Old players, physically weak, easily manhandled. Our line isn't pathetic enough. Don't give any young, strong aggressive players a chance. A guy like this knows his assignments. We are not going to win a game. A GAME.
name personally for me. It is the same name as a student and track athlete that I had. He was a West Point graduate and a Captain in the United States Army who was killed in action in Iraq in December 2007.
Has played every position on the line and hasn't missed many games in his career. This is probably akin to brining back Diehl from a few years ago - he's no spring chicken and has some physical flaws but he'll at least know what he's doing.
I wouldn't be surprised if the compensating move is Schwartz to IR-Designated to Return.
Is a depth move and possible roster flexibility move. Pending his versatility and Browns readiness, it could mean brewer waived and Schwartz to short term IR. That frees one more spot for another player.
Adam Snyder - G - Free Agent
FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports the Giants are "working to sign" free agent OG Adam Snyder.
Snyder was released by the 49ers on Saturday. The 32-year-old has made 87 career starts, but has generally been bad for the past half-decade. With LG Geoff Schwartz (toe) sidelined, the Giants are looking for quality depth. Snyder would be nothing more than that as a versatile interior lineman.
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Old players, physically weak, easily manhandled. Our line isn't pathetic enough. Don't give any young, strong aggressive players a chance. A guy like this knows his assignments. We are not going to win a game. A GAME.
Will you go the fuck away as soon as we do win a game? You suck.
An aging vet looking for one last ride into the sunset. We're supposed to be discarding, not collecting, these guys. Shows you how bad the OL is right not. If they get rid of someone, it could be Brewer, but my guess is that it's Brown. If so, it could be addition by subtraction, at least a little bit.
in a Google search, and reading articles coming out of SF and Arizona, he's played reasonably well when he's played guard, but has been horrible as a tackle. I don't see him replacing Brewer or Brown. I see him backing up at guard until Schwartz is back. He's a decent run blocker, but below average as a pass blocker. Right guard appears to be his best position. Schwartz is probably going on short term IR to make room.
signed a 5-year year deal with the Cardinals with a $3 million signing bonus and they cut him a year later, a move that kind of tells you he's near the end.
The Snyder signing was curious from the start. He came to the Cardinals after a subpar 2011 season with the San Francisco 49ers, who were eager to upgrade at the position themselves. Snyder struggled both in the passing and rushing game for the Cardinals. We're sure Jim Harbaugh wasn't surprised.
Snyder struggled in his first season with the Cardinals, first dealing with a nagging elbow injury, and playing poorly. Whether that injury affected him much has not been said, but he was considered by almost all fans as the weakest link on the offensive line (once D'Anthony Batiste was replaced in the starting lineup by Nate Potter) that allowed 58 sacks on the season.
His versatility and association with the successful San Francisco 49ers offensive line were likely big reasons why the Cardinals liked him in free agency. However, he was, even in San Fran, considered the weakest link there, which is why the Niners let him go.
According to Pro Football Focus, he was the fourth worst rated guard in the league. He earned a negative rating in 10 of the 14 games he played.
His versatility, though, came in handy late in the season. The only position on the line he had not played previously was center. When both Lyle Sendlein and Rich Ohrnberger suffered season-ending injuries, Snyder stepped in and started the final three games at center.
lectured again about how much value you have to place in a player being in the entire off-season program. Doesn't mean jack if you think the new guy is better. Snyder is a miserable player. That is what I like about him. He ain't heaven but I think he's on par with Schwartzie, who is also kinda like a Niners guard. They're not pretty.
As a depth guy, Snyder is better than Brewer, Brown, and Reynolds. And he's just as good as Jerry. It's at minimum addition by subtraction. You have to think Brewer or Brown are gone with this signing. I'd keep Reynolds since he can play C. I don't think Schwartz will be IR'd-designated to return. The Giants probably hope Geoff will be back in 4 to 5 weeks. So I think the OL will look like this:
Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Mosley-Pugh
Jerry, Snyder, Brown, Reynolds, Schwartz.
