matthews flex

bench is solid
ray rice
wes welker
hartline
bowe
hyde
ridley
randle

he wants to give me antonio brown for wes welker, roddy white, ryan matthews

worth it? id have two of the top 6 WRs in my starting lineup, id have rice/vereen/lynch/ridley combo at RB and flex, he would also be giving me some players back, no one good but maybe kelce, wallace, chris johnson

i mean i can toy with this dudes head all night and hopefully get the best of him, but you guys think its worth it to do a 3 for 1 for a stud like brown?

Emmanuel Sanders is looking better and better as the days go by.

tried to accept the welker/matthews/white for antonio and chris johnson trade, literally a second after i posted this and BAM he canceled it

just my luck

Andre Caldwell come on down!

or Jacon Tamme in deeper leagues if you need an extra TE...

Sanders looked pretty good with Welker a hard hit away from retirement, no doubt looks great now but not likely available if you already drafted...

Drafted him in the late 7th. Feel really good about his chances of producing right now.

is the guy who will benefit the most, not Caldwell

Is he ready to produce right away?

In comment 11837842 kmed said:

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Peyton had 504, Brees 421, Rivers 338, Newton 331. WR's, Thomas had 295, Gordon 286. I had the 6th pick and took a shot on one of the top 3 guys falling to me in the 2nd round. Calvin and Rodgers or Peyton and Jordy Nelson? If you don't take Calvin(or a top WR), you are probably going to miss out on Thomas, Dez, AJ, Marshall as well. Once the top 6 RB's go, people take QB's and WR's. That being said, what's your risk if you take Calvin and then miss out on one of the top 3 QB's? You'll have calvin and lynch or ball. I think you have to go calvin and hope to get lucky in rd 2 with ball, lynch, maybe julio or marshall as backup plans.

My plan if I take Peyton is to hope for Ball or Lynch to fall to me in rd. 2. If not maybe I go Murray or Bernard.. and then look for Jordy or Antonio Brown with my 3rd pick. I think that's potentially a really, really good way to start.

If I take Calvin, I'd still probably be looking for one of those RB's in rd 2 because if I went QB in rd 2, I'd be in a weird spot RB wise because I'm not crazy about most of the guys who go around rd. 3 and I have a feeling Rodgers will be gone by my 3rd pick.

The way I see it, there could be a potentially very large dropoff in pts between Peyton and whichever QB I'd wind up with if I drafted Calvin. But the difference between Calvin and Antonio Brown was basically nothing. It may not be that way again this year but I'm sure they won't be more than like 20-25 pts apart by the end of the year.

At least with shorter bench leagues...

I think they will still be one of the better defenses.

I have four RBs and two WRs for three slots (RB1, RB2, and Flex):

G.Bernard
D.Martin
B.Pierce
B.Tate

R.Cobb
D.Jackson

Not a PPR.

My starting WRs are C.Johnson and B.Marshall with T.Romo as QB (J.Cutler is the backup).

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In comment 11838159 CruzShip52 said:

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Cobb over Tate or Pierce?

has a tough week 1 matchup against the legion of boom.

hate to play matchups like that week 1, but if Pierce plays (concussion?) he might be a better start

Not trying to sound like a dick, but it certainly helps people form a better opinion.

Doug Martin vs Carolina

Tate vs Pittsburgh

Pierce vs Bengals

Cobb vs Seahawks

Desean vs Houston


Panthers and Bengals both have really stout run defense, so Tate should have more consideration against that bad Steelers defense. Cobb is playing the best secondary in the league, but if you've invested a 3rd round pick (assuming) in the guy, I feel like you have to just throw him out there and hope for the best.

It's a crapshoot but gun to my head I go Gio, Tate, Martin/Cobb. Probably Cobb over Martin. I'd like for that Bucs OL to prove they can block a high five before I start anyone behind them.

