Pendulum Swinging Back To Defense?

lose another SB, Goddell will change the rules to make it that the defense only has 9 players on the field.

In comment 11842102 dep026 said:

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lose another SB, Goddell will change the rules to make it that the defense only has 9 players on the field.

especially P. Manning

It remains to be seen if the 2014 Giants can be effective there.

it was more living on reputation (12th in pts, 17th in yards).

And this 'Hawks D is arguably one of the top groups in NFL history. They're up there with the '85 Bears, '00 Ravens, etc.

championship games?

Been thinking about this too, all the hype's been for the "new NFL" and the "passing league" and all the "read option" stories. Didn't the best offense and best passing team get smoked by the best running team with a ferocious D last Super Bowl?

Greatest show on turf was last team to win with a weaker defense.

Decent offense can control against a middle of road offense.....solid defenses can control any offense.

and Moore keeps coming on AND with an improved secondary, we might become a very solid D..We appear to have the manpower so as TC says, "Let's go!"

I am sure Goodall has been mulling it over how to remove a player or two from defense....saves money on salaries, reduces injuries (since less players) and increases the points scored. sarcasm off

The Hawks are a dominant defense, but they are just so good all around. This team looks to me to be the best we've seen since the 2004 Pats. Carol is going to be the new Belichick, IMO. They execute amazingly well and just seem to be a step ahead. Their offense is not going to get a lot of credit, but they are unbelievably efficient. They scheme extremely well and Harvin and Lynch are huge talents and Wilson executes very very well.

The Hawks are what they are not because they are the best defense, but because they are the best team, top to bottom -offense, defense, STs, coaching, and it is not even close, IMO.

the Seahawks have a uneventful non flashy Defense.
What I mean is the Bears and Ravens seemed to get after you and played mean.
The hawks are just a extremely sound fundamental defense.
They cover and tackle extremely well. I don't think they missed a tackle or had a blown play all night.
I hate Pete Carroll but I think he gets them prepared well.

not so certain pass rushers are key to great defense anymore. Seems corners who can cover, especially a lock down corner might be as or more important. The Hawks were able to roll their coverage away from Sherman all night long putting extra defenders into the only half of the field Rogers would attack.

You have to be able to run the ball and stop the run to win a championship. Those are the foundations of winning, lay those and you have a chance against anyone. The Seahawks ran roughshod over the Packers, controlled the clock and eventually blew the game open. The Packers had the right game plan offensively, they simply couldn't run the ball well enough to maintain it.

a lot of ways you can win. Joey just described the one that always works. It's just more rare these days to find a team that can really run the ball effectively and stop the run.

It might be considered a passing league, but if you do those two things, you're in the thick of it every year.

In comment 11842136 Essex said:

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championship games?

They had a terrific D. When you have a Montana, Rice, Taylor, Craig and Rathman, you're gonna overshadow any D.. But make no mistake, the SF D was elite, imv

They had depth in the front 7 that provided them with what Bill Walsh called the key to winning consistently in the NFL...late game pass rush ability. Tired DL lose you football games, which is one of the reasons they used that 3-4 with the Elephant backer hybrid- much easier to use more people to rush the passer if you have those bigger OLBs that can rush late in the game because they aren't worn down from taking on blockers all day.

Fresh legs in the 4th quarter win a lot of games.

In comment 11842188 JoefromPa said:

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not so certain pass rushers are key to great defense anymore. Seems corners who can cover, especially a lock down corner might be as or more important. The Hawks were able to roll their coverage away from Sherman all night long putting extra defenders into the only half of the field Rogers would attack.

I wouldn't discount pass rush bro.

If you took a look at that game last night, Rodgers at least 8 or 9 times had to make plays on his own just to escape the Seattle rush in order to buy himself an extra second or two. It was amazing Rodgers was able to do what he did just to give them a chance.

If you replaced Rodgers with (fill in immobile QB here) yesterday, that would have been a 10 sack game and the beatdown would have been worse.

I am talking about SF making the last 3 tittle games 11-13

In comment 11842222 Essex said:

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I am talking about SF making the last 3 tittle games 11-13

Lol Essex. I'm thinking of the (almost) threepeat era..:)

It is all about rushing the passer, and really pressuring the QB with as few rushers as possible.

Sea, Bal, Giants all have won because of that. SF can rush the passer. It is incredibly difficult to win without being able to do so

Nothing has changed - little pressure generally means little wins

In comment 11842250 stretch234 said:

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It is all about rushing the passer, and really pressuring the QB with as few rushers as possible. Sea, Bal, Giants all have won because of that. SF can rush the passer. It is incredibly difficult to win without being able to do so Nothing has changed - little pressure generally means little wins

Added to that, bringing a pass rush and having the ability to completely shutdown half of the field because teams are afraid to throw over there because of what might happen, and you have fully dictated the terms of how the game is going to be played.

