terrible, on the downward slope of his career, inaccurate, has happy feet, etc.
OK, maybe all his critics are right BUT of his 27 INTs, 15 came in the first 6 games and later on against the Seahawks, the SB champs, he threw 5 INTs. So, 7 games accounted for 20 INTs while in the other 9 games, he threw 7 INTS- against the Broncos and Seahawks, the SB teams, he threw 9 INTs.
So, with a crappy OL, (Beatty playing terribly before he was hurt, terrible play at C, Diehl at RG and a rookie at RT), Darell Scott and Andre Brown at RB (Wilson hurt, Jacobs playing on his last legs and Hillis off the street), Nicks playing like John Hicks (for you Giants old-timers) and Randle playing in a fog; and Brandon Myers playing like a fish out of water, Eli throws 5 INTS in 9 games.
Which Eli do we see in 2014: the Eli who threw 20 INTs in 7 games or the QB who threw 7 INTs in 9 games? If Odell doesn't play, then it's a wash vs Nicks, who really didn't play; much better RBs; a wash at TE with Myers vs Nobody; and a better OL, although marginally. The wild card, of course, is a new OC, new system, different pass routes and timing and, IMO, the worst of all: new footwork.
How well he adjusts to McAdoo's system will IMO determine whether he's the 27 INT Eli or a 12 INT Eli.
But if I'm remembering correctly, out of those 15 INT's in the first 6 games, 7 or 8 were on Randle targets.
I'm not saying that to beat a dead horse, but I legitimately remember it being discussed last year during that timeframe.
Given a good offensive line and decent WR's, I'd say this new offense will give us lower INT's. But we don't have that so now I don't know what will happen.
Personally, I think we'll start the season wobbly, but finish strong.
All I ask is that we're in the hunt still in late November. Give us a fighting chance.
As a veteran QB with his experience/smarts/pedigree, Eli needs to control himself on the (for lack of a better phrase) stupid throws.
A perfect example of this being a problem that still has yet to be corrected was that preseason throw against the Jets on the sideline that was easily picked.
2012 NY is defending champs and the team is humming along. Enter Andre Brown for a few weeks --the team looks great. BRown gets hurt, the running games goes with him and the team never recovered. 2013 Brown doesn't make it out of camp and 0-6. Enter a slow as shit Hillis and limited Brown and despite their limitations, the Giants find ways to win games because they had at least some semblance of a running game.
IT's all about the running game. When they ran the ball at a somewhat professional level in the 2011-12 postseason they ended up winning another super bowl.
IF they run the ball this season and this team still sucks it will be the first time that ever happened with Eli under center.
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Some teams had as bad of offensive lines and just as crappy receivers as we did
A lot of times we act like our receivers are the only ones that run bad routes and the giants OL is the only line that struggles to pass block
Just to compare family members I think sports science did a thing on Peyton on average he got the ball out of his hands under 2.5 secs on most plays. That deflates a pass rush quickly
Eli needs to take the quick options early and stop trying to hit home runs constantly
It's not all on gillbride
Let's hope that pattern stays true.
I take the good with the bad.
Football...well, and life are complicated things. Thinking that you came up with the universal, simple answer in a wacky world doesn't make you the genius that you thought it would, in most cases. It makes you the dope--thinking that you're a genius.
O-line.
Nicks not playing within any semblance of Nicks that we've ever seen of him.
WR's and Eli on the wrong page (even if some of the fault were Eli's--that's fixable through practice and film study.)
No run game--see Oline.
Eli's a gunslinger. Not a fan of that? He and his two Lombardi's fart in your general direction.
Yep, and somehow this is his 11th year in the league. Makes you wonder how he made it this far.
We'll know a lot more about Eli and Randle, and their future with the team, after this year, maybe even by Halloween.
What was it that Parcells told Simms all those years ago? I was walking out of our locker room when Bill goes, 'Look, if you don't throw at least two interceptions you're not taking enough chances?
- luckiest QB to win the SB
- great OL
- great defense
- great running game
- won despite two lucky throws
Rest of his career.
- throws to many INT
- cant throw screens
- too slow
- too immobile
- inaccurate
Did I miss anything?
Refer to my above post.
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You can only put so much lipstick on that pig
Lipstick doesn't cover stupid either.
Football...well, and life are complicated things. Thinking that you came up with the universal, simple answer in a wacky world doesn't make you the genius that you thought it would, in most cases. It makes you the dope--thinking that you're a genius.
O-line.
Nicks not playing within any semblance of Nicks that we've ever seen of him.
WR's and Eli on the wrong page (even if some of the fault were Eli's--that's fixable through practice and film study.)
No run game--see Oline.
Eli's a gunslinger. Not a fan of that? He and his two Lombardi's fart in your general direction.
You can play the same interception blame fame with every quarterback on every team. Every quarterback faces pressure from a pass rush, every qb has a receiver run a bad route. Eli has lead the league in interceptions for the second tone in his career. It's time to stop making excuses for Eli. He is a wildly inconsistent qb peppered with moments of greatness.
