There is one man and only one man who is responsible for this mess. Rather than list out all the mistakes I think this article puts it very succinctly.
as currently constructed it would be hard to not have some loss of confidence in the ability of Reese as GM.
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Not sure you've thought this through all he way.
Reese has been with the Giants since 1994. He was head of scouting before he was GM. Every player on the 2014 Giants was signed under Reese. Every player on the 2011 Giants was signed under Reese. Every payer on the 2007 Giants was signed under Reese.
Perhaps, I am not even sure that removing him or anything like that would be an overall positive. I do think there is a difference though between being the GM, the top guy as opposed to some other role in the personnel process.
to many players on Offense that can't catch and can't run the correct routes. Not to mention they can't block. Eli has looked like crap the last two years, but look who he has around him. Randle is like I was wide open, well yeah Randle you were 3 rows up in the stands waving your hand, but that is out of bounds man!
Reese has done a good job with the Def, but horrible at bringing in talent at WR and OL.
I doubt Tom Brady would have looked any better if he and Eli had traded places.
I don't mind the premise, if it's well argued. But it feels like the author is so big on hyperbole that he fails to actually remember what he just hyperboled earlier in the article. Did the guy who wrote the 2nd half of it read the first half? A few key points:
1) YOU CANNOT REASONABLY POST HOW BAD A GM HAS DONE IN THE DRAFT WITHOUT POSTING A COMPARISON TO OTHER TEAMS/GMS. It's like saying "That baseball player sucks as a hitter, he's not hitting on 66% of his at bats!" The only reasonable comparison is how we're doing compared to other teams. AND as BBB pointed out in another thread, we've also not been picking in the top half of the draft, and certainly not top 10, on a regular basis like Detroit.
2) JR has been as good as anyone in NYG history I can think of at picking WRs. Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks were the first two WRs to make a pro bowl in NYG since Homer FING Jones. Cruz was a freakin' steal. He gets no credit there?
3) Don't tell me Reese didn't have much to do with the first SB. That's just revisonist history. First, he kept TC which he didn't have to do. Second, he held firm with Diehl at LT when the world (including many here) said that was a mistake and we'd never win a SB with DD at OT. Third, Steve Smith was a clutch player on 3rd down as a rookie. Fourth, he brought in Kawika Mitchell. Should I go on?
4) Don't tell me we haven't have good TEs since he was here. Ballard was surprisingly good. Black Unicorn was good, but he got offered a huge deal. I would agree we seem to have put too much faith in Robinson and Donnell it seems. But, Donnell showed signs of life, who knows.
5) He's made efforts to improve the line -- a bit later than he should have? -- I'd grant him that. But JR certainly saw the mistake and has TRIED to correct it. And when the author criticizes the current line he never mentions Schwartz. The line is not currently composed the way JR wants it, at least 1 key guy is out.
6) He questions securing the like DRC, Thurmon, etc. But, first we all know we had guys running free last year. And second, it's also a way you might help your pass rush by giving them an extra second. Bad showing Monday, but Megatron will make a lot of guys look bad. Let's see how we do going forward before Reese is shot for this move.
7) He talks about losing L Joseph and not about drafting Hannkins? Hankie's a stud.
8) JPP was a killer pick. If he's under-performing, that's not on the GM. Beatty is similar. A bigger question is why guys are not playing up to potential, not if they HAVE the potential because they showed they do. A GM's job is to get the guys who have the potential.
9) As others have said, injuries are not his fault. The "worlds worst hamstring" is just taking pot shots. It sucks, but it happens. Wilson might have been a good fit for this O, actually. Chad Jones, I guess JR should have hired a driver?
JR not above critique. But make your case intelligently and without the BS. He's cherry picking people and facts.
I'll just say this, only to humor a trolll thread for a moment...
I think Reese does a good job overall. I always think his plan of attack is pretty solid and that's what you can ask for, it doesn't always work out, but the Giants never seem like they are caught with their pants down. Or that they make a mess out of a ton of situations.
To me if it's more about the actual players being selected it's probably more of a scouting issue. I'd like to see Marc Ross replaced, and see what can happen under different scouting leadership. Reese may select the players, but it's with heavy input from Marc Ross and the crew (and the coaches later).
would say overall, Reese has done a poor job. C-. His drafts between 2008-2012 were pretty bad. A lot of his FAs didn't work out either. Very good draft in 2007, and the top half of the drafts from 2013 and 2014 have shown promise.
