Eli Manning...

Our lines last season & this season is football malpractice.

Well, it makes no sense to fire a GM during the year, unlike a HC, as there is no upside to it during the season, so that wont happen. As far as after that, he has until John Mara:

A) Conducts his end of year evaluations
B) Decides he is not the man for the job. He will make that decision based on loyalty to the franchise, not Reese.
C) Finds a suitable candidate that he feels is an upgrade
D) Has a discussion with Steve Tisch and gets him on the same page in agreement with the idea a change must be made, and then they agree on the replacement candidate

When those conditions are met, then there will be an end to Jerry Reese's tenure with the Giants. I hope that answers your question.

and they put this shit show of an offensive line in front of him.

I'm not going to throw out words like incompetent, or claim he is the benificiary of old school ingrained cultural NYG cronyism, but he simply has not gotten the job done.

His first and most important Priority was to put an effective line together, and for whatever reason he has been unable to do so. I don't know the reason matter so much as thew fact that he has been ineffective in this regard, one that seems to have been the Primary focus of the NYG this offseason, and by all apearances he has failed.If putting together a functional effective O-line was NOT his priority, then perhaps that is even more damning.Either way, it seems to me that at this point in time he is ineffective. No sense calling for heads now, the season just started. but at years end when they hold their evaluations he has to be held as accountable as anyone else, and by accountable i don't mean simply walking into a meeting with John Mara and Steve Tisch and spinning a yarn.
As the yearb unfolds perhaps it becomes apparent he made the right calls, the O-line solidifies, performs, protects manning and Prospers and it ends well for all involved including Jerry Reese.Early returns however seem to indicate that is an unlikely scenario, however.Time will tell, but I'm not inspired, and so far it looks like he didn't get dome what was the primary offseason goal of putting together a viable line in front of Manning so he could function like a 100 million dollar QB.

Reese has had numerous opportunities to build a great offensive line. When push comes to shove he just prefers the sexy picks more. He is just like Accorsi. No better, no worse. Just luckier in the playoffs. He then tries to make up for it by getting offensive lineman in free agency. That is a poor strategy.

Decent offensive linemen in free agency are extremely expensive. They are a poor value. Reese gave Eli way too much money. Reese is then forced to give the free agent offensive linemen way too much money. Then he doesn't have enough money to build the rest of the team.

In comment 11850562 Big Blue Fan 74 said:

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Reese has had numerous opportunities to build a great offensive line. When push comes to shove he just prefers the sexy picks more. He is just like Accorsi. No better, no worse. Just luckier in the playoffs. He then tries to make up for it by getting offensive lineman in free agency. That is a poor strategy. Decent offensive linemen in free agency are extremely expensive. They are a poor value. Reese gave Eli way too much money. Reese is then forced to give the free agent offensive linemen way too much money. Then he doesn't have enough money to build the rest of the team.

They are about 8 mil under the cap. They have coin to spend.
are you suggesting the Giants should have cut bait with manning after his last super bowl 2 years ago and not paid him and watched as another team did? Because have no doubt had we not paid him someone would have.

we were dominating teams in 2008 until the idiot shot himself in the leg.

That is even more insane.

Reese says everybody has a value and if they won't play for what they are worth then it is a mistake to chase them. Eli was not the best player in the NFL when we made him the highest paid player in the NFL.

5 new starters on the O-line and they start they season by beating down the Patriots?

Their GM must be a lot smarter than Reese.

Pats wish they had the defensive line man power the Lions have. Suh, Fariely and Ansah aren't slouches.

Our WRs still aren't on the same page as Eli. Last night it was hand signals in addition to not seeing the same reads. That lead to Eli's first INT last night.

that's why nassib has to start. eli is one of the least mobile QBS out there. you need someone who has a little more escability. nassib might be a little better at getting away from the pressure.

which he deserves, but why no mention of our No.1 Pugh? He stunk it up just as much. And John Jerry was on the receiving end of getting bullied the entire night. Not to many positives can be mentioned about the entire line.

My lord, there is noting there on the offensive side of the ball. The line, WRs, and TEs are abysmal. The back may be good but the line doesn't open anything for them.

We know what Eli is. But this is as weak an offensive roster as I've seen. At least in the Jets bad offenses they had a few studs up front on the oline. We have a bunch of nobodies who play like nobodies.

I think it's quite acceptable particular posters bitch about particular players. That way other posters can complain about the guys the first one left out. we as posters need some teamwork here and need to do our part. Is only fair there is a division of labor in bitching about the players. no one poster can be expected to criticize all the guys that suck in one post, there's just too many shitty players right now. I think we need to adapt a tag team aproach so that no single posted gets overwhelmed with an unfair amount of Kvetching and pissing and moaning. there is more than enough to go around. One guy cant be expected to do it all in one post. teamwork, I say.

pointed out the Eli was in shotgun formation almost all the time last night. We need to get back to some basic plays for this OL to even function.

