There is one man and only one man who is responsible for this mess. Rather than list out all the mistakes I think this article puts it very succinctly.
for Ernie Accorsi in 2007, I think they won those SB's with the players Ernie drafted. Not sure what the answer is, firing Reece, is that the answer? Who do they bring in? Maybe they need better scouts.
Looks at the drafts from 2008-2011 if you need any evidence. Those players should be the core of our team yet most of them are not on the roster and/or out of football entirely.
Unfortunately, I think Coughlin takes the hit this year and and Reese gets to pick a coach. However, I would not be surprised if they clean house entirely if they only win 5 or 6 games.
Pugh rated out as the best rookie right tackle in 2013.. Â
As much as we would like, we don't live in a microwave world. If they're still playing like this in week 11 I'll lead the charge to have the front office and coaching staff replaced but we all knew there would be growing pains.
The last one they fired, Andy Robustelli, presided over six seasons with an aggregate record of 23-62-1. Although John Mara isn't his dad, many of the Duke's principles still prevail. Like it or not, Jerry Reese will almost certainly preside over this rebuilding cycle.
If it's any comfort, he might be forced to toss Marc Ross overboard if the past few draft classes don't produce this year.
between 2007-2012 and only 12 still in the league.
But what the article doesn't say is that 8 more are not in the league due primarily to (guy like Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, etc.) injury. Only 3 totally flamed out.
Marvin Austin is now a starting DT in Denver. Is his failure as a Giant due to the fact that he was a bad draft pick or his his failure the responsibility if the coaching staff for failing to develop him as Denver has.
Bottom line, if we finish 3-13, 4-12 or so Reese, Coughlin and Eli are all out of here as they should be, in the meantime they're all on the same team and there is no reason not to root for the very best for them all in the here and now.
argue with what this article is saying. To be fair there has been some bad luck with injury that cut short the careers of many picks who looked like they could be a solid to top tier player.
What I find the most odd about Reese is how comfortable he is with seemingly "punting" away certain positions and making almost no investment in them. I mean this with regard to the TE and the LB corps. It is almost criminal how Reese allows these areas of the roster to bottom out. Particularly with TE, the old Gilbride/TC offense was screaming for a real two way TE who could throw a block and be a consistent security throw for Eli. Reese was never able to provide any stability and you do not need a top draft pick o find that type of player.
It is clear right now that the Giants simply do not have the horses to be a top flight team. This could change if some of the "next men" up starting realizing they are starters now and start making some plays. Problem is, they may just not be that good. If that ends up being the case then there is no doubt the Giants need to overhaul the entire personnel department.
sure made some questionable draft picks and FA signings that didn't pan out but the good moves far outweighed the bad.
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
A good argument can be made for Arcorsi being the architect of the '07 champions. But '11? C'mon. I see only 8 Arcosi draft picks (one being Eli) on the '11 team. A couple of other guys were signed as FA during Arcosi's tenure.
That means about 40 of the 53 guys on the '11 squad were brought in under Reese.
conviniently forgets who was head of scouting and a major part of the decision making process for building that team. I'll give you a hint: his initials are JR.Jerry has been wit this organization for the better part of 2 decades. Thankfully it's not the Giants way to toss him aside after a few rough seasons.
conviniently forgets who was head of scouting and a major part of the decision making process for building that team. I'll give you a hint: his initials are JR.Jerry has been wit this organization for the better part of 2 decades. Thankfully it's not the Giants way to toss him aside after a few rough seasons.
Bingo..I think(could be off) Reese became head of scouting in 2002 or 2003(?)..The drafts improved temendously once EA got help there..
as currently constructed it would be hard to not have some loss of confidence in the ability of Reese as GM.
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Not sure you've thought this through all he way.
Reese has been with the Giants since 1994. He was head of scouting before he was GM. Every player on the 2014 Giants was signed under Reese. Every player on the 2011 Giants was signed under Reese. Every payer on the 2007 Giants was signed under Reese.
Not to mention that every 2007 draft pick was a big key Â
Give Mara a pass and blame Reese? How many Mara's cast votes during the draft? Are these family members more qualified than Jerry Jones? The drafts suck
Jerry Reese's GMing skills have decreased in the last 2 years and his drafting skills have worsened since he became the GM. Where did all that knowledge go? Progressive Altzheimer's? An I-don't-care-anymore attitude? (Sarcasm off). Maybe we should play one more game before we render judgment?