But here's who can absolutely save Reese: Nassib. If Nassib is the next QB of the Giants, and is a top ten QB, that will wipe out a lot of Reese's failures. The problem for Reese is that Nassib developing into such a QB is a long shot, despite his very good play this past preseason. It's like betting a huge amount on a 25-1 shot.
Was a very good draft and IMO was one of the main reasons why we won the Super Bowl that year. That was a long time ago now. As for 2011,we got hot at the right time but we were VERY fortunate(nice throw Romo!)to even make the playoffs and one cannot lose sight that we were only 9-7 and we won the last two games to get to 9 wins. The Giants were a mediocre team that season but fortunately played their best football once the playoffs started. On the whole,I don't believe that Reese has done a very good job and he misses on way too many high draft picks and right now we may be the worst team in the NFL. To me, that says it all. Coughlin, most likely,will not be back next year and I am all for really rebuilding with a new GM, coach,staff,and possibly new quarterback depending how this season plays out. Don't forget,Eli's contract is up after 2015. Anyone here thinks we should extend him?
injuries that were suffered by high draft picks for the Giants, along with many of the other players on the roster their isn't more of a questioning regarding the training staff and the players' conditioning.
As mentioned already, I don't understand how Reese can be held responsible for guys like Terrell Thomas, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Steve smith, and Kenny Philips no longer being in the league. Even guys like Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Travis Beckham, Jay Alford all suffered career altering injuries that put the Giants in the position where they had to make a tough decision on them.
Its no wonder why the Giants are being overly cautious with Odell Beckham. They clearly rushed David Wilson back too quickly, and I don't think they want to make that mistake again with another 1st round draft pick.
Wilson back too soon. He had a condition of the spine that was not a rest based injury. It was one that was unknown what the impact would be until he took contact. Once he took contact, it was determined that the worst case was a reality.
I agree that the Giants woes are a complicated question.....
if it was simply bad drafting the obvious solution would be to fire Marc Ross. However there may be a larger question of whether you agree with Reese's organizational philosophy, his valuing of certain positions over others, etc... I you don't than yes you can make a case for his dismissal.
In the past when the Giants have had a glaring need, Reese has usually been like a laser in fixing it. Case in point is the safety position and signing Antrell Rolle. This year the needs have seemed so many that he was forced to spread out a pretty good chunk of change to solve all of these needs. In doing so he may actually have filled very few.
RE: There is an interesting contrast this year....
In the past when the Giants have had a glaring need, Reese has usually been like a laser in fixing it. Case in point is the safety position and signing Antrell Rolle. This year the needs have seemed so many that he was forced to spread out a pretty good chunk of change to solve all of these needs. In doing so he may actually have filled very few.
Not sure I agree. He brought in several FAs for the OL and drafted Richburg. We shall see how that plays out..
He signed DRC, Thurmond, Demps for the secondary
Signed McClain as a LB and drafted Kennard
Signed Jennings and drafted Williams for RB
Holliday never saw the field
I think he addressed a lot of needs..Naturally, we'll have to see what kind of moves these turned out to be
sure made some questionable draft picks and FA signings that didn't pan out but the good moves far outweighed the bad.
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
Accorsi was an amazing GM who routinely overpaid marginal players and never won a goddamn thing. Nevermind the fact that he also busted out on several premium picks.
But Reese, who's delivered 2 SBs and put together one of the best drafts in team history needs to go?
Has also put together a string of bad drafts and currently has one of the worst,if no the worst roster in the NFL.How long does he get a pass. It's a what have you done lately for me job. Lately,he's been inadequate.
Draft pass rushers, corners and draft speed. Address other spots, especially the OL in free agency.
Ernie knew he had McNally to rely on and Reese had an OL coach he thought he could count on.
That philosophy has hurt this organization almost as much as it's helped. We have two rings but the toll is becoming steeper with every disappointment.
from the Giants other than being KG's son and going to Syracuse. I never thought of him as a hot commodity at Temple. When he replaced Sullivan that was a headscrather. I know Sullivan wanted to take him but was he that impressive as a video assistant? Was his work with Randle and Jerrigan so impressive that TC thought he could help the TEs? Just strange organizational decisions.
Accorsi had his share of wins, and the Eli trade secures his legacy. But for goodness sake, he missed a HELL of a lot.
