Half way through the game and it's clear we've got the worst OL in football.
Reese has done this Organization an injustice. Not sure the OL coaching is very good either. We haven't developed anyone the last 3 years. It's a really bad combo...
If the OL doesn't do a drastic turnaround we'll be lucky to win 3 games.
really bugs me is not just the physical mistakes, but the mental ones. But that comes with a line that hasn't played together. Someone stunts and no one picks it up!
i can only hope someone is tying you to a chair clockwork orange style to have to watch that abomination again, haha.
of the 11 men that line up for us on offense, 2 are above average...and it'd be a strong argument to say any of the others are even above replacement level (average) value. this is the least talent this offense has had top to bottom in a LONG time.
the pass rush on our side looked better the second time around (at least in 1st half) - not like Detroit versus our OL - but we got some decent pressure.
to go back to the draft threads but there were some heated debates between myself (along with a few others) and people who thought the Giants did enough to fix their o-line issues in the off-season.
They have one of the worst lines in football if not the worst. It's going to wreck the season.
really bugs me is not just the physical mistakes, but the mental ones. But that comes with a line that hasn't played together. Someone stunts and no one picks it up!
Eric did you get the the part where the RDE stunts up the middle and runs right past Walton? I mean jeez, one step right and he's blocked
will say I'm being an Eli apologist, but I was VERY harsh on him in the preseason.
But in this game, he had no chance.
And they have to stop throwing the football to Jernigan so much.
He had chances but unfortunately, Eli's mobility is at near nil. It's robotic. He made Stafford love like Spider-man. Eli has never been a superb athlete but man the amount of time it takes for him to drop back and scan the field is painful when you look around the league. The line will need to block longer just to get his feet set.
Gone are the days of Eli even trying to scramble for a run for positive yards.
but I kind of expected a poor OL performance against the loaded Lions DL. The Lions were not a good matchup at all for our revamped OL that is dealing with multiple new players and a new offensive scheme.
I don't expect our OL to become one of the better lines in the league, I still think it's the biggest weakness on our team. But Lions Week 1 always had the potential to be an ugly showing from our OL. I'll give them atleast one more week before I go to crazy on them.
when he signed John Jerry and Charles Brown? It's not a stretch to say they are the two worst linemen in the league. If you don't like Eli, cut him or bench him. Don't kill him.
And Beatty is a Reese double threat: Bad draft pick AND bad free agent signing.
How many games has Schwartz started again? How many years since Walton played a game? Holy shit with that group. If Eli's consecutive games streak is intact at the end of the year he should donate his body to science.
Sign a 2012 all pro offensive lineman this week after Mathis got hurt? (from ESPN)
"the Eagles signed veteran offensive lineman Wade Smith, linebacker Emmanuel Acho and offensive lineman Kevin Graf. Acho and Graf were on the Eagles' practice squad after spending all of training camp with the team.
The 6-foot-4, 295-pound Smith has 11 years' experience with four teams. He was named to the Pro Bowl after the 2012 season. Smith, 33, started 64 consecutive games at left guard for the Texans."
I will now go back in my corner and say repeatedly "In Reese we trust"
but look on the "bright" side ... at least nobody was as bad as Deterding (from 1998 or so?). Remember HIM??? Or that atrocious starting tackle in 2004 we had briefly ??? (He almost got Kurt Warner KILLED in that game at Giants Stadium vs. the Rams!!!!).
including the last SB run. DD and Kareem were not good tackles at that time. Boothe and Petrus were playing LG. I think this line has potential, but, as most figured, it would take time to get. By time, multiple games played. I also think those continuing to say that we should have taken Martin and Richburg couldn't be more wrong. Do they actually still think if Martin was in for Jerry the outcome would have been much different? How about if ODB Jr was on the field? Seemd to me that would make A LOT bigger difference. I think they got the draft right, and I believe TC was in agreement with Reese on the pick. Folks can blame Reese for the hammy issues, but that's just foolish.
There is nothing wrkng with concept. You cut ahead of a bubble to take down the DE to give the QB an angle. What is putrid is Zelmo's technique. He is so awful.
of improving the Oline?? smh.. Here's a guy who started and played well for Buffalo Seantrel Henderson who was picked up in the 7th Rd?!! But Reese didn't even take a chance in the late rounds on knowing how bad the Oline has looked?? smdh...
He was the best O Lineman we had in 2012, and was a key re-signing at the time. At what point does coaching have any role in these guys performing at a reasonable level??? Or did Beatty just get lucky all year long in 2012? Was or wasn't Schwartz an effective RG for a playoff team last year??? He comes here and looks iffy in pre season. Again, the GM or coaching. You guys bitch about neglecting the OL, we sign a top G in FA, draft guys in rounds 1 and 2, and it's like Jerry has done nothing. The Locklear pick up in 2012 was roundly critized, but worked out very well until he was benched in favor of Diehl and then broke his leg.
is half or mostly right. We have drafted OL, often high. We just can't coach/develop them worth a fluck. Brewer, Mosley, McCants, and how many other mid/late rounders...They go nowhere with our coaching. If TC and JR really are not questioning the coaching staff, then Mara needs to knock their heads together. It's the elephant in the bedroom by now (or however the cliche goes).
I must be a masochist!! This is by no means an excuse for O-Line, did anyone else notice Such holding two O-Linemen on a few occasions?? We still stunk the joint up!
but for a 7th rd pick come on?? How much risk do you really lose?? If he didn't pan out it only cost them a 6th or 7th rd pick! imo I would take that risk in a heartbeat especially knowing the Oline is lacking talent..
