How bad really are the Giants

Better than your grammar, I hope.

Let me add a ' ;) ' , so you know I was kidding.

I've never been known for my excellence in essay writing that's for sure. I have a tendency to get things backwards. However, when it comes to lyric writing that's a different story.

is entitled to his opinion and i'm entitled to not listen to him.

they look bad

But I would wait for a few real games before coming to a conclusion

I hope it is the backbone but I don't see a great defense. I see potentially great players but not the sum you would expect. I hope I'm wrong.

I wasn't really looking to listen to him he just happened to pop up on the midday show so I felt compelled to listen. Joe Beningo was surprised at McNabb's take and let him know in no uncertain terms that it was an interesting statement to say the least. Joe commented in such a manor as to let McNabb know he was not too sure he even remotely agreed with his take on Eli.

the def has looked OK at best so far in practice games

no better no worse than any other team.

Season starts next week. Frankly who knows. Did they really not show anything on purpose? It seems unlikely. But until they don't play well when the bullets fly, who are we to say otherwise.

My concern is that the offense won't hold the ball long enough to give the defense a rest and the accelerated offense will create a lot more possessions for the other team. As a result, the Giants may be "in" a lot of games until the defense wears down by the 4th quarter.

very good defenses will get you far, all the way in fact. I've said it before and I'll say it again - the performance of this defense will turn on the DE play. Hold up on the run and, more importantly, get QB pressure with just four = very good defense. Do that with the secondary talent they have now.....

suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck!

0-16 here we come. All day baby!

for the season, but not so much for this first game. I'll obviously be ecstatic if we come out with a win. Hopefully we'll see all this offense that the team has been holding back.

Serious question. Because alot of the potential in this team is tied the +/- stat. Like all teams obviously. So is there anything that predicts Eli and the Giants will necessarily be a turnover machine? Last years stats? Preseason stats?

Unless there is something with predictive power, its hard to care what anyone says.

Find out Monday.

... Redskins and Cowboys look to be in a similar shape to us and maybe if the Eagles come back to earth (Nick Folds can't repeat his 2013 season numbers, right?) we can compete for the NFC East title.

As noted by others, we need the Defense to keep us in some of these early games until new offense finds its sea-legs. If defense doesn't play well early...we might be in some trouble.

Are the Giants really any less talented overall than Phi, Was, Dal, TB, Atl, Car, STL, AZ, Det, GB, Chi, Min

Dal, Atl, Chi, Det, GB and MN are going to struggle mightily on defense. Phi & Was are not good on D. AZ, StL, TB & Car are going to struggle on offense.

Sea and SF are the 2 best teams. NO will win 7 or 8 at home - they get GB, Bal, Cin & SF all at home

Everyone but a few have major questions on 1 side of the ball

Run the football, play good defence and limit turnovers. That will keep us in games and win most until the passing game and Eli click in (if that ever happens). We will be competitive if we do the first three and a Super Bowl contender if we accomplish the last.

If Nick Foles puts up another monster season...

running game strong enough to mask a potentially bad passing game to a point where a good (but likely not great) defense can carry them.

Reality check: They aren't going to. It's not 1990 anymore, where that football is "easily" attainable. The Giants do not have a Seahawks' quality defense right now. They do not have prime Adrian Peterson or the Texans' run game from a few years ago lining up.

In comment 11837814 Riggies said:

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running game strong enough to mask a potentially bad passing game to a point where a good (but likely not great) defense can carry them. Reality check: They aren't going to. It's not 1990 anymore, where that football is "easily" attainable. The Giants do not have a Seahawks' quality defense right now. They do not have prime Adrian Peterson or the Texans' run game from a few years ago lining up.

How do you know they don't??

... the Giants will be in the hunt for the division.

I agree with the fact that if the D line can get pressure on its own that the D could be special. Perry can draw up stuff that gets picks, but he seems weak at creating pass pressure.

The Defense is going to have a big game Monday night.

It's possible we do as well on offense as the Eagles did last season with their overhaul. It's possible our defense improves a bit over last year's.