I will be the first to say that Jerry Reese has not batted a thousand. No GM has. The bottom line is that the Giants have won two SBs under his stewardship. The 2007 team is his and not Accorsi's. Accorsi left Reese an average (8 and 8) team. Nobody would have blamed Accorsi if that team went 2 and 14. Reese tweaked a mediocre squad and won a super-bowl. Reese could have drafted better but most of his draft pick were decimated by injuries. Does the names Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas, Chad Jones, David Wilson (et cetra) all ring a bell?
How about his numerous free agency hits? Jerry Reese needs to do better but no team in the entire NFL has reached the ultimate goal of super-bowl victories more than the Giants under GM, Jerry Reese. And that fact is incontestable, BBI.
Jerry Reese's GMing skills have decreased in the last 2 years and his drafting skills have worsened since he became the GM. Where did all that knowledge go? Progressive Altzheimer's? An I-don't-care-anymore attitude? (Sarcasm off). Maybe we should play one more game before we render judgment?
Only Ozzie Newsome, the acknowledged best in the business(or was) has had perfect personnel accomplishments(sarcasm off)
Jerry Reese's GMing skills have decreased in the last 2 years and his drafting skills have worsened since he became the GM. Where did all that knowledge go? Progressive Altzheimer's? An I-don't-care-anymore attitude? (Sarcasm off). Maybe we should play one more game before we render judgment?
As I understand it, Marc Ross has (had) more of a voice in recent drafts and they were less Reese than they had been when he first got here.
...the best NYG-drafted players on the roster were selected before he took over from George Young.
Michael Strahan
Tiki Barber
Amani Toomer
Jessie Armstead
Keith Hamilton
Jason Sehorn
Ike Hilliard
To some extent, that's the nature of the business: every GM works with leftovers, and Young's leftovers formed the core of the 2000 NFC champions. In Accorsi's case, the effect was exaggerated by the horrible drafts over which he and Marv Sunderland presided.
In general, Accorsi did better with free agent signings than Reese. He salvaged Kerry Collins and several other key retreads in 1999-2000, and scored the Burress/McKenzie/Pierce trifecta in 2005. And of course, he also engineered the Manning trade. Reese's non-draft acquisitions have shown an uncanny knack for injuring themselves - rather like his draft picks.
Just my opinion but it appears that he enjoys being involved in personnel decision making and IMO it comes across as he and Reese have the type of relationship to where they work together in much of the decision making which dramatically affects the direction of the team. As a result I don' believe he looks at the entire organization objectively enough. Just the fact that it looked like he didn't take adequate time to sit down and have end of years interviews and properly evaluate the entire organization before publically pointing fingers calling the offense broken and being up how Jerrigan had be unused suggests that he views his and Reese performance as being the answer and simply pointing at others as the root problem. At the end of least season Reese and he were the "we" and he simply did not evaluate the front office as objectively and harshly as he did the coaching staff when looking to place blame for the problems.
Yeah I know he used the word "we" a lot in excepting blame but I am looking merely at his actions not the lip service being paid the fans. And I realize it is his team and he has every right to be as involved as he wants to be, and for that matter I can't say honestly if it were my team I would be as involved or more. However that also doesn't mean that he should get a pass from fans for the impact he has on the team.
With the history of the Giants and his fathers role on the team, I am surprised he appears to be eschewing what he father seemed to have learned, and that was putting a good football man in charge and leaving all the football decisions to him (as hard as that was for him in some cases) was a more successful approach to building a winner on the field. Wellington became a truly great owner because he cared about his players, he showed generosity and loyalty to them which went a long way in how players felt about being part of the giant family. He obviously still voiced his opinions but he drew the line at being part of regular the brain trust charged with shaping the team. John Mara appears to be very much in the thick of that process and I think is weakens the organization rather than strengthen it even if he only has the best intentions.
he signed Mitchell prior to '07 and he was key in that defense that dominated in that playoff run. He was ridiculed at the time of the signing. In additon, he signed Cruz in '10, and drafted JPP (extremely controversial pick at the time due to being 15 overall). Without those 2 we don't sniff SB46. Is it Reese's fault their production has gone down? I still think the biggest underlying issue with the OL is coaching. The biggest issue with the Defense - coaching. Somehow TC seems to be getting a major pass on this sight now and everyone is pilling on Reese. Even though Donnell play a good game against NE in the final PS game and followed it up with a nice game in Detroit, we still hear we have no TE. Remains to be seen if that continues, but the narrative hasn't changed - we have no TE.
