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I feel sorry for Kevin Gilbride

Britt in VA : 9/10/2014 12:24 pm
Statements from ownership about how the offense was "broken", and "why did it take so long to find out Jernigan can play..." punctuated a dismal season in which it seemed all the blame was heaped at Kevin Gilbride's feet, and he was shown the door. Looking back now, I think it's safe to say that the offense wasn't broken, the personnel was. Doesn't matter if it's Ben McAdoo or Kevin Gilbride, last year's roster was set up to fail.

Now, don't get me wrong here... I have always wanted to see Eli in a new offense, not because I didn't like Gilbride (I was a staunch defender of his playcalling and results, here), but because I wanted to see Eli in a less complicated offense that was on par with what other QB's in the league run. I've always wondered whether Eli's high INT totals were the result of poor play, or the result of the miscommunication on offense of the WR's. I don't want to turn this into a complexity debate, I'm just going on what other QB's like Jim Miller, Tim Hasselback, and Kurt Warner said after leaving this offense, that it was the most complicated that they had ever seen...

So here we are... In my own case, I guess you could say it's "be careful what you wish for", because now you've got it. Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is now the direction on offense we're committed to going. I still am looking forward to seeing Eli in the new offense once we get it fully installed and some experience in it, provided our personnel can hold up. I think it may take a year or two before we reap any benefits from the change overall. So while I do feel bad for Gilbride, I know if there was EVER going to be a change, it had to be last offseason. I still think we get better as the season progresses. Young players, young line, new system. I'm hoping for a strong enough finish to this year, whether we make the playoffs or not, that we bring em' all back next year and give it the time it deserves to give it a true go.

Ultimately, though, I just think Gilbride was scapegoated last year, and didn't get the respectful exit he probably deserved, in hindsight.
if it takes  
MookGiants : 9/10/2014 12:26 pm : link
a year or two to reap any benefits McAdoo and Coughlin won't be here to see it.
RE: if it takes  
Big Blue '56 : 9/10/2014 12:28 pm : link
In comment 11853940 MookGiants said:
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a year or two to reap any benefits McAdoo and Coughlin won't be here to see it.


But many here are asserting it's a "two year" program
I don't see how you let McAdoo go after one year....  
Britt in VA : 9/10/2014 12:29 pm : link
barring a complete, and utter disaster of a season on offense.

If he finishes strong, he'll be back.
Good post, Britt.  
Rick5 : 9/10/2014 12:30 pm : link
You don't need to be a football genius to see that Kevin Gilbride was not the main source the Giants' problems last year. I am not a big fan of change just for the sake of change. Now we have a new OC with no proven track record of success as an OC (unlike Gilbride). If we're lucky, he'll turn out to be as good as or better than Gilbride, but there is no guarantee there. He may turn out to be worse. Time will tell.
I thought last year was on coaching (as did many)...  
drkenneth : 9/10/2014 12:30 pm : link
But as I look at this roster now: There isn't a lot of talent, especially on offense.

-None of our TEs would start anywhere else. Detroit has 3 TEs better than any of ours. Christian Fauria looked like Tony Gonzalez.

-Without ODB (who is a ?), we may have the worst starting WR duo in the NFL.

-Do I really need to talk about the O-line? It's one of the worst (if not the worst) in the league.

-Our FA signings have been an issue as well.

Talent is the issue. Drafting needs to get better. We've had some bad luck, no doubt, but this roster just plain stinks.
If you're firing McAdoo after Year 1,  
Ben in Tampa : 9/10/2014 12:35 pm : link
then Coughlin goes with him.
Gilbride got the shaft,  
That Said : 9/10/2014 12:38 pm : link
for sure. But somebody's head had to roll, I guess. Recent past indicates that this team's in trouble. It's going to take a lot more time to get it back on track.
Sad how this season...  
rocco8112 : 9/10/2014 12:39 pm : link
...the team is depending so much on a first round pick, a WR no less, a position that usually takes awhile before making an impact on the professional level.

My point is even with a full camp and no chronic leg problem the likelihood that Beckham would have a major impact was small. The way it stands now, I doubt he makes any impact at all.

