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SB : 9/11/2014 11:23 am
On in a couple minutes. I'll transcribe the best I can.
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Please do, thanks.  
Britt in VA : 9/11/2014 11:24 am : link
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Listening  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/11/2014 11:28 am : link
also
Question on Defense  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:31 am : link
Broken plays, not nearly as bad or mysterious as made out. CJ beat giants on corner or slot blitz. Stafford and CJ read hot read, Giants gambled, and CJ went to hole where blitzer was.
Giants didn't finish, Moore missed sack  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:32 am : link
...there's no way in the world he should have made sack. That TD should not have happened because no way Moore should have made sack.

Bad pass rushing technique, and not finishing. Should have "gotten home" and they didn't.
Giants passrushers didn't finish plays that is  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:33 am : link
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Dottino says  
MikeN in Ottawa : 9/11/2014 11:33 am : link
Point form...

- starts with D...says Megatron read blitz and found hole and that is why he was so wide open. Giants had pressure but didn't finish...cites Damontre Moore missing Stafford which led to Megatron 1st TD.
Q: Why take 2 time champion and bring in totally new OC  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:34 am : link
...that changes everything?

Dottino: I question why they scrapped whole playbook. KG shouldn't have gone, should have tweaked playbook, not scrap it.
they have to get better, or an ugly season  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:35 am : link
(duh...)

Can't make truly final evaluation until all evidence in. Only partial evidence now.
Might not know till first week of October  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:36 am : link
...to know what's what with offense. Think Giants will be 2-2 in first 4 games, and arrow has to be pointing up. Not 2-2 and staggering.
Wait a minute  
blueblood'11 : 9/11/2014 11:36 am : link
If the Giants defensive backs don't run into each other that touchdown never happens. How you blame Moore is beyond me. He pressured hi and got juked. It happens to the best of them.
Thought we would lose to Lions  
BlueHurricane : 9/11/2014 11:37 am : link
Thinks we will beat Cardinals.
why a WR and not OL in draft?  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:38 am : link
Dottino: WR is thin, wanted Beckham to be part of "elixir." Hoped Manningham would be Manningham of old.

Randle has ability, but doesn't show it in games. He has to mature. He's NFL player, has to understand how to be a professional.

RE: Wait a minute  
BlueHurricane : 9/11/2014 11:39 am : link
In comment 11855929 blueblood'11 said:
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If the Giants defensive backs don't run into each other that touchdown never happens. How you blame Moore is beyond me. He pressured hi and got juked. It happens to the best of them.


That coverage was so far blown before the guys ran into each other. Watch the gif that is floating around. Megatron gets a five yard lead on the two DB's well before they ran into each other. The only way to stop that play from happening was to have Moore make the tackle.
The first Lions TD is on Stevie  
JonC : 9/11/2014 11:39 am : link
he's the FS, his responsibility is to be deeper than the deepest receiver, he blew his assignment, misread the adlibbing by Megatron, etc.
Weatherford will try to punt after resting  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:40 am : link
...ankle looking better. Rest now, try to punt on Friday, he will kick on Sunday of things look good.

If can't test it on Friday, they have a short list of punters to fill in.

If on Sunday Weatherford goes down, Brown will punter. Nassib will be holder (never done that before).

RE: Wait a minute  
Curtis in VA : 9/11/2014 11:40 am : link
In comment 11855929 blueblood'11 said:
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If the Giants defensive backs don't run into each other that touchdown never happens. How you blame Moore is beyond me. He pressured hi and got juked. It happens to the best of them.


No, he should have made the sack. There were two errors. Him whiffing on Stafford and the DB's running into each other. He made the first error. He had a clean shot at Stafford and instead of using proper technique, he got carried away (which he even admitted) and just lunged at him. That play is on Moore before its on the DB's.
Thinks Giants will beat Cardinals  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:41 am : link
Cardinals have no running threat, and Giants DBs will clean up their act.

Plus, Eli has proven that he can make good decisions when blitzed.

J. Abraham retiring hurts Cardinals. And that's that.
Thanks.  
Britt in VA : 9/11/2014 11:41 am : link
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Not giving the DB's a pass.  
Curtis in VA : 9/11/2014 11:41 am : link
The blame is shared by both them and Moore. But Moore definitely played his part.
Yeah  
blueblood'11 : 9/11/2014 11:42 am : link
I saw that but they blew the coverage. Moore doesn't know that. He has his back to the play. If they don't blow the coverage Stafford has no one to throw it to eve though Moore got juked
So Moore has indeed been made the scapegoat  
Mason : 9/11/2014 11:42 am : link
by this coaching staff. SMH. Like clockwork, vets get protected and the young players get the blame. Just amazing.
Agree  
blueblood'11 : 9/11/2014 11:46 am : link
Moore needsto be on the field. He has a motor that never stops. Was very active in the preseason. So you bench a young and hungry player who may be your best pass rushing threat. Makes sense to me
RE: Randle  
chrispisano66 : 9/11/2014 11:47 am : link
"He's a good player but doesnt show it in games"

SUPER!
How many times do we have to hear this crap...  
SB : 9/11/2014 11:47 am : link
...broken plays... failed to execute... In other words, "I called the right plays, the players are the ones that screwed it up!"

