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Francesser saying Mcadoo is Mara's Boy and his hire.

Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 9/10/2014 4:09 pm
In turn, TC and Eli are bystanders in this GB like offense and they do not feel like they "own" this offense.


Francesser said it was weird for Mara to speak out after week one to keep the faith with Mcaddoo offense. He said it was atypical for Mara to speak out at this juncture of the season and indicates TC and Eli are separated from McAdoo and his offense
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with 20-20 hindsight  
area junc : 9/10/2014 4:50 pm : link
it's the only thing that makes sense:

(that's what the whole "go home and think about it/talk to Judy" stuff was)

We're bringing in a new offensive scheme - the exact opposite philosophical scheme you've committed your entire coaching career to. Are you in or out?

The crazy thing would be if Tom decided "out". Who the hell would be the Head Coach right now? Probably Perry Fewell.
and as colin Great Blue North  
area junc : 9/10/2014 4:51 pm : link
has pointed out, it raises questions as to what exactly Coughlin's role on the team is?

He doesn't know the current offense we're running.

He isn't in charge of it.

The writing is on the wall for both him and Eli, IMO.
This is yet..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/10/2014 4:52 pm : link
just another fishing expedition by one of BBI's biggest mouth-breathing cocksuckers.

And you guys have gobbled it up!
looks like Mara made a statement  
Blue Baller : 9/10/2014 4:53 pm : link
On the ray rice / rog goodell issue but didn't even bring up the giants

RE: looks like Mara made a statement  
okiegiant : 9/10/2014 4:55 pm : link
In comment 11854621 Blue Baller said:
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On the ray rice / rog goodell issue but didn't even bring up the giants


Some posters can't wait for something negative(even if not true).
RE: Francesser is never wrong about Giants..he usually has the pulse  
mfsd : 9/10/2014 4:56 pm : link
In comment 11854569 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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of the team.



Bahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Francessa hasn't had the pulse of the Giants since he got in a snit with Parcells, who stopped feeding him info after that
Wow  
Headhunter : 9/10/2014 4:58 pm : link
Let's just start making up stuff and post it, no link no source to verify, just turn this into a bigger train wreck
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arcarsenal : 9/10/2014 4:58 pm : link
I'm usually not a fan of Rich's trolling but this was a job well done.

Yup, Schlitz'd!
RE: RE: Interesting scenario.  
Great White Ghost : 9/10/2014 4:58 pm : link
In comment 11854553 jcn56 said:
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In comment 11854548 TMS said:


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Mara wants McAdoo as HC down the line. Gets Coughlin to stay one more year, take his last shot at another SB, and tutor McAdoo in the HC position. Next year finally unloads the incompetent Reese and brings in a new GM. I can live with that.



If that were the case, don't you think he'd unload the whole lot in one shot and let the GM pick his coach?
No

You unload them as the best replacement becomes avaulable. It may be they didn't think anyone that could do the job was available last offseason. Change for it's own sake is dumb. Change when you can upgrade, however....
mara  
SBlue46 : 9/10/2014 4:59 pm : link
Is cheap. .wont pay $$$ for top assistants. ..
Spags was only one and he was forced to...
why is fewell here? Where is Pope....
coaching sucks on this team
oline coach isnt great either
As Parcells would say  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 9/10/2014 5:03 pm : link
I got sucked. Should have seen it was our resident troll.
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arcarsenal : 9/10/2014 5:03 pm : link
The Giants spend up to the cap pretty much every year.. but Mara is "cheap"

LOLbossman
thanks big boy  
giantfanboy : 9/10/2014 5:04 pm : link
he is wrong about everything so now i am confident that Giants offense is going to turn around and be huge success
RE: RE: I call BS  
Great White Ghost : 9/10/2014 5:05 pm : link
In comment 11854605 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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In comment 11854568 BillT said:


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He's never been the type to interfere in that way. The Giants are a very business like organization. He's not stepping on his coach's toes like this.



I think we saw at the end of last year that he's clearly the type that likes to interfere in that way. He threw the coaches under the bus needlessly in that press conference and defended the front office without any real evaluation.