Just my opinion but it appears that he enjoys being involved in personnel decision making and IMO it comes across as he and Reese have the type of relationship to where they work together in much of the decision making which dramatically affects the direction of the team. As a result I don' believe he looks at the entire organization objectively enough. Just the fact that it looked like he didn't take adequate time to sit down and have end of years interviews and properly evaluate the entire organization before publically pointing fingers calling the offense broken and being up how Jerrigan had be unused suggests that he views his and Reese performance as being the answer and simply pointing at others as the root problem. At the end of least season Reese and he were the "we" and he simply did not evaluate the front office as objectively and harshly as he did the coaching staff when looking to place blame for the problems.
Yeah I know he used the word "we" a lot in excepting blame but I am looking merely at his actions not the lip service being paid the fans. And I realize it is his team and he has every right to be as involved as he wants to be, and for that matter I can't say honestly if it were my team I would be as involved or more. However that also doesn't mean that he should get a pass from fans for the impact he has on the team.
With the history of the Giants and his fathers role on the team, I am surprised he appears to be eschewing what he father seemed to have learned, and that was putting a good football man in charge and leaving all the football decisions to him (as hard as that was for him in some cases) was a more successful approach to building a winner on the field. Wellington became a truly great owner because he cared about his players, he showed generosity and loyalty to them which went a long way in how players felt about being part of the giant family. He obviously still voiced his opinions but he drew the line at being part of regular the brain trust charged with shaping the team. John Mara appears to be very much in the thick of that process and I think is weakens the organization rather than strengthen it even if he only has the best intentions.
Steve not sure I agree entirely on this. Yes, he's outspoken, but usually on non-personnel issues. The only time I've heard him really push the envelope(Jernigan, etc) was rightfully after last year..Otherwise, he usually just responds to media questions without being specific..That's my take anyway
Just my gut feeling on it nothing more. I just can't help but think he has gotten too closely involved in the process and as a result doesn't see the entire picture as objectively than if he were purposeful to set himself apart from it.
Since football minds like Gettlemen have not been replaced and he allows himself and multiple family members cast votes for these players.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
1st rd pick Kenny Phillips - career ending knee injury
2nd rd pick - Steve Smith - career ending knee injury
2nd rd pick - Terrel Thomas - 2 knee injuries career done
3rd rd pick Chad Jones - career ending car accident 0 games
1st rd pick Hakeem Nicks - career altering knee injury
1st rd pick David Wilson - career ending neck injury
This does not take into account The other players who essentially suffered career ending injuries before their initial contracts were over
In a league where you succeed based upon the top level talent, there is not another NFL team who has had to deal with injuries to key position players like this.
What compounds this is you then have to try and replenish this top level skill position talent rather than trying to build up other positions
Outside of Jones, Reese got players at the top ends of drafts.
He has faults as all GMs do
I'm really happy to see a lot of reason chiming in on this thread Â
then again the 1st game I ever went to as a 10 year old people were burning tickets in the parking lot and the infamous "15 years of lousy football and we've had enough" plane flew over, in 1978. So I guess nothing should ever faze me as a fan.
Steve not sure I agree entirely on this. Yes, he's outspoken, but usually on non-personnel issues. The only time I've heard him really push the envelope(Jernigan, etc) was rightfully after last year..Otherwise, he usually just responds to media questions without being specific..That's my take anyway
Mara himself says he scouts some players. Herzlich and many of the BC and ACC players are guys he viewed live. While not outspoken about it, John Mara is not a wallflower in the draft room. The Giants don't draft in a vacuum. Chris Mara runs the scouting department. It is a family business not an investment.
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The Giants' decision to sign undrafted linebacker Mark Herzlich, a Boston College alum and cancer survivor, was partly influenced by the man atop the organization.