That's not horrible. I think this line has potential if Beatty plays like he did a couple years ago. I think Richburg next to him will help him do that.
When Herman's suspension is over, I think Brown or Reynolds is gone.
If the Giants wait until week 2 to sign Snyder, and/or his deal qualifies for cap relief, we can assume he's basically quality depth, and figures to be an upgrade over the ninth or tenth OL on the current roster. That would make a lot of us more comfortable than the current bench.
If they sign him before the opener, and he gets much more than a one-year, veteran-minimum deal, the team may actually see him as a stopgap starter, which would be worrisome.
Since Tuesday is also the first day they can designate Schwartz for return, the OL situation should become a bit clearer in the coming hours.
Anakim: If he's going to be the seventh man or higher on the OL...
...waiting until Week 2 is probably penny-wise and pound- foolish - especially if his cap hit is already reduced by the Minimum Salary Benefit. A guy that high on the depth chart is likely to be around for most of the season anyway.
...have very little to do with stopgap veteran backups like Locklear and Snyder. A lot of issues have contributed to the problem, but that's a minor factor at worst.
it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.
it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.
Hey Matt..I'll wait and see before judging how bad or good this OL can be..Pre-season told me squat, given the unfamiliarity at this point..We can't address everything when you're dealing with the 53..Reese screwed up the S position in 2010, admitted his mistake and rectified it..He's now trying to address the OL that grew old and injury prone seemingly at once..Pugh last year, Richburg this year..
Jerry is a better player and 5 years younger. At his age, there is zero chance he is a back up LT. He is an interior player who is better than Reynolds and Brewer on the inside and is a depth guy until Schwartz is healthy
like "versatility" rules again over talent. The 49ers let him go, and then the Cardinals, with a weak line, cut him after one year, and after giving him a $3M signing bonus. No thanks.
Sy had a list of veteran guards and tackles a few days ago. Is Snyder really better than any of those?
According to Pro Football Focus, he (Snyder) was the fourth worst rated guard in the league. He earned a negative rating in 10 of the 14 games he played.
Sounds like he'll fit right in...
" the versatility to play several positions badly" that's just
If only that I wanted to hope that Giants themselves had more faith in the line heading into game 1. A move like this says otherwise and that our concerns from pre-season are most likely well founded.
If only that I wanted to hope that Giants themselves had more faith in the line heading into game 1. A move like this says otherwise and that our concerns from pre-season are most likely well founded.
Again, as I stated above, this doesn't speak to ANYTHING other than Schwartz has to be replaced for now..Depth, no more
of the type of cheap veteran player we like having around ... Sure his career is over I believe he was asked to be a full time every down lineman ... probably can't do that ... but his position with us will be the experienced guy who can come in and do some good things when called on for a short period of time ... Look in the past of the guys we signed especially OL ... just two named Andrews I can recall ... We got their last breaths before their bodies totally died on them ...
it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.
Hey Matt..I'll wait and see before judging how bad or good this OL can be..Pre-season told me squat, given the unfamiliarity at this point..We can't address everything when you're dealing with the 53..Reese screwed up the S position in 2010, admitted his mistake and rectified it..He's now trying to address the OL that grew old and injury prone seemingly at once..Pugh last year, Richburg this year..
BB,
Reese has been talking about getting young on the offensive line since 2010. Diehl's contract was specifically written to pay him at a left tackle pay grade while he was there and then adjust accordingly when he shifted back to guard. The Giants did that in order to get Beatty into the lineup. Reese didn't ignore the problem in that he did spend draft choices in the middle rounds on Brewer and Mosely, but he also didn't do too much to upgrade the talent. As you said, the past two years with Pugh and Richburg were a step in the right direction. But somewhere in 2011 and 2012, as Diehl and Snee were getting older, they hung too long on the Boothe stopgap, didn't upgrade the talent, Brewer has not progressed, and Beatty regressed before getting hurt.