Um, if you are calling zone blitzes that put Cullen Jenkins in pass coverage, and get burned, it's not the players' fault.
Ellington - RB  
Andy in Boston : 9/11/2014 11:50 am : link
isn't he a major thread for the Cardinals?
I would like to see Moore on the field more  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2014 11:51 am : link
this defense needs more speed in the front 7...

I will say one thing about JPP, he did not have any sacks but his strength and burst looked pretty good on Monday...just needs to get home on those Rushes more..

Ayers plays with a ton of energy but he is not the most skilled guy so he relies on his motor...

Jenkins and Hankins are pretty good combo in the middle...

The weak link is Kiwanuka and i am surprised we do not see Moore more than we did...

RE: Ellington - RB  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2014 11:52 am : link
In comment 11855976 Andy in Boston said:
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isn't he a major thread for the Cardinals?


Hurt and played less than 50% of the snaps on Monday night....missed practice Wednesday...
ellington is hurt  
Gordo : 9/11/2014 11:53 am : link
may not play...
JonC  
Sir-Yes-Sir : 9/11/2014 11:54 am : link
that is really dumb. You don't blame every deep ball on stevie brown just because he's the free saftey and "should be back there". players have different responsibilities on different plays.

jesus.
had it with fewell  
area junc : 9/11/2014 11:56 am : link
i fully expect larry fitzgerald to be running wide open this weekend like we have no clue who he is
I played both safety positions  
JonC : 9/11/2014 11:57 am : link
I'm not wrong. If you watch the replay it's pretty obvious he's looking at Megatron and knows he got to cover him if he gets behind the CB. Basic stuff. Carl Banks said the same thing, fwiw.
RE: JonC  
nygiants16 : 9/11/2014 11:57 am : link
In comment 11855988 Sir-Yes-Sir said:
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that is really dumb. You don't blame every deep ball on stevie brown just because he's the free saftey and "should be back there". players have different responsibilities on different plays.

jesus.


IF you are the deepest safety 9 times out of 10 you have deep coverage meaning no one gets behind you...on the play he is the deepest safety so it is a safe bet he was supposed to be the deep guy...

RE: RE: JonC  
JonC : 9/11/2014 11:58 am : link
In comment 11855998 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 11855988 Sir-Yes-Sir said:


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that is really dumb. You don't blame every deep ball on stevie brown just because he's the free saftey and "should be back there". players have different responsibilities on different plays.

jesus.



IF you are the deepest safety 9 times out of 10 you have deep coverage meaning no one gets behind you...on the play he is the deepest safety so it is a safe bet he was supposed to be the deep guy...


Correct. Deeper than the deepest. If I had a quarter for every time I've heard a coach shot that nugget ...
On that play in particular, simply note where Stevie is  
JonC : 9/11/2014 12:00 pm : link
and where Rolle is. Stevie is deep, Rolle is up near the box, thus Stevie is the last line of defense. Go figure.
RE: How many times do we have to hear this crap...  
arcarsenal : 9/11/2014 12:04 pm : link
In comment 11855968 SB said:
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...broken plays... failed to execute... In other words, "I called the right plays, the players are the ones that screwed it up!"

Um, if you are calling zone blitzes that put Cullen Jenkins in pass coverage, and get burned, it's not the players' fault.


All the DC can do is put the player in a position to make a play. Moore was in a perfect position to make that a negative play by sacking Stafford and had him dead to rights. Instead he got juked out of his shoes.
RE: So Moore has indeed been made the scapegoat  
islander1 : 9/11/2014 12:05 pm : link
In comment 11855952 Mason said:
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by this coaching staff. SMH. Like clockwork, vets get protected and the young players get the blame. Just amazing.


Yeah, this smells just like David Wilson.
Moore shares blame...  
BillKo : 9/11/2014 12:06 pm : link
but heck, you can't bump off your own man and let CJ run free down the middle when you are the safety. Terrible decision making there...........

