There is one man and only one man who is responsible for this mess. Rather than list out all the mistakes I think this article puts it very succinctly.
Wouldn't have improved the running game, pass blocking or allowing ghe receivers more time to get open? A running game doesn't help open up the passing game? The game is won in the trenches and the Giants stunk last year b/c and opening day this year b/c of it.
if things had gone as planned if they had gotten longer careers from Nicks, Smith, and Manningham and didn't have to account for all of them disappearing.
drafts have been horrible under Reese. One of the problems John Mara's dad, Wellington, had back in the late 60's and 70's was being too loyal to guys who did not deserve it and who did not perform. That changed after the '79 flyover and fans burning their seasons tickets and Mara had to go to Pete Rozelle to get George Young.
Now it appears the same is happening although I do think this is the last fling so to speak for Reese. If the Giants miss the playoffs again, I have no doubt he is gone.
I will say this...Nicks was a good pick until either injuries or his ego got in the way. But either he was asleep at the switch or his decision to spend low draft picks on offensive lineman rather than investing high picks as Young did when he rebuilt the Giants' O-line in the late 80's was disastrous and will probably cost him his job.
Clearly, the weight of evidence in terms of lack of talent is obvious to many.
One more thing...i wonder why John Mara does not have a talk with Jernigan saying "Hey, I stuck my neck out for you and now you are sucking again".
that Marvin Austin is now getting praises when the Broncos get their hands on him. I will continue to stress the point, you can bring in the freshest ingredients but it doesn't matter if the chefs in the kitchen aren't skilled enough to use them either.
Austin finding success with Fox and Del Rio doesn't really surprise me. I think player development is crucial and I don't think it is an attribute that every coaching staff is equally skilled.
between 2007-2012 and only 12 still in the league.
But what the article doesn't say is that 8 more are not in the league due primarily to (guy like Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, etc.) injury. Only 3 totally flamed out.
Marvin Austin is now a starting DT in Denver. Is his failure as a Giant due to the fact that he was a bad draft pick or his his failure the responsibility if the coaching staff for failing to develop him as Denver has.
Bottom line, if we finish 3-13, 4-12 or so Reese, Coughlin and Eli are all out of here as they should be, in the meantime they're all on the same team and there is no reason not to root for the very best for them all in the here and now.
Marvin Austin might be one that needed to hit bottom before he removed his head from his proverbial ass. For his sake I hope will Hill does the same but I'm not holding my breath on that one
Reese is not the exclusive cause of the Giants problems.
Even if Reese is terrible, and I'm not saying that he is, it was the responsibility of TC and the rest of the FO to get rid of him. They didn't, so you would have to blame them as well.
On the other hand, I can't give Reese or the Giants credit for drafting Pugh. He was the last decent lineman left. They HAD to draft Pugh and they just lucked out. I have no doubt that if the Giants had had the opportunity, they would have drafted EVERY SINGLE one of the other OTs that were drafted ahead of Pugh instead of taking Pugh.
to many players on Offense that can't catch and can't run the correct routes. Not to mention they can't block. Eli has looked like crap the last two years, but look who he has around him. Randle is like I was wide open, well yeah Randle you were 3 rows up in the stands waving your hand, but that is out of bounds man!
Reese has done a good job with the Def, but horrible at bringing in talent at WR and OL.
as currently constructed it would be hard to not have some loss of confidence in the ability of Reese as GM.
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Not sure you've thought this through all he way.
Reese has been with the Giants since 1994. He was head of scouting before he was GM. Every player on the 2014 Giants was signed under Reese. Every player on the 2011 Giants was signed under Reese. Every payer on the 2007 Giants was signed under Reese.
Perhaps, I am not even sure that removing him or anything like that would be an overall positive. I do think there is a difference though between being the GM, the top guy as opposed to some other role in the personnel process.
to many players on Offense that can't catch and can't run the correct routes. Not to mention they can't block. Eli has looked like crap the last two years, but look who he has around him. Randle is like I was wide open, well yeah Randle you were 3 rows up in the stands waving your hand, but that is out of bounds man!
Reese has done a good job with the Def, but horrible at bringing in talent at WR and OL.
I doubt Tom Brady would have looked any better if he and Eli had traded places.
I don't mind the premise, if it's well argued. But it feels like the author is so big on hyperbole that he fails to actually remember what he just hyperboled earlier in the article. Did the guy who wrote the 2nd half of it read the first half? A few key points:
1) YOU CANNOT REASONABLY POST HOW BAD A GM HAS DONE IN THE DRAFT WITHOUT POSTING A COMPARISON TO OTHER TEAMS/GMS. It's like saying "That baseball player sucks as a hitter, he's not hitting on 66% of his at bats!" The only reasonable comparison is how we're doing compared to other teams. AND as BBB pointed out in another thread, we've also not been picking in the top half of the draft, and certainly not top 10, on a regular basis like Detroit.
