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Bob Papa just hammered Reuben Randle on the Opening Drive

Britt in VA : 9/3/2014 8:38 am
Dave Diehl is co-hosting this morning, so there was some good Giants talk. A caller said that Eli didn't seem to be a good fit for the new offense, and mentioned the shortage of quality WR's with Beckam not being able to get on the field. Diehl went thruogh the whole spiel about the offensive line taking time to gel, but then brought up that Eli is 11th all time in 4th quarter comebacks for a reason, because the up tempo offense gives him the ability to call plays/audible at the line, and that Eli is at his best when he is up tempo and reacting to the defense, and doing things with cadence to get them to show their hand. Said we're going to see more of that this year. It actually made me feel better about the offense, because I feel like the one drive that we've seen this pre-season was exactly that, so hopefully that's an actual glimpse of what the offense will look like over other stuff we've seen.

Papa then moved on to the recievers. Basically blamed Randle for all of the miscommunications. Said that Tom Coughlin was "sick and tired" of hearing "I saw one thing and he saw another" in the meeting room. He said Randle's miscommunication on third down was the "worst play of the game".

He said you always see Eli and Randle on the sideline pointing and talking, and one's gesturing one way, and the other is gesturing the other... Mentioned you never see him doing that with Cruz.

Said this is Randle's third year and it shouldn't be happening anymore.
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Thanks for posting, Britt.  
BrettNYG10 : 9/3/2014 8:40 am : link
I was really high on Randle. Hopefully this shit doesn't carry over to the regular season.
I thought one of the benefits of this offense would be to  
Greg from LI : 9/3/2014 8:42 am : link
greatly reduce the numbers of times that kind of thing happens. I guess I didn't account for the Randle's-an-idiot factor.
Pretty clear to me  
trueblueinpw : 9/3/2014 8:44 am : link
That RR isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. But, the coaches gotta find a way to get through to him. He has physical ability, he just doesn't seem to understand the play book.
It is his third year  
Blue Blood : 9/3/2014 8:45 am : link
but its a new offense.. with new terminology.. He is going to have to put in extra time to get it right..
With Randle  
DavidinBMNY : 9/3/2014 8:46 am : link
Can they just simplify it further. Meaning just do 1 thing and that's it. Down & out? 7 yd slant?

Why can't they just do that. He runs his route no matter what and take the read out.
He's  
Krisqo : 9/3/2014 8:46 am : link
probably got a month to show he's past the mental errors. If not hopefully they can unload him for a late pick or something. It sucks that guys like Jernigan and Washington probably aren't as talented or have his pedigree, but at this point we just need someone to run the right routes.
Greg, yeah, Diehl and Papa said that was the point of the new offense,  
Britt in VA : 9/3/2014 8:46 am : link
which sort of led to the rant.
Drafting Ruben Randle  
CromartiesKid21 : 9/3/2014 8:47 am : link
has set back Eli's statistics, credentials about 2 years not to mention his reputation
RE: With Randle  
Britt in VA : 9/3/2014 8:47 am : link
In comment 11838500 DavidinBMNY said:
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Can they just simplify it further. Meaning just do 1 thing and that's it. Down & out? 7 yd slant?

Why can't they just do that. He runs his route no matter what and take the read out.


Because with an uptempo offense they need to be able to adjust at the line, be on the same page, and see the same things.

All NFL teams use sight adjustments to some extent, that wasn't unique to Gilbride/Coughlin's offense. That's a basic thing he needs to be able to do.
I heard they're redoing Randall's playbook  
Bill in UT : 9/3/2014 8:49 am : link
in crayon
Put me in coach.  
Curtis in VA : 9/3/2014 8:49 am : link
Randle's  
Bill in UT : 9/3/2014 8:50 am : link
also
Randle not getting much love on BBI these days....  
Jimmy Googs : 9/3/2014 8:51 am : link
I hope he begins to turn it on as well.

