looked good last year, when comparing him to the other 4 guys.....but in preseason, and the first game, he definitely does not look like the same guy we saw last year.....arm length aside, he is getting beat....
He may have to be moved, in the future.....and that creates another hole....
I really think he's going to end up at guard. As I said, he seems to be chasing more than dominating his man.
I wonder if Schwartz eventually swings out to RT.........
Brewer was taken in the latter half of the fourth round, not the third. Reese hinted that if the Giants had owned their fifth-round pick, they might have waited until then to take Brewer, but they figured he'd be gone by round six and there wasn't much of a market for the pick. So they took him at #117.
You're right that Mosley was a fourth-round selection, but barely: he was a supplemental pick, #131. The real shame with Mosley was the loss of his rookie season. A third-year pro should be farther along. I'm not sure the Giants even know what they have in him.
Anyway, I agree with your basic point: the investment in the offensive line since 2011 has been roughly what you'd expect: plenty of money for Baas, Beatty, Schwartz and Walton, premium picks for Pugh and Richburg, and several Day Three picks for development. A lot has gone wrong, but it's not as though they haven't tried. Arguably, less wishful thinking went into this line than the one that dominated in 2007-8. Seubert and Diehl (at LT) were more improbable susccess stories than anybody on the current line.
The two least-awful (I couldn't bring myself to say best) O-linemen were Richburg and Pugh - and both of them need to get better just to suck. The other three ("see no d-lineman", "hear no d-lineman" and "look out, Eli") were even more offensive.
had some MAJOR off-field or weight/motivation issues, IIRC. If Reese had picked him, this board would have gone up in a mushroom cloud.
I actually wanted SH and thought he was a 3rd or 4th rd talent. He is huge but didn't complete his college Pro Day, he basically quit and walked off the field. That would turn teams off.
RE: It can't be more evident that the Giants sorely lack recievers
Eli was not running for his life for 60 minutes. There were plays where he had enough time for an NFL QB of his caliber to set and make throws, and these guys failed him. Neither INT was on him in my eyes. Donnell screwed up by not looking for the ball, not making himself a target for his QB.
Cruz stood in place and made no attempt to attack the ball. He let his defender cut in and take it away.
None of these WRs are doing right by him. Jennings dropped
a sure first down. Cruz dropped two. Randle barely even showed up. Only Donnell seemed to actually want to be there.
Agree with the Cruz INT being on him to an extent. He could have come back for the ball rather than just stand there but, it was a poorly thrown ball. The Donnel pass was thrown to early, that was totally on Eli.
how could anybody re-watch that game? Painful to watch it live...to look at again must be excruciating.
Other than a decent run defense, the Giant players looked like they haven't practiced football in years. Only a few key penalties by Detroit kept this from being a first half blowout, and only delayed the inevitable until the second half.
Look forward to see SOME progress this week...in any area.
he seems built for RT and Pugh for RG. I don't recall seeing that in the pre-season session of musical chairs. I would have been excited to see that, but, of course, Mosley was held out a bit.
He may have to be moved, in the future.....and that creates another hole....
I really think he's going to end up at guard. As I said, he seems to be chasing more than dominating his man.
I wonder if Schwartz eventually swings out to RT.........
You're right that Mosley was a fourth-round selection, but barely: he was a supplemental pick, #131. The real shame with Mosley was the loss of his rookie season. A third-year pro should be farther along. I'm not sure the Giants even know what they have in him.
Anyway, I agree with your basic point: the investment in the offensive line since 2011 has been roughly what you'd expect: plenty of money for Baas, Beatty, Schwartz and Walton, premium picks for Pugh and Richburg, and several Day Three picks for development. A lot has gone wrong, but it's not as though they haven't tried. Arguably, less wishful thinking went into this line than the one that dominated in 2007-8. Seubert and Diehl (at LT) were more improbable susccess stories than anybody on the current line.
And why is it everybody's hamstring is hurt?
I actually wanted SH and thought he was a 3rd or 4th rd talent. He is huge but didn't complete his college Pro Day, he basically quit and walked off the field. That would turn teams off.
Cruz stood in place and made no attempt to attack the ball. He let his defender cut in and take it away.
None of these WRs are doing right by him. Jennings dropped
a sure first down. Cruz dropped two. Randle barely even showed up. Only Donnell seemed to actually want to be there.
Agree with the Cruz INT being on him to an extent. He could have come back for the ball rather than just stand there but, it was a poorly thrown ball. The Donnel pass was thrown to early, that was totally on Eli.
Other than a decent run defense, the Giant players looked like they haven't practiced football in years. Only a few key penalties by Detroit kept this from being a first half blowout, and only delayed the inevitable until the second half.
Look forward to see SOME progress this week...in any area.