may in fact be very well done. No one can say for sure. This OL is so god awful, we have no idea where Eli stands.
I do think he deserves this year and next year to see if he can lite a spark. Because putting Nassib behind this shitshow of a line will not make matters better.
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steps up into the pocket and zips the ball into long and intermediate targets. He can throw slants and short stuff but it isn't his strength. But he doesn't have the mobility of many current QB's. So with a questionable line and average receivers, what's the answer? I dunno.he was pretty bad last year. Nicks didn't help.McAdoo has installed a AAron Rodgers offense where the QB moves around dodges,runs for first downs, buys time, and throws short stuff with quickness. This isn't Eli. Of course he will improve with more familiarity and Odell could be a big help.Just gottta keep going I guess. Hope that Cruz and Randle can get going. And let's get Corey Washington downfield.
Eli may in fact be very well done. No one can say for sure. This OL is so god awful, we have no idea where Eli stands.
I don't know how you can draw firm conclusions, good or bad, based off of his recent play. My own gut feeling is that he's declining but, like I said, he's clearly not being put in a position to succeed given the terrible talent on offense.
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He will succeed if we give him average OL and WR's..
He has already won 2 SB's with a weaker supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Ben..
weaker supporting cast than Brady? Maybe if you buy into spy-gate a s cast member, but otherwise the Giants never won with a RB like Antowain Smith or WR's like David Patten.
The OL is a huge problem. But.. it can also be the QB.
It doesn't have to be one or the other and it's entirely possible that our offense has looked so broken for so long now because the protection has been bad and Eli hasn't been much better.
True but before you even think about getting rid of a QB of Eli's caliber you sure better make that determination.
The one strength that you could point to when the Giants won their two most recent Super Bowls was Eli. For the life of me I can't understand how this front office has let the OL crumble around him so poorly knowing that they lived and died on the arm of Eli and his having time to make the big play.
If the OL was playing well and giving Eli consistent time in the pocket and his performance was this poor than I would place more blame on Eli. But at this point I have to see that happen before I assume that he no longer has the ability to preform even if he had the proper protection. He has earned that much from us.
And I still think Phil Simms was better. You can throw whatever stats at me you want - playing QB was a helluva lot tougher before defense was basically outlawed and the league was watered down via free agency.
Like dep said, there's no way to say either way is true.
I do think it's going to be time to move on soon, but that's because rebuilding with an aging QB taking up so much cap space is going to be extremely difficult.
Eli used to be known as a QB who makes his receivers better Â
Kevin Boss - well regarded in NY, flopped elsewhere
Jake Ballard - more than serviceable in NY, flopped elsewhere
Steve Smith (although yes, he was injured and rushed back too quickly by Philly) - Pro Bowl WR in NY - flopped elsewhere
Marcellus Bennett - Dallas not really sorry to see him go, parlays year in NY with a long-term deal in Chicago
Now take away any semblance of an offensive line, and Eli loses that reputation.
I like Eli and I have supported him through the years (like that matters), but I firmly believe another quarterback can win in NY too.
The OL needs upgrading, the skill positions need strengthening, and TE needs to be addressed - and that's just on offense, but that takes time and cap resources, and Eli has one year left on his contract before he'll need a major investment in cap resources to stick around - it's a real crossroads.
In building a roster if I had a choice between the two-time MVP winning franchise best 35 year old QB or a blue chip prospect it takes some balls but I'd probably go with the prospect if it meant i could improve the team elsewhere.
there are a number of factors to consider and money is pretty high up there. Eli is the #1 paid (2014 cap hit) QB in the league, that impacts the money to spend at other spots and then every QB doesn't live to play in their peak to 40 years old like Peyton. It's definitely possible at 33 years old Eli is starting to break down. 35 it would be even less surprising.
I don't have the answer. I could 100% support keeping Eli around, but I can also 100% support going in another direction.
I don't think people need to be attacked or insulted for not pretending to 100% know what the future will hold for Eli personally (even with a good line and weapons) or his replacement.
I think, if done respectfully, it's an interesting conversation.
