NFT: Fantasy: September 2

Julius Thomas and Gronk at the same time?

otherwise, I'd trade one for a RB1 or even a WR1.

and your team would be better.

And why two D's, did you have to draft two D's?

I can't wait. I feel prepped and ready. Which translates to I have no clue who I am taking at the 6th pick. I'm hoping for Lacy, but I have a feeling he will be gone. Leaving me to pick either Peyton, Megatron or Montee Ball. It is a standard scoring keeper league with penalties for fumbles and interceptions. My keepers are R. Cobb, M. Floyd and A. Jeffrey. I'm stacked at WR, so I'm leaning away from C. Johnson. I think Peyton makes the most sense here, but I feel taking a hot shot RB may be the wise move. I hesitate because it is early to take Ball. I just have a feeling it will be the smart thing to do.

I am not considering J. Graham. Taking a TE at no. 6 just seems wrong to me.

one of Gronk or Thomas in the flex spot...

yeah i had to draft 2 kickers and 2 defenses...i dropped my 2nd kicker already...

I know he's had some nice runs in the preseason games, but he's #3 on the depth chart and is out a couple of weeks. Yet I constantly see him drafted well before Robert Turbin. I don't get it.

felt like I came away with one of the better teams. My bench is very high risk/reward though, which I don't mind.

Key player in my draft was Gronk with the 42nd pick. It was the best against-the-ADP pick of my early rounds since he's going around 30 most places, I guess the other teams were just a little scared off by his injuries. He puts up a big year, I should be in fantastic position. If he gets hurt, well then I'm fucked. But I haven't had a great TE in a long time and his ceiling was just too high to pass up that late.

Julio Jones + Reggie Bush OR Cordarelle Patterson + Marshawn Lynch? Which Rd 2/3 duo would you rather have?


nygiants... I think you have a team with a really high ceiling but also some injury risks. Cam is a big one, his rushing totals might do down this year to protect himself from injuries. If Cam has a big year, you should be looking good. Julio Jones and Gronk are also injury risks on your team, but again if both stay healthy you should be looking good. I love the decision to with Julius Thomas and Gronkowski, I didn't have the chance in a 14 team league but it's something I was thinking about doing. There's so much potential trade value there later in the season.

In comment 11837004 YAJ2112 said:

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I know he's had some nice runs in the preseason games, but he's #3 on the depth chart and is out a couple of weeks. Yet I constantly see him drafted well before Robert Turbin. I don't get it.

I will probably end up releasing him but it was a flyer pick....it was the last pick in the draft and i figured why not...

julius, gronk, bell, julio, mccoy

In comment 11837005 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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nygiants... I think you have a team with a really high ceiling but also some injury risks. Cam is a big one, his rushing totals might do down this year to protect himself from injuries. If Cam has a big year, you should be looking good. Julio Jones and Gronk are also injury risks on your team, but again if both stay healthy you should be looking good. I love the decision to with Julius Thomas and Gronkowski, I didn't have the chance in a 14 team league but it's something I was thinking about doing. There's so much potential trade value there later in the season.

Yeah i took Julio after the huge run on Wrs in the 2nd round he was the last of my top tier guys so i took him in the 2nd...

I wa hoping Antonio brown would get to me in the 3rd but he was taken 1 spot before my pick...

Yeah i couldnt pass on thomas and Gronk especially since i can play 1 in my flex position...i got thomas in the 4th and Gronk in the 5th was to good to pass up...

In comment 11837015 CruzShip52 said:

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julius, gronk, bell, julio, mccoy

Peyton and Forte were the first 2 picks so i got Mccoy

Rodgers and Brees both went first round so the big run on wrs didnt start until the 2nd round so i was lucky to get Julio...

Bell fell to me in the 3rd would of probably went antonio brown if he fell to me in the 3rd

Julius and Gronk were both sitting there in the 4th and 5th so i couldnt pass them up..

then somehow got vincent jackson in the 6th...

The league is ful of guys that get QB happy and take Qbs way to early...