At some point, it may be better to just send him deep every play so there is no mis-communication :)
Help us, Odell Beckham! You're our only hope!  
Greg from LI : 9/3/2014 8:53 am : link
I don't think I have been as frustrated with a Giants player  
Essex : 9/3/2014 8:54 am : link
as I am with Randle in a long, long time. Remember how Giants fans used to complain about MM running too close to the sideline--man would I love to have those problems again. Randle's inability to learn the playbook and be on the same page as the qb has cost us pick sixes, drives being stalled, etc. The "b" word is becoming a reality with him.
Ha, his new nickname is OB1  
Curtis in VA : 9/3/2014 8:54 am : link
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I thought the whole idea of the new offense was to  
Wuphat : 9/3/2014 8:57 am : link
eliminate the hot reads and thus the "I saw one thing, he saw another" bullshit.

RE: Ha, his new nickname is OB1  
ANGPASS : 9/3/2014 8:58 am : link
Totally agree, if he is good. but if he sucks, his name will be OB trice.
#nflready  
arcarsenal : 9/3/2014 9:00 am : link
#allyearbaby

I'm souring on Randle pretty fast. He's got to get it together. I still love his ability.. but the mistakes have to stop.
Re: Randle  
TMS : 9/3/2014 9:03 am : link
Randle like Manningham (and others in the past)
TMS : 9/2/2014 9:20 am : link : reply
seems to have problems understanding or executing the right downfield moves in sync with ELI and the route plan. Notice Peyton always has WRs who can perform those functions regardless of their physical skill sets. This is obviously lost on Reese and Ross when they draft a lot of these guys.
MM is starting to look like Einstein  
dangerousrappingfrog : 9/3/2014 9:06 am : link
compared to RR.
I seem to remember  
David B. : 9/3/2014 9:07 am : link
That Amani Toomer's first few seasons at WR were really spotty because he couldn't grasp the mental aspects of the position at the pro level. And this was Dan Reeve's give-the-ball-to-Rodney Hampton-every-first-and-second down offense, no less.

I seem to recall Eric saying something about hearing rumors that Toomer was "dumb as dirt."

Well we all know that after a few season, Toomer righted his ship and became a very productive WR. The most productive WR in Giants history in fact.

My point is that it is too soon to give up on Randle, who comes to the team with several similarities to Toomer.

Both were second round picks from big schools, where they both relied FAR more on their physical gifts than polished techniques to succeed at the college level. Both started out fielding punts early in their careers. Both guys struggled early as starters.

Sure, it would be best if everything clicked for Randle THIS year, but if it doesn't, it doesn't mean you give up on him. At some point, Beckham will get on the field, and either push Randle to do better and keep his job, or Beckham will take it from him, and the problem will work itself out that way.




At what point do we realize that Randle  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/3/2014 9:08 am : link
is just not very smart. He doesn't work hard enough or study hard enough...I think Cruz has been successful because he does all these things plus he has football smarts.

Randle does not which is disappointing because he is talented.
RE: I seem to remember  
Britt in VA : 9/3/2014 9:09 am : link
In comment 11838559 David B. said:
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That Amani Toomer's first few seasons at WR were really spotty because he couldn't grasp the mental aspects of the position at the pro level. And this was Dan Reeve's give-the-ball-to-Rodney Hampton-every-first-and-second down offense, no less.

I seem to recall Eric saying something about hearing rumors that Toomer was "dumb as dirt."

Well we all know that after a few season, Toomer righted his ship and became a very productive WR. The most productive WR in Giants history in fact.

My point is that it is too soon to give up on Randle, who comes to the team with several similarities to Toomer.

Both were second round picks from big schools, where they both relied FAR more on their physical gifts than polished techniques to succeed at the college level. Both started out fielding punts early in their careers. Both guys struggled early as starters.

Sure, it would be best if everything clicked for Randle THIS year, but if it doesn't, it doesn't mean you give up on him. At some point, Beckham will get on the field, and either push Randle to do better and keep his job, or Beckham will take it from him, and the problem will work itself out that way.





This is a good post, especially the last part. Unfortunately, he's the best option we've got right now.
Reminds me of Shockey  
WideRight : 9/3/2014 9:10 am : link
Can look good doing what he can do, but can't really play the game at the highest level because of intelligence.