RE: Eli used to be known as a QB who makes his receivers better Â
Kevin Boss - well regarded in NY, flopped elsewhere
Jake Ballard - more than serviceable in NY, flopped elsewhere
Steve Smith (although yes, he was injured and rushed back too quickly by Philly) - Pro Bowl WR in NY - flopped elsewhere
Marcellus Bennett - Dallas not really sorry to see him go, parlays year in NY with a long-term deal in Chicago
Now take away any semblance of an offensive line, and Eli loses that reputation.
Right premise, poor examples.
Boss retired due to concussions.
Ballard never played after tearring up his knee in the SB
Rather than say those players flopped elsewhere, I think it's fair to say that Eli pulled the most out of ordinary players while they were here.
Steve Smith was nothing special, but Eli made him the Giants all-time reciever in yards for a single season.
The TE position was plug and play for years due to Eli.
and I've noticed it since last year's game in Carolina. The quarterback position in the NFL depends in large part on the effectiveness of the offensive line and support from a productive set of skill players. No quarterback, be it RGIII or Tom Brady, can overcome large deficiencies at these positions.
Due to these complications Eli is left with two options: 1) take what the defense and his offense gives him
2) take calculated risks with the football in an attempt to overcome talent deficiencies
Option 1 prescribes taking care of the football and not attempting to force the football down the field if plays are not there. Unfortunately, with the dearth of talent up front and at the skill positions, this option also means that the Giants will struggle to ever move the football. Three-and-outs, balls thrown away each series, etc. The Giants simply will not put up many, if any, points by simply taking what the defense gives them. Last season's game against Carolina epitomized this type of play to me; Eli had thrown 7 int's in the previous two games and was lambasted by the media for forcing the football, so instead he tries to take what the defense gives him and is sacked 7 times while not moving the football whatsoever.
Option 2 dictates that at certain points of the game Eli will attempt to take calculated risks in an effort to help create scoring chances that otherwise would not be there. Throwing 50/50 balls downfield to taller or speedier receivers, throwing across his body, trying to fit the ball into a tight window under pressure rather than throwing it away. In my opinion, last weeks Cruz interception was a classic case of Eli looking to create something...anything...because otherwise we were headed for another lost possession.
All interceptions are not created equal; last week's interception in the endzone thrown by Romo was much more egregious than his long ball to Dez Bryant in which the safety made a great read. Eli's toss to Cruz, while desperately attempting to get something going for the offense was still more bothersome than a miscommunication with Donnell (who I'd imagine was the guilty party).
So really, for all of the flack that folks want to heap at Eli, what plays would you have had him make last weekend? I'd welcome someone to cite specific downs and periods within the game in which Eli missed open receivers when not under considerable duress. Its easy to claim that the Giants lost so Eli performed poorly but for many of us football fans we'd prefer for someone to actually dig a bit deeper and show exactly what Eli COULD HAVE done under the given conditions that would actually constitute a "good" performance.
As I see it, Eli is in a lose-lose situation where he is forced to choose between one option in which the Giants will most likely never score or another option which will lead to turnovers.
LOL, yeah didn't he set a NY Giants season record for most catches before injuring his neck. Yeah nothing to see there.
Did you read what I wrote? I said he was nothing special, yet Eli set the single season all time Giants recieving record with him.
Meaning, he didn't have anything particular special about him, yet Eli pulled an incredible season out of him.
Do you think he would have had the season he had here in '09 with another team/QB? I hate the term #1 WR, but that exactly what he was that season, here. I don't think he could get that production anywhere else, which was in accordance to the premise of the post I was responding to.
If he had stood there at the end of last season and said the "we have one of the best QB's in the league and we have not done our job in providing him with the proper protection required to succeed but that will be fixed" instead of his "the offense is broken" garbage the perspective and narrative from that point would have been much different, at least in my opinion it would have been.
IMO Mara didn't show the patience required to properly assess the entire organization and made a mistake that forced a turning point in the organization that only time will tell if it benefits it or not.
A second round draft pick, and someone whose route-running was praised by none other but Jerry Rice, yet for some reason it's become accepted wisdom around here that he was just some random nobody who would have been nothing without the almighty Eli Manning.
Injuries or not, name one Giants reciever or TE that has gone on to a better career after leaving here?
