emanating from the NFL over this issue is astounding. am i the only one who thought the video actually makes him come off a bit better, since it contextualizes the assault incident?
if rice were to have hit a shorter, thinner male relative, or male friend for that matter, and that person was knocked out due to then falling and hitting their head on an elevator railing, does he even get suspended? let alone cut?
of course rice exercised poor self-control and it is certainly worth suspending him for 4 games or some such, but both parties were arrested for simple assault, and neither ended up being charged with an actual crime. had he demonstrated a pattern of abusing women prior to this? not to my knowledge.
rothelisberger gets away with multiple rapes and the league barely bats an eye and rice gets into a fight with his girlfriend where he demonstrates a momentary lapse of self-control which results in her falling and banging her head, getting knocked out and he is public enemy no. 1? and forever?
i'm not one to decry political correctness but this smacks of benevolent sexism to me.
This is what I wrote on the other thread before the news came down
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Goodell is image conscious
Matt in SGS : 1:03 pm : link : reply
and Breast Cancer awareness month is in October, when the NFL has made it's pitch on behalf of women. Considering the media firestorm that is underway during the kickoff of the new season, and the way that Goodell saw how the NBA handled Sterling (and now what is going on in Atlanta), I would not at all be surprised if Goodell drops the hammer and suspends him indefinitely. I'd think that the league is currently looking into what legal recourse they have within the CBA to do so. Less than that, the easiest thing would be for the Ravens to release him and the NFL owners basically refuse to sign him. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes right now in damage control.
It appears he has received at least $35 million plus in the last couple of years via a $40 million contract. which paid $17 him million in 2012, probably the same last yr. and some of it this yr.
If he has any brains,which I think he does, his next step should be immediate and concentrated intense therapy.
Very sad situation (for both him and his wife)- down here I guess he had us all fooled- he seemed like such a grounded solid citizen guy. Sociopaths are great at fooling us all (so says my wife an MSW/LCSW.
is how people still think that this is the first that the NFL, Ravens, and/or the police have seen this video. There were reports that the NFL had access to all of the evidence that the police had. There is no way that the police did not have this video immediately after the crime occured.
If I were the investigating officer on the crime scene, the first thing I would ask is if the elevator had a camera and if so, I would get a copy.
What that being said, how Ray Rice only got a 2 game suspension with or without this video, still boggles my mind. No one is disputing whether or not he hit her and knocked her unconscious.
In comment 11847165 MarylandPete said:
[quote] It appears he has received at least $35 million plus in the last couple of years via a $40 million contract. which paid $17 him million in 2012, probably the same last yr. and some of it this yr.
If he has any brains,which I think he does, his next step should be immediate and concentrated intense therapy.
Very sad situation (for both him and his wife)- down here I guess he had us all fooled- he seemed like such a grounded solid citizen guy. Sociopaths are great at fooling us all (so says my wife an MSW/LCSW. [/quote
Theres a psych behavioral term for it actually: "Apparent competency"
The guy would actually be a bad influence on Will Hill
For Rutgers also, they have been using his image and career as a recruiting tool for years, they have his name,jersey's, stats, etc; all over the stadium all that "SHIT" must go IMO
This is the first the NFL has seen of this video. The NFL has a lot of pull, and they're very thorough. It's an absolute joke that they expect the public to believe this line of BS.
The nfl is seeing untold profits under Goodell's stewardship
...football player at New Rochelle High School, and knowing and seeing all that he did over the years for his home community (not to mention what he did for other communities as well, collegiality and professionally)...
and should be suspended for a while. But why is everyone reacting like this is the first guy in the NFL to beat his woman? There have been many other cases where players have beaten their wife/gf and received a one or two game suspension. Not saying that it's the right punishment (should be much more severe), just wondering why everyone is reacting to Rice's case differently than a Brandon Marshall, Michael Boley, Rocky Bernard, etc. Is it shock reaction from seeing the video?
What other repercussions are going to come from this?
This is what I wrote on the other thread before the news came down
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Goodell is image conscious
Matt in SGS : 1:03 pm : link : reply
and Breast Cancer awareness month is in October, when the NFL has made it's pitch on behalf of women. Considering the media firestorm that is underway during the kickoff of the new season, and the way that Goodell saw how the NBA handled Sterling (and now what is going on in Atlanta), I would not at all be surprised if Goodell drops the hammer and suspends him indefinitely. I'd think that the league is currently looking into what legal recourse they have within the CBA to do so. Less than that, the easiest thing would be for the Ravens to release him and the NFL owners basically refuse to sign him. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes right now in damage control.