The number of picks spent to get a RB and WR that didn't suck was astounding. And lets not forget an early round punter. Here are some EA winners: Sean Bennett, Joe Montgomery, Ron Dayne, Brian Alford, Ron Dixon, William Joseph, Tim Carter, Ike Hilliard (poor Ike), Jeff Hatch, etc. He too had some bad injury luck like any GM, but there was a strange love affair with Big10 skill players for reasons unknown. (Other than that one time, when he was caddying for good Ole Kasey Jones of the Lansing Lugnuts, and he once said...)
Accorsi was routinely crucified here and everywhere when he was GM far worse than Reese is getting now. Somebody above said this right. Reese was never that great ala In Reese we Trust. He made mistakes even during the better years. And, he's not as bad as the Reese Must Go crowd believes. but, Accorsi, for a major part of his career, was vilified like no one else.
I wonder how fans of say Tampa Bay or Jacksonville
reading this shit must think how fucking nuts we are
Unsurprising you picked the two franchises with the most fickle fans. I'm real sure they think much about their teams, much less reading giants boards.
talks these days. You can bet your ass, Reese hasn't made one move that he hasn't been involved with. Coughlin is the one thats going to be in trouble, if this isn't fixed.
They've changed the players. At some point, the coaches have to coach them. The players change and the OL performs the same? Its time to look at coaching.
You just asked if Eli Manning was a drug addict in the JPP thread, and I'm the troll? You are the nut worst poster here. I don't care if you were on the internet in 1994. You're just horrible.
There isn't much that I have learned
Through all my foolish years
Except that life keeps runnin' in cycles
First there's laughter, then those tears.
Reese had his UP cycle, perhaps ending when he put that Super Bowl countdown clock in the locker room. His opinion of his abilities may have gone a little bit too far.
Now he's having those tears. But he's a good GM. His next UP cycle might just bring the team back in a couple of years. Especially if he has some cap space room. I think that the lack of any cap between 2012 and 2013 resulted in a lot of forced bad personnel decisions.
I think that he's going to stay. To Mara, he was the GM for two championship teams. That inspires patience and loyalty.
But I hope he doesn't spend any premium draft picks on any players who had significant injuries in college.
with an injury that statement might have merit. When it is 6 to 8 high draft picks with injuries that have left them out of the game or severely limited, it is most definitely a valid observation.
Count me in the group that thinks Marc Ross is the main culprit
what it was like to have 1st round busts? You probably do, but you have to go back a long, long time. Or I guess you could say Wilson, but that's not really a draft issue.
It's so weird to hear these harsh criticisms of 3rd and 4th round picks when other teams -- even good teams and teams with really high picks -- on a regular basis.
I'd put Reese's 1st and 2nd round record (controlling for draft position) against just about anybody in the league.
And people really, really overrate the value of picks after the 2nd round. It really is a crapshoot once you get to the 3rd and basically a lottery when you get to the 4th and beyond.
Just like the Giants couldn't replicate the 2007 draft, I'd bet good money that teams like the Seahawks won't continue to mine gold late in the draft. Of course you need those guys to hit, but there's more luck involved in that than people typically recognize.
Even vaunted Seattle:
- James Carpenter (a guard) in the 1st round in 2011. Couldn't hold down a starting spot until this year. Might be good, but would've been getting killed on BBI
- 2nd pick in 2011 was an OL (John Moffit) who didn't play much for them and isn't on the team
- 4th round pick was Kris Durham who you might remember sucking as the WR opposite Calvin Johnson last year
Then in the 5th round they drafted Richard Sherman, top 5 defensive player in football.
Think about that. Richard Sherman was on the board for hours. This really smart front office (and I actually do think they're smart) decided to pick John Moffit and Kris f'ing Durham. Those FO guys probably sit around saying that they were really stupid and lucky. And this is the team with the best recent drafts in the league.
Try pulling up another good team like San Fran or Denver or Green Bay. Remember the opening night game when Green Bay's RT got hurt and their back came in and got completely shat upon? He literally couldn't block at all, and completely blew up the offense. Derrick Sherrod, 1st round pick in 2011.
RE: Count me in the group that thinks Marc Ross is the main culprit
Compare the 2003-07 drafts, when Reese ran the draft, to the drafts since 2008 with Ross running the draft. Enormous dropoff.
I agree with you. The pecking order of who will go is...
1. Ross
2. Coughlin/Eli
3. Reese
Now if they got rid of them altogether and started a massive restoration, I guess that will be fine.... but Reese isnt going anywhere until the prior 3 go first. Reese will get to choose his own QB and coach before he is fired. Whether its right or wrong.