In comment 11837018 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 11837005 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said: Quote: nygiants... I think you have a team with a really high ceiling but also some injury risks. Cam is a big one, his rushing totals might do down this year to protect himself from injuries. If Cam has a big year, you should be looking good. Julio Jones and Gronk are also injury risks on your team, but again if both stay healthy you should be looking good. I love the decision to with Julius Thomas and Gronkowski, I didn't have the chance in a 14 team league but it's something I was thinking about doing. There's so much potential trade value there later in the season. Yeah i took Julio after the huge run on Wrs in the 2nd round he was the last of my top tier guys so i took him in the 2nd... I wa hoping Antonio brown would get to me in the 3rd but he was taken 1 spot before my pick... Yeah i couldnt pass on thomas and Gronk especially since i can play 1 in my flex position...i got thomas in the 4th and Gronk in the 5th was to good to pass up...

And with Cam i know he is injury risk thats why i took Rivers in the 10th

I would take Lynch and Patterson, but I am basing that off of my belief that Patterson is going to have a huge season. I think he will put up WR1 numbers. Plus, Lynch is consistently underrated. I don't see how people are taking Montee Ball or Gio over Lynch who, in my opinion, is the #6 overall RB after Lacy, Forte, McCoy, Charles and AP.

Bush will have higher value in PPR, but Bell is going to be the lead guy on the ground in Detroit, the goal-line back, and is also a good pass-catcher in his own right. Julio will have a great season also, but I just think the dropoff from Lynch to Bush is greater than from Julio to Patterson.

geez

i wish i was in your league

In comment 11837030 CruzShip52 said:

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geez i wish i was in your league

the guys in my league get QB happy...i dnt know why but it happens every year and they are not idiots either...

Everyone in the league was concerned with his injury history when i took him everyone was like ho wlong is he going to last...i washappy to take him..

In comment 11837028 TEPLimey said:

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I would take Lynch and Patterson, but I am basing that off of my belief that Patterson is going to have a huge season. I think he will put up WR1 numbers. Plus, Lynch is consistently underrated. I don't see how people are taking Montee Ball or Gio over Lynch who, in my opinion, is the #6 overall RB after Lacy, Forte, McCoy, Charles and AP. Bush will have higher value in PPR, but Bell is going to be the lead guy on the ground in Detroit, the goal-line back, and is also a good pass-catcher in his own right. Julio will have a great season also, but I just think the dropoff from Lynch to Bush is greater than from Julio to Patterson.

Agreed, that's the way I went. I'm hoping Patterson thrives under Norv this year.

In comment 11837005 Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy said:

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Julio Jones + Reggie Bush OR Cordarelle Patterson + Marshawn Lynch? Which Rd 2/3 duo would you rather have?

Thats a good question....i would rather have Julio than Patterson even with all the hype and i would rathe rhave lynch than Bush...thats tough...

I think Bell is going to steal a lot of points from Bush with red zone carries and them splitting the work load...

I would probably go Patterson and Lynch but thats tough...

I would definitely try to put together some type of package for a QB. You're going to have 1 of Wright, Torrey Smith, Julius, and Gronk riding the bench all season while you're trotting out a gimpy Newton who only has Greg Olsen to throw to or Philip Rivers. Particularly since I think Pitta's return will have a big impact on Smith, you're going to have a lot of points sitting on the bench one way or another otherwise.

easy

Stafford against the stout Giants D or Kapernick vs. the lousy Cowboys D? I also have Calvin.....

Start 1qb, 2 Rb's, 3wr, 1 flex, TE, K, D,

QB Rodgers, Romo
RB McCoy, Morris, Ball, Pierce, Richardson
WR Cobb, Crabtree, V Jax, Harvin Macklin Becky.
TE J. reed
K Seattle
D cinn

In comment 11837046 CruzShip52 said:

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easy

Care to elaborate, because I don't think that's easy at all.

looks like things fell just right for you

In comment 11837045 TEPLimey said:

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I would definitely try to put together some type of package for a QB. You're going to have 1 of Wright, Torrey Smith, Julius, and Gronk riding the bench all season while you're trotting out a gimpy Newton who only has Greg Olsen to throw to or Philip Rivers. Particularly since I think Pitta's return will have a big impact on Smith, you're going to have a lot of points sitting on the bench one way or another otherwise.

