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Giants working to Sign Adam Snyder

Strahan91 : 9/2/2014 8:37 pm
@MikeGarafolo: Giants working to sign OG Adam Snyder, formerly of the Niners, source says. Reps to be had with Geoff Schwartz sidelined.
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From what I can find  
Pete in VA : 9/2/2014 10:20 pm : link
in a Google search, and reading articles coming out of SF and Arizona, he's played reasonably well when he's played guard, but has been horrible as a tackle. I don't see him replacing Brewer or Brown. I see him backing up at guard until Schwartz is back. He's a decent run blocker, but below average as a pass blocker. Right guard appears to be his best position. Schwartz is probably going on short term IR to make room.
Do  
Mr. Nickels : 9/2/2014 10:28 pm : link
we have to wait until after week 1
he's  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2014 10:35 pm : link
versatile but on the decline. The Cardinals cut him after a 1-year stint in 2012. And the 49ers just cut him too.
Mr. Nickels  
Pete in VA : 9/2/2014 10:37 pm : link
We can sign him now, but he'll get his $$ for the whole year. After week one, he wouldn't be guaranteed that.
Snyder  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2014 10:42 pm : link
signed a 5-year year deal with the Cardinals with a $3 million signing bonus and they cut him a year later, a move that kind of tells you he's near the end.
make  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2014 10:42 pm : link
that a $5 million signing bonus
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2014 10:45 pm : link
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The Snyder signing was curious from the start. He came to the Cardinals after a subpar 2011 season with the San Francisco 49ers, who were eager to upgrade at the position themselves. Snyder struggled both in the passing and rushing game for the Cardinals. We're sure Jim Harbaugh wasn't surprised.


But the 49ers did re-sign him to a 2-year deal before cutting him.
Adam Snyder cut by Arizona Cardinals after one year - ( New Window )
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2014 10:48 pm : link
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Snyder struggled in his first season with the Cardinals, first dealing with a nagging elbow injury, and playing poorly. Whether that injury affected him much has not been said, but he was considered by almost all fans as the weakest link on the offensive line (once D'Anthony Batiste was replaced in the starting lineup by Nate Potter) that allowed 58 sacks on the season.

His versatility and association with the successful San Francisco 49ers offensive line were likely big reasons why the Cardinals liked him in free agency. However, he was, even in San Fran, considered the weakest link there, which is why the Niners let him go.

According to Pro Football Focus, he was the fourth worst rated guard in the league. He earned a negative rating in 10 of the 14 games he played.

His versatility, though, came in handy late in the season. The only position on the line he had not played previously was center. When both Lyle Sendlein and Rich Ohrnberger suffered season-ending injuries, Snyder stepped in and started the final three games at center.

Arizona Cardinals release guard Adam Snyder - ( New Window )
Ok let's get  
RetroJint : 9/2/2014 11:09 pm : link
lectured again about how much value you have to place in a player being in the entire off-season program. Doesn't mean jack if you think the new guy is better. Snyder is a miserable player. That is what I like about him. He ain't heaven but I think he's on par with Schwartzie, who is also kinda like a Niners guard. They're not pretty.
Super Ron Johnson  
Blackbeard : 9/2/2014 11:18 pm : link
R.I.P.

The best seem to die first.
This isn't a bad signing  
The_Taxman : 9/2/2014 11:46 pm : link
As a depth guy, Snyder is better than Brewer, Brown, and Reynolds. And he's just as good as Jerry. It's at minimum addition by subtraction. You have to think Brewer or Brown are gone with this signing. I'd keep Reynolds since he can play C. I don't think Schwartz will be IR'd-designated to return. The Giants probably hope Geoff will be back in 4 to 5 weeks. So I think the OL will look like this:
Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Mosley-Pugh

Jerry, Snyder, Brown, Reynolds, Schwartz.

That's not horrible. I think this line has potential if Beatty plays like he did a couple years ago. I think Richburg next to him will help him do that.

When Herman's suspension is over, I think Brown or Reynolds is gone.
Taxman  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/2/2014 11:49 pm : link
if he was the weak link on a terrible Cardinals line two years ago, I'm not sure how he helps us.
Flashback to the late 80's?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 9/2/2014 11:49 pm : link
Adam Scheiber?
I agree  
Anakim : 9/2/2014 11:58 pm : link
Why not wait until next Tuesday to sign him so his contract isn't fully guaranteed?
The contract will tell us a lot about his expected role.  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/3/2014 12:39 am : link
If the Giants wait until week 2 to sign Snyder, and/or his deal qualifies for cap relief, we can assume he's basically quality depth, and figures to be an upgrade over the ninth or tenth OL on the current roster. That would make a lot of us more comfortable than the current bench.

If they sign him before the opener, and he gets much more than a one-year, veteran-minimum deal, the team may actually see him as a stopgap starter, which would be worrisome.