Reese needs to go, but if we have a 3-13 type of year and get a very high draft pick, I'm not sure I'd feel confident having him in charge of such a critical draft.
Compare the 2003-07 drafts, when Reese ran the draft, to the drafts since 2008 with Ross running the draft. Enormous dropoff.
Greg,
I agree. I've said that before as well. As soon as he came aboard and ran the drafts as Director of college scouting, our drafts have sucked.
We know Reese can draft. He proved this when EA promoted him to Director of College scouting. Moreover, in 2007, he proved it again when he had to be GM AND do his Director of Scouting job.
Ross got promoted too if I am not mistaken. For what though? I am curious to what Marc Ross has done to get promoted especially since our drafts have sucked since he was hired.
quick to want changes. If it were up to most of the posters on BBI, Tom Coughlin would have been fired at the end of the 2006 season. In hindsight, that looks pretty smart, right? Reese has two SBs under his belt and one not all that long ago. I think you give him time to see if he can reproduce past successes. If we are still having the same discussion 3 years from now, then that is a different story. I think firing a 2X SB winning GM right now would be a pretty dumb move.
another article stuck on the bad luck of the Giants draft picks. It is about useful as writing an article on all the lottery tickets you have purchased over a five year period and pointing out you didn't win because you picked the wrong number.
Since football minds like Gettlemen have not been replaced and he allows himself and multiple family members cast votes for these players.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
You're right. I'd rather that the Giants be in the playoffs every fucking year & never win a SB until hell freezes over than them win a Super Bowl every 5 years. You'd be happier as an Eagles fan.
RE: I'm really happy to see a lot of reason chiming in on this thread
then again the 1st game I ever went to as a 10 year old people were burning tickets in the parking lot and the infamous "15 years of lousy football and we've had enough" plane flew over, in 1978. So I guess nothing should ever faze me as a fan.
You have a warped view of Giants history. That plane was a GREAT day in Giants history and was responsible for 4 SB trophies.
Just my gut feeling on it nothing more. I just can't help but think he has gotten too closely involved in the process and as a result doesn't see the entire picture as objectively than if he were purposeful to set himself apart from it.
Not sure what TTH and BB56 are talking about, but Mara explicitly stated after last season that HE was actively involved in who the Giants draft. While I've suspected it for a while, it made me very sad. I have the sense that everything that the Giants gained with George Young's independence has been tossed into the toilet and we are back to the "good old days of the 1970's" when the primary reason for the Giants failures was the fact the Mara family wouldn't let the football people run the team.
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as currently constructed it would be hard to not have some loss of confidence in the ability of Reese as GM.
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Not sure you've thought this through all he way.
Reese has been with the Giants since 1994. He was head of scouting before he was GM. Every player on the 2014 Giants was signed under Reese. Every player on the 2011 Giants was signed under Reese. Every payer on the 2007 Giants was signed under Reese.
Perhaps, I am not even sure that removing him or anything like that would be an overall positive. I do think there is a difference though between being the GM, the top guy as opposed to some other role in the personnel process.
I assume that the buck stops with the GM.
Reese has done a good job with the Def, but horrible at bringing in talent at WR and OL.
I doubt Tom Brady would have looked any better if he and Eli had traded places.
1) YOU CANNOT REASONABLY POST HOW BAD A GM HAS DONE IN THE DRAFT WITHOUT POSTING A COMPARISON TO OTHER TEAMS/GMS. It's like saying "That baseball player sucks as a hitter, he's not hitting on 66% of his at bats!" The only reasonable comparison is how we're doing compared to other teams. AND as BBB pointed out in another thread, we've also not been picking in the top half of the draft, and certainly not top 10, on a regular basis like Detroit.
2) JR has been as good as anyone in NYG history I can think of at picking WRs. Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks were the first two WRs to make a pro bowl in NYG since Homer FING Jones. Cruz was a freakin' steal. He gets no credit there?
3) Don't tell me Reese didn't have much to do with the first SB. That's just revisonist history. First, he kept TC which he didn't have to do. Second, he held firm with Diehl at LT when the world (including many here) said that was a mistake and we'd never win a SB with DD at OT. Third, Steve Smith was a clutch player on 3rd down as a rookie. Fourth, he brought in Kawika Mitchell. Should I go on?