I am hoping Kelvin Benjamin really breaks out to help Cam out...Rivers should still have a good year with under year under his belt in the new offense and Ladarius Green having an even bigger role in the offense...

I love my depth at Wr...get vincent Jackson in the 6th felt like such a steal to me, i had a 3rd round grade on him...

With Thomas and Gronk i can play both and i know eventually i am going to get some trade offers for one of them...

I know i am going to hate having Wright on th ebench every week becaus ehe is a PPR monster but it is a good problem to have i guess

is going to be historically bad, tough to pass on kaepernick this week, you cant go wrong with either QB though.



I drafted my 12 team PPR last night, any thoughts are appreciated (QB/WR/WR/RB/FLEX/TE starters):

QB: Kaepernick, Alex Smith
RB: Forte, Vereen, Joique Bell
WR: Jordy, Cruz, Michael Floyd, Welker, Justin Hunter
TE: Ertz, Richard Richards
D/ST: Arizona, NYG
K: Phil Dawson

In comment 11837047 GiantBlue said:

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Stafford against the stout Giants D or Kapernick vs. the lousy Cowboys D? I also have Calvin.....

I think you go Kaepernik even with you having Calvin...its tough to sit Stafford since i am sure he was your 4th or 5th round pick but I think Kaepernik will shred that cowboys defense in the air and on the ground..

I thought my 5th pick dilemma for tomorrow night was limited to Calvin or Lacy.

Now I'm considering Peyton as well.

Goddamnit.

In comment 11837060 NVA_Blue said:

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is going to be historically bad, tough to pass on kaepernick this week, you cant go wrong with either QB though. I drafted my 12 team PPR last night, any thoughts are appreciated (QB/WR/WR/RB/FLEX/TE starters): QB: Kaepernick, Alex Smith RB: Forte, Vereen, Joique Bell WR: Jordy, Cruz, Michael Floyd, Welker, Justin Hunter TE: Ertz, Richard Richards D/ST: Arizona, NYG K: Phil Dawson

If its PPR your RBs will carry your team both are studs in ppr leagues...

have to hope Cruz and Floyd both have good years and welker can stay healthy...

Ertz has been this years sexy pick got to hope he unseats Celek in the passing game...Foles stil loves passing to Celek...

In comment 11837068 arcarsenal said:

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I thought my 5th pick dilemma for tomorrow night was limited to Calvin or Lacy. Now I'm considering Peyton as well. Goddamnit.

Arc is it PPR? 6 or 4 points per throwing tds?

.5 PPR and 6 points for passing TD's

Any of the top 4 picks I'd go one of the RB's. I just can't get crazy about Lacy at 5. Peyton will probably be the highest scoring player in the league.

Is it crazy to take him 5th? I feel like it's not and I'm strongly considering it now.

Yeah it is easy in my book I have jones as a top 5 WR and i have patterson as a top 20 WR I love julio this year and i really dont like patterson at all unless its for his big play potential i dont see him being close to julio

assuming its ppr i love reggie bush this year, as long as he is healthy he will continue to put up huge numbers with receptions, i really just dont like lynch at all this year not sure what it is but i feel a down year is coming for him, even if he was leaps and bounds ahead of bush id still do the trade because you are getting julio

are only thing that makes it close is their injuries. Jones is a monster when healthy and Bush never gets RZ carries so you should already know his value. He will score 5-8 TDs most coming outside of 10 yards.

Patterson may thrive but I'd rather Jobes by a big margin. Lynch is a beast but his vale drops in any sort of PPR, and he doesn't put up monster yardage.

Like I said, health keeps it close but that's my only slight reservation.

In comment 11837075 arcarsenal said:

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.5 PPR and 6 points for passing TD's Any of the top 4 picks I'd go one of the RB's. I just can't get crazy about Lacy at 5. Peyton will probably be the highest scoring player in the league. Is it crazy to take him 5th? I feel like it's not and I'm strongly considering it now.