Just for the record, October is also domestic violence awareness month. My wife worked at a women's shelter for battered women and I've sent numerous petitions to local and state governments, news stations, and large companies/entities (including the NFL). Nobody would even acknowledge receipt of petitions, letters, or requests for some sort of voice. While it's awful that this happened, in a way, I'm glad it was with a high profile player so the media finally decided it was worth talking about.
and should be suspended for a while. But why is everyone reacting like this is the first guy in the NFL to beat his woman? There have been many other cases where players have beaten their wife/gf and received a one or two game suspension. Not saying that it's the right punishment (should be much more severe), just wondering why everyone is reacting to Rice's case differently than a Brandon Marshall, Michael Boley, Rocky Bernard, etc. Is it shock reaction from seeing the video?
Because it's on video, shocking and people have had enough of this shit.
same time. Anyone who thinks they didn't see the video before must be brain dead. The owner of TMZ is basically saying that's a complete lie. Instead of doing the right thing from the get-go or having the guts to stand by their original punishment, they swoop in later with a complete CYA move. The only possible thing the league could say is that what Rice told them and the video showed is completely at odds. But that only works if you're foolish enough to think they didn't see this video. No one ends up looking good in this situation.
I watched the video and it doesn't really add anything to the story for me. He dragged an unconscious person off the elevator... it didn't take mental gymnastics to imagine how she got that way.
It is either one of two possibilities, they did see it or they did a half ass job of investigating. I kind of believe the former, especially after hearing Rachael Nickols point out they interviewed the victim with Ray Rice there.iIt was like they wanted to clear him.
It is so strange that abuse women stay with men who abuse them. Some of it is that the women wrongly believe they don't deserve better, or they believe they could change them. On the outside, it is easy to say how stupid it is to stay.
let's assume that the NFL had access to this video
If Vick can have "redemption" somehow, rice surely will after this. What Vick did was immensely more egregious than this one act by rice disgusting as it is.
I hate to compare evils because they are all horrible, but I don't know that I could agree with Vicks actions being "immensely more egregious"
I take it you've not seen all of the details then. His was a long series of a variety of terrible premeditated sociopathic acts. Rice could be considered an isolated heat of the moment incident.
First of all, I question whether or not this video is truly new to both the Ravens and the league office. Second of all, if it is, I applaud the Ravens.
On the flip side, how does the release of the video change anything? The allegations were that he hit her in the elevator. The video we saw once the elevator doors opened, she was unconscious. So, what did you think happened? Why does the video change anything? Abuse is abuse and he admitted to domestic abuse.
Also, the league since amended its policy on domestic abuse and this indefinite suspension is now in excess of what their new policy defines. This is still an example of inconsistent policy by the league.
call me braindead because I don't think the NFL saw the video prior to making their inital ruling. Maybe I am being naive, but I can't imagine someone sees that video and says "Well 2 games will suffice!" and then move on. I also don't believe the NFL would be silly enough not to think this video might get leaked at some point.
iirc they had no official domestic violence policy. As part of this incident they created one, set a precedent with the rice suspension (that was wrong) saw the video, acknowledged their mistake and corrected it.
As a by-product the NFL create a domestic violence policy that is pioneering in professional sports, 6 games first offense, lifetime ban 2nd.
they reveal this to kick-off breast cancer/domestic violence awareness month in April.
what really happened is irrelevant, what's relevant is how it ended up
if rice were to have hit a shorter, thinner male relative, or male friend for that matter, and that person was knocked out due to then falling and hitting their head on an elevator railing, does he even get suspended? let alone cut?
of course rice exercised poor self-control and it is certainly worth suspending him for 4 games or some such, but both parties were arrested for simple assault, and neither ended up being charged with an actual crime. had he demonstrated a pattern of abusing women prior to this? not to my knowledge.
rothelisberger gets away with multiple rapes and the league barely bats an eye and rice gets into a fight with his girlfriend where he demonstrates a momentary lapse of self-control which results in her falling and banging her head, getting knocked out and he is public enemy no. 1? and forever?
i'm not one to decry political correctness but this smacks of benevolent sexism to me.
CLOWN. Clown college in session with this guy constantly.
This is what I wrote on the other thread before the news came down
Matt in SGS : 1:03 pm : link : reply
and Breast Cancer awareness month is in October, when the NFL has made it's pitch on behalf of women. Considering the media firestorm that is underway during the kickoff of the new season, and the way that Goodell saw how the NBA handled Sterling (and now what is going on in Atlanta), I would not at all be surprised if Goodell drops the hammer and suspends him indefinitely. I'd think that the league is currently looking into what legal recourse they have within the CBA to do so. Less than that, the easiest thing would be for the Ravens to release him and the NFL owners basically refuse to sign him. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes right now in damage control.
You may very well be.
If he has any brains,which I think he does, his next step should be immediate and concentrated intense therapy.