Not alot you can do. Either play him the way he can play, or get rid of him. It would be very irresponsible to continue to expect him to more. If Randle fucks up on game day, some of the blame should be on McAdoo/Coughlin for not seeing this coming.
RE: Reminds me of Shockey  
Britt in VA : 9/3/2014 9:12 am : link
In comment 11838572 WideRight said:
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Can look good doing what he can do, but can't really play the game at the highest level because of intelligence.

Not alot you can do. Either play him the way he can play, or get rid of him. It would be very irresponsible to continue to expect him to more. If Randle fucks up on game day, some of the blame should be on McAdoo/Coughlin for not seeing this coming.


Wouldn't drafting Beckam with the 12th overall pick indicate some forsight on their part?
Too bad.  
Big Blue '56 : 9/3/2014 9:13 am : link
Let's continue to hope
Britt couldn't agree more  
Vin R : 9/3/2014 9:17 am : link
I feel like the drive before halftime against the Jets was a glimpse of the offense will be seeing. As for Randle, he better get it together quick because if the Giants strike gold twice with Cory then he is in big trouble
He's only 23 years old  
David B. : 9/3/2014 9:19 am : link
Not that it's an excuse, but it's at least understandable. No one is done cooking at 23.

You wanna compare him to Cruz? Cruz is 28 and had to work his ass off just to get into the league. He's a more mature player.
Britt...you do make a good point and I also recall  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/3/2014 9:29 am : link
the slow development of Toomer. However, one caveat...Toomer did not exactly have even fair quarterbacks to work with in his first few years (Danny Kanell, Kent Graham) until Kerry Collins came along. Then he started to show something because he actually had a guy who could throw the ball. So was that the reason for his slow development or was it that he was not that smart? I suspect it was the former.

Randle has no excuses, IMO, he has a top notch QB. I can't imagine Peyton putting up with this B.S.
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arcarsenal : 9/3/2014 9:33 am : link
It's absolutely too soon to "give up" on Randle.

But every time a young guy struggles, we can't just say "well, it happened to Toomer"

Toomer was a unique case. I remember back in like 97 (I think it was 97) there were these stories about how Toomer wasn't even beating out linebackers in sprints and looked tired, slow and just completely not right.

I hope Randle goes on to have something even close to Toomers.. but his focus is what really concerns me.
RE: Britt...you do make a good point and I also recall  
Britt in VA : 9/3/2014 9:35 am : link
In comment 11838620 MikeN in Ottawa said:
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the slow development of Toomer. However, one caveat...Toomer did not exactly have even fair quarterbacks to work with in his first few years (Danny Kanell, Kent Graham) until Kerry Collins came along. Then he started to show something because he actually had a guy who could throw the ball. So was that the reason for his slow development or was it that he was not that smart? I suspect it was the former.

Randle has no excuses, IMO, he has a top notch QB. I can't imagine Peyton putting up with this B.S.


I didn't make the point in regards to Toomer, but I don't disagree.
I agree with arc  
Greg from LI : 9/3/2014 9:37 am : link
9 times out of 10, the guy who can't figure out the playbook is going to be out of the league instead of blossoming like Amani Toomer.
Definitely has starting caliber talent.  
BeerFridge : 9/3/2014 9:59 am : link
But if he doesn't stop screwing up, they need to bench him.
was the caller  
crick78 : 9/3/2014 10:02 am : link
HomerJones45? :)
If he's not already in Coughlin's dog house...  
silverfox : 9/3/2014 10:04 am : link
...he soon will be. I'm sure our #1 pick is right up there too even though he still has an excuse.
Remember when...  
Chris in Philly : 9/3/2014 10:07 am : link
all of BBI became enraged over Collinsworth questioning Randle's work habits? I do. Where do you think Collinsworth gets his info from?
Randle needs someone on him 24-7  
MTN-G-man : 9/3/2014 10:11 am : link
Much like a player that gets into trouble and they assign someone to be with him. Randle needs a mentor/tutor. A guy like Toomer to help him improve the mental aspects of his game
and stress the importance of it.
RE: Remember when...  
BrettNYG10 : 9/3/2014 10:12 am : link
In comment 11838734 Chris in Philly said:
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all of BBI became enraged over Collinsworth questioning Randle's work habits? I do. Where do you think Collinsworth gets his info from?