Since Tuesday is also the first day they can designate Schwartz for return, the OL situation should become a bit clearer in the coming hours.
Anakim: If he's going to be the seventh man or higher on the OL...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/3/2014 12:42 am : link
...waiting until Week 2 is probably penny-wise and pound- foolish - especially if his cap hit is already reduced by the Minimum Salary Benefit. A guy that high on the depth chart is likely to be around for most of the season anyway.
Gotta love Reese's bargain box signing..  
prdave73 : 9/3/2014 3:29 am : link
And we wonder why the Giants oline is in the situation it is now.. Smh...
prdave73: The Giants' offensive line woes...  
Big Blue Blogger : 9/3/2014 4:58 am : link
...have very little to do with stopgap veteran backups like Locklear and Snyder. A lot of issues have contributed to the problem, but that's a minor factor at worst.
I suspect  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 7:09 am : link
he get signed after Game 1..However they work it out, I wouldn't spend a second worrying about it
Such is the state of our...  
M.S. : 9/3/2014 7:20 am : link
...o-line.
this speaks to how bad the OL situation is  
Matt in SGS : 9/3/2014 7:21 am : link
it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.
RE: this speaks to how bad the OL situation is  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 7:35 am : link
In comment 11838360 Matt in SGS said:
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it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.


Hey Matt..I'll wait and see before judging how bad or good this OL can be..Pre-season told me squat, given the unfamiliarity at this point..We can't address everything when you're dealing with the 53..Reese screwed up the S position in 2010, admitted his mistake and rectified it..He's now trying to address the OL that grew old and injury prone seemingly at once..Pugh last year, Richburg this year..
Snyder  
stretch234 : 9/3/2014 7:37 am : link
Jerry is a better player and 5 years younger. At his age, there is zero chance he is a back up LT. He is an interior player who is better than Reynolds and Brewer on the inside and is a depth guy until Schwartz is healthy
How dare the Giants...  
rptl530 : 9/3/2014 7:40 am : link
attempt to upgrade a position of perceived weakness.

They made their bed, they should lay in it.
Sounds  
AcidTest : 9/3/2014 7:52 am : link
like "versatility" rules again over talent. The 49ers let him go, and then the Cardinals, with a weak line, cut him after one year, and after giving him a $3M signing bonus. No thanks.

Sy had a list of veteran guards and tackles a few days ago. Is Snyder really better than any of those?
Speaks volumes about the lack of talent on the OL  
Rick in Dallas : 9/3/2014 8:02 am : link
Could be another long year watching Eli run for his life on passing downs.
RE: Speaks volumes about the lack of talent on the OL  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 8:30 am : link
In comment 11838422 Rick in Dallas said:
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Could be another long year watching Eli run for his life on passing downs.


Doesn't speak to ANYTHING other than Schwartz has to be replaced for now..Depth, no more
Adam Snyder  
Jimmy Googs : 9/3/2014 8:37 am : link
In comment 11838223 Eric from BBI said:
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According to Pro Football Focus, he (Snyder) was the fourth worst rated guard in the league. He earned a negative rating in 10 of the 14 games he played.



Sounds like he'll fit right in...
" the versatility to play several positions badly" that's just  
gtt350 : 9/3/2014 8:50 am : link
beautiful
Not too excited about this move  
nyynyg : 9/3/2014 8:59 am : link
If only that I wanted to hope that Giants themselves had more faith in the line heading into game 1. A move like this says otherwise and that our concerns from pre-season are most likely well founded.
If he's better  
old man : 9/3/2014 9:33 am : link
than any or all of our bottom 3 OL reserves, he upgrades our OL crew.
RE: Not too excited about this move  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 9:35 am : link
In comment 11838538 nyynyg said:
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If only that I wanted to hope that Giants themselves had more faith in the line heading into game 1. A move like this says otherwise and that our concerns from pre-season are most likely well founded.


Again, as I stated above, this doesn't speak to ANYTHING other than Schwartz has to be replaced for now..Depth, no more
He fits the mold  
snumber6 : 9/3/2014 9:58 am : link
of the type of cheap veteran player we like having around ... Sure his career is over I believe he was asked to be a full time every down lineman ... probably can't do that ... but his position with us will be the experienced guy who can come in and do some good things when called on for a short period of time ... Look in the past of the guys we signed especially OL ... just two named Andrews I can recall ... We got their last breaths before their bodies totally died on them ...
even if signed..does he even see the field?  
micky : 9/3/2014 9:58 am : link
Reports and etc..is making it look like a bad pickup even for depth.
RE: RE: this speaks to how bad the OL situation is  
Matt in SGS : 9/3/2014 10:01 am : link
In comment 11838378 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 11838360 Matt in SGS said:


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it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.