Very sad situation (for both him and his wife)- down here I guess he had us all fooled- he seemed like such a grounded solid citizen guy. Sociopaths are great at fooling us all (so says my wife an MSW/LCSW.
Goodell should grow a mustache and wear a French uniform. If he's going to act like Inspector Renault, he may as well look like him too.
I'm shocked, shocked to find that Ray Rice decked his wife!"
If I were the investigating officer on the crime scene, the first thing I would ask is if the elevator had a camera and if so, I would get a copy.
What that being said, how Ray Rice only got a 2 game suspension with or without this video, still boggles my mind. No one is disputing whether or not he hit her and knocked her unconscious.
Clowns...like in Washington.
[quote] It appears he has received at least $35 million plus in the last couple of years via a $40 million contract. which paid $17 him million in 2012, probably the same last yr. and some of it this yr.
If he has any brains,which I think he does, his next step should be immediate and concentrated intense therapy.
Very sad situation (for both him and his wife)- down here I guess he had us all fooled- he seemed like such a grounded solid citizen guy. Sociopaths are great at fooling us all (so says my wife an MSW/LCSW. [/quote
Theres a psych behavioral term for it actually: "Apparent competency"
If it ends up proven in some way that he had seen the video prior to this release he will have to step down.
WTF? He'll get a bonus because of this!
It is but not that surprising - this is the sport where violence is glorified and celebrated. Some dont know where to draw the line.
The owners won't want him to go anywere.
NO WAY!!!
I'd be more disappointed that the victim of the crime DIDN'T press charges and also MARRIED her attacker. Focus your disappointment on that first.
...this is just such a shocking development.
Really shocking.
Pathetic.
This is what I wrote on the other thread before the news came down
Quote:
Goodell is image conscious
Matt in SGS : 1:03 pm : link : reply
and Breast Cancer awareness month is in October, when the NFL has made it's pitch on behalf of women. Considering the media firestorm that is underway during the kickoff of the new season, and the way that Goodell saw how the NBA handled Sterling (and now what is going on in Atlanta), I would not at all be surprised if Goodell drops the hammer and suspends him indefinitely. I'd think that the league is currently looking into what legal recourse they have within the CBA to do so. Less than that, the easiest thing would be for the Ravens to release him and the NFL owners basically refuse to sign him. Lots of stuff going on behind the scenes right now in damage control.
Just for the record, October is also domestic violence awareness month. My wife worked at a women's shelter for battered women and I've sent numerous petitions to local and state governments, news stations, and large companies/entities (including the NFL). Nobody would even acknowledge receipt of petitions, letters, or requests for some sort of voice. While it's awful that this happened, in a way, I'm glad it was with a high profile player so the media finally decided it was worth talking about.
Because it's on video, shocking and people have had enough of this shit.
I watched the video and it doesn't really add anything to the story for me. He dragged an unconscious person off the elevator... it didn't take mental gymnastics to imagine how she got that way.
Excellent call.
Goddell = Image consious.
Mrs Rice = Unconcious.
Cynicism
I would not be surprised if the NFL orchestrated this by making the video available to TMZ. It effectively gives them a "mulligan".
The Ravens heard the NFL was going to suspend Rice and took "heroic" action ahead of the NFL announcement.
The fact that it came out now and the public is going crazy has forced his release and suspension. That's pretty damning for the league and Goodell.
He's got some dancing to do.
Question now is, what does he do to his wife now?
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If Vick can have "redemption" somehow, rice surely will after this. What Vick did was immensely more egregious than this one act by rice disgusting as it is.
I hate to compare evils because they are all horrible, but I don't know that I could agree with Vicks actions being "immensely more egregious"
I take it you've not seen all of the details then. His was a long series of a variety of terrible premeditated sociopathic acts. Rice could be considered an isolated heat of the moment incident.
On the flip side, how does the release of the video change anything? The allegations were that he hit her in the elevator. The video we saw once the elevator doors opened, she was unconscious. So, what did you think happened? Why does the video change anything? Abuse is abuse and he admitted to domestic abuse.
Also, the league since amended its policy on domestic abuse and this indefinite suspension is now in excess of what their new policy defines. This is still an example of inconsistent policy by the league.
Ray Rice would probably name them "Left Fisty" and "Right Fisty."
iirc they had no official domestic violence policy. As part of this incident they created one, set a precedent with the rice suspension (that was wrong) saw the video, acknowledged their mistake and corrected it.
As a by-product the NFL create a domestic violence policy that is pioneering in professional sports, 6 games first offense, lifetime ban 2nd.
they reveal this to kick-off breast cancer/domestic violence awareness month in April.
what really happened is irrelevant, what's relevant is how it ended up