One VERY important thing to keep in mind...

stating a position then stating the exact opposite of that position is a very effective communication strategy. you should go into politics.

Why is it a 2 year plan? The Lions looked ready last night and they not only installed a new offense, they have a whole new coaching staff. Chargers last year? Etc etc.

If it was a 2 year plan, they wouldn't have spent all that FA money in the offseason.

What's it gonna be next year when it's still not working?

this team doesn't just get a pass for the entire year because they brought some new faces in and have a new set of plays to learn. These guys a professionals and have an entire offseason. I understand that the first couple games might be rough getting our legs under the system, but a whole year?

I don't see Coughlin here next year. Same issue that been true for a couple of years, Coughlin will be pushing 70 next year. Do you start a rebuild with a 70 year old coach?

And irrespective of his talent McAdoo will be gone also. Remember when Sean Payton got dumped as a solution to Fassel's problems? Not that McAdoo is necessarily Sean Payton, but it's impossible to have watched Lombardi's offense execute, and not compare the two first year OC's.

a 2-year plan would imply that there is a plan. I don't see a plan. I see an organization that has fallen into a pattern of chasing to try and fix problems in an emergency instead of creating a vision and following through on it. We are constantly reacting. Years of poor drafting and questionable decisions have led to this and now it's a scramble to stay afloat.

Reese gone?! But but but ... 2 Super Bowl Championships! That seems to be the phrase that shuts off any criticism of any Giants personnel no matter what the current circumstances.

In my view, it's pretty clear the talent level isn't good and they began to strip down the roster last offseason. But, the UFA signings point to trying to load up to win now. It's mixed messages and after watching the team you have to wonder if the brass really has a plan, or is intuned to their talent level.

With that said I'm optimistic that thing will turn around. I've conceded that the Lions have too much talent for us at this point in time. Our offense was imply not ready for such a ferocious defense.

expectations for this team, which in turn allows me to lower my sense of anger and disappointment. It seems to help. Three wins and a top five draft pick please.

In comment 11851307 PeterS said:

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With that said I'm optimistic that thing will turn around. I've conceded that the Lions have too much talent for us at this point in time. Our offense was imply not ready for such a ferocious defense.

If the freaking Lions have too much talent for us we're a bottom 10 team in the league.

but their back seven on defense is suspect, the fact we did little against it is an indictment against the lack of talent we have on O. It's one game but we saw this last season and it's likely to continue.

Suddenly gives the rest of the staff a free pass on allowing such a glut of talent to occur along the trenches on both sides of the ball, a total inability to show up to games looking prepared to play at a professional level and a inexplicable desire to minimize the talent they do have, all while accentuating the glaring holes on the roster through baffling play calling and schemes that seem to be counter-intuitive.

I enjoyed the 2007 and 2012 runs as much as the next guy, but the product being put out on the field right now is indefensible. There is no discernible strategic plan for this roster, just very poor drafting and a sudden reliance on overpriced/under-performing free agents. I wish it was as simple as the cries to getting rid of Eli, but this is a roster that's nearly rotten to the core and devoid talent at key positions across the board.

Its not a coincidence the Giants have the second oldest roster in the league right now - its due to the fact the entire middle rounds of the past half decade of drafts would have likely netted better results if the team used a dartboard method to make the selections. Only the Raiders are older, which is dubious company to keep in the NFL.

No thank you. It needs to be blown up, at the latest, at the end of this season. That means new GM, new coach and new QB.

Fewell is TCs 4th DefCo, only 1 was considered a success. If they don't improve as the season progresses and finish strongly at 7-9 or 8-8 I would expect that TC "retires", Reese is canned and Eli's fate will be decided next March by a new regime.

Many teams have installed new players and systems, and don't look this bad.

It's not about next year. It's about next game.

Miami has 5 new starting OL and put up almost 200 rushing yards on the PATs. Detroit has a new HC and OC.

Giants need to get there shit together this year or I'll be among the herd clamoring for a new GM, coach and franchise QB.

So it is a 2 year plan but we will fire the GM but not the coach OC or QB? So who the hell's plan is it? Did the new GM who is going to replace Reese sign off on this plan?

You can't bring in your own HC, OC, or draft your own QB because there is already a plan in place and has one more year?

this is some sort of plan.....

If it is, it's a bad plan....

It's only one game....it's not encouraging....