Ultimately, in my opinion, the fact that the Super Bowl was played in MetLife hurt the Giants development. They wanted to squeeze one more possible championship out of the aging remnants of 2007 and 2011 and look to be the first team that hosted the Super Bowl to play in it. I think the Giants kicked the can down the road a bit on some areas that were worrysome (the offensive line specifically). Hoped get one more productive year out of Diehl and Snee and both, not surprisingly broke down, and there was nothing behind them.
I hope I'm wrong. In the past, when I get down on the team at the start of the season, they have a tendency to go far, and win the Super Bowl. I hate the interior of this line. I think Eli is going to be running for his life, and with a new offense to absorb, we are going to see a whole lot of 3 and outs and misscommunications. But, maybe I'll be wrong and the Giants offense will gel. I think early on it's going to be a struggle, but hopefully Eli doesn't get hurt and we have a repeat of 2013.
I think this is an organizational failure from top down. Whoever does our OL scouting college and pro, imo, isn't very good. On top of that Flaherty, again imo, hasn't done a great job of developing the OL.
It's a bad combo and it's come to a head here the last couple of years.
That said, it would be a challenge for the OL to perform worse than it did in 2013, but it's going to take time to build cohesion, etc. Plugging in some younger, more athletic OGs should help fuel the running game along with two strong RBs with fresh legs and good vision.
Boothe was the quintessential journeyman, his contract reflected exactly that, and it was time to get younger and more athletic.
but it does indicate they're not content with the OL depth. Reynolds probably gets booted when Herman is off suspension as he showed some growth during camp, will have to see if Brown is the next cut.
Snyder would only be eligible to be on the active roster, obviously.
Snyder would only be eligible to be on the active roster, obviously.
Hopefully bye bye Reynolds
Dont get excited yet...Reese negotiating
Can confirm a report from @MikeGarafolo. The #Giants are on the verge of singing versatile G/T Adam Snyder.
I wouldn't be surprised if the compensating move is Schwartz to IR-Designated to Return.
FOX Sports' Mike Garafolo reports the Giants are "working to sign" free agent OG Adam Snyder.
Snyder was released by the 49ers on Saturday. The 32-year-old has made 87 career starts, but has generally been bad for the past half-decade. With LG Geoff Schwartz (toe) sidelined, the Giants are looking for quality depth. Snyder would be nothing more than that as a versatile interior lineman.
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Can he walk? Stand up? Move laterally?
A looney up in the nuthouse in Togus
Will you go the fuck away as soon as we do win a game? You suck.
The Snyder signing was curious from the start. He came to the Cardinals after a subpar 2011 season with the San Francisco 49ers, who were eager to upgrade at the position themselves. Snyder struggled both in the passing and rushing game for the Cardinals. We're sure Jim Harbaugh wasn't surprised.
But the 49ers did re-sign him to a 2-year deal before cutting him.
Adam Snyder cut by Arizona Cardinals after one year - ( New Window )
Snyder struggled in his first season with the Cardinals, first dealing with a nagging elbow injury, and playing poorly. Whether that injury affected him much has not been said, but he was considered by almost all fans as the weakest link on the offensive line (once D'Anthony Batiste was replaced in the starting lineup by Nate Potter) that allowed 58 sacks on the season.
His versatility and association with the successful San Francisco 49ers offensive line were likely big reasons why the Cardinals liked him in free agency. However, he was, even in San Fran, considered the weakest link there, which is why the Niners let him go.
According to Pro Football Focus, he was the fourth worst rated guard in the league. He earned a negative rating in 10 of the 14 games he played.
His versatility, though, came in handy late in the season. The only position on the line he had not played previously was center. When both Lyle Sendlein and Rich Ohrnberger suffered season-ending injuries, Snyder stepped in and started the final three games at center.
Arizona Cardinals release guard Adam Snyder - ( New Window )
The best seem to die first.