I dont think its crazy to take Peyton 5...Peyton went 1 in my 10 team league last night...

i dont think Lacy should even be in the thought process...

Its between Calvin and Peyton...here is what you should be thinking about who do you think the guys after you will be taking based on what they have done in years past and do you think if you do take Peyton a Rb or a Wr will fall to you in the 2nd?

me personally i would go Calvin then go either one of Rodgers or Brees if they fall or a top wr if one falls or a RB if one falls...

In my 12 team league i was at 7 and Peyton was sitting there i passed went with Dez and Lynch fell to me because everyone panicked when there was a run on Wrs...i ended up with Foles as my QB...

its realy how you feel the others will draft...

I dont think you can go wrong though with Calvin or Peyton...I think Lacy would be a mistake..

In comment 11837076 CruzShip52 said:

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Yeah it is easy in my book I have jones as a top 5 WR and i have patterson as a top 20 WR I love julio this year and i really dont like patterson at all unless its for his big play potential i dont see him being close to julio assuming its ppr i love reggie bush this year, as long as he is healthy he will continue to put up huge numbers with receptions, i really just dont like lynch at all this year not sure what it is but i feel a down year is coming for him, even if he was leaps and bounds ahead of bush id still do the trade because you are getting julio

I guess my issue there is that I see no reason to be down on Lynch. He's on the right side of 30, was a monster in fantasy last year (#4 overall), and will not split carries with anyone. Seattle will run the ball a ton this year and Lynch is going to see 25+ touches a game and 30+ receptions to boot. There's really no reason to expect a decline from him.

Bush, will see probably 30-35 more receptions and 100 less touches on the ground than Lynch, plus he will see limited goal-line work.

Lynch over Bush every day of the week in fantasy...Lynch wil get so many more touches than Bush plus red zone carries...even with a lesser workload...

The question becomes how much better do you think Julio Jones is than Cordarelle patterson and is the difference enough to make up for the difference between Bush and Lynch

To be clear, I mean that Lynch will see 30+ receptions for the season and Bush will see somewhere around 60.

Here's my rationale with Peyton..

I feel like if I take him at 5, at least one or 2 guys will panic and take Brees and/or Rodgers before my next pick (10 team league) which makes me feel like I may be able to get Ball in the 2nd. If I could get Brown in the 3rd I think that would be an awesome way to start. I'd have the top QB and the very top Tier 2 players at both WR and RB.

If I take Calvin, I'd be torn.. because if I took Brees or Rodgers in the 2nd, I'd be left with those 3rd rd RB's whom I'm not crazy about. Then if I wait, I could wind up with a Jennings as my RB1 which is... meh. I just don't want to get caught with nothing I really like at RB.

In comment 11837075 arcarsenal said:

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.5 PPR and 6 points for passing TD's Any of the top 4 picks I'd go one of the RB's. I just can't get crazy about Lacy at 5. Peyton will probably be the highest scoring player in the league. Is it crazy to take him 5th? I feel like it's not and I'm strongly considering it now.

I'm not saying I'm opposed to this strategy, but consider that Peyton plays against the NFC West and AFC East this year. He (and his team) looked awful in the SB, and the Pats added Revis and Browner specifically to stop the Broncos. and one of their out of division games is with the Bengals who have a good D, obviously better with Atkins back.

Peyton might be the highest point scorer again, but I don't see him with another 55 TD's or making it look as easy as last year. I think he is closer to the pack or I can even see someone like Brees or Rodgers neck and neck with him.

Last year I think he was 100 points higher than Brees in my league - that's significant. Enough to make me take him at 5 if he were available.

why even consider a qb in the first 8 rounds?

wait it out, get your position studs and then get a cutler/staff/romo/big ben/brady later on once your team is stacked

if qb are 6 pt tds then id take a qb but most leagues are 3-4 pt tds

is great value. Gronk went in the 3rd in my league which is way too rich for my blood. He's got some serious risk, but his upside is right with Graham as a 1st rounder. I would have been all over him in the 5th, possibly the 4th depending on how the draft shook out. You got lucky.

is a great combo to have if you don't draft anyone early. I really, really like Rivers this year, espectially where he's getting drafted.