2) JR has been as good as anyone in NYG history I can think of at picking WRs. Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks were the first two WRs to make a pro bowl in NYG since Homer FING Jones. Cruz was a freakin' steal. He gets no credit there?
3) Don't tell me Reese didn't have much to do with the first SB. That's just revisonist history. First, he kept TC which he didn't have to do. Second, he held firm with Diehl at LT when the world (including many here) said that was a mistake and we'd never win a SB with DD at OT. Third, Steve Smith was a clutch player on 3rd down as a rookie. Fourth, he brought in Kawika Mitchell. Should I go on?
4) Don't tell me we haven't have good TEs since he was here. Ballard was surprisingly good. Black Unicorn was good, but he got offered a huge deal. I would agree we seem to have put too much faith in Robinson and Donnell it seems. But, Donnell showed signs of life, who knows.
5) He's made efforts to improve the line -- a bit later than he should have? -- I'd grant him that. But JR certainly saw the mistake and has TRIED to correct it. And when the author criticizes the current line he never mentions Schwartz. The line is not currently composed the way JR wants it, at least 1 key guy is out.
6) He questions securing the like DRC, Thurmon, etc. But, first we all know we had guys running free last year. And second, it's also a way you might help your pass rush by giving them an extra second. Bad showing Monday, but Megatron will make a lot of guys look bad. Let's see how we do going forward before Reese is shot for this move.
7) He talks about losing L Joseph and not about drafting Hannkins? Hankie's a stud.
8) JPP was a killer pick. If he's under-performing, that's not on the GM. Beatty is similar. A bigger question is why guys are not playing up to potential, not if they HAVE the potential because they showed they do. A GM's job is to get the guys who have the potential.
9) As others have said, injuries are not his fault. The "worlds worst hamstring" is just taking pot shots. It sucks, but it happens. Wilson might have been a good fit for this O, actually. Chad Jones, I guess JR should have hired a driver?
JR not above critique. But make your case intelligently and without the BS. He's cherry picking people and facts.
I'll just say this, only to humor a trolll thread for a moment...
I think Reese does a good job overall. I always think his plan of attack is pretty solid and that's what you can ask for, it doesn't always work out, but the Giants never seem like they are caught with their pants down. Or that they make a mess out of a ton of situations.
To me if it's more about the actual players being selected it's probably more of a scouting issue. I'd like to see Marc Ross replaced, and see what can happen under different scouting leadership. Reese may select the players, but it's with heavy input from Marc Ross and the crew (and the coaches later).
would say overall, Reese has done a poor job. C-. His drafts between 2008-2012 were pretty bad. A lot of his FAs didn't work out either. Very good draft in 2007, and the top half of the drafts from 2013 and 2014 have shown promise.
But here's who can absolutely save Reese: Nassib. If Nassib is the next QB of the Giants, and is a top ten QB, that will wipe out a lot of Reese's failures. The problem for Reese is that Nassib developing into such a QB is a long shot, despite his very good play this past preseason. It's like betting a huge amount on a 25-1 shot.
Was a very good draft and IMO was one of the main reasons why we won the Super Bowl that year. That was a long time ago now. As for 2011,we got hot at the right time but we were VERY fortunate(nice throw Romo!)to even make the playoffs and one cannot lose sight that we were only 9-7 and we won the last two games to get to 9 wins. The Giants were a mediocre team that season but fortunately played their best football once the playoffs started. On the whole,I don't believe that Reese has done a very good job and he misses on way too many high draft picks and right now we may be the worst team in the NFL. To me, that says it all. Coughlin, most likely,will not be back next year and I am all for really rebuilding with a new GM, coach,staff,and possibly new quarterback depending how this season plays out. Don't forget,Eli's contract is up after 2015. Anyone here thinks we should extend him?
injuries that were suffered by high draft picks for the Giants, along with many of the other players on the roster their isn't more of a questioning regarding the training staff and the players' conditioning.
As mentioned already, I don't understand how Reese can be held responsible for guys like Terrell Thomas, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Steve smith, and Kenny Philips no longer being in the league. Even guys like Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Travis Beckham, Jay Alford all suffered career altering injuries that put the Giants in the position where they had to make a tough decision on them.
Its no wonder why the Giants are being overly cautious with Odell Beckham. They clearly rushed David Wilson back too quickly, and I don't think they want to make that mistake again with another 1st round draft pick.
