NFT: Fantasy: September 2

discussion about Ebron or any fantasy draft buzz about him. Anyone selecting him? Thoughts?

IMO, at best, he's going to be their 4th or 5th option and I'm not sure he's going to get a significant number of snaps to make him fantasy relevant this season. Apparently he's having some issues blocking so he might lose some snaps because of that.

Im not big on the Jimmy Graham teams either. Something about him being a TE and first round bug me.

think Julius Thomas is going to be an awesome value in leagues where he's there 3rd or 4th round vs. Graham in the first.

Peyton loves using his Tight End and that just adds to his value...with Welker and his concussion history i would not be surprised to see Thomas become the 3rd option possibly even the 2nd option in that offense...

Yeah. I think people almost sleep on Julius because they see Graham off the board and go "alright, I'll just fill TE later" and then that one guy nabs Thomas in like the late 3rd and everyone goes "oh, shit. Nice pick"

I thought for sure I would have a chance at him in the 3rd.

21. Gronk went 8th in the 3rd round or 28. There just wasnt an opportunity to grab those guys that made sense.

or Texans?

Thomas went 26th overall in the league I drafted in a week or two ago. The guy who had 5th pick (like I do) passed on him in Rd 3 (but took Rodgers) and the next guy took Thomas.

If I can take Thomas at 26 I am almost certainly going to do it.

Carlos Hyde @ Dallas

Andre Williams @ Detroit

or

Kelvin Benjamin @ Tampa Bay

In comment 11837595 BigBlue1092 said:

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Carlos Hyde @ Dallas Andre Williams @ Detroit or Kelvin Benjamin @ Tampa Bay

None of these guys. If you're starting any of those guys in a flex position week 1, you're either in a 30 team league or you're in for a long season.

Hyde and Williams should have 0 value.

Lmao...you hit the nail on the head.

but they will have value eventually

thought I came away with pretty good value for the most part. New 2 keeper league

QB -Luck, Eli
RB - Rice, Gore, F. Jackson, Woodhead
WR - Marshall, Hilton, Tate, Decker, Nicks, ODB, Lafell
TE - Graham, Clay
D - Panthers
K - Novak

My targets kept popping off the board right before my pick, especially rookies, but I think I'll be in pretty good shape once Rice gets back from suspension.

In comment 11837612 GMenLTS said:

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thought I came away with pretty good value for the most part. New 2 keeper league QB -Luck, Eli RB - Rice, Gore, F. Jackson, Woodhead WR - Marshall, Hilton, Tate, Decker, Nicks, ODB, Lafell TE - Graham, Clay D - Panthers K - Novak My targets kept popping off the board right before my pick, especially rookies, but I think I'll be in pretty good shape once Rice gets back from suspension.

No offense but i really don't like your draft. Your top 3 RBs could all easily be replaced this season (i think Gore hangs on the full year though). I have a feeling Bryce Brown replaces FJax this year and Pierce runs away with the Ravens job in the new zone blocking one cut Kubiak scheme. Best case scenario is an even split in Baltimore. Woodhead is your best pick here for PPR but even still they added Donald Brown to the mix. In a keeper league I wish you found some more youthful upside RBs. Ellington early and Freeman late would have been clutch.

Hilton has extra competition for targets. He is better in standard than PPR but he could develop even more. You doubled down with Nicks too who we all know has proven to be lazy. Plus Luck as QB a lot of eggs in one basket. ODB probably will have a wasted rookie year if history is accurate. LaFell is a flier but Pats have like 6 options ahead of him(Gronk Vereen Edelman Amendola Dobson Thompkins maybe even Tim Wright).

In comment 11837180 kmed said:

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I expect him to have every chance to win the starting gig and to get the majority of the touches this season, but it might take a few weeks and he will have to perform. He's a good bench RB with upside, IMO.

If Sankey isn't playing initially do you recommend trading Bernard Pierce for him if Pierce looks good starting by himself the first 2 weeks or hang onto Pierce?

In comment 11837612 GMenLTS said:

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thought I came away with pretty good value for the most part. New 2 keeper league QB -Luck, Eli RB - Rice, Gore, F. Jackson, Woodhead WR - Marshall, Hilton, Tate, Decker, Nicks, ODB, Lafell TE - Graham, Clay D - Panthers K - Novak My targets kept popping off the board right before my pick, especially rookies, but I think I'll be in pretty good shape once Rice gets back from suspension.

What happened to your 3rd/4th round picks?

In comment 11837660 YAJ2112 said:

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In comment 11837612 GMenLTS said: Quote: thought I came away with pretty good value for the most part. New 2 keeper league QB -Luck, Eli RB - Rice, Gore, F. Jackson, Woodhead WR - Marshall, Hilton, Tate, Decker, Nicks, ODB, Lafell TE - Graham, Clay D - Panthers K - Novak My targets kept popping off the board right before my pick, especially rookies, but I think I'll be in pretty good shape once Rice gets back from suspension. What happened to your 3rd/4th round picks?