There is no reason to feel sorry for KG or any of the coaches.  
spider : 9/10/2014 12:39 pm : link
The offense was broken last year and it was time for KG to move on. We'll know in about 6 weeks if the move was the right one, or if the system / regime needs an overhaul.
I'm thinking this is the last year for JR, TC, PF, etal.

It takes nothing away from what was accomplished in the past, but the name of the game is WIN Now... and if they don't get it done, change is needed.

If you're not moving ahead, you're falling behind.
if coughlin isnt back  
MarshallOnMontana : 9/10/2014 12:40 pm : link
The coordinators go with him. The new guy isnt going to be force fed a staff

and if we dont make the playoffs this year it would be borderline criminal to retain coughlin, even if reese also deserves blame. No playoffs in 5 of the last 6 years at that point, and could have easily been 6 straight years if the division didnt suck so much in 2011

another down year and eli is in trouble too. Major changes are all on the table with another bad year.
While it's certainly true that . . . .  
TC : 9/10/2014 12:40 pm : link
the Giants have a lot of personnel problems, I can't buy that changing the offense has to be a two year process, or that who the OC is doesn't affect the rate of change.

Didn't we just watch the result of Mike Lombardi overhauling the Lion's offense in the same length of time that the Giants coaching staff has had?

We've watched teams go from cr@p to contender in one off season with a change of the coaching staff many times in the past. Some can get it done, and obviously, some can't.
Britt  
steve in ky : 9/10/2014 12:41 pm : link
I lost a lot of respect for John Mara with those statements and how it was all handled. I think he did more harm to the team than good also.
some of the same BBIdiots are complaining about McAdoo  
HomerJones45 : 9/10/2014 12:46 pm : link
it's the folks that believe in the magic "play" or "scheme" that will solve all ills.
I didn't mind the OC change. Nothing is forever.  
bceagle05 : 9/10/2014 12:48 pm : link
But John Mara's rants at the end of the season were that of a petulant child who needs to be sent to his room. "Fire Gilbride! He hasn't won me a Super Bowl in two years!" STFU, John, have a glass of milk.

Now the Giants are in no man's land. The rebuilding process should've started after 2012 when it was clear as day that the run was over. Instead we patched together a veteran roster in 2013 on the slim chance we could play a Super Bowl at MetLife (complete with Jerry Reese's Super Bowl Countdown Clock!!). Then we half-assed a coaching staff overhaul that will now require a second overhaul, and we're in limbo with a quarterback who can't be accurately evaluated because he plays behind a shit OLine with almost no weapons at the skill positions. Way to fix that "broken" offense, guys.
It starts with the Oline  
mrvax : 9/10/2014 12:48 pm : link
They suck right now, plain and simple. I'm hoping they just need more time together.
Kevin Gilbride?  
Paul from L.A. : 9/10/2014 12:48 pm : link
Is that what you’re upset about? Kevin Gilbride makes $100 thousand dollars a year. How much does your father make? See If your father can’t pay the rent go ask Kevin Gilbride and see what he tells you. Kevin Gilbride don’t care about you, so why should you care about him. Nobody cares
I said it many times...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2014 12:49 pm : link
that giants fans will all miss Gilbride when he's gone. I didn't realize it would be this immediate (but this being BBI, I should have known), but I'm fully confident several years down the road we will either talk about the "glory days" of the Giants offense, or how Gilbride's tenure led to a long run of success for the offense.
I'm pretty sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2014 12:50 pm : link
$100,000 a year isn't as much as you think.
Who cares how much money he makes?  
Britt in VA : 9/10/2014 12:52 pm : link
Fatman, totally with you.
RE: I'm pretty sure..  
Mad Mike : 9/10/2014 12:55 pm : link
In comment 11854011 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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$100,000 a year isn't as much as you think.

I'm pretty sure Paul from LA's reference isn't what you think.
I think anyone with any kind of logic...  
Johnny5 : 9/10/2014 12:57 pm : link
... firing in their synapses knew that Gilbride wasn't the problem last year. Each established offense and offensive coordinator has it's strength and weaknesses, many of which we can opine about over and over (the completion %, the amount of INTs, the boom or bust nature, the fact that if I saw one more shotgun draw on 3rd down my head was going to look like a scene from scanners, etc, etc, etc). Our existing offense (and also our existing QB) from last year needed some - *EVEN JUST A LITTLE WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT* actual competent blocking up front to work.