Hey Matt..I'll wait and see before judging how bad or good this OL can be..Pre-season told me squat, given the unfamiliarity at this point..We can't address everything when you're dealing with the 53..Reese screwed up the S position in 2010, admitted his mistake and rectified it..He's now trying to address the OL that grew old and injury prone seemingly at once..Pugh last year, Richburg this year..


BB,

Reese has been talking about getting young on the offensive line since 2010. Diehl's contract was specifically written to pay him at a left tackle pay grade while he was there and then adjust accordingly when he shifted back to guard. The Giants did that in order to get Beatty into the lineup. Reese didn't ignore the problem in that he did spend draft choices in the middle rounds on Brewer and Mosely, but he also didn't do too much to upgrade the talent. As you said, the past two years with Pugh and Richburg were a step in the right direction. But somewhere in 2011 and 2012, as Diehl and Snee were getting older, they hung too long on the Boothe stopgap, didn't upgrade the talent, Brewer has not progressed, and Beatty regressed before getting hurt.

Ultimately, in my opinion, the fact that the Super Bowl was played in MetLife hurt the Giants development. They wanted to squeeze one more possible championship out of the aging remnants of 2007 and 2011 and look to be the first team that hosted the Super Bowl to play in it. I think the Giants kicked the can down the road a bit on some areas that were worrysome (the offensive line specifically). Hoped get one more productive year out of Diehl and Snee and both, not surprisingly broke down, and there was nothing behind them.

I hope I'm wrong. In the past, when I get down on the team at the start of the season, they have a tendency to go far, and win the Super Bowl. I hate the interior of this line. I think Eli is going to be running for his life, and with a new offense to absorb, we are going to see a whole lot of 3 and outs and misscommunications. But, maybe I'll be wrong and the Giants offense will gel. I think early on it's going to be a struggle, but hopefully Eli doesn't get hurt and we have a repeat of 2013.
Certainly you could be proven right..  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 10:04 am : link
I just truly believe it's gonna take time..Even the vaunted Eagles were 3-5 during their adjustment period before catching fire..TBD
Why  
PaulN : 9/3/2014 10:25 am : link
We did not keep Boothe really is puzzling. I think Reynolds will be the guy that is gone with this signing.
I'm not sure....  
damdevs : 9/3/2014 10:46 am : link
I think this is an organizational failure from top down. Whoever does our OL scouting college and pro, imo, isn't very good. On top of that Flaherty, again imo, hasn't done a great job of developing the OL.

It's a bad combo and it's come to a head here the last couple of years.
RE: Why  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 11838768 PaulN said:
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We did not keep Boothe really is puzzling. I think Reynolds will be the guy that is gone with this signing.


You never know..Khalif Barnes beat him out..Does he become expendable given his contract? Not that it was a huge one
more waste of  
rmonzo : 9/3/2014 10:53 am : link
time by Jerry Reese
I suspect Matt is largely on target here  
JonC : 9/3/2014 10:54 am : link
That said, it would be a challenge for the OL to perform worse than it did in 2013, but it's going to take time to build cohesion, etc. Plugging in some younger, more athletic OGs should help fuel the running game along with two strong RBs with fresh legs and good vision.

Boothe was the quintessential journeyman, his contract reflected exactly that, and it was time to get younger and more athletic.
I don't know what Snyder has left in the tank  
JonC : 9/3/2014 11:02 am : link
but it does indicate they're not content with the OL depth. Reynolds probably gets booted when Herman is off suspension as he showed some growth during camp, will have to see if Brown is the next cut.
Holly shit,  
OldPolack : 9/3/2014 11:06 am : link
the Mara's visited the Salvation Armies bargain basement.
What's "The Story JERRY"?
every so often moves like this work out  
Dave M : 9/3/2014 11:08 am : link
Locklear and Lomas Brown come to mind.
at this point, we got what we got  
Paulie Walnuts : 9/3/2014 11:08 am : link
so if we get snyder and he can help this year, sign him

front office comments dont help right now, although I agree with a lot of the posters, our scouting operation has declined
"the versatility to play several positions badly" that's just  
Jimmy Googs : 9/3/2014 11:10 am : link
In comment 11838517 gtt350 said:
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beautiful


gtt - they stole that line from James Brewer's writeup...
Guarantee Flaherty gone after this season  
Hunter : 9/3/2014 11:28 am : link
Gmen go Oline in the 1st
what this site has become...  
KingBlue : 9/3/2014 11:59 am : link
My God... what a bunch of whiny little bitches some of you are. So they picked up depth on the interior... WTF is the problem?
RE: what this site has become...  
BigBlueBuff : 9/3/2014 12:08 pm : link
In comment 11838973 KingBlue said:
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My God... what a bunch of whiny little bitches some of you are.

This.
He's a rental.  
Klaatu : 9/3/2014 12:19 pm : link
With Schwartz going to short-term IR and Mosley's back giving him trouble, they need another body. With any luck, he'll never see the field.
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