In any case, once ODB gets back to 100%, I expect good things. Cruz will be freed to slice up the backfield. Until then, we will probably be just OK.

I don't see a bad team, just unknown.
That's why predicting an 8-8 finish is the safe bet.

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I agree with the fact that if the D line can get pressure on its own that the D could be special. Perry can draw up stuff that gets picks, but he seems weak at creating pass pressure.

Until now, Fewell hasn't had any credible guys that could successfully blitz. I think we do now.

Before it was only really Rolle.

and if they can have some success throwing the ball, the running game will a;so do well. They ran the ball well in pre season, but the passing game was just horrid!

and I'm afraid those who are, will be in for a big disappointment. Over the past 2-3 years the Giants have strengthened the interior of the D and therefore should (hopefully) be strong against the run (which in my books is ALWAYS goal #1). And they strengthened the back 7, no doubt. But, I think they are going to really struggle - and I mean big time - with a pass rush. And, if you can't rush the passer, you can have all world corners and the worst QB in the league is going to burn you bad. Real bad.

I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see where the sacks or pressures are going to come from (unless the Giants suddenly start blitzing big time this year).

You can tell he's working on his fundamentals and in this offense it appears that the QBs feet tell him where to throw the ball. His throws have been funkier then usual in pre-season and I'm sure it can be contributed primarily to that. I'm most concerned about Eli, his fundamentals and decision-making early on in the season. I'm sure this offensive scheme will be fine, but if Eli doesn't ever get comfortable with his fundamentals this year, it will be a long one!

AND GOES UNDEFEATED 5 STRAIGHT GAMES MUST HAVE SOME TALENT, IT WILL BE A WAIT SEE IF THAT TALENT IMPROVES IN PERFORMANCE

In comment 11837916 Frank ' Harrisburg said:

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AND GOES UNDEFEATED 5 STRAIGHT GAMES MUST HAVE SOME TALENT, IT WILL BE A WAIT SEE IF THAT TALENT IMPROVES IN PERFORMANCE

huh? What team went undefeated?

You can't possibly mean preseason games. They are scrimmages. It's a pure gimmick for fans that they even keep score. They are NOT real games and W/L records in preseason have literally zero value (maybe HOW a team looks has some value, but even that is questionable).

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You can tell he's working on his fundamentals and in this offense it appears that the QBs feet tell him where to throw the ball. His throws have been funkier then usual in pre-season and I'm sure it can be contributed primarily to that. I'm most concerned about Eli, his fundamentals and decision-making early on in the season. I'm sure this offensive scheme will be fine, but if Eli doesn't ever get comfortable with his fundamentals this year, it will be a long one!

It all comes down to the OL.

... maybe, I hope it was a talent issue. Overall I think we will have a strong D this year. With consistent pass pressure the sky will be the limit.

average to worse.

the OL is terrible, the D-line cannot get pressure on anyone, the LBers are a joke besides beason, the RB's are mediocre at best and the WR's are TBD.

6 - 10. most of the wins in the division, which is also weak.

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... maybe, I hope it was a talent issue. Overall I think we will have a strong D this year. With consistent pass pressure the sky will be the limit.

You are right, rocco. Even with a great secondary we know that receivers can always get open if given enough time. The pass rush has to be at least decent for our solid secondary to do their job. I think the pass rush sans Tuck, with Kiwi, JPP & Moore should be able to generate some pressure. Our DTs are also pretty good at collapsing the pocket. Time will tell...

.. this hoopla around the shit play in practical can games. I can not bring myself to worry about Eli.

Build even a functioning offense around him and the Giants have a shot in any game.

D is going to be better too.

practice games

all this pessimistic bullcrap. You are all very clever indeed. But some of us will wait to see them on the field, and have more trust in our two time SB MVP, and the vigorous reorganizing of Giants mgt.

-- and very good overall. Just because Tuck is gone doesn't mean the passrish left with him. Moore could be a big player and the interior should be adequate. Kiwi is average... So is ayers. JPP and Moore from a nice duo that many teams would kill for.

Just because Osi and tuck aren't here doesn't mean the pass rush will suck. Some of the young defenders on this trsm actually have flashed serious potential.