Amazingly enough, so does the current offense.

No blocky, no worky. AND, though the DL is clearly the better of the two, our lines on both side of the ball are fairly putrid.
RE: I said it many times...  
Rick5 : 9/10/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11854009 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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that giants fans will all miss Gilbride when he's gone. I didn't realize it would be this immediate (but this being BBI, I should have known), but I'm fully confident several years down the road we will either talk about the "glory days" of the Giants offense, or how Gilbride's tenure led to a long run of success for the offense.

I completely agree.
RE: I'm pretty sure..  
Rick5 : 9/10/2014 12:58 pm : link
In comment 11854011 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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$100,000 a year isn't as much as you think.

LMAO!
I'm no big Gilbride fan but fact is this is on  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/10/2014 12:59 pm : link
Jerry Reese completely. His failure to resurrect/rebuild the offensive line has caused all of these problems and is effectively ruining what should be the best years of Eli's career. That plus the no-show of Nicks and the lack of finding a responsible tight end.

Nobody else is to blame here except the front office and that means Reese. Football is still won in the trenches and we have done a terrible job of rebuilding our offensive line.

let's put the focus where it should be...right at JR's door.
Good post Britt  
Geeman : 9/10/2014 1:10 pm : link
KG should always be appreciated for the work he did here. However it was time for a change. This of course goes deeper cause I really believe that Reese has failed as a GM with the drafting and overall personnel. It doesn't matter who the Coach is if there isn't enough talent.
RE: I don't see how you let McAdoo go after one year....  
MookGiants : 9/10/2014 1:15 pm : link
In comment 11853946 Britt in VA said:
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barring a complete, and utter disaster of a season on offense.

If he finishes strong, he'll be back.


Britt, if they finish 6-10 or below, they are either forcing Coughlin to retire or firing him. The front office would likely go as well, it would be a total house cleaning. At that point it would be up to the new HC and new GM if they want to keep McAdoo. Hell he would have to want to stay as well.
RE: RE: I'm pretty sure..  
NYG007 : 9/10/2014 1:25 pm : link
In comment 11854034 Rick5 said:
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In comment 11854011 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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$100,000 a year isn't as much as you think.


LMAO!


Was that really over a parking spot?
RE: RE: I'm pretty sure..  
NYG007 : 9/10/2014 1:26 pm : link
In comment 11854026 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 11854011 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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$100,000 a year isn't as much as you think.


I'm pretty sure Paul from LA's reference isn't what you think.


Mickey Mantle doesn't pay my rent
come on Britt  
Giants11 : 9/10/2014 1:33 pm : link
you have to go and make an excellent well thought out sensible post and break up the great streak of utter garbage that was all over the sit for over a day? Why'd you have to go and do that?
Based on how Coughlin has been acting  
jlukes : 9/10/2014 1:37 pm : link
it is pretty damn clear that Gilbride did not retire. This was forced on Coughlin.
I've been told from Gilbride family members  
aimrocky : 9/10/2014 1:44 pm : link
that his retirement wasn't forced. In fact, last October I was told that he had been contemplating it for 2 years, mainly because he had been snubbed for several Head Coaching positions, and this was his final year. He stayed around because working with his son invigorated him. Not that it matters, because people will always believe ownership forced him out.

I don't want this to sound like I'm rooting for failure, but I'm glad most fans are starting to realize KG wasn't the issue. We have major talent problems.
giants haven't missed the playoffs  
djm : 9/10/2014 1:46 pm : link
over 3 straight seasons since 1994-1996. Vomit.
nearly 10 years of tape on Gilbride's offense  
SHO'NUFF : 9/10/2014 1:52 pm : link
the league had it figured out
this is an.....  
damdevs : 9/10/2014 2:01 pm : link
Organizational failure and not a single point of failure.

It starts with Reese and his staff. The last 3 years they have made colossial errors when putting this roster together.

If you look back at the recent OL draft picks and the FA guys that they've brought in they have for the most part are below average players.

There philosophy is off too. Too many reaches on measuraables instead of taking the solid football players. They need to stick production on the field instead of taking these reaches. They are striking out at an alraming rate compared to hitting a HR. It's almost like Reese is out-smarting himself with this idealogy.

