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Eric loves the Dallas Oline

Headhunter : 9/11/2014 8:55 am
My question is there 1 starter on the Giant OLine that would start on the Dallas OLine?
Eli would love it as well  
eli4life : 9/11/2014 8:56 am : link
Just saying
pugh >> Free  
GIANTSr01 : 9/11/2014 8:57 am : link
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RE: pugh >> Free  
dep026 : 9/11/2014 8:57 am : link
In comment 11855511 GIANTSr01 said:
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Not really.
for all the grief we project on Jerry Jones as a GM  
AnnapolisMike : 9/11/2014 8:58 am : link
He might have more talent on that team than the Giants have. Certainly on offense with the exception of Romo whose back may be ending his career.
RE: for all the grief we project on Jerry Jones as a GM  
BigBlueShock : 9/11/2014 9:02 am : link
In comment 11855517 AnnapolisMike said:
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He might have more talent on that team than the Giants have. Certainly on offense with the exception of Romo whose back may be ending his career.

And the Giants have much more talent on defense. Dallas' defense is a joke. I love how everybody cherry picks what other teams have done well and ignores their utter failures.

And dep, you have been WAY too rough on Pugh. He was very good last year. Started off a bit slow, but really was very good as the year went on. I'm not sure how you've decided to pick him out of the crowd, but you have a hard on for him for some reason.
They were opening some major holes  
UberAlias : 9/11/2014 9:03 am : link
for Murray.
Dallas does have a good OL  
BigBlueShock : 9/11/2014 9:05 am : link
but San Fran's defensive front 7 has taken a major step backwards, too.
Yeah, they have a really good OL..  
arcarsenal : 9/11/2014 9:05 am : link
..and a really bad defense. They're an 8-8 football team for a 4th consecutive year.

Doesn't exactly sound like a team heading in the right direction.
8-8 if things go well  
BigBlueShock : 9/11/2014 9:09 am : link
and they have no defense and an aging QB with a huge contract. Plus, we've all witnessed how quickly a OL can age and fall apart. By the time the rest of the team catches up with the OL, it will be too late
Their O-Line  
Bernie : 9/11/2014 9:09 am : link
has three 1st round picks and took 4 years to build. Up until this year, the Cowboy line was not very good. I am going to give benefit of the doubt to Pugh and Richburg that they are going to develop into good players. If Beatty and Schwartz can regain their forms and this line can get some cohesiveness, then they will have a chance to be just as good.
I think I will wait a few weeks  
GFL in WV : 9/11/2014 9:13 am : link
before opining on who is good and who is bad. The Giants as bad as they looked were up against the "assumed" best D line in football. If the Lions' D tears a few more teams a new asshole then we know this is true. If they play average or roll over for other teams we know it isn't and the Giants are worse, if that is possible.

Conversely, if the Giants play much better against assumed other not quite as good d lines over time we can assume the Giants O line is better, hopefully, than we thought after getting mauled by the best.

All this choosing who is good and bad after one game mystifies me, as it takes time to see who the "good" teams are each year in modern football due to the rapid movement of players.

The one constant for me is, I hope dallas continues to suck. Their problem will be opposite of the Giants. A good O line but Weeden behind it may be as effective as a weak O line with Eli behind it. A wash overall and crappy for both teams.
Romo surprised  
Giants2012 : 9/11/2014 9:13 am : link
I think the Dallas OL is pretty good.

Surprised how poor Romo looked and he did have time to throw.
we should have drafted Zack Martin  
I Love Clams Casino : 9/11/2014 9:15 am : link
and left ODBJr to the Cowboys.

How different would things be right now?
Yes, Eli would love that OL  
JOMO25 : 9/11/2014 9:15 am : link
but also, our OL would love a QB who had a spec of athletic ability. Eli was never athletic, but he has turned into Kerry Collins minus the big arm.
I love it too.  
nicky43 : 9/11/2014 9:16 am : link
If Dallas had Eli they win the division hands down. If we had Dallas's line we'd be in great shape this year. Romo is having all the time in the world to throw it. Lucky for us, Romo stinks. Lucky for them that in spite of what a stupid GM Jones is, he's is obviously a much better GM than JR when it comes to identifying how important the O-line is.

JR has really screwed up this team. I feel very sorry for TC. If we get more than 4 wins this year it will be a freakin miracle!
RE: RE: for all the grief we project on Jerry Jones as a GM  
dep026 : 9/11/2014 9:16 am : link
In comment 11855530 BigBlueShock said:
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He might have more talent on that team than the Giants have. Certainly on offense with the exception of Romo whose back may be ending his career.


And the Giants have much more talent on defense. Dallas' defense is a joke. I love how everybody cherry picks what other teams have done well and ignores their utter failures.

And dep, you have been WAY too rough on Pugh. He was very good last year. Started off a bit slow, but really was very good as the year went on. I'm not sure how you've decided to pick him out of the crowd, but you have a hard on for him for some reason.