Lol.
Collinsworth gets a bad rap around here for some reason  
Wuphat : 9/3/2014 10:14 am : link
I don't get it, because he's consistently one of the best out there.

Sometimes he says things we, as fans, don't want to hear, but that doesn't make him wrong.
Don't compare Randle to Toomer  
andrew_nyg : 9/3/2014 10:18 am : link
Toomer was an immature clown in the beginning but otherwise intelligent, and insightful, and he went beyond what was asked to improve his craft.

Randle is a straight up DUMBASS who will never get it. The sooner they replace him, the better off they'll be.
RE: Collinsworth gets a bad rap around here for some reason  
vibe4giants : 9/3/2014 10:30 am : link
In comment 11838747 Wuphat said:
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I don't get it, because he's consistently one of the best out there.

Sometimes he says things we, as fans, don't want to hear, but that doesn't make him wrong.


Of course it does. So now you're wrong.
RE: Collinsworth gets a bad rap around here for some reason  
BrettNYG10 : 9/3/2014 10:31 am : link
In comment 11838747 Wuphat said:
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I don't get it, because he's consistently one of the best out there.

Sometimes he says things we, as fans, don't want to hear, but that doesn't make him wrong.


I think he's by far the best analyst - he just comes across as a smarmy douche sometimes.
Randle may be dumb but  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/3/2014 10:34 am : link
What about the guy who grabbed him in Rd 2. A guy of questionable intellect being asked to play in a very intricate O. The O is simplified for WR routes and he still can't get it. Yup. Another high miss.
I don't think it comes down to intelligence  
JCin332 : 9/3/2014 10:35 am : link
with RR it just seems he's lackadaisical and almost oblivious..

You can see it in some of the preseason games this year where both Eli and his position coach are talking to him after one of the "miscommunications" and he is literally looking away..

He is really an enigma and they really need him to get his act together..
comes across as a smarmy douche  
Greg from LI : 9/3/2014 10:37 am : link
because he IS a smarmy douche. Doesn't mean he isn't good at what he does, though.
Time to grow up  
JonC : 9/3/2014 10:42 am : link
His lack of maturity and work ethic have been talked about since the run up to the draft. So far, RR hasn't overcome these shortcomings consistently and the team really needs him to make the leap now.

When OB gets healthy RR is going to full the push to perform.
So we are still running a route tree?  
bradshaw44 : 9/3/2014 10:43 am : link
I thought Macadoo was coming in to dumb things down?
Another example of how talent is important and can get you  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/3/2014 10:44 am : link
so far but if you do not work hard and prepare you will be out of the league very quickly. I suspect, this being his 3rd year, Randle will be gone if he does not display significant improvement this season. in fact, a guy like Washington is showing how hard work can make up for playing at a big school.

Randle may be a dumbass but it is all on him now. Either he wants it or he doesn't...real simple. It's been said over and over...they are in the production business.
Collinsworthless...  
trueblueinpw : 9/3/2014 10:45 am : link
My problem with Collinsworthless is that he *never* stops talking. I mean, the guy just goes on and on and on...for the whole broadcast and during the plays. I think its a huge problem with almost all the NFL booth crews, they think they need to talk all the time. But, Collinsworthless just *never* shuts his freaking pie hole. Having said that, he does seem to do his homework.

But I generally think Collinsworthless is one of the worst color guys because he just never stops talking. He's no Dan Dierdork, who I think is probably the worst color guy (who had serious staying power on the air) over the 40 years I've been watching the NFL. Deirdork talked too much, and he was a fucking idiot. Collinsworthless is at least a smart guy. He has a ways to go before he's on the Dierdork plane, but I think he sucks still the same.
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