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Eric from BBI : Admin : 9/9/2014 12:06 am
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RE: Wilson and ODB  
MattHofstra : 9/9/2014 12:50 am : link
In comment 11850467 Sonic Youth said:
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Two first round picks, supposed gamebreakers, picked just two years after eachother, never see the field at the same time. Line was never even adequately addressed.

This is just a sad offense all around. No playmakers, no line.


Wilson was an unfortunate whiff...who knows what could have been there....Randle, an early round pick has been disappointing.....ODB likely wont make an impact until later in the season, if at all

Nicks falling off a cliff for us was really the worst thing of all though
Disagree  
weaverpsu : 9/9/2014 1:01 am : link
Cromartie didn't play poorly at all. No one can cover Calvin Johnson for 7-8 seconds. Also, what is the safety doing on that play??? Not his fault at all. He let up a couple slants and not much else. Perry Fewell is a joke. 3 man rush after D played well to get to 3rd and long and several times we rush 3 and almost every time we rush only 4. It's a joke if we don't finish in top 10 defensively with this personnel unit. Cromartie and Prince are one of the best tandems in the league, u can't ask them to cover a guy for 7 seconds!! Fewell has always been conservative on big downs and that is what Tuck and Rolle complained about in the past. Don't react, take it to them!! Having said that, the offense lost this game not the D
RE: Connor: You left one really big dud off the Dud list-  
weaverpsu : 9/9/2014 1:04 am : link
In comment 11850454 Bobby Epps said:
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Perry Fewell. He was tremendously out-coached by Lombardi.

Supposedly, we have really good cover guys- then why so many zone defenses. It seemed that whenever we were in zone coverage, Stafford hit a pass for very good yardage. Three-man rush- gave Stafford plenty of time to find an open receiver. Poor defensive formations- on Detroit's final TD drive, Stafford had his choice of either of 2 receivers because we were out-manned vs. Detroit's offensive formation.

A stupefyingly bad defensive game plan and bad defensive play-calling by Fewell, or should we call him Perry Futile- futile in his game planning and futile in matching wits with Lombardi.



Agree totally. Saw several times where a LB was lined up on slot receiver. I never liked Fewell, he better fix it soon.
Might as well  
McNally's_Nuts : 9/9/2014 1:09 am : link
had Prince on Calvin Johnson tonight. He was the best player for the Giants on both sides of the ball.
I would add Stevie Brown to the dud list  
BH28 : 9/9/2014 1:34 am : link
Awful in pass coverage. Everyone gave him a pass because the int's but he is out of position a lot. Man I really miss Will Hill already.
Randle doesn't deserve a dud?  
jeff57 : 9/9/2014 1:35 am : link
?
Jeff57  
Daniel in MI : 9/9/2014 4:17 am : link
I agree, where was he. Make a play.
RE: Connor: You left one really big dud off the Dud list-  
Great White Ghost : 9/9/2014 4:18 am : link
In comment 11850454 Bobby Epps said:
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Perry Fewell. He was tremendously out-coached by Lombardi.

Supposedly, we have really good cover guys- then why so many zone defenses. It seemed that whenever we were in zone coverage, Stafford hit a pass for very good yardage. Three-man rush- gave Stafford plenty of time to find an open receiver. Poor defensive formations- on Detroit's final TD drive, Stafford had his choice of either of 2 receivers because we were out-manned vs. Detroit's offensive formation.

A stupefyingly bad defensive game plan and bad defensive play-calling by Fewell, or should we call him Perry Futile- futile in his game planning and futile in matching wits with Lombardi.
that is a great question Bobby, and I wonder the same thing.Perry Futile? Jesus, that's gonna go right up there with Killdrive. Did you just make that up, cause that's gonna be an instant classic if he doesn't adjust, and adjust FAST.
Reese a dud. Shocking news. FO needed to be be gutted  
LauderdaleMatty : 9/9/2014 6:27 am : link
After last year but ownership either is stupid or didn't have the balls to only fire Reese and not the coaching staff. Gilbride was the one who got cut but it was time for a new start. One game isn't a season but the OL has been putrid for 3 years. That Beatty makes close to 8 million says just how bad Reese's judgment is

Eli's streak is going to end this year  
ZogZerg : 9/9/2014 7:42 am : link
No way he can sustain that beating every week.
Perry Fewell  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 9/9/2014 7:54 am : link
No other team in the NFL over the last few years has this many breakdowns in coverage between the CBs and the safeties. Doesn't matter if the corner is Aaron Ross, TT, Prince or DRC, they still leave guys wide open. That's on the coordinator.