He was the best O Lineman we had in 2012, and was a key re-signing at the time. At what point does coaching have any role in these guys performing at a reasonable level??? Or did Beatty just get lucky all year long in 2012? Was or wasn't Schwartz an effective RG for a playoff team last year??? He comes here and looks iffy in pre season. Again, the GM or coaching. You guys bitch about neglecting the OL, we sign a top G in FA, draft guys in rounds 1 and 2, and it's like Jerry has done nothing. The Locklear pick up in 2012 was roundly critized, but worked out very well until he was benched in favor of Diehl and then broke his leg.
. Right after he was resigned Pat Kirwan pretty muh critiqued him and stated out right on Sirus he didn't think he was an NFL starter before last seaso. . Well I guess you know more than a former GM who's critique seems spot on. Yes he's coming off of an injury but Kirwan isn't the only one who doesn't think much of Beatty. Your assertion that he was very good in 2012 is an opinion. One which you can have but not one that I have to accept. And Reese gave the guy 8 million per year and he is uncuttable. So if your definition of key resigning means to totally hamstring your team with a 30 year old tackle who sucks then yes. He was a key resigning and a big reason this team will be picking very high again.
When I got to see him perform at the Senior Bowl. People don't want to believe it, but arm length is a real thing. As a tackle, if you can't get your paws on the defender first, you're toast. You will get tossed like a rag doll.
I kept my mouth shut last year when he had an OK season, but I'm really not sure if he's cut out to be a Tackle. DEFINITELY not an LT. Maybe he can be a good RT. He has a great mindset. It won't be from a lack of studying/preparing.
If I said it once, I said it a thousand times. This team needs to be really bad this year so we can infuse young, cheap, top tier talent. We're lacking those 3 things for the most part.
developing or making progress that's on the coaching staff. The Giants did draft and sign offensive linemen the last few years, but they have very little to show for it. At some point we have to hold the offensive line coach accountable.
I guess YOU know more than a two time SB winning GM and Coach. Do you think TC has no say in who he wants re-signed or not, coming over 2 SB wins in five years??? In your opinion he was not worth the re-signing - that fair enough, but why did he regress last year, is that on Reese??? Again, at what point does coaching start to become accountable? Did Kirwan slam the Schwartz signed too?
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute...lady.
Reese has done this Organization an injustice. Not sure the OL coaching is very good either. We haven't developed anyone the last 3 years. It's a really bad combo...
If the OL doesn't do a drastic turnaround we'll be lucky to win 3 games.
But in this game, he had no chance.
And they have to stop throwing the football to Jernigan so much.
And no, Richburg did not have a good game. I've seen that a few times on the board today.
i can only hope someone is tying you to a chair clockwork orange style to have to watch that abomination again, haha.
of the 11 men that line up for us on offense, 2 are above average...and it'd be a strong argument to say any of the others are even above replacement level (average) value. this is the least talent this offense has had top to bottom in a LONG time.
They have one of the worst lines in football if not the worst. It's going to wreck the season.
Eric did you get the the part where the RDE stunts up the middle and runs right past Walton? I mean jeez, one step right and he's blocked
But in this game, he had no chance.
And they have to stop throwing the football to Jernigan so much.
He had chances but unfortunately, Eli's mobility is at near nil. It's robotic. He made Stafford love like Spider-man. Eli has never been a superb athlete but man the amount of time it takes for him to drop back and scan the field is painful when you look around the league. The line will need to block longer just to get his feet set.
Gone are the days of Eli even trying to scramble for a run for positive yards.
I don't expect our OL to become one of the better lines in the league, I still think it's the biggest weakness on our team. But Lions Week 1 always had the potential to be an ugly showing from our OL. I'll give them atleast one more week before I go to crazy on them.
And Beatty is a Reese double threat: Bad draft pick AND bad free agent signing.
How many games has Schwartz started again? How many years since Walton played a game? Holy shit with that group. If Eli's consecutive games streak is intact at the end of the year he should donate his body to science.
"the Eagles signed veteran offensive lineman Wade Smith, linebacker Emmanuel Acho and offensive lineman Kevin Graf. Acho and Graf were on the Eagles' practice squad after spending all of training camp with the team.
The 6-foot-4, 295-pound Smith has 11 years' experience with four teams. He was named to the Pro Bowl after the 2012 season. Smith, 33, started 64 consecutive games at left guard for the Texans."
I will now go back in my corner and say repeatedly "In Reese we trust"
i'd take false start # 77 on this OL in a heartbeat.
. Right after he was resigned Pat Kirwan pretty muh critiqued him and stated out right on Sirus he didn't think he was an NFL starter before last seaso. . Well I guess you know more than a former GM who's critique seems spot on. Yes he's coming off of an injury but Kirwan isn't the only one who doesn't think much of Beatty. Your assertion that he was very good in 2012 is an opinion. One which you can have but not one that I have to accept. And Reese gave the guy 8 million per year and he is uncuttable. So if your definition of key resigning means to totally hamstring your team with a 30 year old tackle who sucks then yes. He was a key resigning and a big reason this team will be picking very high again.
And they have to stop throwing the football to Jernigan so much.
I was saying that while watching the game. Every damn pass to him. Ridiculous.
I kept my mouth shut last year when he had an OK season, but I'm really not sure if he's cut out to be a Tackle. DEFINITELY not an LT. Maybe he can be a good RT. He has a great mindset. It won't be from a lack of studying/preparing.
If I said it once, I said it a thousand times. This team needs to be really bad this year so we can infuse young, cheap, top tier talent. We're lacking those 3 things for the most part.