Actually, this post was more of a reference to Free. IIRC, he was outstanding last year as a RT.
RE: we should have drafted Zack Martin  
Ira : 9/11/2014 9:18 am : link
In comment 11855556 I Love Clams Casino said:
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and left ODBJr to the Cowboys.

How different would things be right now?


So, this past May, you knew ODB would injure his hammy and Martin would be healthy.
Nobody can predict injury, but I was surprised and angry  
Victor in CT : 9/11/2014 9:23 am : link
that they didn't take Martin. Again, nothing against Beckham, I just think that stocking the OL was more important.
RE: we should have drafted Zack Martin  
nicky43 : 9/11/2014 9:24 am : link
In comment 11855556 I Love Clams Casino said:
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and left ODBJr to the Cowboys.

How different would things be right now?


I agree with you but if JR had taken Martin at 1 he would have been too stupid to also take Richburgh at 2 and we CLEARLY needed both! The fact that he brings in Walton and then drafts another center shows he was totally thrown off his game if he ever even had one to begin with.

if we drafted Martin  
GIANTSr01 : 9/11/2014 9:25 am : link
we likely go elsewhere in rd 2 and don't have Richburg. Are people really ready to proclaim Martin that much better than Richburg after 1 game?

Dallas struck gold with Smith, who's arguably the best LT in the game. But while they're OL is stacked and their overall offensive is very good, their D is awful. And with Smith's new deal and Dez about to become a top 5 paid WR, their cap situation sucks.
RE: RE: we should have drafted Zack Martin  
GIANTSr01 : 9/11/2014 9:27 am : link
In comment 11855576 nicky43 said:
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I agree with you but if JR had taken Martin at 1 he would have been too stupid to also take Richburgh at 2 and we CLEARLY needed both! The fact that he brings in Walton and then drafts another center shows he was totally thrown off his game if he ever even had one to begin with.


No, it means:

1) Richburg was his highest rated interior OL who Reese and scouts felt could play OG or OC.
2) He was drafting Richburg for the long run and as insurance, 2 things people have criticized him for not doing in past seasons.
As talented as that offensive line is, weren't they down 28-3  
Ten Ton Hammer : 9/11/2014 9:29 am : link
in the third quarter last week?
No problem with how Reese handled the front of the draft  
BlueHurricane : 9/11/2014 9:31 am : link
Not picking up a tackle in the 3rd-7th was mind boggling.
The OL  
Doomster : 9/11/2014 9:32 am : link
does not play defense or throw the ball....
So Romo would have thrown 6 INTs if they weren't so good  
vibe4giants : 9/11/2014 9:48 am : link
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RE: I love it too.  
BigBlueShock : 9/11/2014 9:52 am : link
In comment 11855560 nicky43 said:
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If Dallas had Eli they win the division hands down. If we had Dallas's line we'd be in great shape this year. Romo is having all the time in the world to throw it. Lucky for us, Romo stinks. Lucky for them that in spite of what a stupid GM Jones is, he's is obviously a much better GM than JR when it comes to identifying how important the O-line is.

JR has really screwed up this team. I feel very sorry for TC. If we get more than 4 wins this year it will be a freakin miracle!


Again, and I don't see why this has to keep getting repeated...they have built that OL at the expense of the defense. That team is NOT winning the division with Eli. Just stop. That defense is historically bad, but that continues to get ignored by the love struck masses. I also love it how now, everybody on this site wanted Martin. I seem to remember Donald being the flavor of choice at the time. Martin had a few on this site calling for him, but not nearly as many as we've seen step forward this week after the OL struggled. Oddly enough, we hear nothing about Donald anymore. Everybody now wanted Martin.
This team needs  
Mike L. : 9/11/2014 10:27 am : link
a top WR right now more than a RG. Mosely will be back this week. The line needs a chance to play together for a while, adding Martin would not change that. Having a threat opposite Cruz would be huge. We also need Fewell to get his head out of his ass on third and long.
RE: RE: we should have drafted Zack Martin  
andrew_nyg : 9/11/2014 11:30 am : link
In comment 11855576 nicky43 said:
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and left ODBJr to the Cowboys.

How different would things be right now?



I agree with you but if JR had taken Martin at 1 he would have been too stupid to also take Richburgh at 2 and we CLEARLY needed both! The fact that he brings in Walton and then drafts another center shows he was totally thrown off his game if he ever even had one to begin with.


Yeah, well he was too stupid to take a solid OL in the 1st so I don't know how one has anything to do with the other.

The real POINT here is, that the Giants should have gone OL in rounds 1 AND 2....and not fucked around in free agency with guys like Charlie Brown.
Zack martin  
kepler20 : 9/11/2014 1:14 pm : link
Our draft board should've been

Martin
Donald
CJ mosley
ODB
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