Yeah I was a little confused too.. Graham and Marshall were obviously 1 and 2.. maybe Luck was the 3rd. Then Hilton, Rice and Gore?

about it when I compared it to the league wide results. Pierce/Rice will be interesting but I tend to favor the known starter and I obviously Kubiak will make holes happen. I hated my draft from a keeper standpoint but we'll see what I can garner in a trade at some point later.

YAJ, Luck/Rice, QB run in the third followed by not much left for me at RB, I was fortunate Gore made it back to me.

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It's only a 10 team league, there had to have been much better options at WR/RB at that point. You could have waited on QB.

league I pick 9th (10 teams, with Flex PPR)

I have Charles/Peterson as my keepers. I can't say I'm too enthused with my likely 1st round pick. Best available players

Bernard, Foster, Ellington, Dez, Julio, Cobb, A. Brown, Gronk, Nelson, Gerhart. So it seems likely I'll end up having to settle for a guy like Cobb at 9.

but Luck was my next highest rating with a big drop off behind him. Indy is going as far as his arm and legs.

If I made the wrong move by not taking VJax over Keenan Allen in my .5 PPR league.

I've just assumed VJax is going to underperform based on the wildcard QB play, but yet he racked up points with Mike Glennon and Josh Freeman at QB.

It's always tricky for 2nd year WRs/RBs. They either take that next jump because they are fully acclimated to the game and feel more comfortable, or they regress because the tape is out on them and defenses are fully accounting for them now.

seems unusually polished/Rivers seems to really trust him in the Red Zone, I wouldn't worry too much.

In comment 11837712 AnotherGiantsFan said:

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If I made the wrong move by not taking VJax over Keenan Allen in my .5 PPR league. I've just assumed VJax is going to underperform based on the wildcard QB play, but yet he racked up points with Mike Glennon and Josh Freeman at QB. It's always tricky for 2nd year WRs/RBs. They either take that next jump because they are fully acclimated to the game and feel more comfortable, or they regress because the tape is out on them and defenses are fully accounting for them now.

I was a little torn between those 2... I took VJ. Keenan went 5 picks later.

Also.. Peyton scored 519 points in my main league last year and Calvin scored 261.

My mind is made up on Peyton at 5 tomorrow night if no one takes him before me. The point discrepancy is too huge. Even if he doesn't throw 55 TD's again.

How many points did Drew Brees score? Is Brees/Rodgers being there in the 2nd a realistic option for you?

AGF.. Brees had 435
Newton - 345
Luck - 338

Rodgers since he missed a bunch of games only had 203

But for comparison sake, these were the top 5 WR's

D. Thomas - 273
J. Gordon - 270
C. Johnson - 261
A. Brown - 259
A. Green - 257

The dropoff from Peyton was HUGE. Over 150 pts between he and the 3rd best QB.

Like I said, I don't expect another 55 TD year but even if he has Brees' 2013 (and he should be slightly better than that), he's still like 200 pts better than the best WR. I don't know how I can justify not taking him at 5. The WR dropoff is also not nearly as steep.

I think there's a chance I could get Brees at 16 but in this league, I'd be surprised. Rodgers could potentially be there.

I don't know. I think I am going to take Peyton at 5 and then try to get Ball in the 2nd and hope a Jordy/Antonio Brown are there in rd. 3.

In comment 11837610 Mr. Nickels said:

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but they will have value eventually

Do you mean like next season?

all have ADPs in late 50s. There had to be better players there.

QBs get 4 per Td and rest is standard. Start 1 QB, 3 WR, 2 RB, 1 TE and 1 W/R/T (flex)

I thought I did well but Yahoo ranked me 10th (dead last).

QB - Foles/Cutler
WR - Nelson/Crabtree/Edelman
RB - Forte/Ellington/Vereen (likely start RB at flex)
TE - Ertz

Bench:

QB: Cutler
WRs: Watkins/Nicks/Williams/Beckham Jr.
RBs: K. Mereno

In comment 11837773 arcarsenal said:

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AGF.. Brees had 435 Newton - 345 Luck - 338 Rodgers since he missed a bunch of games only had 203 But for comparison sake, these were the top 5 WR's D. Thomas - 273 J. Gordon - 270 C. Johnson - 261 A. Brown - 259 A. Green - 257 The dropoff from Peyton was HUGE. Over 150 pts between he and the 3rd best QB. Like I said, I don't expect another 55 TD year but even if he has Brees' 2013 (and he should be slightly better than that), he's still like 200 pts better than the best WR. I don't know how I can justify not taking him at 5. The WR dropoff is also not nearly as steep. I think there's a chance I could get Brees at 16 but in this league, I'd be surprised. Rodgers could potentially be there. I don't know. I think I am going to take Peyton at 5 and then try to get Ball in the 2nd and hope a Jordy/Antonio Brown are there in rd. 3.

Yeah, in that scoring system it's tough to pass on Peyton. I really think Peyton/Brees/Rodgers will be a lot closer than it was last year, but he still seems like a great pick at 5.

Do you plan on taking an RB or WR in the 2nd?

