Getting Blown Out With Disturbing Regularity

In comment 11851475 Fish said:

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Do you have a parking pass for me?

lol...I got you fish!

looked great at tne end of last season, seemed like he was really coming on; willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

In comment 11851457 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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been to two games in his life. Carolina last year and the Falcons the year before. Thus, he's never seen the Giants score in person. I'm thinking about putting him up for adoption...

How old is he. Does he have a chance to be re-educated. My older one has already jumped ship to the Dolphins. My younger one wants to know why I made him a Giant fan. Thank God for You Tube and old videos of awesome football

In comment 11851457 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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been to two games in his life. Carolina last year and the Falcons the year before. Thus, he's never seen the Giants score in person. I'm thinking about putting him up for adoption...

Keep your son. Put the Giants up for adoption.

In comment 11851331 BeerFridge said:

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The regularity with which our DBs seem to have their heads up each other's asses is maddening. 4 games from now, they'll "simplify the scheme" and it will get better. defense had played on a short field for this whole stretch...just something to keep in mind.

if there's a 7-9 finish or even another 8-8, that there's recognition of the need to change finally. Everybody goes.

Reese/Ross get fired. Coughlin gets to go out.

If we have a high enough draft pick to get a top QB, we do it.

In comment 11851494 LauderdaleMatty said:

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In comment 11851457 FatMan in Charlotte said: Quote: been to two games in his life. Carolina last year and the Falcons the year before. Thus, he's never seen the Giants score in person. I'm thinking about putting him up for adoption... How old is he. Does he have a chance to be re-educated. My older one has already jumped ship to the Dolphins. My younger one wants to know why I made him a Giant fan. Thank God for You Tube and old videos of awesome football

these kids should stop whining. They have sen 2 SBs already! :-). I grew up with the '70s Giants and never jumped ship.

Uhh....

The players suck. The personnel sucks. It's not difficult to see why either. The Giants are now afflicted with a problem that makes for poor football teams. Bad drafting. When you draft badly, holes open up all over your roster, and they cannot be plugged when the poor drafting continues. Poor drafting at the OL position, TE position, LB position, and WR position, and quite possibly DE position. You're not going to win many games or even be competitive in many games in the sport of football with those positions being below average to poor. That is on Reese and his team.

and it's all about controlling the LOS.

We can't do it on either side, and teams are eventually over 60 minutes going to wear us down and pile on.

Even last night...the game is sorta close for a time period. Then....we can't move the ball effectively, and we can't get near the QB. Game snowballs out of control.

of those blowouts just yet. This was Mcadoo's first time game-planning and calling plays for a regular season game, and it happened to be against what I think will be a very good Lions team. There's a lot that we can take away from this game but I need to see much more before determining that this fits into some kind of pattern for the Giants.

that Cincinnati game... we got figured out and never made adjustments

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In comment 11851466 rocco8112 said:

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... but Jernigan is horrible. I doubt he makes almost any other NFL roster he jusy looks like he is playing slower, weaker and smaller than anyone else. His drop of the early third down slant route in the first was all you have to see, guy sucks.

another Reese quality draft selection. A "real player"...

Pretty alarming and just embarrassing. You hit it on the nail, it does start from top to bottom.. The biggest problem has been Reese and then I would say Coaches like Fewell, he should have never been hired for this defense. He doesn't fit in this defense. Who knows what they have in this OC McCadoo? Could he be another shitty coach hiring by Reese and Co.?? He was a QB coach not an experienced OC?? Just seems like this Org doesn't want to spend the money on quality coaching most the time. Kinda how they treat signing any quality players, name any potential Pro Bowlers right now on the Giants Roster?? Good example is the Oline, the worst by far in our own division?! smh..

Lousy HC, but an excellent, proven OffCo

Is a new OC also. Former QB coach. He clearly had a game plan and the horses to carry it out. It was night and day they way gameplanned us on both sides of the ball. We look like the same freaking team as last year... And the year before.

Interceptions off of own players heels. Multiple turnovers. Wide receivers getting outmuscled for the ball. Drops. Opposing receivers ranging throughout the middle of the field uncontested.

Beatty missing blocks. Moore missing sacks.

Super Bowls so we should all be happy.

Yeah. The really frustrating part of the recent struggles is how many times we haven't even been competitive. So many of these games aren't even in doubt by the 4th quarter because we're already too far behind and completely inept.

