But the timing surprises me. This will encourage a wider intervention right at the time the decision is being made. As psychotic as they are, ISIS also hasn't been stupid to this point.
But the timing surprises me. This will encourage a wider intervention right at the time the decision is being made. As psychotic as they are, ISIS also hasn't been stupid to this point.
what do you mean?
as for these lowest pieces of shit, its only a matter of time before they get to visit their god. Napalm the area... But this is what they want... they want us there. On the floor and fighting them in their grounds.
so isis has americans in the group? where do they reside, syria? just curious about this group and if it doesnt seem like many people why hasnt a military group gone in to wipe them out
So should we provide you some phone numbers to various service recruiters?
And to answer your last question, this isn't really about why hasn't the military gone in to wipe ISIS out but more so why haven't various governments decided to use military actions against ISIS. Military only operates at the direction of the civilians governments. So why haven't anyone decided to use military actions against ISIS?
so isis has americans in the group? where do they reside, syria? just curious about this group and if it doesnt seem like many people why hasnt a military group gone in to wipe them out
IS has volunteers from around the world, including the US and western Europe. The territory they control includes large chunks of southern Syria and western Iraq. None of the local armed forces, except for Israel who of course is not going to get involved, haven proven competent enough to defeat IS forces. The Kurdish peshmerga has been able to hold them off so far but they are much more lightly armed than IS.
But who had Saddam in check? Depending on whose reports you believe he and his sons were good for anywhere from 10k to 25k (not necessarily beheaded) per year.
one of the most interesting things in history - in their tactics, methods, organization, tolerance, benevolence/brutality, just everything.
I'm all for the Ilkhanate over these guys.
Completely off topic from ISIS, but if you're ever interested, I highly recommend Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford. Link - ( New Window )
they've substituted bruality for political acumen or purpose, and it's a move we haven't seen in about 75 years. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
they've substituted bruality for political acumen or purpose, and it's a move we haven't seen in about 75 years. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
thinks it is a good idea to leave the US or the UK and go to some sandy shit hole and fight against us?
There's little to no upside, and you are almost certain to get killed at some point.
What could possibly be the allure?
I'm sure there is some psychological cause to why foreigners choose to be radicalized, go off to far off shitholes to kill people they have never met for reasons they don't even fully understand, and are willing to die doing it. While many are from migrant communities with ties to Islam, some were raised in your normal American or British families.
It's time to equip and train the Kurds to do some damage
I know those kinds of moves are typically followed by some after effects that are undesirable, but these fucknuts are savages and really have to go, pronto.
They know that America killing Muslims is their best recruiting tool.
And as long as some pols and pundits publicly call out our leaders for being "weak" if they don't respond, chances are they'll get a response.
So to some degree ISIS will succeed in dictating American policy. Since events inevitably dictate policy, that's probably unavoidable -- but probably not good.
RE: It's time to equip and train the Kurds to do some damage
I know those kinds of moves are typically followed by some after effects that are undesirable, but these fucknuts are savages and really have to go, pronto.
the problem with this who knows if they are with us or against us... that territory is all kinds of fucked.
Eric Hoffer's The True Believer remains the best treatise on the
the problem with this who knows if they are with us or against us... that territory is all kinds of fucked.
I think you can do far worse than aligning with the Kurds. It's their desire for independence that has been the big hurdle for our increased involvement with them and not so much because we can't trust them.
The "New Poor" are the most likely source of converts for mass movements, for they recall their former wealth with resentment and blame others for their current misfortune. Examples include the mass evictions of relatively prosperous tenants during the English Civil War of the 1600s; or the middle- and working-classes in Germany who passionately supported Hitler in the 1930s after suffering years of economic hardship. In contrast, the "abjectly poor" on the verge of starvation make unlikely true believers as their daily struggle for existence takes preeminence over any other concern.[5]
Racial and religious minorities, particularly those only partly assimilated into mainstream culture, are also found in mass movements. Those who live traditionalist lifestyles tend to be content, but the partially assimilated feel alienated from both their forbearers and the mainstream culture. (E.g., "The orthodox Jew is less frustrated than the emancipated Jew".[6])
A variety of what Hoffer terms "misfits" are also found in mass movements. Examples include "chronically bored"; the physically disabled or perpetually ill; the talentless; and criminals or "sinners". In all cases, Hoffer argues, these people feel as if their individual lives are meaningless and worthless.[7]
Have we reached the point when Turkey and Iran is more distressed by the IS than they are by Kurdish independence? I think that's likely the case in Turkey, given how they have negotiated an end to hostilities with the PKK in the past couple of years and have begun to accept Kurds into the Turkish political process.
I think this is what was running through Bush the older's mind when he decided not to run up the highway to Bagdad in Operation Desert Storm.
I've always had a lot of respect for that man. He knew what was waiting for the region if he removed Sadam from power. Now we are seeing the outcome he must have envisioned.
Has been the terrorist capital for years. ...
time to eliminate them now...especially
since Russia was their protector and they
are ocupied now elsewhere...perfect time
for strike...also would send warning to
iran and others..
probably one of our safest bets. Based upon my experience in Iraq, they are a known entity and we could do much worse. I know that's not a glowing endorsement, but it's the best we've got. Every day we delay substantive action against ISIS is just another day they grow stronger and more formidible. The time to act is NOW!
Has been the terrorist capital for years. ...
time to eliminate them now...especially
since Russia was their protector and they
are ocupied now elsewhere...perfect time
for strike...also would send warning to
iran and others..