Wilson back too soon. He had a condition of the spine that was not a rest based injury. It was one that was unknown what the impact would be until he took contact. Once he took contact, it was determined that the worst case was a reality.
I agree that the Giants woes are a complicated question.....
if it was simply bad drafting the obvious solution would be to fire Marc Ross. However there may be a larger question of whether you agree with Reese's organizational philosophy, his valuing of certain positions over others, etc... I you don't than yes you can make a case for his dismissal.
In the past when the Giants have had a glaring need, Reese has usually been like a laser in fixing it. Case in point is the safety position and signing Antrell Rolle. This year the needs have seemed so many that he was forced to spread out a pretty good chunk of change to solve all of these needs. In doing so he may actually have filled very few.
RE: There is an interesting contrast this year....
In the past when the Giants have had a glaring need, Reese has usually been like a laser in fixing it. Case in point is the safety position and signing Antrell Rolle. This year the needs have seemed so many that he was forced to spread out a pretty good chunk of change to solve all of these needs. In doing so he may actually have filled very few.
Not sure I agree. He brought in several FAs for the OL and drafted Richburg. We shall see how that plays out..
He signed DRC, Thurmond, Demps for the secondary
Signed McClain as a LB and drafted Kennard
Signed Jennings and drafted Williams for RB
Holliday never saw the field
I think he addressed a lot of needs..Naturally, we'll have to see what kind of moves these turned out to be
sure made some questionable draft picks and FA signings that didn't pan out but the good moves far outweighed the bad.
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
Accorsi was an amazing GM who routinely overpaid marginal players and never won a goddamn thing. Nevermind the fact that he also busted out on several premium picks.
But Reese, who's delivered 2 SBs and put together one of the best drafts in team history needs to go?
Has also put together a string of bad drafts and currently has one of the worst,if no the worst roster in the NFL.How long does he get a pass. It's a what have you done lately for me job. Lately,he's been inadequate.
Draft pass rushers, corners and draft speed. Address other spots, especially the OL in free agency.
Ernie knew he had McNally to rely on and Reese had an OL coach he thought he could count on.
That philosophy has hurt this organization almost as much as it's helped. We have two rings but the toll is becoming steeper with every disappointment.
from the Giants other than being KG's son and going to Syracuse. I never thought of him as a hot commodity at Temple. When he replaced Sullivan that was a headscrather. I know Sullivan wanted to take him but was he that impressive as a video assistant? Was his work with Randle and Jerrigan so impressive that TC thought he could help the TEs? Just strange organizational decisions.
Accorsi had his share of wins, and the Eli trade secures his legacy. But for goodness sake, he missed a HELL of a lot.
The number of picks spent to get a RB and WR that didn't suck was astounding. And lets not forget an early round punter. Here are some EA winners: Sean Bennett, Joe Montgomery, Ron Dayne, Brian Alford, Ron Dixon, William Joseph, Tim Carter, Ike Hilliard (poor Ike), Jeff Hatch, etc. He too had some bad injury luck like any GM, but there was a strange love affair with Big10 skill players for reasons unknown. (Other than that one time, when he was caddying for good Ole Kasey Jones of the Lansing Lugnuts, and he once said...)
Accorsi was routinely crucified here and everywhere when he was GM far worse than Reese is getting now. Somebody above said this right. Reese was never that great ala In Reese we Trust. He made mistakes even during the better years. And, he's not as bad as the Reese Must Go crowd believes. but, Accorsi, for a major part of his career, was vilified like no one else.
I wonder how fans of say Tampa Bay or Jacksonville
reading this shit must think how fucking nuts we are
Unsurprising you picked the two franchises with the most fickle fans. I'm real sure they think much about their teams, much less reading giants boards.
talks these days. You can bet your ass, Reese hasn't made one move that he hasn't been involved with. Coughlin is the one thats going to be in trouble, if this isn't fixed.
They've changed the players. At some point, the coaches have to coach them. The players change and the OL performs the same? Its time to look at coaching.
You just asked if Eli Manning was a drug addict in the JPP thread, and I'm the troll? You are the nut worst poster here. I don't care if you were on the internet in 1994. You're just horrible.
There isn't much that I have learned
Through all my foolish years
Except that life keeps runnin' in cycles
First there's laughter, then those tears.
Reese had his UP cycle, perhaps ending when he put that Super Bowl countdown clock in the locker room. His opinion of his abilities may have gone a little bit too far.
Now he's having those tears. But he's a good GM. His next UP cycle might just bring the team back in a couple of years. Especially if he has some cap space room. I think that the lack of any cap between 2012 and 2013 resulted in a lot of forced bad personnel decisions.