Heck, even LT missed Montana on a similar play, but Leonard Marshall cleaned up ;)
RE: had it with fewell  
BillKo : 9/11/2014 12:08 pm : link
In comment 11855994 area junc said:
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i fully expect larry fitzgerald to be running wide open this weekend like we have no clue who he is


Awww, c'mon............we'll get it together. One game doesn't make a season. I expect this defense to show significant improvement over the next few games.
RE: The first Lions TD is on Stevie  
MookGiants : 9/11/2014 12:09 pm : link
In comment 11855940 JonC said:
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he's the FS, his responsibility is to be deeper than the deepest receiver, he blew his assignment, misread the adlibbing by Megatron, etc.


This often happens with Brown. He gambles way too much while giving up his primary responsibility. It sometimes leads to turnovers, but it also leads to plays like the first CJ touchdown
RE: So Moore has indeed been made the scapegoat  
GIANTSr01 : 9/11/2014 12:10 pm : link
In comment 11855952 Mason said:
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by this coaching staff. SMH. Like clockwork, vets get protected and the young players get the blame. Just amazing.


Moore is the prime culprit on that play. However, they still need to get him on the field, especially the way Kiwi is playing.

RE: RE: The first Lions TD is on Stevie  
JonC : 9/11/2014 12:11 pm : link
In comment 11856037 MookGiants said:
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In comment 11855940 JonC said:


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he's the FS, his responsibility is to be deeper than the deepest receiver, he blew his assignment, misread the adlibbing by Megatron, etc.



This often happens with Brown. He gambles way too much while giving up his primary responsibility. It sometimes leads to turnovers, but it also leads to plays like the first CJ touchdown


Mook, yes indeed, that's why the miscomm is the secondary reared its ugly head, Stevie's back there.

Billko, 1 game?  
area junc : 9/11/2014 12:11 pm : link
no. same shit, different day
RE: RE: How many times do we have to hear this crap...  
Jacobs27 : 9/11/2014 12:17 pm : link

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All the DC can do is put the player in a position to make a play. Moore was in a perfect position to make that a negative play by sacking Stafford and had him dead to rights. Instead he got juked out of his shoes.


Wrong....a DC should also design a scheme that maximizes the talent of his players. So when you have cover guys like DRC and Amukumara sitting in a soft zone covering nobody and leaving Stevie Brown to cover Megatron you are not utilizing your players properly.

For years we've seen guys wide open on 3rd downs because of the soft zone we play on those downs and because of constant miscommunicaitons in our secondary. There is a reason we've been near the bottom in 3rd down conversions for the past few years.

The players keep chaining but Fewell is the one constant.
that tampa 2  
area junc : 9/11/2014 12:19 pm : link
on 3rd and long was disgusting, absolutely disgusting
I don't understand how Moore is the culpret  
UberAlias : 9/11/2014 12:21 pm : link
He had a chance to make a big play and blew it. But are we saying the play design comes down to if Moore doesn't get a sack on this we give up a TD? If Moore was stood up at the line and useless on the play he would not be getting discussed, but because he beats his man but fails to finish, it's his fault. Great logic. He failed to save the day with a sack. But the play was blown because of bad coverage.
The problem with Tampa 2 is that it relies too much on getting sacks  
Mason : 9/11/2014 12:22 pm : link
And it does not take into account mobile quarterbacks. It just assumes that there will be a quick throw attempt, sack or a throw to the sideline. So tacklers have to be quick to ball for underneath stuff.
Meanwhile, slot blitz my ass...  
SB : 9/11/2014 12:22 pm : link
...this was a simple, 4 man pass rush.

also, note that DRC had CJ pretty well covered...  
SB : 9/11/2014 12:26 pm : link
...until it handed him off to Brown. For some reason, Brown was running downfield, towards the sideline, like he wanted CJ behind him. Why?!?
RE: RE: RE: How many times do we have to hear this crap...  
arcarsenal : 9/11/2014 12:26 pm : link
In comment 11856053 Jacobs27 said:
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All the DC can do is put the player in a position to make a play. Moore was in a perfect position to make that a negative play by sacking Stafford and had him dead to rights. Instead he got juked out of his shoes.



Wrong....a DC should also design a scheme that maximizes the talent of his players. So when you have cover guys like DRC and Amukumara sitting in a soft zone covering nobody and leaving Stevie Brown to cover Megatron you are not utilizing your players properly.

For years we've seen guys wide open on 3rd downs because of the soft zone we play on those downs and because of constant miscommunicaitons in our secondary. There is a reason we've been near the bottom in 3rd down conversions for the past few years.

The players keep chaining but Fewell is the one constant.


Weird, we were one of the best 3rd down defenses in football in 2010. He must have changed his defense.

And there's the "soft zone" buzzword again. Which I don't think people actually understand. They just say it because it sounds right.
Uber  
JonC : 9/11/2014 12:26 pm : link
You are correct, Sir.
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