Dave Diehl is co-hosting this morning, so there was some good Giants talk. A caller said that Eli didn't seem to be a good fit for the new offense, and mentioned the shortage of quality WR's with Beckam not being able to get on the field. Diehl went thruogh the whole spiel about the offensive line taking time to gel, but then brought up that Eli is 11th all time in 4th quarter comebacks for a reason, because the up tempo offense gives him the ability to call plays/audible at the line, and that Eli is at his best when he is up tempo and reacting to the defense, and doing things with cadence to get them to show their hand. Said we're going to see more of that this year. It actually made me feel better about the offense, because I feel like the one drive that we've seen this pre-season was exactly that, so hopefully that's an actual glimpse of what the offense will look like over other stuff we've seen.
Papa then moved on to the recievers. Basically blamed Randle for all of the miscommunications. Said that Tom Coughlin was "sick and tired" of hearing "I saw one thing and he saw another" in the meeting room. He said Randle's miscommunication on third down was the "worst play of the game".
He said you always see Eli and Randle on the sideline pointing and talking, and one's gesturing one way, and the other is gesturing the other... Mentioned you never see him doing that with Cruz.
Said this is Randle's third year and it shouldn't be happening anymore.
Why can't they just do that. He runs his route no matter what and take the read out.
Why can't they just do that. He runs his route no matter what and take the read out.
Because with an uptempo offense they need to be able to adjust at the line, be on the same page, and see the same things.
All NFL teams use sight adjustments to some extent, that wasn't unique to Gilbride/Coughlin's offense. That's a basic thing he needs to be able to do.
At some point, it may be better to just send him deep every play so there is no mis-communication :)
I'm souring on Randle pretty fast. He's got to get it together. I still love his ability.. but the mistakes have to stop.
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seems to have problems understanding or executing the right downfield moves in sync with ELI and the route plan. Notice Peyton always has WRs who can perform those functions regardless of their physical skill sets. This is obviously lost on Reese and Ross when they draft a lot of these guys.
I seem to recall Eric saying something about hearing rumors that Toomer was "dumb as dirt."
Well we all know that after a few season, Toomer righted his ship and became a very productive WR. The most productive WR in Giants history in fact.
My point is that it is too soon to give up on Randle, who comes to the team with several similarities to Toomer.
Both were second round picks from big schools, where they both relied FAR more on their physical gifts than polished techniques to succeed at the college level. Both started out fielding punts early in their careers. Both guys struggled early as starters.
Sure, it would be best if everything clicked for Randle THIS year, but if it doesn't, it doesn't mean you give up on him. At some point, Beckham will get on the field, and either push Randle to do better and keep his job, or Beckham will take it from him, and the problem will work itself out that way.
Randle does not which is disappointing because he is talented.
I seem to recall Eric saying something about hearing rumors that Toomer was "dumb as dirt."
Well we all know that after a few season, Toomer righted his ship and became a very productive WR. The most productive WR in Giants history in fact.
My point is that it is too soon to give up on Randle, who comes to the team with several similarities to Toomer.
Both were second round picks from big schools, where they both relied FAR more on their physical gifts than polished techniques to succeed at the college level. Both started out fielding punts early in their careers. Both guys struggled early as starters.
Sure, it would be best if everything clicked for Randle THIS year, but if it doesn't, it doesn't mean you give up on him. At some point, Beckham will get on the field, and either push Randle to do better and keep his job, or Beckham will take it from him, and the problem will work itself out that way.
This is a good post, especially the last part. Unfortunately, he's the best option we've got right now.
Not alot you can do. Either play him the way he can play, or get rid of him. It would be very irresponsible to continue to expect him to more. If Randle fucks up on game day, some of the blame should be on McAdoo/Coughlin for not seeing this coming.
Not alot you can do. Either play him the way he can play, or get rid of him. It would be very irresponsible to continue to expect him to more. If Randle fucks up on game day, some of the blame should be on McAdoo/Coughlin for not seeing this coming.
Wouldn't drafting Beckam with the 12th overall pick indicate some forsight on their part?
You wanna compare him to Cruz? Cruz is 28 and had to work his ass off just to get into the league. He's a more mature player.
Randle has no excuses, IMO, he has a top notch QB. I can't imagine Peyton putting up with this B.S.
But every time a young guy struggles, we can't just say "well, it happened to Toomer"
Toomer was a unique case. I remember back in like 97 (I think it was 97) there were these stories about how Toomer wasn't even beating out linebackers in sprints and looked tired, slow and just completely not right.
I hope Randle goes on to have something even close to Toomers.. but his focus is what really concerns me.
Randle has no excuses, IMO, he has a top notch QB. I can't imagine Peyton putting up with this B.S.
I didn't make the point in regards to Toomer, but I don't disagree.
and stress the importance of it.
Lol.
Sometimes he says things we, as fans, don't want to hear, but that doesn't make him wrong.
Randle is a straight up DUMBASS who will never get it. The sooner they replace him, the better off they'll be.
Sometimes he says things we, as fans, don't want to hear, but that doesn't make him wrong.
Of course it does. So now you're wrong.
Sometimes he says things we, as fans, don't want to hear, but that doesn't make him wrong.
I think he's by far the best analyst - he just comes across as a smarmy douche sometimes.
You can see it in some of the preseason games this year where both Eli and his position coach are talking to him after one of the "miscommunications" and he is literally looking away..
He is really an enigma and they really need him to get his act together..
When OB gets healthy RR is going to full the push to perform.
Randle may be a dumbass but it is all on him now. Either he wants it or he doesn't...real simple. It's been said over and over...they are in the production business.
But I generally think Collinsworthless is one of the worst color guys because he just never stops talking. He's no Dan Dierdork, who I think is probably the worst color guy (who had serious staying power on the air) over the 40 years I've been watching the NFL. Deirdork talked too much, and he was a fucking idiot. Collinsworthless is at least a smart guy. He has a ways to go before he's on the Dierdork plane, but I think he sucks still the same.