And this three-man rush shit has got to end. 3rd down and 10+, there's NO reason to be dropping Cullen Jenkins in coverage. CULLEN JENKINS.
Look at our WRs, offensive line, and TEs  
UberAlias : 9/9/2014 7:59 am : link
And ask your selves where the talent is. I said it in the offseason, my biggest concern was lack of overall talent, and it is obvious.
I am just hoping for a  
Rick5 : 9/9/2014 8:02 am : link
season that isn't over by the middle of October. They need to win a few games early. I'm not optimistic though. The talent on offense just isn't there. Probably 8-8 at best.
Cruz/JJ/Randle  
dep026 : 9/9/2014 8:28 am : link
7 catches - 50 yards. At least 4 drops.

Worst WR core in the NFL.
I  
AcidTest : 9/9/2014 8:32 am : link
am more critical of Manning. He was certainly running for his life, is behind a poor OL, and has few weapons. But he was responsible for both INTs, made other poor throws, and is totally immobile. Stafford made some moves in the pocket to avoid the rush that Manning can no longer do.
RE: I  
Great White Ghost : 9/9/2014 8:36 am : link
In comment 11850757 AcidTest said:
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am more critical of Manning. He was certainly running for his life, is behind a poor OL, and has few weapons. But he was responsible for both INTs, made other poor throws, and is totally immobile. Stafford made some moves in the pocket to avoid the rush that Manning can no longer do.
let me ask you this in al seriosness. when it's ll going tits up anyway, wouldnt you rather have a QB who is at least gonna take his shots to redeem the situation whenit's clear things are headed into the dumper anyway?TC has said many times that although he hates the INTs he would rather have a guy that takes his shots than one that just passively sits back and accepts defeat as inevitable.he's made it clear than when it comes to eli, he prefer the INTs over a laydown.
RE: Look at our WRs, offensive line, and TEs  
Great White Ghost : 9/9/2014 8:37 am : link
In comment 11850669 UberAlias said:
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And ask your selves where the talent is. I said it in the offseason, my biggest concern was lack of overall talent, and it is obvious.
It's a fact man. That's on reese. How can you make bricks without straw, I ask you?
Take DRC off the DUD list  
njm : 9/9/2014 8:41 am : link
Replace him with Stevie Brown.

Interesting, I was saying to myself last night that Richburg was the best of the OL. Hopefully that changes.
This secondary misses  
beatrixkiddo : 9/9/2014 8:41 am : link
Hill, after losing Taylor I knew we would be dangerously thin and it showed last night. DRC had a bad game, hope he can turn it around. Perry Fewell needs to stop the zone. They play man for the first 2 downs, make it 3rd and long, then he goes zone and its an instant first down. I don't get the soft defense. PLay tough, play man, you have the personal for it. If the CB"S are the strength of this D, then let them play man.
RE: This secondary misses  
Great White Ghost : 9/9/2014 8:47 am : link
In comment 11850797 beatrixkiddo said:
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Hill, after losing Taylor I knew we would be dangerously thin and it showed last night. DRC had a bad game, hope he can turn it around. Perry Fewell needs to stop the zone. They play man for the first 2 downs, make it 3rd and long, then he goes zone and its an instant first down. I don't get the soft defense. PLay tough, play man, you have the personal for it. If the CB"S are the strength of this D, then let them play man.
is true, your right, but Hill still had to go man. and i hate the guy for forcing the organizations hand.
Acid test,  
OldPolack : 9/9/2014 8:48 am : link
I agree with you it's almost like 50+ years ago when Y A Tittle was on his knees bleeding.
MARA'S WAKE UP.
Addressing some conerns  
Connor_Hughes : 9/9/2014 8:49 am : link
Perry Fewell
- For those that have pointed that out, you are correct. That is a glaring omission on my part. The overall game plan going into the game was not what it should have been. This would have been something addressed in formal game review.

- Goal line series: As stated, this is just my opinion and I understand the thought process of going to the fade route versus a beat up and smaller secondary. But in my mind, when there is no choice but to score, go with what's easy. Pound it up the middle four times needing a yard. Had it been second and goal at the one, I wouldn't feel the same. But having four shots from the one yard line, I feel you have to run it. This is a scenario that could bar argued both for, and against.