4) Don't tell me we haven't have good TEs since he was here. Ballard was surprisingly good. Black Unicorn was good, but he got offered a huge deal. I would agree we seem to have put too much faith in Robinson and Donnell it seems. But, Donnell showed signs of life, who knows.
5) He's made efforts to improve the line -- a bit later than he should have? -- I'd grant him that. But JR certainly saw the mistake and has TRIED to correct it. And when the author criticizes the current line he never mentions Schwartz. The line is not currently composed the way JR wants it, at least 1 key guy is out.
6) He questions securing the like DRC, Thurmon, etc. But, first we all know we had guys running free last year. And second, it's also a way you might help your pass rush by giving them an extra second. Bad showing Monday, but Megatron will make a lot of guys look bad. Let's see how we do going forward before Reese is shot for this move.
7) He talks about losing L Joseph and not about drafting Hannkins? Hankie's a stud.
8) JPP was a killer pick. If he's under-performing, that's not on the GM. Beatty is similar. A bigger question is why guys are not playing up to potential, not if they HAVE the potential because they showed they do. A GM's job is to get the guys who have the potential.
9) As others have said, injuries are not his fault. The "worlds worst hamstring" is just taking pot shots. It sucks, but it happens. Wilson might have been a good fit for this O, actually. Chad Jones, I guess JR should have hired a driver?
JR not above critique. But make your case intelligently and without the BS. He's cherry picking people and facts.
To me if it's more about the actual players being selected it's probably more of a scouting issue. I'd like to see Marc Ross replaced, and see what can happen under different scouting leadership. Reese may select the players, but it's with heavy input from Marc Ross and the crew (and the coaches later).
But here's who can absolutely save Reese: Nassib. If Nassib is the next QB of the Giants, and is a top ten QB, that will wipe out a lot of Reese's failures. The problem for Reese is that Nassib developing into such a QB is a long shot, despite his very good play this past preseason. It's like betting a huge amount on a 25-1 shot.
It wont happen because of Coughlin's age, but moving forwards I would rather Coughlin remain part of this organization than Reese.
BB56, I had thought of that put two things.
I don't believe anyone can do well holding both jobs at the same time.
Coughlin understands this team and it's needs likely better than anyone, so who better to make the best decisions to best turn it around.
He is a great football mind and tireless worker.
Like many great football men he would still need a cap specialist to work with him.
As mentioned already, I don't understand how Reese can be held responsible for guys like Terrell Thomas, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Steve smith, and Kenny Philips no longer being in the league. Even guys like Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Travis Beckham, Jay Alford all suffered career altering injuries that put the Giants in the position where they had to make a tough decision on them.
Its no wonder why the Giants are being overly cautious with Odell Beckham. They clearly rushed David Wilson back too quickly, and I don't think they want to make that mistake again with another 1st round draft pick.
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BB56, I had thought of that put two things.
I don't believe anyone can do well holding both jobs at the same time.
Coughlin understands this team and it's needs likely better than anyone, so who better to make the best decisions to best turn it around.
He is a great football mind and tireless worker.
Sounds reasonable
Not sure I agree. He brought in several FAs for the OL and drafted Richburg. We shall see how that plays out..
He signed DRC, Thurmond, Demps for the secondary
Signed McClain as a LB and drafted Kennard
Signed Jennings and drafted Williams for RB
Holliday never saw the field
I think he addressed a lot of needs..Naturally, we'll have to see what kind of moves these turned out to be
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
Accorsi was an amazing GM who routinely overpaid marginal players and never won a goddamn thing. Nevermind the fact that he also busted out on several premium picks.
But Reese, who's delivered 2 SBs and put together one of the best drafts in team history needs to go?
Holy shit. This place is insufferable sometimes.
Now, we have the shittiest roster in the league. There really is just black and white here, isn't there?
Now, we have the shittiest roster in the league. There really is just black and white here, isn't there?
Yup
Draft pass rushers, corners and draft speed. Address other spots, especially the OL in free agency.
Ernie knew he had McNally to rely on and Reese had an OL coach he thought he could count on.
That philosophy has hurt this organization almost as much as it's helped. We have two rings but the toll is becoming steeper with every disappointment.
The number of picks spent to get a RB and WR that didn't suck was astounding. And lets not forget an early round punter. Here are some EA winners: Sean Bennett, Joe Montgomery, Ron Dayne, Brian Alford, Ron Dixon, William Joseph, Tim Carter, Ike Hilliard (poor Ike), Jeff Hatch, etc. He too had some bad injury luck like any GM, but there was a strange love affair with Big10 skill players for reasons unknown. (Other than that one time, when he was caddying for good Ole Kasey Jones of the Lansing Lugnuts, and he once said...)