Last year the Giants kinda played around with the stat tracker a little bit,came up with something in which they were ranked highly,and than ran with it.Started telling everybody we're a top 10 defense.Now people think they can carry the team,but I don't see it.

Takes more than just a secondary and Jason Pierre Paul to have that kind of defense.

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-- and very good overall. Just because Tuck is gone doesn't mean the passrish left with him.

Tuck is/was shot. I expect a new infuse of talent with Moore/Hankins and hopefully a healthy JPP will improve the pass rush a bit.

Thought they would be great and lose 6 in a row. ..
now they feel average...and win 5 PS GAMES...
I feel if we can win 2 or 3 of the 1st 4 games
by a fg until we get in sync...we will win 10
to 12 games. ..if we lose 2 or 3 we panic and its
over

I think they could be a notch better than that. The D has talented people in all three units. Just for an example I hear Ayers is average. Really? Average for a #4 DE? No, he isn't. For a #4 DE he's as good if not better than any #4 DE in the league. What does that say about the other 3 DE? I'll let the "Ayers is average" guys figure that out. Hankins is a load at DT abd they have talent for a solid rotation. Beason and Williams at LB is a very good if not excellent 1, 2 punch for a 4-3 unit. The DB need no hype. Folks don't think that's good enough. I'd disagree.

is fairly easy, on paper.....

So if somehow, we are 4-5, 5-4, there is a shot.....

But I don't think they achieve 4-5 or 5-4......7-9.....no playoffs again.....that OL will be the downfall.....

The season goes through Eli, no? How can you not be worried about which Eli we get this year?

And, like NcNabb said, if Eli doesn't have a season much better than last year than he's done as a Giant. The Giants aren't going to give him a big contract extension and they're not going to pay him the $17 million that his current contract calls for in its last year.

has fewer problems than the offense has, #1 being a couple question marks at DE: can JPP play well? Can Moore or Kiwi be decent? If yes, I think the Giants will be an above average defense, great defense if JPP returns to greatness and Moore or Kiwi or both play well.

Offense obviously has more issues:
O line questionable at absolute best
WRs not named Cruz not looking good
Add learning a new offensive system and there are quite a few ifs for them to overcome to be competitive.

Pessimistic 7-9
optimistic 9-7

The team is installing a new O, which is going to be a work-in-process until they are fully comfortable with it and use to it. The O-line is still a major question mark as we don't know what we have; plus they haven’t jelled. Our new toy is on the sideline with a bad hammy. There were a lot of holes after last year, many were filled, but you can only do so much in one offseason.

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ANY TEAM THAT DOES NOT PLAY WELL Frank ' Harrisburg : 9/2/2014 6:55 pm : link : reply AND GOES UNDEFEATED 5 STRAIGHT GAMES MUST HAVE SOME TALENT, IT WILL BE A WAIT SEE IF THAT TALENT IMPROVES IN PERFORMANCE

But some historically bad teams had excellent preseasons. The Browns several years ago ended up at or near the bottom of the league and had an undefeated preseason. It means jack squat, especially when the majority of the wins came with guys not on the current roster.

the Lions going 4-0(2009?) in pre-season and 0-16 during the regular season

it seems as if there's been a shift to dumping the ball quicker which negates pass rushes to some extent. Maybe this is a fundamental shift for the Giants as well, move that money back into the secondary, strengthen the interior DL (losing Joseph sucked without a doubt but I have faith in Hankins and think the sum of the parts there may be stronger). Take those quick passing offenses and make it harder for them to quickly dump it off because you'll have better coverage in the back 7?

McNabb was pretty much spot on. I do expect Eli to excel this year and the Giants to win the division and, hopefully more. Although it wasn't all his fault, Eli had an atrocious year! He took too many hits which do shorten your carreer and have you looking over your shoulder from a survival instinct! Go Eli, Go Giants!In comment 11837696 GP said:

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Better than your grammar, I hope.

to go from top to bottom in a few months it is Donovan, so I'd be inclined to listen to him on this one.

Just kidding, fuck him.