- Cromartie: I did go back and forth on this one because, at the end of the day, it was Calvin Johnson he was facing. The reason I placed him as a DUD is the Giants paid him a lot of money to face receivers like that. Johnson simply dominated him from start to finish. Had Johnson been making unreal catches, I wouldn't blame Cromartie because there are some things Johnson does you can't defend. But last night, Cromartie was just out-matched.

- Randle: I left him off because I want to see if he was open or not. I need to watch the film to see if the WRs lack of production was because of Manning not having time, them not being open, or both.

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I would have added Pugh and S.Brown  
Marty866b : 9/9/2014 8:49 am : link
To the dud list. Both stunk up the field also. Brown looks Sloowwww and Pugh looks nothing like a second year former first round pick.
So Many Questions  
Bernie : 9/9/2014 9:10 am : link
to which the answer is going to be "they are just not good". Its hard to say the O-Line has been ignored considering 3 of the 5 starters are 1st or 2nd round picks. Seriously, I would love to know how Reese and his staff rates players and what kind of traits they look for in linemen. Call me silly, but I want my O-Line to be a bunch of nasty SOB's that just want to destroy you. Right now, I don't think there is one guy on the line who fits that description. Just my opinion, but that is the root cause of the problems with this team.

Secondarily, I have no idea how CJ was allowed to run so free last night. Seriously, why was he not bracketed with a safety and corner all night. If you want to beat me with Golden Tate or Brandon Pettigrew, then have at it. And for just once, can we see an all out blitz on 3rd and long and actually crush the pocket like every other team is somehow able to do to the Giants? The "best" secondary in the league should be able to cover for 1 second in that situation and at a minimum, make a tackle for a short gain.

I fully believe that this is a multi-year rebuilding process, but after last night, I seriously question if the players they have brought in thus far are the answer.
Ruben randle is fucking terrible  
djm : 9/9/2014 9:15 am : link
He's got no football speed. He's got Average at best hands and runs shitty routes when he's actually aware of the route he's supposed to run.

Jernigan isn't anything special but he's better than randle.

I'm annoyed. Fewell sucks as usual. Everything sucks. Please Win next week for the love of everything holy.
Stud: Megatron  
Britt in VA : 9/9/2014 9:21 am : link
Dud: New York Giants
I don't slam the coaches.  
chops : 9/9/2014 9:40 am : link
Its the players. They are only average with a few exceptions .
Anotehr dud  
dep026 : 9/9/2014 9:44 am : link
Connor blaming the offense in his tweets for the inept defense.

The defense sucked ass last night. Lets call a spade a spade.
I don't think Wilson would ever have become a full time player.  
Victor in CT : 9/9/2014 9:58 am : link
He lacks football instincts. I'd love to have him as a KO returner though, and he could have become a weapon as a situational player.
Right a kickoff returner  
dairborn : 9/9/2014 10:07 am : link
Let's be paid to watch the ball sale out of the end zone every fucking kick ..... Real weapon there
agree with Epps and Earpad on Fewell  
JonC : 9/9/2014 10:12 am : link
We're seeing old problems and tendencies crop up again with PF's gameplans, zone calls and missed assignments, Stevie being flat out bad, etc.

The problems on offense are a flat out lack of talent. OL cohesion and a healthy OB should help, but that side of the ball is going to be a small margin for error alles jahr.
It will be very intresting @ metlife sunday  
BIG FRED : 9/9/2014 10:13 am : link
especially if we get down early ..We could see a saints 2006 or packers 2007 reaction from us fans in attendance well except for LPG because nothing is every wrong with the team to him
1 thing I had high hopes for  
A1022 : 9/9/2014 10:17 am : link
was to see our QB's "new" footwork. I know he was in shotgun most of the night, and our O-line was horrible. But it didn't take long for him to revert to old, bad mechanics Eli. Now many of you will say look at what's around him and give the guy a break. But the reality is, if the QB isn't buying fully into the new system, then why would you expect the other players to do the same? When things break down just do what you know instead of what you are taught? That's lack of execution. It rears it's ugly head again. Eli isn't totally to blame as this was a team effort to look this bad, but don't anybody dare say he wasn't a BIG part of the problem.
He wasn't a big part of the problem  
87giants91 : 9/9/2014 10:28 am : link
Took the dare--what happens now?
The dare is  
A1022 : 9/9/2014 10:36 am : link
Being stuck seeing this type of offensive performance 15 more times
This one goes in the circular file...  
PeterS : 9/9/2014 10:55 am : link
but if we're stilling playing like this in week 5 changes must be forthcoming.