“I suggested it,” admitted co-owner/president/CEO John Mara, a fellow BC graduate who remains connected to his alma mater.
Since football minds like Gettlemen have not been replaced and he allows himself and multiple family members cast votes for these players.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
You mean GREAT WE GOT TWO SBs...Oh, 2010, 10-6 record, no playoffs..Just for accuracy purposes
Since football minds like Gettlemen have not been replaced and he allows himself and multiple family members cast votes for these players.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
You mean GREAT WE GOT TWO SBs...Oh, 2010, 10-6 record, no playoffs..Just for accuracy purposes
No mention of Gettlemen or other lost right? MISSED THAT RIGHT?
Seems like Reese's ability to pick good players went south Â
losing Reese as a scout as well has hurt imv..I cannot answer the Ross question, because frankly, I have no idea..Let's see what happens after the season
I'm also not sure why there's a separation between being a Mara Â
Everyone here seems to respect Dave Gettleman, and probably rightly so, but Chris Mara's last name is Mara, so he can't possibly be good at his job? It's surely nepotism or whatever the right word is?
somebody posted the draft results of several teams the other day and they had similar results as the Giants as to impact players and key contributors. Then you have to factor this in:
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1st rd pick Kenny Phillips - career ending knee injury
2nd rd pick - Steve Smith - career ending knee injury
2nd rd pick - Terrel Thomas - 2 knee injuries career done
3rd rd pick Chad Jones - career ending car accident 0 games
1st rd pick Hakeem Nicks - career altering knee injury
1st rd pick David Wilson - career ending neck injury
that is 6 high round draft picks who were limited to one to two good seasons AT MOST due to injury.
I don't think people realize that you only have a certain number of picks each draft and a certain amount of holes to fill. reese gets killed for the OL situation, but had he went OL and ignored WR, we'd have seen the same WR's out there Monday that were ineffective as hell.
Resse was neither as great as people have made him out to be, nor as poor as people have, but that isn't fun for fans not to have somebody to tar and feather. Moronic, but apparently fun.
when he hired Marc Ross, who had failed in Philly, to run the GIANTS draft program.
And Ross is still here.
Why?
Reese did do a lot of personal scouting this year along with Chris Mara. Racked up more travel time since 07. So maybe that is why this group looks like they fit are more ready to play. Not sure if it is positive that bosses and execs have to cover lower staff but whatever works.
RE: I'm also not sure why there's a separation between being a Mara Â
Everyone here seems to respect Dave Gettleman, and probably rightly so, but Chris Mara's last name is Mara, so he can't possibly be good at his job? It's surely nepotism or whatever the right word is?
Not saying anyone couldn't be but the problem is that once you cross that line it creates other problems.
It is hard to be properly and evenly objective when assessing all departments when you are part of one.
It is only human nature that people often have a harder time seeing their own failures or weaknesses.
It is harder to fire yourself, therefore key roles are held to different levels of accountability.
As I said in my first post I understand it is his team and he can do as he pleases, and I don't know that I wouldn't be just as involved if it were me. But the more involved he is it is more than fair for fans to point the finger at him as a result.
Unfortunately, I think Coughlin takes the hit this year and and Reese gets to pick a coach. However, I would not be surprised if they clean house entirely if they only win 5 or 6 games.
If it's any comfort, he might be forced to toss Marc Ross overboard if the past few draft classes don't produce this year.
But what the article doesn't say is that 8 more are not in the league due primarily to (guy like Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, etc.) injury. Only 3 totally flamed out.
Marvin Austin is now a starting DT in Denver. Is his failure as a Giant due to the fact that he was a bad draft pick or his his failure the responsibility if the coaching staff for failing to develop him as Denver has.
Bottom line, if we finish 3-13, 4-12 or so Reese, Coughlin and Eli are all out of here as they should be, in the meantime they're all on the same team and there is no reason not to root for the very best for them all in the here and now.
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
What I find the most odd about Reese is how comfortable he is with seemingly "punting" away certain positions and making almost no investment in them. I mean this with regard to the TE and the LB corps. It is almost criminal how Reese allows these areas of the roster to bottom out. Particularly with TE, the old Gilbride/TC offense was screaming for a real two way TE who could throw a block and be a consistent security throw for Eli. Reese was never able to provide any stability and you do not need a top draft pick o find that type of player.