And for fucks sake. It doesn't matter WHO is coordinating this offense. We simply do not have enough talent. The line is bad, the WR's aren't very good and we have the worst group of TE's in football. Good luck doing much of anything under those circumstances.

It used to be the excuse for swoonball now swoonball comes early. Different faces same excuses.

I remember thinking, wow it's great that Eli is so young still and Coughlin is loyal and sticking around, I won't have to sit through a 1991-1992 type regression again. This team will contend for years to come..

Fuck all. It's actually WORSE than 1991-1992. Fuck fuck.

Jernigan was the best WR on the Giants last night. If you don't laugh, you will cry.

Ruben fucking Randle. HE's like a 2008 Amani Toomer except he's dumb as fuck and has shittier hands than 2008 Toomer. 2008 Amani Toomer is better than a 3rd year Ruben Randle. And THAT is our #2 WR. God help us

But it might be. That defense was better.

The year they won the Super Bowl they lost a game by 4 TDs.

In 2007, they lost 2 games by at least 3 TDs.

has 2003 potential in it. I never thought I would ever say that again.

Below average OL talent, lacking playmakers at WR and DE, team speed appears to have slipped on the whole.

The brass might have spent in UFA with the belief this team could contend, but it's clear the roster requires more talent infusion, and it might take two or more offseasons to get them.

In comment 11851656 eclipz928 said:

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of those blowouts just yet. This was Mcadoo's first time game-planning and calling plays for a regular season game, and it happened to be against what I think will be a very good Lions team. There's a lot that we can take away from this game but I need to see much more before determining that this fits into some kind of pattern for the Giants.

This I'm going to agree with......but the leash is short.

In comment 11851995 Mason said:

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It used to be the excuse for swoonball now swoonball comes early. Different faces same excuses.

So you think this is a talented OL? Good group of WR's? No issue with the TE's?

That season also opened with a MNF asskicking, 35-3 to the Cowboys. At least the Cowboys were a great team that ended up winning their third title in four years - this one was to the goddamned Lions....with Jim fucking Caldwell as head coach. Hard to sink much lower than that.

we just got blown out by the fucking Lions. The Lions. And they didn't even play that great of a game...

We are in deep deep shit. Get ready for an embarrassing year.

First TD only happened because of Detroit penalties. Easily could have been 37-7 or worse.

In comment 11852234 Greg from LI said:

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That season also opened with a MNF asskicking, 35-3 to the Cowboys. At least the Cowboys were a great team that ended up winning their third title in four years - this one was to the goddamned Lions....with Jim fucking Caldwell as head coach. Hard to sink much lower than that.

i get the cowboys opening game comparison, but to me it seems more like 1996 - in 1995 there was hope after the giants pulled off six straight wins to finish 9-7. dave brown looked like he was going to be the real deal. this year, expectations were muted after the brutal season last year, even with the offseason signings.

A few years of poor drafting coming home to roost. The Bardens and Beckums and Austins are now caught up.

I actually think the team has done a decent job in FA of turning Chernobyl into Three Mile Island, but that still isn't going to win anything.

I'm not drawing any new conclusions from last night...a brand new interior OL against those DTs was always going to be a problem.

These next two, though...gotta win these. If they lose either I'd agree with the mob that a 10-6 ceiling was probably too optimistic.

"A few years of poor drafting coming home to roost. The Bardens and Beckums and Austins are now caught up. "

but honestly, even if they squeak two ugly wins out, I still won't be sold that this team is ready to compete. I need to see good football out of this team to believe. I'll take ugly wins, but I won't believe in this team until they start playing good football. Something we haven't seen since October 2012.

I took the approach in the preseason that nothing mattered until the regular season. I was willing to give them some leeway and wait until the games count....last night was ugly...again. Hard to keep the faith anymore. But lets see where they are in 2 weeks.

The D is going to have to play extremely well. Fewell will keep running his soft zone BS out there...lovely..

I'm not gonna be sold they can compete with Seattle or SF, but in this dogshit division they could give the Eagles problems, I think.

We have to expect that their comfort level in the offense will improve, right?

In comment 11852340 Go Terps said:

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A few years of poor drafting coming home to roost. The Bardens and Beckums and Austins are now caught up.