Not up to Eli, but why were we running into the teeth of the Lion D last night, up the gut, right into Suh and Fairly? How about some sweeps?

The team hasn't been responding very well to the direction of the coaching staff for a couple of seasons, and the GM hasn't fixed the problems that has mired this team.
The owners demanded that they must "fix" the offense during this past off season, have they?
Winning 5 meaningless pre-season games against the opposition's third string teams has shown us absolutely nothing. Our first string team looks pathetic!
I also think that it is time to bench Manning, and start Nassib.
I may be crazy for saying this, but it looks like Manning is simply not understanding what his OC is asking him to do. By benching him, perhaps it'll light a fire under his ass to try better.
I don't want Big Blue to start the season like last year and go 0-6, but I just don't see this team showing any improvements.

is that he prioritized offensive playmakers over building the offensive line, and all of those offensive playmakers got hurt or busted. Nicks got hurt/quit and is off the team. Randle, who was touted as being NFL ready, is off to a horrendous career start as he can't learn the playbook it seems. David Wilson had a career ending injury. ODB still hasn't seen the field.

If these guy at least partially panned out, then with the quickness of this type of offense, Eli would at least have some weapons that could make plays on the ball in spite of a struggling offensive line.

The problems have been compounded.

In comment 11850894 Fishmanjim57 said:

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The team hasn't been responding very well to the direction of the coaching staff for a couple of seasons, and the GM hasn't fixed the problems that has mired this team. The owners demanded that they must "fix" the offense during this past off season, have they? Winning 5 meaningless pre-season games against the opposition's third string teams has shown us absolutely nothing. Our first string team looks pathetic! I also think that it is time to bench Manning, and start Nassib. I may be crazy for saying this, but it looks like Manning is simply not understanding what his OC is asking him to do. By benching him, perhaps it'll light a fire under his ass to try better. I don't want Big Blue to start the season like last year and go 0-6, but I just don't see this team showing any improvements.

HE HAS NO PROTECTION!!!Nassib looks great against second and thrid string lineman. You think he has bigger stones than Elibehind that abomination of a first string line we have? he rattles easier than Eli when shit is hairy and you can't get into a rythym when he's running for his life all the time.

For crying out loud, how long do you blame everyone else and give Eli a pass? Sure, the line isn't giving him all day. Other QBs get pressured too. Enough with the excuses. Eli just isn't that good now, and hasn't been for a while. Even when he was great, he wasn't consistantly great.

He still has the ability. He can still make some great throws. But he's just not as consistant as the great QBs in this league. He's sometimes accurate, often not. I don't know how you can watch some of the throws he makes and blame everyone around him.

In comment 11850998 Csonka said:

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For crying out loud, how long do you blame everyone else and give Eli a pass? Sure, the line isn't giving him all day. Other QBs get pressured too. Enough with the excuses. Eli just isn't that good now, and hasn't been for a while. Even when he was great, he wasn't consistantly great. He still has the ability. He can still make some great throws. But he's just not as consistant as the great QBs in this league. He's sometimes accurate, often not. I don't know how you can watch some of the throws he makes and blame everyone around him.

do you really listen to what people write, or do you just kinda , like, edit it in your mind? I understand the nature of eli as a QB, and many of us do. you're not getting that it's not an apology, he doesn't need one.The guy has 2 SB rings and plays a certain style of football. You may not appreciate it, and maybe you dont understand that this is not a QB who plays to post high statistics like Romo. The fact was even today he was playing at points where we could have got back in it had the line not collapsed. Eli manning makes only the throws he has to. he's probably the most economical qb in the NFL. I'm not apologizing for him, I'm saying I'd rather have him with his shitty stats over the next guy, because i have confidence that with a decent supporting cast like an OL and a couple of competent consistent WRs he can beat anyone. Do you really forget the string of one mediocre receiver after another that he has made loook good and look successful, as long as they run their routes because HE WILL put the ball on them and give them opportunities to score. It's not all about num,bers. it's all about winning. give him weapons and he can win. say what you want but npo other qb is getting shit done behind that line, period.he doesnt need to be consistent and if thats how you judge a QB go route for rome and his lack of playoff success. numbers mean shit. championships and staying competitive and getting into the tournament is what it's about. thats not an apology, good sir, it's an informed appraisal of a value i can perceive and appreciate.

I care not for generals who win most of the battles but lose the war.Over the course of a campaign, with proper support, I'll still take Eli over any other NFL QB, because if he can make it to the playoffs, there he is the stronger player.