But you can't base it all on one game....you have to sit back and watch each game, and only hope you see improvement from week to week....

What can wreck this improvement, is injuries.....especially in the OL......this OL has to gel....it has to communicate better...that stunt up the middle, where Walton blocked no one, is a prime example....if this OL does not gel, the season is over for the Giants.....this defense is not as good as everyone thinks.....it can't keep us in games, waiting for the offense to "get it".....

In comment 11851539 Doomster said:

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this is some sort of plan..... If it is, it's a bad plan.... It's only one game....it's not encouraging.... But you can't base it all on one game....you have to sit back and watch each game, and only hope you see improvement from week to week.... What can wreck this improvement, is injuries.....especially in the OL......this OL has to gel....it has to communicate better...that stunt up the middle, where Walton blocked no one, is a prime example....if this OL does not gel, the season is over for the Giants.....this defense is not as good as everyone thinks.....it can't keep us in games, waiting for the offense to "get it".....

Must be an especially rough week for you with the Pats losing to the Dolphins...

that they were 6-6 against the Dolphins in Miami, before the game?

Funny thing is, look at the similarity of both teams.....

Both OL's put pressure on their qb's.....

Both defenses were suppose to be great.....

Both defenses couldn't rush the passer....

Neither offense has a true WR....

Both defenses had a high priced corner, that didn't play like one......

Both offenses had QB's that didn't play like ELIte qb's....

Both offenses did not rush the ball well....

yes, most on this board can't fathom the fact that I have a favorite NFC team, and a favorite AFC team......especially since I live in Ma., where I get a lot of looks at Market Basket, when I wear my old LT 56 jersey....

if we continue this shit show moving forward, I don't see us getting more than 3 wins. The back end of our schedule is no walk in the park...

Which is why I still find it incredibly stupid for the owner to want and do this. If it all goes south and Coughlin goes and Eli does too, then so will Mcadoo. So then what was the point of this little experiment? All it becomes is an utterly and completely lost year that no one will ever nor will they ever want to, remember.

a successful 2 year building plan means we see some improvement this year, then more improvement next year as we add more pieces to the puzzle. You don't get a pass for year one if you don't show improvement.

As crazy as it sounds, in a odd way winning the Super Bowl in 2011 was the worst thing that could have happened for the long-term good of the team. 2011 was a crazy anomaly, not a blueprint for success, but they've kept trying to recreate that kind of team by running around sticking their fingers in the leaks that sprung up in the roster. That roster was already taking on water, but because they got hot and won there wasn't a major revamping of the roster.

into shit if they don't fix this mess quick. Not giving him a chance to become great like other QB's who are giving the chance with the right systems like Brady and brother Payton is just plain unfair to Eli. It's pathetic if you ask me.. Totally inexcusable to put Eli in this horrible position.

Here's the plan.

Rebuild the offensive line and begin the transition to Nassib as his mobility will extend plays behind a porous offensive line. He is better suited for this offense than Eli. It's not a pleasant thought but reality is starting to set in. If we're going to suck then let's get to sucking and rebuilding. Can't believe I just wrote that. Get rid of Eli's contract and you can pursue high-priced OTs/OGs and re-sign JPP.

Granted, this becomes the plan if the team is 2-6 at the half-way mark w/ no signs of improvement on the line. Hopefully, we see a remarkable turnaround and away we go!

There is just no way to compensate for the bad drafting and unfortunate injuries to draftees in 1 year.

They did a lot this off-season but not enough. It's going to take 1 more year and a healthy Beckham to get the talent level up to teams like the Lions.

It is what it is.

that he doesn't have a template on how to do things,and that's kinda how it looks.

In comment 11851285 Chris in Philly said:

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a 2-year plan would imply that there is a plan. I don't see a plan. I see an organization that has fallen into a pattern of chasing to try and fix problems in an emergency instead of creating a vision and following through on it. We are constantly reacting. Years of poor drafting and questionable decisions have led to this and now it's a scramble to stay afloat.

Well shit, that's a point I'm envious of not having thought of first.

The Giants have drafted poorly for several years. They have had key players suffer injuries that ended or diminished their careers (Smith, Phillips, Snee, Nicks.) You don't fix a rotted core my signing a few FAs. It takes several years of good drafts to do that.

Coughlin pulling Manning. Ever!

but it's up to management and John Mara may feel a lot of loyalty to someone who brought him two Super Bowl wins.