I really really respect Coughlin and he is for sure a HOF coach. However, I think the coaching staff below him isn't very good.

McAdoo gets a pass. We just don't know that much about him and it's way too early to judge him.

Fewell, not a fan! Not one bit.

damn....  
damdevs : 9/10/2014 2:05 pm : link
hit submit while working by accident. I'll finish my thought later.
I'm listening to this thread, and not disagreeing with most  
Mark C : 9/10/2014 2:13 pm : link
of it. The Giants are in serious crisis. But... then I look around at the rest of the NFC East, and I think, how far-fetched would it be to think the Giants can win this division this year? Philly's Oline is decimated by injuries, Dallas can't stop anyone on defense (maybe not even the Giants), and Washington has what could very quickly fester into a nasty QB controversy.
If Gilbride didn't "retire"  
ghost718 : 9/10/2014 2:15 pm : link
That means the Giant response to what they saw last year was to fire the tight ends coach,and the running backs coach.

Problem solved

I think the hiring of McAdoo was a hail mary by Reese.



I don't.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 9/10/2014 2:18 pm : link
They went 2-2 in the red zone and got zero delay of game penalties. Getting the ball snapped on time isn't a talent issue.
RE: if coughlin isnt back  
Matt in SGS : 9/10/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11853976 MarshallOnMontana said:
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The coordinators go with him. The new guy isnt going to be force fed a staff

and if we dont make the playoffs this year it would be borderline criminal to retain coughlin, even if reese also deserves blame. No playoffs in 5 of the last 6 years at that point, and could have easily been 6 straight years if the division didnt suck so much in 2011

another down year and eli is in trouble too. Major changes are all on the table with another bad year.


One thing about this, the idea of a coach bringing in a whole new staff is not necessarily a foregone conclusion. We've seen in recent years that when teams fire the head coach, a coordinator is left in place. The Giants have not had a defensive minded head coach since Parcells (Handley, Reeves, Fassel, and Coughlin are all offensive coaches).

McAdoo was prevented from leaving the Giants' offices and was given the OC job, I'd have to think he was given some measure of guarentees (as much as they exist in this world). McAdoo might have been told that unless he goes Bill Sheridan on us, he will remain with the team in 2015 and continue to build his system. If things go really well for the Giants, he might set himself up as a head coach. If not, the Giants might look to go for a defensive head coach and part of the deal is the McAdoo is to be retained as OC.
Also people who are ready to can Reese have to understand something  
Giants11 : 9/10/2014 2:41 pm : link
roster decisions are not made in a vacuum. There is luck involved, and frankly the past few years we have had little to none. We took the field the other night with 2 of our last 3 #1 picks injured/retired. Has he made mistakes? absolutely, especially with the TE position and O-line. He's not the first GM in history though to go a year too long with vets he trusted and had won him a ton of games (Snee, Diehl). Again this is not to say he hasn't made mistakes he absolutely has, but besides the way Randle looks I'd stack his 1st/2nd rd. drafting record up there vs. most GM's over the past 7 years. Yes the 3rd rd. he seems to have had some bad misses. He is in the process of rebuilding the O-line. He drafted a tackle rd. 1 last year. a G-C rd. 2 this year and signed what many acknowledged to be the best guard on the FA agent market in March. It takes time. Beatty had to be given another year this year, you just don't pluck a top LT out of nowhere. If things bottom out this year and we are picking high enough you know that will be on the top of the list next May. The bottom line is that a GM who delivers 2 Super Bowl titles in his first 7 seasons is not getting shit canned. Not by this organization, nor should he.
How could you not  
NYGmen58 : 9/10/2014 3:00 pm : link
One of the best offensive coordinators in team history. He and Coughlin were given no talent last year (and even less this year).

Now we have McAdoolittle and his absurd scheme with guards lined up in the slot and a sieve for a line.

He deserved better.
RE: this is an.....  
damdevs : 9/10/2014 3:13 pm : link
In comment 11854208 damdevs said:
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Organizational failure and not a single point of failure.

It starts with Reese and his staff. The last 3 years they have made colossial errors when putting this roster together.

If you look back at the recent OL draft picks and the FA guys that they've brought in they have for the most part are below average players.