Perhaps my biggest fear going forward is that he's growing into a meddling owner and that if there is regime change he's going to be calling the shots more than he should.
if there ism going to be "regime change" then the owner/operator should absolutely be calling the shots.owning the team is what he does-he's the president AND CEO.the idea someone else should be calling the shots is silly.Especially if regime change means a new GM. Even if it didn't I have no conviction that Reese is better suited to hire a new coaching staff than Mara.
Mara is slowly  
natefit : 9/10/2014 5:07 pm : link
and deliberately moving this team in a new direction that includes Mac as HC, says a celebrated goodbye to TC and Eli is open based on his performance this yr imo.
RE: RE: I call BS  
BillT : 9/10/2014 5:07 pm : link
In comment 11854605 armsteadeatslittlekids said:
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In comment 11854568 BillT said:


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He's never been the type to interfere in that way. The Giants are a very business like organization. He's not stepping on his coach's toes like this.



I think we saw at the end of last year that he's clearly the type that likes to interfere in that way. He threw the coaches under the bus needlessly in that press conference and defended the front office without any real evaluation.

Perhaps my biggest fear going forward is that he's growing into a meddling owner and that if there is regime change he's going to be calling the shots more than he should.


He has a right and a responsibility to speak out about the success of the team. That's not the same as dictating coordinators so your first paragraph is BS.

And as far as a real regime change that is his job and his job alone so your second paragraph is BS.
sometimes, you have to save TC from himself  
SHO'NUFF : 9/10/2014 5:08 pm : link
otherwise, after having to force KG out, he would've hired some old buddy of his running a fossil of an offense from the 90's
Francessa spent the last  
tomjgiant : 9/10/2014 5:19 pm : link
half year telling us how it was,is, and will continue to be Tom Coughlin's offence
Not buying it....  
kinard : 9/10/2014 5:20 pm : link
... My guess is that if Coughlin didn't like the coordinator that Mara supposedly forced on him, he would have walked away and retired.

If Coughlin stubbornly continued to coach with a new guy calling plays who he didn't buy into then he's not as smart as many think he is and he would be doing a disservice to the entire organization.
whole lotta speculation on this thread  
Greg from LI : 9/10/2014 5:25 pm : link
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So is this attacking the post, not the poster?  
Britt in VA : 9/10/2014 5:29 pm : link
Or is posting blatantly false "news" not a bannable offense anymore?
He's a fat fuck  
blueblood'11 : 9/10/2014 5:30 pm : link
Who gives a shit what he thinks. All he does is sit on his fat fucking ass and give his opinion. Something we are all capable of doing. More then half the time he's wrong.

I have to laugh. People call to talk to him and then they thank him for taking the call. Really? He should be thanking them. And then he responds what's up in such a manner like its a bother to have to converse with the chump who had the nerve to call and then have to talk to him.

So much heavy lifting. It must be a killer for him.
Francesa has been lawst on the Giants  
drkenneth : 9/10/2014 6:17 pm : link
for years. He has no clue.

He's always said it was TCs offense.
RE: RE: RE: I call BS  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 9/10/2014 6:18 pm : link
In comment 11854668 BillT said:
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In comment 11854605 armsteadeatslittlekids said:


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In comment 11854568 BillT said:


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He's never been the type to interfere in that way. The Giants are a very business like organization. He's not stepping on his coach's toes like this.



I think we saw at the end of last year that he's clearly the type that likes to interfere in that way. He threw the coaches under the bus needlessly in that press conference and defended the front office without any real evaluation.

Perhaps my biggest fear going forward is that he's growing into a meddling owner and that if there is regime change he's going to be calling the shots more than he should.



He has a right and a responsibility to speak out about the success of the team. That's not the same as dictating coordinators so your first paragraph is BS.

And as far as a real regime change that is his job and his job alone so your second paragraph is BS.