Beatty-Richburg-Walton-Mosley-Pugh
Jerry, Snyder, Brown, Reynolds, Schwartz.
That's not horrible. I think this line has potential if Beatty plays like he did a couple years ago. I think Richburg next to him will help him do that.
When Herman's suspension is over, I think Brown or Reynolds is gone.
If they sign him before the opener, and he gets much more than a one-year, veteran-minimum deal, the team may actually see him as a stopgap starter, which would be worrisome.
Since Tuesday is also the first day they can designate Schwartz for return, the OL situation should become a bit clearer in the coming hours.
Hey Matt..I'll wait and see before judging how bad or good this OL can be..Pre-season told me squat, given the unfamiliarity at this point..We can't address everything when you're dealing with the 53..Reese screwed up the S position in 2010, admitted his mistake and rectified it..He's now trying to address the OL that grew old and injury prone seemingly at once..Pugh last year, Richburg this year..
They made their bed, they should lay in it.
Sy had a list of veteran guards and tackles a few days ago. Is Snyder really better than any of those?
Doesn't speak to ANYTHING other than Schwartz has to be replaced for now..Depth, no more
According to Pro Football Focus, he (Snyder) was the fourth worst rated guard in the league. He earned a negative rating in 10 of the 14 games he played.
Sounds like he'll fit right in...
Again, as I stated above, this doesn't speak to ANYTHING other than Schwartz has to be replaced for now..Depth, no more
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it's one thing to have a Richie Seubert as depth who can play multiple positions well, or even Diehl 5 years ago. This sounds like a guy who has the versatility to play several positions badly, rather than just one.
Hey Matt..I'll wait and see before judging how bad or good this OL can be..Pre-season told me squat, given the unfamiliarity at this point..We can't address everything when you're dealing with the 53..Reese screwed up the S position in 2010, admitted his mistake and rectified it..He's now trying to address the OL that grew old and injury prone seemingly at once..Pugh last year, Richburg this year..
BB,
Reese has been talking about getting young on the offensive line since 2010. Diehl's contract was specifically written to pay him at a left tackle pay grade while he was there and then adjust accordingly when he shifted back to guard. The Giants did that in order to get Beatty into the lineup. Reese didn't ignore the problem in that he did spend draft choices in the middle rounds on Brewer and Mosely, but he also didn't do too much to upgrade the talent. As you said, the past two years with Pugh and Richburg were a step in the right direction. But somewhere in 2011 and 2012, as Diehl and Snee were getting older, they hung too long on the Boothe stopgap, didn't upgrade the talent, Brewer has not progressed, and Beatty regressed before getting hurt.
Ultimately, in my opinion, the fact that the Super Bowl was played in MetLife hurt the Giants development. They wanted to squeeze one more possible championship out of the aging remnants of 2007 and 2011 and look to be the first team that hosted the Super Bowl to play in it. I think the Giants kicked the can down the road a bit on some areas that were worrysome (the offensive line specifically). Hoped get one more productive year out of Diehl and Snee and both, not surprisingly broke down, and there was nothing behind them.
I hope I'm wrong. In the past, when I get down on the team at the start of the season, they have a tendency to go far, and win the Super Bowl. I hate the interior of this line. I think Eli is going to be running for his life, and with a new offense to absorb, we are going to see a whole lot of 3 and outs and misscommunications. But, maybe I'll be wrong and the Giants offense will gel. I think early on it's going to be a struggle, but hopefully Eli doesn't get hurt and we have a repeat of 2013.
It's a bad combo and it's come to a head here the last couple of years.
You never know..Khalif Barnes beat him out..Does he become expendable given his contract? Not that it was a huge one
Boothe was the quintessential journeyman, his contract reflected exactly that, and it was time to get younger and more athletic.
What's "The Story JERRY"?
front office comments dont help right now, although I agree with a lot of the posters, our scouting operation has declined
gtt - they stole that line from James Brewer's writeup...
This.