Remember when Eli would be nothing without Plaxico and how we HAD TO HAVE Braylon Edwards for Eli to be successful, that he needed that tall WR or he was dead in the water. Boom, next season, Steve Smith record season. How about Shockey going down, we were doomed. How about Boss leaving, we're screwed. How about Hakeem Nicks? What's his career looking like now, right, wrong, or indifferent.
At some point, you have to give Eli at least partial credit for making some of these guys...
If that classifies him as "almighty", then I guess it does.
I think Eli helps his receivers, but at the same time, how many were drafted and were not worth their draft picks? Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Jerrel Jernigan, so far Ruben Randle, etc.
I think Eli helps his receivers, but at the same time, how many were drafted and were not worth their draft picks? Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Jerrel Jernigan, so far Ruben Randle, etc.
I'm not sure what you're point is, but a lot of those names have had big games under Eli, and then disappeared into obscurity. That's kind of the argument I'm making.
This helps with defenses throwing 6 DB's out there. You either need a little more time in the pocket for receivers to find an opening or the ability to be smart with quick short throws. Eli's inability to move around in the pocket and buy more time and throw on the move really hinders him in todays game. Then the panic takes over ana bad decision is in the making.
Smith - catastrophic knee injury that ended his career a handful of games after leaving the Giants
Boss - multiple concussions that ended his career two years after leaving the Giants
Ballard - catastrophic knee injury, never played in another NFL game after the Super Bowl
Manningham - another knee injury. Was a likely first round pick if not for character issues. Considered an underachiever even when playing with St. Eli.
Tyree - are you serious? Special teaser who never was more than a fourth receiver anyway. If anything, he made Eli with the amazing helmet catch, not the other way around.
Nicks might end up being your best argument, but one game into his Colt career seems a mite quick to say so, doesn't it? In any case, he started to implode when his QB was......Eli Manning, of course. And, again, Nicks was a highly regarded first round pick.
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I'm just saying at some point you've got to give Eli credit for making some of these guys.
Also, if you don't recall, David Tyree had a 3 TD game against the Bill Parcells coached Dallas Cowboys, Eli's first win (and first 4th quarter comeback win) in 2004.
You really had better not be one of the people bitching about how Eli has no one to throw to since, using your logic, it doesn't matter who the receivers are - the magic of Eli will make them great!
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and my point was not to diminish Steve Smith as a player. I still have gifs on my computer saved of him juking Cowboys out of their cleats. His route running was outstanding.
If I could have worded it better, like you I would have said he was not a naturally, athletically gifted, elite type reciever, but that's exactly what Eli pulled out of him in 2009. A record breaking season.
BB 56 wrote a nice thread which I really agreed with everything he I said, so this is along those lines. I come to this site because, I have moved away from NJ but miss discussions with Giant fans. I miss East Coasters in general, when I meet one out west I recognize them instantly. The tell you how they feel , their wear their emotions on their sleeves, you know where you stand with them. Once you earn their trust, they have your back, no questions asked. The friends I still have from NJ would give me half their last dollar. Best fucking people on the planet.
WTF is happening back there? This guy has 2 superbowls since 2007 and has given us some of the best sports memories any fan has ever had or likely ever will have. Beating an undefeated super team with a last second drive? Drilled into the turf play after play in SF championship game and getting up? Hasn’t missed a start, stage 2 separated shoulder, plantar faciitis ect? All class says the right never going to cause a controversy, will never embarrass us. This guy has been anything anyone can ask for.
I will stand behind this guy until he can’t move his arm. He fucking earned it. I expect better of you people. Until he has an opportunity to learn this offense and this offensive line has an opportunity to gel he should get the benefit of the doubt. Calling for him to be replaced, you embarrass yourself. Adversity doesn’t build character…It is revealed through adversity. How you act when the chips are down and things or when things don’t go your way says every single thing I need to know about your character or it’s obvious lack there of. Start acting like the men I know you can be…Show some class.
He will succeed if we give him average OL and WR's..
He has already won 2 SB's with a weaker supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Ben..
weaker supporting cast than Brady? Maybe if you buy into spy-gate a s cast member, but otherwise the Giants never won with a RB like Antowain Smith or WR's like David Patten.
Those offenses weren't great. Let's not as like they were.