It is clear right now that the Giants simply do not have the horses to be a top flight team. This could change if some of the "next men" up starting realizing they are starters now and start making some plays. Problem is, they may just not be that good. If that ends up being the case then there is no doubt the Giants need to overhaul the entire personnel department.
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
A good argument can be made for Arcorsi being the architect of the '07 champions. But '11? C'mon. I see only 8 Arcosi draft picks (one being Eli) on the '11 team. A couple of other guys were signed as FA during Arcosi's tenure.
That means about 40 of the 53 guys on the '11 squad were brought in under Reese.
Beyond disingenuous to give credit to Acorsi for building that team.
2011 Giants roster - ( New Window )
Robert Goulet?
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Bingo..I think(could be off) Reese became head of scouting in 2002 or 2003(?)..The drafts improved temendously once EA got help there..
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Not sure you've thought this through all he way.
Reese has been with the Giants since 1994. He was head of scouting before he was GM. Every player on the 2014 Giants was signed under Reese. Every player on the 2011 Giants was signed under Reese. Every payer on the 2007 Giants was signed under Reese.
How about his numerous free agency hits? Jerry Reese needs to do better but no team in the entire NFL has reached the ultimate goal of super-bowl victories more than the Giants under GM, Jerry Reese. And that fact is incontestable, BBI.
Only Ozzie Newsome, the acknowledged best in the business(or was) has had perfect personnel accomplishments(sarcasm off)
As I understand it, Marc Ross has (had) more of a voice in recent drafts and they were less Reese than they had been when he first got here.
Michael Strahan
Tiki Barber
Amani Toomer
Jessie Armstead
Keith Hamilton
Jason Sehorn
Ike Hilliard
To some extent, that's the nature of the business: every GM works with leftovers, and Young's leftovers formed the core of the 2000 NFC champions. In Accorsi's case, the effect was exaggerated by the horrible drafts over which he and Marv Sunderland presided.
In general, Accorsi did better with free agent signings than Reese. He salvaged Kerry Collins and several other key retreads in 1999-2000, and scored the Burress/McKenzie/Pierce trifecta in 2005. And of course, he also engineered the Manning trade. Reese's non-draft acquisitions have shown an uncanny knack for injuring themselves - rather like his draft picks.
When there's adversity: "These guys don't know what the fuck they're doing."
Yeah I know he used the word "we" a lot in excepting blame but I am looking merely at his actions not the lip service being paid the fans. And I realize it is his team and he has every right to be as involved as he wants to be, and for that matter I can't say honestly if it were my team I would be as involved or more. However that also doesn't mean that he should get a pass from fans for the impact he has on the team.
With the history of the Giants and his fathers role on the team, I am surprised he appears to be eschewing what he father seemed to have learned, and that was putting a good football man in charge and leaving all the football decisions to him (as hard as that was for him in some cases) was a more successful approach to building a winner on the field. Wellington became a truly great owner because he cared about his players, he showed generosity and loyalty to them which went a long way in how players felt about being part of the giant family. He obviously still voiced his opinions but he drew the line at being part of regular the brain trust charged with shaping the team. John Mara appears to be very much in the thick of that process and I think is weakens the organization rather than strengthen it even if he only has the best intentions.
Yeah I know he used the word "we" a lot in excepting blame but I am looking merely at his actions not the lip service being paid the fans. And I realize it is his team and he has every right to be as involved as he wants to be, and for that matter I can't say honestly if it were my team I would be as involved or more. However that also doesn't mean that he should get a pass from fans for the impact he has on the team.
With the history of the Giants and his fathers role on the team, I am surprised he appears to be eschewing what he father seemed to have learned, and that was putting a good football man in charge and leaving all the football decisions to him (as hard as that was for him in some cases) was a more successful approach to building a winner on the field. Wellington became a truly great owner because he cared about his players, he showed generosity and loyalty to them which went a long way in how players felt about being part of the giant family. He obviously still voiced his opinions but he drew the line at being part of regular the brain trust charged with shaping the team. John Mara appears to be very much in the thick of that process and I think is weakens the organization rather than strengthen it even if he only has the best intentions.