Ah...so instead of going after ISIS...we do a misdirection and go after Syria? That's definitely an outside of the box thinking that shows your brilliance!
capone - you owe animals an apology
what do you mean?
as for these lowest pieces of shit, its only a matter of time before they get to visit their god. Napalm the area... But this is what they want... they want us there. On the floor and fighting them in their grounds.
so isis has americans in the group? where do they reside, syria? just curious about this group and if it doesnt seem like many people why hasnt a military group gone in to wipe them out
Unfortunately, you're likely to have to wait a long time for that one.
If only there were a modern-day version of Hulagu Khan. Now there was a man who knew how to dispatch the so-called caliphate.
So should we provide you some phone numbers to various service recruiters?
And to answer your last question, this isn't really about why hasn't the military gone in to wipe ISIS out but more so why haven't various governments decided to use military actions against ISIS. Military only operates at the direction of the civilians governments. So why haven't anyone decided to use military actions against ISIS?
these people are savages.
If only there were a modern-day version of Hulagu Khan. Now there was a man who knew how to dispatch the so-called caliphate.
I especially enjoyed reading about how he wiped out the Assassins...now that was a complete asskicking.
so isis has americans in the group? where do they reside, syria? just curious about this group and if it doesnt seem like many people why hasnt a military group gone in to wipe them out
IS has volunteers from around the world, including the US and western Europe. The territory they control includes large chunks of southern Syria and western Iraq. None of the local armed forces, except for Israel who of course is not going to get involved, haven proven competent enough to defeat IS forces. The Kurdish peshmerga has been able to hold them off so far but they are much more lightly armed than IS.
Foreign fighters in ISIS - ( New Window )
I'm all for the Ilkhanate over these guys.
But who had Saddam in check? Depending on whose reports you believe he and his sons were good for anywhere from 10k to 25k (not necessarily beheaded) per year.
I'm all for the Ilkhanate over these guys.
Completely off topic from ISIS, but if you're ever interested, I highly recommend Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World by Jack Weatherford.
Link - ( New Window )
I wish there was no reason for this ISIS thread.
British/Kurdish counter-terror specialist Bafel Talabani talked to Sky News about the situation in Iraq, the Kurdish people, and the war on terror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NNZIfaxH0A
A captured ISIS suicide bomber talked to a reporter (also from Sky News) from his hospital bed:
http://news.sky.com/story/1327867/captured-is-suicide-bomber-reveals-threat
Couldn't agree more.
There's little to no upside, and you are almost certain to get killed at some point.
What could possibly be the allure?
The thing is with ISIS is their end game; world domination. Seriously. There's no negotiating with that.
This isn't a rationale actor with understandable if undesirable aims (at least to us) maneuvering for a bigger piece of the pie.
When you have the US, Assad, Russia, Iran working together against you, that says something.
There's little to no upside, and you are almost certain to get killed at some point.
What could possibly be the allure?
I'm sure there is some psychological cause to why foreigners choose to be radicalized, go off to far off shitholes to kill people they have never met for reasons they don't even fully understand, and are willing to die doing it. While many are from migrant communities with ties to Islam, some were raised in your normal American or British families.
And as long as some pols and pundits publicly call out our leaders for being "weak" if they don't respond, chances are they'll get a response.
So to some degree ISIS will succeed in dictating American policy. Since events inevitably dictate policy, that's probably unavoidable -- but probably not good.
the problem with this who knows if they are with us or against us... that territory is all kinds of fucked.
Link - ( New Window )
I think you can do far worse than aligning with the Kurds. It's their desire for independence that has been the big hurdle for our increased involvement with them and not so much because we can't trust them.
Racial and religious minorities, particularly those only partly assimilated into mainstream culture, are also found in mass movements. Those who live traditionalist lifestyles tend to be content, but the partially assimilated feel alienated from both their forbearers and the mainstream culture. (E.g., "The orthodox Jew is less frustrated than the emancipated Jew".[6])
A variety of what Hoffer terms "misfits" are also found in mass movements. Examples include "chronically bored"; the physically disabled or perpetually ill; the talentless; and criminals or "sinners". In all cases, Hoffer argues, these people feel as if their individual lives are meaningless and worthless.[7]
Link - ( New Window )
I think this is what was running through Bush the older's mind when he decided not to run up the highway to Bagdad in Operation Desert Storm.
I've always had a lot of respect for that man. He knew what was waiting for the region if he removed Sadam from power. Now we are seeing the outcome he must have envisioned.
time to eliminate them now...especially
since Russia was their protector and they
are ocupied now elsewhere...perfect time
for strike...also would send warning to
iran and others..
time to eliminate them now...especially
since Russia was their protector and they
are ocupied now elsewhere...perfect time
for strike...also would send warning to
iran and others..
Ah...so instead of going after ISIS...we do a misdirection and go after Syria? That's definitely an outside of the box thinking that shows your brilliance!
I wish there was no reason for this ISIS thread.
British/Kurdish counter-terror specialist Bafel Talabani talked to Sky News about the situation in Iraq, the Kurdish people, and the war on terror:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NNZIfaxH0A
A captured ISIS suicide bomber talked to a reporter (also from Sky News) from his hospital bed:
http://news.sky.com/story/1327867/captured-is-suicide-bomber-reveals-threat
Anyone who is on the fence about helping the Kurds needs to watch that first video. He's an excellent spokesman.