Lots of good thoughts here but this is to me is the most pertinent and succinct. Nearly half the players Reese has drafted over the past 5 years (45%) are out of the league. Not moved on, filling depth/ST spots on other teams. Deemed not good enough to play in the NFL by virtue of literally no interest from the other 31 teams. There have been incredibly unfortunate events like Chad Wilson's accident and David Wilson's injury. But when almost half of your draft selections aren't actually good enough to play...thats a spectacularly bad number.

I reminded him. No it's not. Did you already forget last year and the year before that? This is becoming a regular thing.

In comment 11852379 Go Terps said:

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I'm not gonna be sold they can compete with Seattle or SF, but in this dogshit division they could give the Eagles problems, I think. We have to expect that their comfort level in the offense will improve, right?

Depends. Only if the OL improves. The guys on the interior are the question marks, yet Beatty and Pugh were god awful.

In comment 11852410 j_rud said:

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In comment 11852340 Go Terps said: Quote: A few years of poor drafting coming home to roost. The Bardens and Beckums and Austins are now caught up. Lots of good thoughts here but this is to me is the most pertinent and succinct. Nearly half the players Reese has drafted over the past 5 years (45%) are out of the league. Not moved on, filling depth/ST spots on other teams. Deemed not good enough to play in the NFL by virtue of literally no interest from the other 31 teams. There have been incredibly unfortunate events like Chad Wilson's accident and David Wilson's injury. But when almost half of your draft selections aren't actually good enough to play...thats a spectacularly bad number.

That's why every April I say the same thing: draft players, not positions. Outside of quarterback, kicker, and punter, it is not possible to have too many good players at a particular position. There's too much roster turnover to build up too much depth anywhere.

Reese has probably focused too much on WR, CB, and the DL when he maybe could have taken better players at less sexy positions (OL, TE). I don't think it's been a fireable offense...I'm just hoping he improves based on the experiences of the 2009-2012 drafts.

In comment 11852486 Go Terps said:

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In comment 11852410 j_rud said: Quote: In comment 11852340 Go Terps said: Quote: A few years of poor drafting coming home to roost. The Bardens and Beckums and Austins are now caught up. Lots of good thoughts here but this is to me is the most pertinent and succinct. Nearly half the players Reese has drafted over the past 5 years (45%) are out of the league. Not moved on, filling depth/ST spots on other teams. Deemed not good enough to play in the NFL by virtue of literally no interest from the other 31 teams. There have been incredibly unfortunate events like Chad Wilson's accident and David Wilson's injury. But when almost half of your draft selections aren't actually good enough to play...thats a spectacularly bad number. That's why every April I say the same thing: draft players, not positions. Outside of quarterback, kicker, and punter, it is not possible to have too many good players at a particular position. There's too much roster turnover to build up too much depth anywhere.

I wager that in 2015 you'll say the same thing again, and find that many disagree with you out of a belief that you have to account for need nearly as much as talent.

you do not have the horses to compete IMO. And by horses, I mean in the trenches.

You have to come close to winning the physical battle once in a while.

In comment 11852141 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 11851995 Mason said: Quote: It used to be the excuse for swoonball now swoonball comes early. Different faces same excuses. So you think this is a talented OL? Good group of WR's? No issue with the TE's?

What were the excuses when you thought there was better talent? 5 game winning streak to begin, then an unexplained 4 game losing streak, alternating games of wins and losses and a mad dash to try and rally. Lately swoonball comes earlier in the season. Nothing new to see here.

These games aren't even competitive come halftime. It's freaking embarrassing.

worst stretch in the last 15-20 years? Laughable. I guess you forgot to add the 2 Super Bowl wins in that same time-frame.

Gimme strength

forget my last post. I misread. derp

in the past 3 years. I'd like to plot that as a relational chart for reference.

The giants right now, this minute are one of the weakest teams in the league. We keep up at this pace and we could lose every game.

That said...and I agree this is alarming ... But let's puts something I perspective. They drafted beckham because even more the n OL they needed offensive weapons. Beckham not being able to go, is a huge blow. Imagine if rankle was the 3 and do a functional 2 pushing as a 1.

Let's wait until game 3 before rolling this in just like the rest of the crap we have see . Mic this is continuing as of game 3, meaning giants don't win one of the next 2, it is time to focus on big changes I personal.

That said, the worst stretch in 15-20 years? Not sure about that. We went 6-18 in a season and a half stretch from 03-04.