Some say there is no such thing as a "shutdown corner." But watching last night shows exactly how valuable having one is.

Packers' ability to run the ball faded badly (as did Passpro) when Bulaga went down in the collision with his teammate; the Packers' RT sub for Bulaga looked like one of the Giants' OL candidates; it was no contest after that

Run and stop the run is a good formula, as is having a defense that is well rounded, and not just built on a pass rush (hint, hint): that's a short term formula at best and invites disasters from teams that can scheme and have a versatile offense.

Some rare skepticism from BB'56 on a Giants' player: Bruce, are you saying that JPP was a one-year flash-in-the-pan, that he is not healthy, that he doesn't want it, that it is all of the above?

Jury very much still out on Moore, and our interior DL is a bit thin.

Seattle isn't exactly an offensively challenged team, though.

While defense is certainly their strength, they were 8th in points scored last year and they put plenty on the board last night as well. They put 20+ on the board 15 times last year including each of their playoff games.

He's been meh(compared to 2011) albeit battling injury..He talks alot ..We'll know soon enough..:)

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I've always liked Carroll, seems really smart re. schemes (defensive) and player selection to execute them.

Quite the stat line in the graphic that was shown re. Seattle D:

1st in total yardage allowed
1st in total points allowed
1st in (was it picks/turnovers or pass or run yards allowed?)

1st time since the '85 Bears

it goes without saying you don't discount a pass rush. However, if receivers are running free in the defensive backfield after 2 seconds, your pass rush is rendered ineffective.

Guys like Revis and Sherman, change the game just as much as any great pass rusher.

how easily he was neutralized by a LT, no double team, and several times it was a raw rookie: JPP had an initial push, was stopped, and had no answers (swim/bull rush/duck and under) for what came next; and he often couldn't fight off the block to shut down the outside.

Right now he is a puzzle and a mystery. Those who say that his success in 2011 was enabled by the presssure coming from the rest of the DL could have a point, but it would not be proven by JPP's success (or lack thereof) going one-on-one in the past two seasons. Let's hope it was health and a too much success too soon that went to his head and that he gets his formula back.

to keep scoring high with mitigation of injuries a distant second.

...an awesome display, yet depressing for an older Giants fan. Maybe we can put to rest the ridiculous BBI meme that LBs are not important in a 4-3 defense?

In comment 11842292 JoefromPa said:

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it goes without saying you don't discount a pass rush. However, if receivers are running free in the defensive backfield after 2 seconds, your pass rush is rendered ineffective. Guys like Revis and Sherman, change the game just as much as any great pass rusher.

Only thing there is Seattle's defensive line shortens the clock. Actually, let me reword that...their whole defense shortens the clock.

Unlike any other defense in the league we've seen in years, Seattle has an incredible combination of pass rush, closing speed with their linebackers and covering ability with their secondary that you almost can't just separate one aspect of what they do from the other because they do it all very well.

a \great offenses can make their defense better.....if you can quickly put points on the board, and make your opponent play catch up, you make that offense one dimensional and it makes it easier for your defense, to play defense....

As for the Giant defense, there are a lot of question marks.....

Pass rush....can JPP play as good as his mouth.....can Moore push Kiwi out of the starting lineup? Can Hankins play as well as LJ did? We have some old players in the line that we are counting on.....

Linebacker.....will Beason be football ready, and if not how long will it take? McClain has shown nothing as a MLB, will he be better on the outside? JW has always shown promise, but never produced.....Kennard looks good when compared to Herz and Paysinger....

Can Stevie Brown stay healthy all year? The same for Prince? If Brown goes down, we are not deep at safety, as described.....the same at CB....Thurmond is over rated....Bowman? McBride?

If we don't generate a good pass rush, a good passing team will take this defense apart.....it Perry Fewell's defense.....he can't stop a good passing team.....

we could build if we dumped Eli and went with Nassib on his rookie contract with a loaded roster around him

better at drafting and FA signings in general? They're suddenly going to become best in the NFL after years of being, well, not?

Seems like Thomas got into whatever stash Bradshaw left behind at the facilities today at Giants practice.

this year in a good defense and a good ground game. That enough to compete for Time of Possession style games, and if Manning get works out he kinks in the short passing game we should be good,cause he'll always have that deep strike threat.Defense and a ground game should let us hang around for awhile till the offense comes around, hopefully before next year.