The defense was pretty stout. Several TFLs. Remember that this is Beason's first activity since last spring. It was encouraging to see our TE's making catches downfield.
thinking about last night's game  
giantfanboy : 9/9/2014 10:58 am : link
one thing is the new offensive coach is from new orleans

the past few years sean payton has had our number and knows how to scheme against TC and Giants..

last night reminded me of recent year NO vs Giants games
(of course I am excluded the year we beat them when Payton was suspended)
RE: 1 thing I had high hopes for  
Great White Ghost : 9/9/2014 11:00 am : link
In comment 11851235 A1022 said:
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was to see our QB's "new" footwork. I know he was in shotgun most of the night, and our O-line was horrible. But it didn't take long for him to revert to old, bad mechanics Eli. Now many of you will say look at what's around him and give the guy a break. But the reality is, if the QB isn't buying fully into the new system, then why would you expect the other players to do the same? When things break down just do what you know instead of what you are taught? That's lack of execution. It rears it's ugly head again. Eli isn't totally to blame as this was a team effort to look this bad, but don't anybody dare say he wasn't a BIG part of the problem.
Good observation.
RE: I  
Jan in DC : 9/9/2014 11:05 am : link
In comment 11850757 AcidTest said:
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am more critical of Manning. He was certainly running for his life, is behind a poor OL, and has few weapons. But he was responsible for both INTs, made other poor throws, and is totally immobile. Stafford made some moves in the pocket to avoid the rush that Manning can no longer do.


I agree with this. It feels like Eli's pocket presence has gotten progressively worse the past three years. He panics before he needs to and makes poor decisions. Part of people a top tier quarterback is sound decision making in the face of pressure and I don't feel like Eli has had that since our last superbowl.
RE: Anotehr dud  
Connor_Hughes : 9/9/2014 11:16 am : link
In comment 11851089 dep026 said:
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Connor blaming the offense in his tweets for the inept defense.

The defense sucked ass last night. Lets call a spade a spade.


After the touchdowns on the first two drives, the Giants held Detroit to:
Det leading 14-7: three-and-out, punt
Det leading 14-7: three-and-out, punt
Det leading 14-7: missed field goal
END OF HALF
Det leading 14-7: four-play drive that started at NYG 18, FG
Det leading: 17-7: Nine-play, 66-yard drive ending in FG.

What did the Giants do after their touchdown?
Five-play drive, punt (gained two yards)
Six-play drive, gained 22 yards (punt)
Three-play drive, two yards, INT
Three-play drive, six yards, punt
One-play drive, 0 yards, INT

There is only so much a defense can do when they are on the field as much as they are. They held after those two TDs early and gave New York plenty of opportunities to tie and take the lead. The offenses' ineptitude didn't capitalize.

I stand by my tweets.
Hard to give the D a full grade, but they certainly weren't terrible  
jcn56 : 9/9/2014 11:18 am : link
especially when the O kept handing the damn ball back to them, either after a 3 and out or a turnover.

I think people are a little overly harsh on DRC, it's not like he was covering Jernigan out there.
RE: RE: Anotehr dud  
dep026 : 9/9/2014 11:26 am : link
In comment 11851501 Connor_Hughes said:
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In comment 11851089 dep026 said:


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Connor blaming the offense in his tweets for the inept defense.

The defense sucked ass last night. Lets call a spade a spade.



After the touchdowns on the first two drives, the Giants held Detroit to:
Det leading 14-7: three-and-out, punt
Det leading 14-7: three-and-out, punt
Det leading 14-7: missed field goal
END OF HALF
Det leading 14-7: four-play drive that started at NYG 18, FG
Det leading: 17-7: Nine-play, 66-yard drive ending in FG.

What did the Giants do after their touchdown?
Five-play drive, punt (gained two yards)
Six-play drive, gained 22 yards (punt)
Three-play drive, two yards, INT
Three-play drive, six yards, punt
One-play drive, 0 yards, INT

There is only so much a defense can do when they are on the field as much as they are. They held after those two TDs early and gave New York plenty of opportunities to tie and take the lead. The offenses' ineptitude didn't capitalize.

I stand by my tweets.


I wouldnt stand by them. You cant just forget two drives to start the game. Going down 14-0 after two drives is awful in every sense of the word.

Lets look at the 5 drives you points out.