To be fair, I think around here Eli gets more credit for amazing plays than the WR's do. Don't get me wrong, the Manningham throw was an amazing throw that took an incredible amount of skill and accuracy, but the catch was also anything but routine.
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the Vast Wasteland, the playoff dearth that awaits after Manning leaves.We got lucky in getting Manning as soon as we did after Simms. Look at some other franchises. A couple are lucky like SF and GB to get one good QB after another. Most get a good one, a real good one every 25 years or so. Before Aimms was Tittle, and that was quite a stretch.Don't count on Getting someone like Manning sooner, or maybe ever.He's probably the best QB NY ever had.I think it's hysterical listening to all these people calling for his head like they think the next guy is going to be better. after he goes it's gonna be like the dolphins after Montana left. The are still waiting for a decent QB 22 years later, and that's about typical for the average NFL franchise.I can't wait for all the jumping up and down and bitching about " How hard canit be to draft a decent QB" that's gonna still be going on 10 years after he's gone, and the people crying the loudest are gonna be the same schmucks that called for Mannings head.Speaking of heads, if you don't think Manning would do just fine behind a good OL with decent receivers and a TE that could at least catch and block adequately.Give him a running game, he'll take you right back the the playoffs.
Guy has no OL, and still you have guys going " yeah but,,,"as if somehow an absentee OL is something he's supposed to overcome while his receivers are dropping balls, his RBs can't catch out of the backfield and can hardly pass protect, he doesn't have a TE worth a damn, and frankly it's fucking amazing what a complete and total cock-up Reese has made of the roster.Noone outside of NY thinks Reese is a GM worth a shit.You'd have a lot more takers for our QB than you would our GM right now.
I do think he deserves this year and next year to see if he can lite a spark. Because putting Nassib behind this shitshow of a line will not make matters better.
I don't know how you can draw firm conclusions, good or bad, based off of his recent play. My own gut feeling is that he's declining but, like I said, he's clearly not being put in a position to succeed given the terrible talent on offense.
Treat him like it.
He has already won 2 SB's with a weaker supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Ben..
weaker supporting cast than Brady? Maybe if you buy into spy-gate a s cast member, but otherwise the Giants never won with a RB like Antowain Smith or WR's like David Patten.
It doesn't have to be one or the other and it's entirely possible that our offense has looked so broken for so long now because the protection has been bad and Eli hasn't been much better.
True but before you even think about getting rid of a QB of Eli's caliber you sure better make that determination.
The one strength that you could point to when the Giants won their two most recent Super Bowls was Eli. For the life of me I can't understand how this front office has let the OL crumble around him so poorly knowing that they lived and died on the arm of Eli and his having time to make the big play.
If the OL was playing well and giving Eli consistent time in the pocket and his performance was this poor than I would place more blame on Eli. But at this point I have to see that happen before I assume that he no longer has the ability to preform even if he had the proper protection. He has earned that much from us.
No but there have been people even suggesting Eli is done and threads like this are in response to that.
I do think it's going to be time to move on soon, but that's because rebuilding with an aging QB taking up so much cap space is going to be extremely difficult.
Jake Ballard - more than serviceable in NY, flopped elsewhere
Steve Smith (although yes, he was injured and rushed back too quickly by Philly) - Pro Bowl WR in NY - flopped elsewhere
Marcellus Bennett - Dallas not really sorry to see him go, parlays year in NY with a long-term deal in Chicago
Now take away any semblance of an offensive line, and Eli loses that reputation.
I like Eli and I have supported him through the years (like that matters), but I firmly believe another quarterback can win in NY too.
The OL needs upgrading, the skill positions need strengthening, and TE needs to be addressed - and that's just on offense, but that takes time and cap resources, and Eli has one year left on his contract before he'll need a major investment in cap resources to stick around - it's a real crossroads.
In building a roster if I had a choice between the two-time MVP winning franchise best 35 year old QB or a blue chip prospect it takes some balls but I'd probably go with the prospect if it meant i could improve the team elsewhere.
there are a number of factors to consider and money is pretty high up there. Eli is the #1 paid (2014 cap hit) QB in the league, that impacts the money to spend at other spots and then every QB doesn't live to play in their peak to 40 years old like Peyton. It's definitely possible at 33 years old Eli is starting to break down. 35 it would be even less surprising.