His right, sure. Just like its Jerry Jones' right to pretend to be a real GM. His responsibility? Since when is it an owner's responsibility to publicly question the playing time of a particular player? That wasn't business like in addition to being poor evaluation.
It's been clear to me that Mara is way more involved in football  
baadbill : 9/10/2014 6:22 pm : link
operations than most people realize ... and that interference is undoubtedly negative (as it always is with owners) ... to the extent it's true, it increases the liklihood that the golden era of Giants football is over and won't likely be back until the mantle is passed to a new Mara who stays the fuck out of football decisions.
umm .. very doubtful Francesa said any of this today  
micky : 9/10/2014 6:38 pm : link
unless proven by audio.
So Rich, did you just make this up?  
okiegiant : 9/10/2014 6:47 pm : link
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Owners  
Boo57 : 9/10/2014 6:54 pm : link
With the exception of men like George Halas or Al Davis, coaches who became owners... When an owner involves himself with "on the field" operations, the team will suffer.

If Mara wants Reese as his GM, then he should allow Reese to hire the HC and the HC to hire the assistants.

Perhaps Mara admires Jerry Jones. If so, the Giants will play like the Cowboys.
there is this...  
Jon from PA : 9/10/2014 7:03 pm : link
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rom his office about 20 yards above the Giants practice facility in East Rutherford, it’s easy for Mara to be blinded by what he has accomplished, especially when the noon sun pounds the generous window space and fills the dark room with bright light.

But Mara is always thinking about what happens next.

When the team made an aggressive push for offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo this past offseason — an unusual move for the typically insular Giants — some around the league thought this was the owner’s way of securing a successor to Coughlin.

"Coach in waiting," said one league source in a text to The Star-Ledger. "Some see him (McAdoo) as the next Andy Reid."

When asked if that was the dream scenario, Mara nodded.

"I think it’s certainly in the back of your mind (when making the decision), but I’d hate to anoint anyone before they’ve even called a play in a regular-season game," he said. "We also have some other coaches on this staff that I think are qualified. So I’ll say the real dream scenario would be to have several guys who make it a very tough decision for you."


which could have fueled some of this
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Poor Fewell  
spike : 9/10/2014 7:04 pm : link
had no chance.
I guessed this at the time  
RetroJint : 9/10/2014 7:34 pm : link
"If you can beat them, join them." There is only one football family that thinks in those weird constructions. John Mara, talent evaluator extraordinare. Would not surprise me at all.
Sounds like John Mara  
Steve in South Jersey : 9/10/2014 7:38 pm : link
has become the meddling owner that Wellington was during the dark days before George Young.
RE: well..someone should tell francesser he is wrong  
djm : 9/10/2014 7:51 pm : link
In comment 11854574 Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 said:
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if true, I thought it was a damaging statement he made in the early afternon


You're kind of full of shit. Francessa speculated or floated this theory. He never said anything was definite.
I heard the show today  
djm : 9/10/2014 7:53 pm : link
Mike wondered if Mara made the hire and thrust mcadoo on coughlin and Eli.

Move along. Nothing to see here.
RE: Sounds like John Mara  
Peter in Atlanta : 9/10/2014 8:36 pm : link
In comment 11855003 Steve in South Jersey said:
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has become the meddling owner that Wellington was during the dark days before George Young.


Looks like you're not bright enough to see this is another bullshit post by Rich Houston. No basis in fact. Nothing to back it up but you're willing to say shit about Mara because of it.
I'm very surprised  
arnief : 9/10/2014 9:17 pm : link
how little mention there is in all these frustration threads about Chris Mara becoming Senior VP of player evaluation in 2011. John Mara doesn't need to "meddle" in the football decisions his brother is making them. Chris has wanted to be the GM of the Giants for a long time. He almost got the official title when Ernie retired. In 2011 he was "promoted" to the same level as Jerry Reese senior VP. Jerry Reese has the GM title but how much authority can he have with draft picks, free agents and roster decisions when one of the owners has the title Senior VP of player evaluation? So it appears Chris Mara has inherited the Wellington Mara talent evaluation gene. George Young must be rolling over in his grave.
RE: I'm very surprised  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/10/2014 9:54 pm : link
In comment 11855126 arnief said:
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how little mention there is in all these frustration threads about Chris Mara becoming Senior VP of player evaluation in 2011. John Mara doesn't need to "meddle" in the football decisions his brother is making them. Chris has wanted to be the GM of the Giants for a long time. He almost got the official title when Ernie retired. In 2011 he was "promoted" to the same level as Jerry Reese senior VP. Jerry Reese has the GM title but how much authority can he have with draft picks, free agents and roster decisions when one of the owners has the title Senior VP of player evaluation? So it appears Chris Mara has inherited the Wellington Mara talent evaluation gene. George Young must be rolling over in his grave.