Unsurprising you picked the two franchises with the most fickle fans. I'm real sure they think much about their teams, much less reading giants boards.
They've changed the players. At some point, the coaches have to coach them. The players change and the OL performs the same? Its time to look at coaching.
You just asked if Eli Manning was a drug addict in the JPP thread, and I'm the troll? You are the nut worst poster here. I don't care if you were on the internet in 1994. You're just horrible.
Not if you look at the intelligence of the people making those posts.
Through all my foolish years
Except that life keeps runnin' in cycles
First there's laughter, then those tears.
Reese had his UP cycle, perhaps ending when he put that Super Bowl countdown clock in the locker room. His opinion of his abilities may have gone a little bit too far.
Now he's having those tears. But he's a good GM. His next UP cycle might just bring the team back in a couple of years. Especially if he has some cap space room. I think that the lack of any cap between 2012 and 2013 resulted in a lot of forced bad personnel decisions.
I think that he's going to stay. To Mara, he was the GM for two championship teams. That inspires patience and loyalty.
But I hope he doesn't spend any premium draft picks on any players who had significant injuries in college.
It's so weird to hear these harsh criticisms of 3rd and 4th round picks when other teams -- even good teams and teams with really high picks -- on a regular basis.
I'd put Reese's 1st and 2nd round record (controlling for draft position) against just about anybody in the league.
And people really, really overrate the value of picks after the 2nd round. It really is a crapshoot once you get to the 3rd and basically a lottery when you get to the 4th and beyond.
Just like the Giants couldn't replicate the 2007 draft, I'd bet good money that teams like the Seahawks won't continue to mine gold late in the draft. Of course you need those guys to hit, but there's more luck involved in that than people typically recognize.
Even vaunted Seattle:
- James Carpenter (a guard) in the 1st round in 2011. Couldn't hold down a starting spot until this year. Might be good, but would've been getting killed on BBI
- 2nd pick in 2011 was an OL (John Moffit) who didn't play much for them and isn't on the team
- 4th round pick was Kris Durham who you might remember sucking as the WR opposite Calvin Johnson last year
Then in the 5th round they drafted Richard Sherman, top 5 defensive player in football.
Think about that. Richard Sherman was on the board for hours. This really smart front office (and I actually do think they're smart) decided to pick John Moffit and Kris f'ing Durham. Those FO guys probably sit around saying that they were really stupid and lucky. And this is the team with the best recent drafts in the league.
Try pulling up another good team like San Fran or Denver or Green Bay. Remember the opening night game when Green Bay's RT got hurt and their back came in and got completely shat upon? He literally couldn't block at all, and completely blew up the offense. Derrick Sherrod, 1st round pick in 2011.
I agree with you. The pecking order of who will go is...
1. Ross
2. Coughlin/Eli
3. Reese
Now if they got rid of them altogether and started a massive restoration, I guess that will be fine.... but Reese isnt going anywhere until the prior 3 go first. Reese will get to choose his own QB and coach before he is fired. Whether its right or wrong.
We have too many holes to fill and it can't all be done in 1 year.
Greg,
I agree. I've said that before as well. As soon as he came aboard and ran the drafts as Director of college scouting, our drafts have sucked.
We know Reese can draft. He proved this when EA promoted him to Director of College scouting. Moreover, in 2007, he proved it again when he had to be GM AND do his Director of Scouting job.
Ross got promoted too if I am not mistaken. For what though? I am curious to what Marc Ross has done to get promoted especially since our drafts have sucked since he was hired.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
You're right. I'd rather that the Giants be in the playoffs every fucking year & never win a SB until hell freezes over than them win a Super Bowl every 5 years. You'd be happier as an Eagles fan.
You have a warped view of Giants history. That plane was a GREAT day in Giants history and was responsible for 4 SB trophies.
Not sure what TTH and BB56 are talking about, but Mara explicitly stated after last season that HE was actively involved in who the Giants draft. While I've suspected it for a while, it made me very sad. I have the sense that everything that the Giants gained with George Young's independence has been tossed into the toilet and we are back to the "good old days of the 1970's" when the primary reason for the Giants failures was the fact the Mara family wouldn't let the football people run the team.