The norm is, both. He's a streaky QB, capable of putting it together and unraveling an entire game on his own. We live by the Eli and die by the Eli.
2012: 26
2011: 29
2010: 31
Pretty scary stuff.
Where Eli has been amazing is in starting 151 consecutive games and whenever he's taken a vicious hit just getting up and jogging back to the huddle.
A lot of foreigners think Eli is wimpy. Couldn't be more wrong.
When the O-Line keeps him clean, like it did against the Packers in the 2011 Division game, he just shredded their secondary. That's why the O-Line was supposed to be the main priority in this offseason, but somehow it wasn't.
- luckiest QB to win the SB
- great OL
- great defense
- great running game
- won despite two lucky throws
Rest of his career.
- throws to many INT
- cant throw screens
- too slow
- too immobile
- inaccurate
Did I miss anything?
That was the dumbest post I've ever seen on any message board in my life. Congrats. I seem to recall Eli playing nearly flawless in 2007 postseason. I also seem to recall in 2011 the Giants were 31st in rushing. That's last for those that have your level of IQ. How good could the offensive line be?? Do you remember the 49ers game? Did you watch Eli take a beating and keep getting up? You should be banned from making any other comments. Be gone!
Eli's future needs to be pegged to making smarter decisions that match up better with his experience/intelligence level. That is what makes him valuable to the team at this point in his career.
And that is how he will win games from this point on...or not.
He does on this site.
Now, if Odell does come on. If TE Robinson can go down the seem and create mis-matches. If Randle is better than many of us think, well, then things change and he'll be very efficient.
I can see a 3700 yard, 25 TD, 9 int type season. Not Probowl but efficient.
Eli has lost arm strength. That is one of the reasons for the interceptions, especially on the sideline throws, which best measure arm strength. System change is not going to make him better. He was in his element in the previous system. This one at best is neutral for him individually. Maybe it will make the unit as a whole more efficient. We will have to see about that.
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In 2007 and 2011
- luckiest QB to win the SB
- great OL
- great defense
- great running game
- won despite two lucky throws
Rest of his career.
- throws to many INT
- cant throw screens
- too slow
- too immobile
- inaccurate
Did I miss anything?
That was the dumbest post I've ever seen on any message board in my life. Congrats. I seem to recall Eli playing nearly flawless in 2007 postseason. I also seem to recall in 2011 the Giants were 31st in rushing. That's last for those that have your level of IQ. How good could the offensive line be?? Do you remember the 49ers game? Did you watch Eli take a beating and keep getting up? You should be banned from making any other comments. Be gone!
Your sarcasm meter must have been turned off last night because it is well known I am the biggest Eli supporter in BBI. All I was doing was mocking the people who shit on him consistently.
- luckiest QB to win the SB
- great OL
- great defense
- great running game
- won despite two lucky throws
Rest of his career.
- throws to many INT
- cant throw screens
- too slow
- too immobile
- inaccurate
Did I miss anything?
- not fiery enough
- slumps shoulder
- weird, awkward faces.
Its sad Eli will be remembered by SOME Giants fans for those 3 things than being the best QB in our history.
I was being sarcastic in my initial post. I should go play some poker, since I am fooling everyone!
Eli's INT on the first play "set the tone for the season"?? At halftime of that game we trailed by 3 points. We pulled within 4 points with 8 minutes left.
It isn't like that one play decimated us or even caused us to lose.
Funny how this is now all Eli's fault when last year, it was Gilbride getting the blame.
You fuckers can't even figure out whom to hang in effigy from week to week.
27 int's, are 27 it's, good for 19th all time in the history of the NFL and the second worst of any season since 2000. If you think commentators are not going to factor that in, you are deluding yourself.
Eli's future needs to be pegged to making smarter decisions that match up better with his experience/intelligence level. That is what makes him valuable to the team at this point in his career.
And that is how he will win games from this point on...or not.
I agree Jimmy. Many of Eli's INTs were because he went into panic mode to "make something happen". He tends to force the ball out (remember the left hand shovel pass?) when the play is clearly over.
He has to calm down when under pressure and throw the ball out of bounds or take the sack.
Its sad when someone like me, who has said some of the dumbest shit ever, feels like BBI is unbearable to read. I may have to owe apologies to guys like Terps and FMiC, because they tried calling me out on shit for years and now I am finally seeing the light.
There are a lot of dumbasses here.
27 int's, are 27 it's, good for 19th all time in the history of the NFL and the second worst of any season since 2000. If you think commentators are not going to factor that in, you are deluding yourself.
Eli was the third most pressured QB last year. The most pressured QB in 2011. But keep ignoring those things while you continue to sound like a complete fucktard.
No worries. A lot of people can recognize that Eli has weaknesses which could lead to worries during the regular season, but we all know what he has meant to the team for over a decade now.