When Donnell is your best receiver, that's a big problem. It looked like he was completely oblivious to the route adjustment that Eli signaled him on the interception.

Cruz was being doubled all night. One of his two catches was a 20-yard reception that Eli threaded between two receivers. His other catch was a 4 yard completion where he got hit immediately. He also dropped one or two passes.

Jernigan had four catches. Aside from Donnell and Jennings, he was the leading receiver. Sorry, but if Jernigan is your go-to WR, that's a big problem.

Randle had 2 catches for a big bad 1 yard. Considering he's not double worthy, that means he ran bad routes and/or couldn't get separation all game. "NFL ready" indeed. Does this make me NFL ready too?

Those are our receivers. Hard to get the ball downfield without anyone to throw to.

And then there's the o-line. I realize the Lions have some dynamic pass rushers, but Beatty and Pugh were messes. No ability whatsoever to even slow down the ends on bull rushes. They're a combined 620 pounds, but couldn't even slow down the ends for a second at times.

Jerry isn't an NFL starter, so I'll give him a pass. But he's starting for the Giants, and that's all we need to know.

Can't get the ball downfield if you're running for your life or trying to avoid the rush in less than two seconds.

Definitely can't get the ball downfield with no OL and no receivers.

Oh, and our brand new RB averaged less than 3 yards a carry.

But he used to have that elusiveness, knowing just when to step up, roll out as much as possible, or hang tight.

That appears to be gone, making him the least mobile QB in the NFL. It's a big deal.

In comment 11850620 Loluchka80 said:

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that's why nassib has to start. eli is one of the least mobile QBS out there. you need someone who has a little more escability. nassib might be a little better at getting away from the pressure.

Your a fool

was not doubled all night. He had a problem of getting open all night.

Jernigan is a slot receiver playing outside, I dont know what Randle is and Cruz looked awful last night...

At this point and i am not saying the season is over but if it continues, I think you see a complete overhaul of this team which includes reese, Coughlin, Fewell, Mcadoo and Eli...

draft Mariota or Winston as the future, bring in a young head coach ready to groom a rookie Qb and go from there...

In comment 11851164 nygiants16 said:

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Jernigan is a slot receiver playing outside, I dont know what Randle is and Cruz looked awful last night... At this point and i am not saying the season is over but if it continues, I think you see a complete overhaul of this team which includes reese, Coughlin, Fewell, Mcadoo and Eli... draft Mariota or Winston as the future, bring in a young head coach ready to groom a rookie Qb and go from there...

Rather keep Nassib and build an OLine. You draft Mariotta or Winston next year, how are you improved?

In comment 11851176 dep026 said:

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In comment 11851164 nygiants16 said: Quote: Jernigan is a slot receiver playing outside, I dont know what Randle is and Cruz looked awful last night... At this point and i am not saying the season is over but if it continues, I think you see a complete overhaul of this team which includes reese, Coughlin, Fewell, Mcadoo and Eli... draft Mariota or Winston as the future, bring in a young head coach ready to groom a rookie Qb and go from there... Rather keep Nassib and build an OLine. You draft Mariotta or Winston next year, how are you improved?

Who said this is going to be a 1 year rebuild? this is going to take 2-3 years at minimum to rebuild this team...

In comment 11851189 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 11851176 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 11851164 nygiants16 said: Quote: Jernigan is a slot receiver playing outside, I dont know what Randle is and Cruz looked awful last night... At this point and i am not saying the season is over but if it continues, I think you see a complete overhaul of this team which includes reese, Coughlin, Fewell, Mcadoo and Eli... draft Mariota or Winston as the future, bring in a young head coach ready to groom a rookie Qb and go from there... Rather keep Nassib and build an OLine. You draft Mariotta or Winston next year, how are you improved? Who said this is going to be a 1 year rebuild? this is going to take 2-3 years at minimum to rebuild this team...

I rather the 49ers approach. Build the OL first, then worry about your QB. They drafted Staley, Boone, Iupati, Davis before taking Kap.

started to get really frustrated and started showing more frustration than he has in his entire career as a Giant...i think not being in sync with this new offense is really starting to get to him..

In comment 11851189 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 11851176 dep026 said: Quote: In comment 11851164 nygiants16 said: Quote: Jernigan is a slot receiver playing outside, I dont know what Randle is and Cruz looked awful last night... At this point and i am not saying the season is over but if it continues, I think you see a complete overhaul of this team which includes reese, Coughlin, Fewell, Mcadoo and Eli... draft Mariota or Winston as the future, bring in a young head coach ready to groom a rookie Qb and go from there... Rather keep Nassib and build an OLine. You draft Mariotta or Winston next year, how are you improved? Who said this is going to be a 1 year rebuild? this is going to take 2-3 years at minimum to rebuild this team...