In comment 11837107 kmed said:

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is great value. Gronk went in the 3rd in my league which is way too rich for my blood. He's got some serious risk, but his upside is right with Graham as a 1st rounder. I would have been all over him in the 5th, possibly the 4th depending on how the draft shook out. You got lucky.

Oh i definitely got lucky thats why i couldnt wait to make the Gronk pick...

Drafted 5th out of 10 in a non-PPR league. 1. Calvin Johnson 2. Jordy Nelson 3. Rob Gronkkoski 4. Tom Brady 5. Shane Vernon 6. Ray Rice 7. Steven Jackson 8. Lamar Miller 9. Reggie Wayne 10. Sammy Watkins 11. Colin Kaepernick 12. Martelius Bennett 13. Mason Crosby 14. Cincinnati’s D 15. Ahmad Bradshaw 16. Matt Prater

In comment 11837109 kmed said:

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is a great combo to have if you don't draft anyone early. I really, really like Rivers this year, espectially where he's getting drafted.

Yeah i got newton in the 8th and Rivers in the 10th...i took Rivers because of NEwtons injry history and i am sure there are going to be weeks i start Rivers instead of Newton depending on matchups which is fine with me

barring injuries. You have 2 really good starting caliber RB's. You have 2 really good starting caliber WR's. You have 2 QB's with a lot of upside. You have 2 really good starting caliber TE's. You have some bench players with upside and trade potential if need be. Nice job all around(benefited by some draft luck).

In comment 11837106 CruzShip52 said:

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why even consider a qb in the first 8 rounds? wait it out, get your position studs and then get a cutler/staff/romo/big ben/brady later on once your team is stacked if qb are 6 pt tds then id take a qb but most leagues are 3-4 pt tds

Because there's a pretty huge difference between starting Peyton every week and starting some of the other guys. I do like some of the other QB's.. but...

What I really want is to scoop Ball in the 2nd since I'm almost certainly passing on Lacy.

Wishful thinking but if I could get Calvin, Ball, Brown, Luck, Jennings with my first 5 picks, I'd be pretty psyched.

can you trade draft picks with anyone? Most people have Lacy as the clear cut #5 pick, if allowed, you should find some interest from the guys who draft 7-8-9. You can trade your 1, 2, 4 for their 1,2,4. You move up a few spots in the 2nd and 4th and you still get your guy in the first.

In comment 11837099 nygiants16 said:

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Lynch over Bush every day of the week in fantasy...Lynch wil get so many more touches than Bush plus red zone carries...even with a lesser workload... The question becomes how much better do you think Julio Jones is than Cordarelle patterson and is the difference enough to make up for the difference between Bush and Lynch

Admittedly, I am very high on Patterson. He looked great at the end of last season and I think Norv will transform him. I guess its just a matter of opinion, but I don't think that drop-off between the two WRs is so big.

It's possible but probably not too likely.

In comment 11837121 TEPLimey said:

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In comment 11837099 nygiants16 said: Quote: Lynch over Bush every day of the week in fantasy...Lynch wil get so many more touches than Bush plus red zone carries...even with a lesser workload... The question becomes how much better do you think Julio Jones is than Cordarelle patterson and is the difference enough to make up for the difference between Bush and Lynch Admittedly, I am very high on Patterson. He looked great at the end of last season and I think Norv will transform him. I guess its just a matter of opinion, but I don't think that drop-off between the two WRs is so big.

Right my point exactly its all the persons preference...

In comment 11837115 kmed said:

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barring injuries. You have 2 really good starting caliber RB's. You have 2 really good starting caliber WR's. You have 2 QB's with a lot of upside. You have 2 really good starting caliber TE's. You have some bench players with upside and trade potential if need be. Nice job all around(benefited by some draft luck).

I definitely got lucky on some picks i will admit that...better lucky than good right?

is quite large. Patterson is all potential at this point. He was a rookie who had a nice stretch at the end of the season and still has a weak QB situation. Julio Jones is a man child who's had a significant amount of success in the NFL and has a top QB throwing him the ball in a "air it out" offense.