Steve not sure I agree entirely on this. Yes, he's outspoken, but usually on non-personnel issues. The only time I've heard him really push the envelope(Jernigan, etc) was rightfully after last year..Otherwise, he usually just responds to media questions without being specific..That's my take anyway
Reese, Coughlin, and Mara have always said they make organizational decisions as a unit. This goes back years.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
2nd rd pick - Steve Smith - career ending knee injury
2nd rd pick - Terrel Thomas - 2 knee injuries career done
3rd rd pick Chad Jones - career ending car accident 0 games
1st rd pick Hakeem Nicks - career altering knee injury
1st rd pick David Wilson - career ending neck injury
This does not take into account The other players who essentially suffered career ending injuries before their initial contracts were over
In a league where you succeed based upon the top level talent, there is not another NFL team who has had to deal with injuries to key position players like this.
What compounds this is you then have to try and replenish this top level skill position talent rather than trying to build up other positions
Outside of Jones, Reese got players at the top ends of drafts.
He has faults as all GMs do
Steve not sure I agree entirely on this. Yes, he's outspoken, but usually on non-personnel issues. The only time I've heard him really push the envelope(Jernigan, etc) was rightfully after last year..Otherwise, he usually just responds to media questions without being specific..That's my take anyway
Mara himself says he scouts some players. Herzlich and many of the BC and ACC players are guys he viewed live. While not outspoken about it, John Mara is not a wallflower in the draft room. The Giants don't draft in a vacuum. Chris Mara runs the scouting department. It is a family business not an investment.
“I suggested it,” admitted co-owner/president/CEO John Mara, a fellow BC graduate who remains connected to his alma mater.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
You mean GREAT WE GOT TWO SBs...Oh, 2010, 10-6 record, no playoffs..Just for accuracy purposes
As an UDFA, Herzlich has done really well. If he was a 3rd rounder, not so great.
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Since football minds like Gettlemen have not been replaced and he allows himself and multiple family members cast votes for these players.
Great, we got a Super Bowl. Is anything wrong with missing the playoffs 4 out of 5 years with a franchise QB and an OL which still appears pathetic? How many years are we not allowed to question Mara b/c of the Bowl?
You mean GREAT WE GOT TWO SBs...Oh, 2010, 10-6 record, no playoffs..Just for accuracy purposes
No mention of Gettlemen or other lost right? MISSED THAT RIGHT?
And Ross is still here.
Why?
Everyone here seems to respect Dave Gettleman, and probably rightly so, but Chris Mara's last name is Mara, so he can't possibly be good at his job? It's surely nepotism or whatever the right word is?
Nothing wrong in the draft room. Seriously?
2nd rd pick - Steve Smith - career ending knee injury
2nd rd pick - Terrel Thomas - 2 knee injuries career done
3rd rd pick Chad Jones - career ending car accident 0 games
1st rd pick Hakeem Nicks - career altering knee injury
1st rd pick David Wilson - career ending neck injury
that is 6 high round draft picks who were limited to one to two good seasons AT MOST due to injury.
I don't think people realize that you only have a certain number of picks each draft and a certain amount of holes to fill. reese gets killed for the OL situation, but had he went OL and ignored WR, we'd have seen the same WR's out there Monday that were ineffective as hell.
Resse was neither as great as people have made him out to be, nor as poor as people have, but that isn't fun for fans not to have somebody to tar and feather. Moronic, but apparently fun.
And Ross is still here.
Why?
Reese did do a lot of personal scouting this year along with Chris Mara. Racked up more travel time since 07. So maybe that is why this group looks like they fit are more ready to play. Not sure if it is positive that bosses and execs have to cover lower staff but whatever works.
Everyone here seems to respect Dave Gettleman, and probably rightly so, but Chris Mara's last name is Mara, so he can't possibly be good at his job? It's surely nepotism or whatever the right word is?
Not saying anyone couldn't be but the problem is that once you cross that line it creates other problems.
It is hard to be properly and evenly objective when assessing all departments when you are part of one.
It is only human nature that people often have a harder time seeing their own failures or weaknesses.
It is harder to fire yourself, therefore key roles are held to different levels of accountability.
As I said in my first post I understand it is his team and he can do as he pleases, and I don't know that I wouldn't be just as involved if it were me. But the more involved he is it is more than fair for fans to point the finger at him as a result.