I myself think this was to be a 3 year rebuild, and this was the second year.The way it's going it may go on for another 2 years. They defintitel vut a lot of guys and broguht in some new ones on 2013. i just think i lot of the FAs they brought in last year didn't work out, some did, patterson amd jenkins were a big part of it.They signed some WRs and LBs that didnt work out like Connor and a few others.Fact is I don't think the rebuild is goign well. They bit the bullet on some dead money last year to free some up going forward as well. I regard this as year 2.
Last year they also tried to address the RB situation and it didn't work out either.they brought in a new kicker, and made several other changes, like Pugh, and started work on the line then, tried to free up some money by letting Osi go. This is not year one. there were significant changes last year from the 2012 roster.

In comment 11851122 Mike in Long Beach said:

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But he used to have that elusiveness, knowing just when to step up, roll out as much as possible, or hang tight. That appears to be gone, making him the least mobile QB in the NFL. It's a big deal.

LOL!!! Step Up? Where the hell would like him to go??? There was a Defensive lineman waiting for him wherever he turned! Suh and Frailey came right through the middle and Ansah made it look like no one was blocking him.

Great White, you're a heck of a Giants fan and loyal to the end. I respect that. But Eli's MVPs aren't doing us any good today or last year for that matter. It's time for him to play like a $20 million per year quarterback.

What's this certain style of football exactly? No, he doesn't play for stats. But stats do reflect a LITTLE of how you're playing. 27 picks and a 69 QBR last year is fucking ridiculous. And if possible, he looked even worse last night. No other QB would do shit behind that line? No backup in the league could do any worse.

"Eli manning makes only the throws he has to"? "He's probably the most economical qb in the NFL"? WTF? You'll never hear an unbiased analyst say that. One last night was bad luck and should have hit the ground. The other was was just an awful throw, and totally on Eli. Yeah, he was on the move. Make the damn throw.

You'll still take Eli over any other NFL QB because you're a Giants fanatic. No rational football fan would take the current Eli over 20 other guys.

and others are off. Not sure if he can make all the throws. He is in physical decline.

find a QB in the NFL playing worse than Manning, and that goes back to Hurricane Sandy.

He's ineffective.

There were several throws early in the game that Eli simply missed that would have extended drives. 2 simply slant patterns and then choosing to throw to Jernigan short of the sticks rather than Cruz further downfield who was also open. His timing and overall ability to use his checkdowns is unacceptable.

And he can't out-run a 350# NT. Pressure that other QBs avoid easily, Eli doesn't escape. Stafford's 1st TD to Calvin Johnson is a 10 yard sack for Damontre Moore.

But the #1 sign he's cooked? He no longer keeps his eyes downfield - he looks at the rush. When that happens, you're done. Was hoping McAdoo's offense would take some pressure off him with easy, well-conceived plays but it doesn't appear to be the case.

yeah, I'm biased, I also know he performs well under pressure and does little else otherwise. I'd even go so far as to say he's lazy.

Put it this way. I hear people wondering why Eli wasn't given an extension last year, as if he was supposed to with 2 years left on his contract. I think that's insane.if I were mara I wouldn't even think about it, and i sure as hell wouldnt entertain the idea till after this year , and in all lilkelihood would let him play out his contract, 2 years, during which time I retain TC as well, and If I'm not satisfied as to where they are, then I hire a new HC who isn't married to Eli, and my new HC has the option of then deciding if he wants manning to continue on as the QB , or he has the option of brnging in someoen new. I think thats the way to handle it.

Far as Eli being economical, really, his percentage is shit, and he really only makes throw for first down and thr throws he has to, and few else. It's not like he has a high QB rating, but if you can't recognize his ability to handle , manage and master a crisis, especially in big games I really dunno what to say.

Some guys sell boats for a living. some guys sell a whole bunch of shitty little 14-21 fot boats all year long and struggle. Some guys sell 120 foot yachts and only sell 3 a year.Thats eli. he does what he has to, the bare minimum to win it and stay in tit. nothing else.Sure, a statsitician doesnt give a shit for the numbers, maybe your right a opundit wouldf laugh at it, meanshile eli has been making them all look like assholes for years and thats why they hate him.I'll put my faith in manning before Romoe or stafford or Brady or some talking head.Give him a decent supporting cast and bet against him at your own peril.

The guy probably has more 179 total yard, 1 TD, 2 int victories than any other QB in history.he wins ugly, and I don't care, long as he wins.His numbers are shit, meanwhile he has one losing season in all his time as a starter.

The guy is a closer.

Both he and the team need a change. I don't know how much he has left, but he'd be better off seeing if he does in Houston or Tampa. And the Giants need to see if Nassib is the real deal.