There philosophy is off too. Too many reaches on measuraables instead of taking the solid football players. They need to stick production on the field instead of taking these reaches. They are striking out at an alraming rate compared to hitting a HR. It's almost like Reese is out-smarting himself with this idealogy.

I really really respect Coughlin and he is for sure a HOF coach. However, I think the coaching staff below him isn't very good.

McAdoo gets a pass. We just don't know that much about him and it's way too early to judge him.

Fewell, not a fan! Not one bit.

Back to Fewell....he is way too conservative for my liking. We should be an attacking style D, especially with the personnel we've got, but we sit back in this bend don't break shit.

Anyone remember the 3rd and 25 late in the second quarter with the ball on our own 38 yardline this last game? Every LB and DB was 12 yards off the line of scrimmage. Outside of Thurman who was man up on Tate in the slot and released him so he could pick up the TE who ran out to the flat. Tate eventually makes the catch at the 25 where Rolle makes the tackle. Basically it was easy pitch and catch for 13 yards to give them a 42 yard FG attempt. Luckly Detroit missed the damn thing. But this is what I'm talking about with Fewell. Does he not value the 3 points that he was so willing to give up to the Loins? Really??? Really??? Fewell is a damn schmuck!

This D has a ton of talent on it. Secondary is as talented as I can remember. DL is solid up the middle, but we need JPP and Moore to step up the pass rush. Kiwi is a lost cause. The LBers are solid but not spectacular as a unit....as long as you get the miss tackling machine Williams off the field we should be good. Again, another all numbers guy who just can't play between the white lines.

It's inexcusable for any team to lay 35 points on us....zero! Especially with the personnel we have on the D-side of the ball.

Special teams....well they sure are Special. How Tom Quinn still has a job I've got no idea. Had one punt partially blocked and Weatherford was killed out there on another. Outside of the super poor coverages on kickoffs and punts since The Mighty Quinn took over I just don't get the loyalty towards him.


Giants are gonna need a new scapegoat  
bleeding_blue : 9/10/2014 3:25 pm : link
For the last few years we have wasted the talents of a HOF coach and (borderline) HOF QB by surrounding them with subpar talent particularly on the Offense.

Eli and Coughlin are far from being the problem, unfortunately if this season is the same as last year then someone will need to shoulder the blame (whether justified or not) and Coughlin at age 68 is probably the one to do so, just like Gilbride had to last year. Meanwhile JR continues to dine out on his 2 superbowls
RE: Also people who are ready to can Reese have to understand something  
damdevs : 9/10/2014 3:51 pm : link
In comment 11854313 Giants11 said:
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roster decisions are not made in a vacuum. There is luck involved, and frankly the past few years we have had little to none. We took the field the other night with 2 of our last 3 #1 picks injured/retired. Has he made mistakes? absolutely, especially with the TE position and O-line. He's not the first GM in history though to go a year too long with vets he trusted and had won him a ton of games (Snee, Diehl). Again this is not to say he hasn't made mistakes he absolutely has, but besides the way Randle looks I'd stack his 1st/2nd rd. drafting record up there vs. most GM's over the past 7 years. Yes the 3rd rd. he seems to have had some bad misses. He is in the process of rebuilding the O-line. He drafted a tackle rd. 1 last year. a G-C rd. 2 this year and signed what many acknowledged to be the best guard on the FA agent market in March. It takes time. Beatty had to be given another year this year, you just don't pluck a top LT out of nowhere. If things bottom out this year and we are picking high enough you know that will be on the top of the list next May. The bottom line is that a GM who delivers 2 Super Bowl titles in his first 7 seasons is not getting shit canned. Not by this organization, nor should he.

I'll give him the 2011 SB, but the 2007 SB is really on Ernie Accorsi.

All I'm going to say is he is directly responsible for the construction of this team. We've made the playoffs once in the last 5 years. Whether you like it or not, or have a boat load of excuses, it is what it is. And Reese needs to own that.

As a fan, all I want is for this team to be competitive. Nothing more nothing less. I don't expect us to win a SB every year or go to the playoffs every year for that matter. But what I do expect is that we're competitive and have the ability to make the playoffs. If you haven't noticed lately this team hasn't been very competitive the last few years....and this year is looking like more of the same.