The problem with this post is that it assumes a whole bunch of things.

Like, you're implying that he's only got the job because of the name.

And, that he doesn't know what he's doing.

He's been in talent evaluation for a long time, and for as much as you want to make a big deal of the Giants' mistakes, they've also gotten a lot right.
Chris Mara  
arnief : 9/10/2014 10:04 pm : link
has the job because his name is Mara. He has the job for the exact same reason John Mara has his job. Everyone is screaming that the Giants have no talent and he's the highest ranking talent evaluator in the organization since 2011. But Jerry Reese and Marc Ross are the problem and need to be fired? Doesn't make sense to me.
RE: Chris Mara  
kepler20 : 9/10/2014 10:15 pm : link
In comment 11855181 arnief said:
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has the job because his name is Mara. He has the job for the exact same reason John Mara has his job. Everyone is screaming that the Giants have no talent and he's the highest ranking talent evaluator in the organization since 2011. But Jerry Reese and Marc Ross are the problem and need to be fired? Doesn't make sense to me.


Because Reese pulls the trigger on all the picks, and Ross weighs in heavily on every single prospect.

It's one thing to make draft decision based on bad scouting. it's another to make decisions where you ignore your scouts.

If we keep failing, rest assured we'll find out which is going on real quickly.
RE: I think Coughlin is stuburn  
Joey in VA : 9/10/2014 10:27 pm : link
In comment 11854593 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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and is insisting we try to run run run, when the west coast offense is all about opening the run up with short passes. So yeah i think there is some validity to the statement.


Stuburn? You spell it stuburn? You can barely string together a post, who cares what your opinion is?
Must mean  
That Said : 9/10/2014 10:39 pm : link
sunburn. Right? You know, TC being of Irish descent and all.
Joey  
steve in ky : 9/10/2014 10:40 pm : link
Really mocking someone for misspelling a word? That is out of character for you.
RE: He's a fat fuck  
Sonic Youth : 9/10/2014 10:49 pm : link
In comment 11854741 blueblood'11 said:
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Who gives a shit what he thinks. All he does is sit on his fat fucking ass and give his opinion. Something we are all capable of doing. More then half the time he's wrong.

I have to laugh. People call to talk to him and then they thank him for taking the call. Really? He should be thanking them. And then he responds what's up in such a manner like its a bother to have to converse with the chump who had the nerve to call and then have to talk to him.

So much heavy lifting. It must be a killer for him.

This is so true, but his hubris is so god damn entertaining it actually makes him hilarious and such an impressive, never ending source of unintentional comedy that he literally has a cult following (see francessacon bar crawl)...
Assuming this year is a down year  
oipolloi : 9/10/2014 11:20 pm : link
The Giants will almost certainly let TC go, partly because they have to see Eli with another coach before making a decision on him.

But I don't think we should right off the Giants just yet. The OL has to come together for them to have a successful season but that can sometimes happen more quickly than you would expect
The Giants drafts have been very poor in recent years  
oipolloi : 9/10/2014 11:23 pm : link
so while I don't think we can just blame Chris Mara, I do think it has to be considered as a possibility
replay mikes show today from 1pm to 1:30pm..he mentions all that I  
Rich Houston-NYG-WR-1971 : 9/10/2014 11:31 pm : link
saidin my post
Shut the fuck..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 9/11/2014 7:32 am : link
up you fetid cumstain
To  
dorgan : 9/11/2014 7:48 am : link
recap, we've got the village idiot making shit up and the fake insider backing him up.

Very impressive.
It's a sad day indeed when Rich in Houston  
gidiefor : Mod : 9/11/2014 7:59 am : link
sponsors the front page and has the majority of posts on the board -
and GiantFilthy got banned  
Headhunter : 9/11/2014 8:03 am : link
for nonsense. This guy drags an eagle through a parking lot posts a picture and gets a lifetime pass to do whatever it he does, I'm not sure it's trolling, but it is devious. Don't tell not to open his threads, when you accuse the owner of the team of something, you read it
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