I don't have the answer. I could 100% support keeping Eli around, but I can also 100% support going in another direction.
I don't think people need to be attacked or insulted for not pretending to 100% know what the future will hold for Eli personally (even with a good line and weapons) or his replacement.
I think, if done respectfully, it's an interesting conversation.
Jake Ballard - more than serviceable in NY, flopped elsewhere
Steve Smith (although yes, he was injured and rushed back too quickly by Philly) - Pro Bowl WR in NY - flopped elsewhere
Marcellus Bennett - Dallas not really sorry to see him go, parlays year in NY with a long-term deal in Chicago
Now take away any semblance of an offensive line, and Eli loses that reputation.
Right premise, poor examples.
Boss retired due to concussions.
Ballard never played after tearring up his knee in the SB
Rather than say those players flopped elsewhere, I think it's fair to say that Eli pulled the most out of ordinary players while they were here.
Steve Smith was nothing special, but Eli made him the Giants all-time reciever in yards for a single season.
The TE position was plug and play for years due to Eli.
Due to these complications Eli is left with two options: 1) take what the defense and his offense gives him
2) take calculated risks with the football in an attempt to overcome talent deficiencies
Option 1 prescribes taking care of the football and not attempting to force the football down the field if plays are not there. Unfortunately, with the dearth of talent up front and at the skill positions, this option also means that the Giants will struggle to ever move the football. Three-and-outs, balls thrown away each series, etc. The Giants simply will not put up many, if any, points by simply taking what the defense gives them. Last season's game against Carolina epitomized this type of play to me; Eli had thrown 7 int's in the previous two games and was lambasted by the media for forcing the football, so instead he tries to take what the defense gives him and is sacked 7 times while not moving the football whatsoever.
Option 2 dictates that at certain points of the game Eli will attempt to take calculated risks in an effort to help create scoring chances that otherwise would not be there. Throwing 50/50 balls downfield to taller or speedier receivers, throwing across his body, trying to fit the ball into a tight window under pressure rather than throwing it away. In my opinion, last weeks Cruz interception was a classic case of Eli looking to create something...anything...because otherwise we were headed for another lost possession.
All interceptions are not created equal; last week's interception in the endzone thrown by Romo was much more egregious than his long ball to Dez Bryant in which the safety made a great read. Eli's toss to Cruz, while desperately attempting to get something going for the offense was still more bothersome than a miscommunication with Donnell (who I'd imagine was the guilty party).
So really, for all of the flack that folks want to heap at Eli, what plays would you have had him make last weekend? I'd welcome someone to cite specific downs and periods within the game in which Eli missed open receivers when not under considerable duress. Its easy to claim that the Giants lost so Eli performed poorly but for many of us football fans we'd prefer for someone to actually dig a bit deeper and show exactly what Eli COULD HAVE done under the given conditions that would actually constitute a "good" performance.
As I see it, Eli is in a lose-lose situation where he is forced to choose between one option in which the Giants will most likely never score or another option which will lead to turnovers.
LOL, yeah didn't he set a NY Giants season record for most catches before injuring his neck. Yeah nothing to see there.
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LOL, yeah didn't he set a NY Giants season record for most catches before injuring his neck. Yeah nothing to see there.
Did you read what I wrote? I said he was nothing special, yet Eli set the single season all time Giants recieving record with him.
Meaning, he didn't have anything particular special about him, yet Eli pulled an incredible season out of him.
Do you think he would have had the season he had here in '09 with another team/QB? I hate the term #1 WR, but that exactly what he was that season, here. I don't think he could get that production anywhere else, which was in accordance to the premise of the post I was responding to.
IMO Mara didn't show the patience required to properly assess the entire organization and made a mistake that forced a turning point in the organization that only time will tell if it benefits it or not.
Quite frankly, it's a ridiculous comment.
Injuries or not, name one Giants reciever or TE that has gone on to a better career after leaving here?
Remember when Eli would be nothing without Plaxico and how we HAD TO HAVE Braylon Edwards for Eli to be successful, that he needed that tall WR or he was dead in the water. Boom, next season, Steve Smith record season. How about Shockey going down, we were doomed. How about Boss leaving, we're screwed. How about Hakeem Nicks? What's his career looking like now, right, wrong, or indifferent.