Again...it is what it is!
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Go Terps : 9/10/2014 3:55 pm : link
You can count the people that didn't routinely motherfuck Gilbride on one hand. I always thought there was a latent disrespect based on that bitch Buddy Ryan throwing a punch at him. It was always bullshit.

That said, he's gone, and one game isn't enough to rate McAdoo. And even if this year goes bad (I'm not convinced that's happening yet), I think it will be because of poor drafting from 2009-2012, not because of the coach, coordinator, or quarterback.
Good post  
bignygfan : 9/10/2014 4:01 pm : link
Yeah obviously ownership was wrong.

Personnel is awful.

Who would want our linemen, TEs, Randle.

We got them.
where Gilbride was wrong last year was in not recognizing  
Victor in CT : 9/10/2014 4:04 pm : link
that they could not run their same offense with the offensive line in the shambles that it was. The wiser course would have been to adjust, shorten and simplify the routes in order to protect Eli.

I had my issues with some of his play calling over the years, thought he should have taken better advantage of their running game, but they moved the ball and scored, won 2 SBs with him there. And I do think he was made the scapegoat for the failures of the personnel dept.
It really makes you wonder what the plan is..  
Sean : 9/10/2014 9:38 pm : link
either keep the coaching staff in tact or clean house and start over. This wasn't a Gilbride issue, it is a talent issue.

Why force a new OC on Coughlin at this point in his career? The Giants won two Super Bowls under Gilbride's offense, I just don't see the plan.
RE: It really makes you wonder what the plan is..  
kepler20 : 9/10/2014 9:41 pm : link
In comment 11855152 Sean said:
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either keep the coaching staff in tact or clean house and start over. This wasn't a Gilbride issue, it is a talent issue.

Why force a new OC on Coughlin at this point in his career? The Giants won two Super Bowls under Gilbride's offense, I just don't see the plan.


1 name:

Marc Ross


just look at our drafts the last 5 years. It's putrid after the first round.
Feel sorry?  
Joey in VA : 9/10/2014 9:45 pm : link
For a guy with a 30 plus year coaching career with two super bowl rings? THere are many more things that deserve your sympathy.
Marc Ross  
arnief : 9/10/2014 9:59 pm : link
Is VP of talent evaluation. Jerry Reese is senior VP and GM. Chris Mara is senior VP of talent evaluation so that would be Marc Ross' boss correct? Is he going to be fired too when the front office is cleaned out? As far as Gilbride goes good riddance but he was scapegoated John Mara took the cowards way out. Tom Coughlin is the biggest problem the Giants have at this point. Bigger than the lack of talent which is glaring. The Giants have been one of the worst teams in NFL since mid 2012. The performance Monday night was embarrassing but nothing new. These road humiliations have been going on for a few years. The offense is scary bad. The defense is the softest zone in the NFL. Special teams? Punt blocked. Punt returner catching the ball on the 3 yard line. It's not the assistant coaches it's the head coach. Tom Coughlin is in an exclusive club. Giants head coaches that have won 2 Super Bowls. He'll go into the ring of honor where he belongs. But the run is over. It's been over since mid 2012. We'd all sign up for 2 Super Bowls in 10 years for the next coach. Time to get on with it.
The offense was broken,  
giantgiantfan : 9/10/2014 11:26 pm : link
the problem is that its still broken. Gilbride wasn't 100% at fault for this, there a few co-defendants that get to go on trial for the murder of the Giants offense.
I'm not saying something wasn't said to Gilbride  
Matt M. : 9/11/2014 12:39 am : link
But, I honestly believe his retirement story and that it was his decision.

As for the offense, I never thought it was offense that was the problem. It was a lack of OL, which is what Gilbride contended as well. The miscommunications were overblown, as almost all of them were from 1 player (Randle...and Manningham before him). In fact, I find the lack of communication and "same page" in the secondary a far worse problem and the wrong coordinator was shown the door, if you believe that is what happened with Gilbride.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 9/11/2014 6:12 am : link
While I respected Gilbride's time here, the fact is changes had to be made & I didn't have a problem with him going. I actually was a Gilbride apologist most of the time; it's not mutually exclusive-just because you wanted Gilbride gone, doesn't mean you thought he was root of all of our problems.
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