In comment 11837648 Mr. Nickels said:

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In comment 11837180 kmed said: Quote: I expect him to have every chance to win the starting gig and to get the majority of the touches this season, but it might take a few weeks and he will have to perform. He's a good bench RB with upside, IMO. If Sankey isn't playing initially do you recommend trading Bernard Pierce for him if Pierce looks good starting by himself the first 2 weeks or hang onto Pierce?

If it was me and I had Pierce, it would depend if I had better starter options on my team. Long term, I like Sankey much more. I just don't see Pierce getting more than 50% of the carries come week 3. They aren't just going to phase Rice out of the offense, he's still going to get at least half of the touches.

Peyton had 504, Brees 421, Rivers 338, Newton 331.

WR's, Thomas had 295, Gordon 286.

I had the 6th pick and took a shot on one of the top 3 guys falling to me in the 2nd round. Calvin and Rodgers or Peyton and Jordy Nelson?

If you don't take Calvin(or a top WR), you are probably going to miss out on Thomas, Dez, AJ, Marshall as well. Once the top 6 RB's go, people take QB's and WR's.

That being said, what's your risk if you take Calvin and then miss out on one of the top 3 QB's? You'll have calvin and lynch or ball. I think you have to go calvin and hope to get lucky in rd 2 with ball, lynch, maybe julio or marshall as backup plans.

about Sankey isn't just depth chart, it's that he's a rookie.

I've read he's struggled with pass protection, and that can keep a rookie on the bench or let the D know it's a running play.

I haven't drafted him in either of my two leagues, and I feel he was over-drafted. I would have taken him a round or 2 later because he can run the ball.

but if the answer was known already it wouldn't be gambling.

Early on I can see him as the goal-line/short yardage back which may help him steal more touches, but I wouldn't bet on him, so I haven't.

I'm still happy with that selection. I am not happy that I took Vernon Davis in rd 6, especially when Witten was taken at the end of rd 8.

Sankey is a rookie and he's too talented not to get touches. If he can clean up his game, he has the potential of being the bellcow on his team. He has the upside.

in my draft league (non-keeper) he was the 3rd pick in the 6th round.

This guy is proposing me trades for antonio brown, he wants vereen and roddy white, i refuse to give up vereen for anyone right now

here is my team and i got peyton in round 4 because tds are only 3 points in my league and marshawn in round 3 i dont like either of them in rounds 1 or 2 but the value was there so i took them
PPR league
Peyton
Marshawn lynch
shane vereen
calvin johnson
roddy white
jordan reed
ryan matthews flex

bench is solid
ray rice
wes welker
hartline
bowe
hyde
ridley
randle

he wants to give me antonio brown for wes welker, roddy white, ryan matthews

worth it? id have two of the top 6 WRs in my starting lineup, id have rice/vereen/lynch/ridley combo at RB and flex, he would also be giving me some players back, no one good but maybe kelce, wallace, chris johnson

i mean i can toy with this dudes head all night and hopefully get the best of him, but you guys think its worth it to do a 3 for 1 for a stud like brown?

Emmanuel Sanders is looking better and better as the days go by.

tried to accept the welker/matthews/white for antonio and chris johnson trade, literally a second after i posted this and BAM he canceled it

just my luck

Andre Caldwell come on down!

or Jacon Tamme in deeper leagues if you need an extra TE...

Sanders looked pretty good with Welker a hard hit away from retirement, no doubt looks great now but not likely available if you already drafted...

Drafted him in the late 7th. Feel really good about his chances of producing right now.

is the guy who will benefit the most, not Caldwell

Is he ready to produce right away?

In comment 11837842 kmed said:

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Peyton had 504, Brees 421, Rivers 338, Newton 331. WR's, Thomas had 295, Gordon 286. I had the 6th pick and took a shot on one of the top 3 guys falling to me in the 2nd round. Calvin and Rodgers or Peyton and Jordy Nelson? If you don't take Calvin(or a top WR), you are probably going to miss out on Thomas, Dez, AJ, Marshall as well. Once the top 6 RB's go, people take QB's and WR's. That being said, what's your risk if you take Calvin and then miss out on one of the top 3 QB's? You'll have calvin and lynch or ball. I think you have to go calvin and hope to get lucky in rd 2 with ball, lynch, maybe julio or marshall as backup plans.

My plan if I take Peyton is to hope for Ball or Lynch to fall to me in rd. 2. If not maybe I go Murray or Bernard.. and then look for Jordy or Antonio Brown with my 3rd pick. I think that's potentially a really, really good way to start.

If I take Calvin, I'd still probably be looking for one of those RB's in rd 2 because if I went QB in rd 2, I'd be in a weird spot RB wise because I'm not crazy about most of the guys who go around rd. 3 and I have a feeling Rodgers will be gone by my 3rd pick.

The way I see it, there could be a potentially very large dropoff in pts between Peyton and whichever QB I'd wind up with if I drafted Calvin. But the difference between Calvin and Antonio Brown was basically nothing. It may not be that way again this year but I'm sure they won't be more than like 20-25 pts apart by the end of the year.

At least with shorter bench leagues...

I think they will still be one of the better defenses.