1. 3 and out. Good job by defense.
2. 3 and out. Good job by defense.
3. 10 plays, 45 yards. Missed FG. Are we really going to give them credit for them missing an easy FG?
4. 4 play FG. Good stop.
5. 9 play 66 yards FG. Um, not good.

Lets look at some more stats.

Stafford: 22-32 346 yards, 2 TDs, 1 sack, 0 turnovers. Awful
10-15 3rd down conversion rate.
2 punts.

So to recall, the Giants stopped them 3 times! Three. 2 punts, and a FG after an INT.

Plus, you made your "tweet" right after the Giants had a 14 play 80 yard drive that last between the third and 4th quarter. Defense wasnt rested after that? Seriously?

Take some constructive criticism. Less tweeting, more watching. One thing Giants fans will always say is that our beat reporters are some of the worst in the sport. You are following that line.
I am shocked..  
richynyc : 9/9/2014 11:29 am : link
Shocked, that no one has mentioned Kiwi as one, if not the, worst player on the field for us last night. Correct me if I'm wrong because I was hosting some folks at my place and missed some plays, but did he make a single positive play last night? I didn't see it...instead I saw him continually losing the edge, over-pursuing inside leaving Stafford to scramble to his right (as on the first TD), and when he did try to maintain his edge position he was routinely wiped out. This from a 10 (?) year vet? I agree there were a lot of crappy performances for us last night, but Kiwi's suck quotient was up there...
RE: Hard to give the D a full grade, but they certainly weren't terrible  
dep026 : 9/9/2014 11:30 am : link
In comment 11851511 jcn56 said:
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especially when the O kept handing the damn ball back to them, either after a 3 and out or a turnover.

I think people are a little overly harsh on DRC, it's not like he was covering Jernigan out there.


The offenses ineptness should not factor into how poor the defense was. Why cant the Giants defense get stops? The Lions punted TWICE last night. TWICE. Stafford did whatever he pleased.

If the offense goes 3 and out, maybe the defense should rise up and get a 3 and out. Maybe we shouldnt be in a 14-0 hole right off the bat because we are leaving calvin johnson wide the fuck open. Maybe not give up a 10 play drive when its only 17-7.

The defense was right on par with the offense last night. Inept, inadequate, insufficient.
Rich  
BIG FRED : 9/9/2014 11:41 am : link
pff gave him the worst grade out of any player this past week
Any of you ever have a high ankle sprain?  
kmed : 9/9/2014 11:43 am : link
I've had my share and I can't imagine any scenario in which I was able to continue playing after doing it. The fact that Weatherford came back and punted later on leads me to believe that it was just a minor sprain and he will be fine.
Thanks Fred...  
richynyc : 9/9/2014 11:57 am : link
At least I know I wasn't imagining things...
I am not going to overly judge the first three games  
SGMen : 9/9/2014 12:06 pm : link
We have a totally new offense.
We have many new faces on offense.
We have many new faces on defense.
We have a totally new (over-all) coaching staff.

This is a team finding itself and its strengths.

Unfortunately, Jerry Reese has not drafted well. He just hasn't and it is clear that the drafts from 2008 to 2012 are just plain terrible. 2013 and 2014 show some promise early on but only if ODB really does become a true #1 wideout.

If we are this pathetic games 4 and beyond well I'll be really worried indeed that the Reese, TC regime is at an end.
Kiwi didn't stand out to me as particularly bad...  
SB : 9/9/2014 12:07 pm : link
...but I have no idea why he is starting. I mean, I know why he is starting, he is a vet that went to BC. But come on... let's get Ayers in there. They guy is good against the run and looked solid as a pass rusher in preseason. Rotate Moore in with Ayers.

Kiwi should only be in their if one of those two guys needs a breather or gets hurt. Enough is enough.
RE: Kiwi didn't stand out to me as particularly bad...  
rocco8112 : 9/9/2014 12:24 pm : link
In comment 11851683 SB said:
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...but I have no idea why he is starting. I mean, I know why he is starting, he is a vet that went to BC. But come on... let's get Ayers in there. They guy is good against the run and looked solid as a pass rusher in preseason. Rotate Moore in with Ayers.

Kiwi should only be in their if one of those two guys needs a breather or gets hurt. Enough is enough.


You mean you were not impressed with Captain Average's performance last night? Kiwi is the personification of Just Another Guy. He has been on the team almost a decade and his signature play is still from his rookie year when he let Vince Young convert a huge third down after by hugging him instead of bringing him to the turf.

Seems like a nice guy and a stand up citizen but dont expect him to make any plays.
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