At some point, you have to give Eli at least partial credit for making some of these guys...
If that classifies him as "almighty", then I guess it does.
sorry, you meant just during the Eli era.
How many have left period and were healthy?
I think Eli helps his receivers, but at the same time, how many were drafted and were not worth their draft picks? Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Jerrel Jernigan, so far Ruben Randle, etc.
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sorry, you meant just during the Eli era.
How many have left period and were healthy?
I think Eli helps his receivers, but at the same time, how many were drafted and were not worth their draft picks? Ramses Barden, Travis Beckum, Jerrel Jernigan, so far Ruben Randle, etc.
I'm not sure what you're point is, but a lot of those names have had big games under Eli, and then disappeared into obscurity. That's kind of the argument I'm making.
Smith - catastrophic knee injury that ended his career a handful of games after leaving the Giants
Boss - multiple concussions that ended his career two years after leaving the Giants
Ballard - catastrophic knee injury, never played in another NFL game after the Super Bowl
Manningham - another knee injury. Was a likely first round pick if not for character issues. Considered an underachiever even when playing with St. Eli.
Tyree - are you serious? Special teaser who never was more than a fourth receiver anyway. If anything, he made Eli with the amazing helmet catch, not the other way around.
Nicks might end up being your best argument, but one game into his Colt career seems a mite quick to say so, doesn't it? In any case, he started to implode when his QB was......Eli Manning, of course. And, again, Nicks was a highly regarded first round pick.
Name me one that did.
Also, if you don't recall, David Tyree had a 3 TD game against the Bill Parcells coached Dallas Cowboys, Eli's first win (and first 4th quarter comeback win) in 2004.
Jesus.
Guy has pretty much zero respect here. It sucks, if you ask me.
Yeah, the cap number is big but I don't think a lack of cap space is what is holding this team back. Poor drafting is.
He was quite special in that regard.
Elite, gamebreaking talent? No. But he was a very good player for us.
If I could have worded it better, like you I would have said he was not a naturally, athletically gifted, elite type reciever, but that's exactly what Eli pulled out of him in 2009. A record breaking season.
WTF is happening back there? This guy has 2 superbowls since 2007 and has given us some of the best sports memories any fan has ever had or likely ever will have. Beating an undefeated super team with a last second drive? Drilled into the turf play after play in SF championship game and getting up? Hasn’t missed a start, stage 2 separated shoulder, plantar faciitis ect? All class says the right never going to cause a controversy, will never embarrass us. This guy has been anything anyone can ask for.
I will stand behind this guy until he can’t move his arm. He fucking earned it. I expect better of you people. Until he has an opportunity to learn this offense and this offensive line has an opportunity to gel he should get the benefit of the doubt. Calling for him to be replaced, you embarrass yourself. Adversity doesn’t build character…It is revealed through adversity. How you act when the chips are down and things or when things don’t go your way says every single thing I need to know about your character or it’s obvious lack there of. Start acting like the men I know you can be…Show some class.
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He will succeed if we give him average OL and WR's..
He has already won 2 SB's with a weaker supporting cast than his brother, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Ben..
weaker supporting cast than Brady? Maybe if you buy into spy-gate a s cast member, but otherwise the Giants never won with a RB like Antowain Smith or WR's like David Patten.
Those offenses weren't great. Let's not as like they were.
The NE teams won then because of their defense.
To be fair, I think around here Eli gets more credit for amazing plays than the WR's do. Don't get me wrong, the Manningham throw was an amazing throw that took an incredible amount of skill and accuracy, but the catch was also anything but routine.
I'm not talking about single plays, though, I'm talking careers.
Guy has no OL, and still you have guys going " yeah but,,,"as if somehow an absentee OL is something he's supposed to overcome while his receivers are dropping balls, his RBs can't catch out of the backfield and can hardly pass protect, he doesn't have a TE worth a damn, and frankly it's fucking amazing what a complete and total cock-up Reese has made of the roster.Noone outside of NY thinks Reese is a GM worth a shit.You'd have a lot more takers for our QB than you would our GM right now.