14 team standard (picked 13). Your 2014 Laces Out Dan:

QB - Phillip Rivers (5)
RB - Arian Foster (1)
RB - Rashad Jennings (3)
WR - Brandon Marshall (2)
WR - Roddy White (4)
FX - MJD (6)
TE - Martellus Bennet (8)
Df - Saints (12)
K - Graham Gano (15)
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Nicks, WR (7)
Riley Cooper, WR (9)
Carlos Hyde, (10)
Flacco, QB (11)
Robert Turbin (13)
Travis Kelce (14)

Unfortunately by 13 the top QBs and RBs are gone a long with Jimmy Graham. So I roll the dice on Foster...

Sproles or Ingram?

Eifert or Black Unicorn?

Danny Amendola or Cecil Shorts?

Devonte Freeman or Andre Willams?

If you took Calvin with your first pick.. how would you rank these 5 players in order of who you'd want the most to who you'd want the least with your 2nd pick:

Ball
Marshall
Murray
Brees
Bernard

Brees
Gio
Marshall

Ball



Murray

I could flip flop on Gio and Brees. Gio and Mega is just such a nice combo to have. Marshall is an awesome consolation prize. Ball is a bit of an unknown but they seem to trust him as a workhorse back, not in love with him though.

Murray is talented as all hell, but I just can't trust him healthwise. He can absolutely have a fantastic season, and in that case I'll let some other team enjoy the fruits of his labor. I'm not taking the risk.

I am pretty much guaranteed to have another stud fall into my lap at 16 because I looked at it like this..

These 13 players are almost certain to go in the first 13 picks (not necessarily in this order)

McCoy, Charles, AP, Forte, Lacy, Calvin, D. Thomas, Graham, Peyton, Dez, AJ, Lynch, Julio

I can't imagine a scenario where they don't. And then the 2 picks before me, I am guessing 2 of the 5 players I mentioned will be taken.. which means I'll basically be choosing from the other 3.

I think if Brees is there I will take him. Marshall would mean going WR/WR but I don't know if I could pass up on him there. I would be happy with Ball or Bernard. Murray is really the one guy I'd be iffy on.

In the later rounds. I feel like for the first 6-7 rounds I can find a stud WR.

I really just hate the fact that Ball didn't do nearly enough on the field last year to warrant such a high pick. I try to stay away from these high upside breakout players that present no ADP value whatsoever. It's a personal strife I have more than anything else, which I'm sure has fucked me over in the past.

ppr league

QB: Brady / Cam Newton
RB: Vereen, J. Bell, CJ Spiller, McFadden, Stewart
WR: AJ Green, Wright, Maclin, DeAndre Hopkins, Streater
TE: Jimmy Graham / Ladarius Green
Def: PATS
PK: Shayne Graham

Had the 6th pick in 12 team league.

Any thoughts?

The reason I am so high on Ball is because everyone had basically thrown in the towel on Moreno and then last year, he was a top 5 fantasy RB because of that offense. Just so many quick screens, delayed handoffs and just a fuckload of touches. Ball is going to be that guy this year and I think he will put up big numbers.

Fish.. not bad, you fucking fuck. I would say I don't love your RB's but PPR will probably save you there with Vereen who actually isn't a terrible RB1 in PPR as long as he stays healthy. You got a top 5 WR, the #1 TE and I think Brady will be one of the best values at QB this year relative to where he's being drafted. For 12 teams that's pretty solid.

I have to choose eternal nicks, Andrew Hawkins, and Kenny Britt for 3rd receiver slot. Any suggestions?

Fucker

10 team, no PPR. Standard scoring with 4pts per QB TD. 2RB,2WR,1 RB/WR/TE flex.

7th draft slot:

QB: Cutler, Newton
RB: Ball, Stacy, Vereen, Pierce
WR: Calvin Johnson, K. Allen, E. Sanders, Hilton, M. Evans
TE: Rudolph, Clay
K: Vinatieri
Def: Rams

Wish I had slightly better option at RB2. Had to go Stacy at 27th due to 14 RBs going beforehand. Vereen at 54.

if it's a full PPR. You will be getting 5-7 points weekly on catches alone from Vereen.