I think that he's going to stay. To Mara, he was the GM for two championship teams. That inspires patience and loyalty.
But I hope he doesn't spend any premium draft picks on any players who had significant injuries in college.
with an injury that statement might have merit. When it is 6 to 8 high draft picks with injuries that have left them out of the game or severely limited, it is most definitely a valid observation.
Count me in the group that thinks Marc Ross is the main culprit
what it was like to have 1st round busts? You probably do, but you have to go back a long, long time. Or I guess you could say Wilson, but that's not really a draft issue.
It's so weird to hear these harsh criticisms of 3rd and 4th round picks when other teams -- even good teams and teams with really high picks -- on a regular basis.
I'd put Reese's 1st and 2nd round record (controlling for draft position) against just about anybody in the league.
And people really, really overrate the value of picks after the 2nd round. It really is a crapshoot once you get to the 3rd and basically a lottery when you get to the 4th and beyond.
Just like the Giants couldn't replicate the 2007 draft, I'd bet good money that teams like the Seahawks won't continue to mine gold late in the draft. Of course you need those guys to hit, but there's more luck involved in that than people typically recognize.
Even vaunted Seattle:
- James Carpenter (a guard) in the 1st round in 2011. Couldn't hold down a starting spot until this year. Might be good, but would've been getting killed on BBI
- 2nd pick in 2011 was an OL (John Moffit) who didn't play much for them and isn't on the team
- 4th round pick was Kris Durham who you might remember sucking as the WR opposite Calvin Johnson last year
Then in the 5th round they drafted Richard Sherman, top 5 defensive player in football.
Think about that. Richard Sherman was on the board for hours. This really smart front office (and I actually do think they're smart) decided to pick John Moffit and Kris f'ing Durham. Those FO guys probably sit around saying that they were really stupid and lucky. And this is the team with the best recent drafts in the league.
Try pulling up another good team like San Fran or Denver or Green Bay. Remember the opening night game when Green Bay's RT got hurt and their back came in and got completely shat upon? He literally couldn't block at all, and completely blew up the offense. Derrick Sherrod, 1st round pick in 2011.
RE: Count me in the group that thinks Marc Ross is the main culprit
Compare the 2003-07 drafts, when Reese ran the draft, to the drafts since 2008 with Ross running the draft. Enormous dropoff.
I agree with you. The pecking order of who will go is...
1. Ross
2. Coughlin/Eli
3. Reese
Now if they got rid of them altogether and started a massive restoration, I guess that will be fine.... but Reese isnt going anywhere until the prior 3 go first. Reese will get to choose his own QB and coach before he is fired. Whether its right or wrong.
And if Snee hadn't had to retire early.
Now it appears the same is happening although I do think this is the last fling so to speak for Reese. If the Giants miss the playoffs again, I have no doubt he is gone.
I will say this...Nicks was a good pick until either injuries or his ego got in the way. But either he was asleep at the switch or his decision to spend low draft picks on offensive lineman rather than investing high picks as Young did when he rebuilt the Giants' O-line in the late 80's was disastrous and will probably cost him his job.
Clearly, the weight of evidence in terms of lack of talent is obvious to many.
One more thing...i wonder why John Mara does not have a talk with Jernigan saying "Hey, I stuck my neck out for you and now you are sucking again".
Austin finding success with Fox and Del Rio doesn't really surprise me. I think player development is crucial and I don't think it is an attribute that every coaching staff is equally skilled.
But what the article doesn't say is that 8 more are not in the league due primarily to (guy like Chad Jones, Kenny Phillips, David Wilson, etc.) injury. Only 3 totally flamed out.
Marvin Austin is now a starting DT in Denver. Is his failure as a Giant due to the fact that he was a bad draft pick or his his failure the responsibility if the coaching staff for failing to develop him as Denver has.
Bottom line, if we finish 3-13, 4-12 or so Reese, Coughlin and Eli are all out of here as they should be, in the meantime they're all on the same team and there is no reason not to root for the very best for them all in the here and now.
Marvin Austin might be one that needed to hit bottom before he removed his head from his proverbial ass. For his sake I hope will Hill does the same but I'm not holding my breath on that one
On the other hand, I can't give Reese or the Giants credit for drafting Pugh. He was the last decent lineman left. They HAD to draft Pugh and they just lucked out. I have no doubt that if the Giants had had the opportunity, they would have drafted EVERY SINGLE one of the other OTs that were drafted ahead of Pugh instead of taking Pugh.
Reese has done a good job with the Def, but horrible at bringing in talent at WR and OL.
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as currently constructed it would be hard to not have some loss of confidence in the ability of Reese as GM.
He has never really had to build a whole roster. He inherited one of the top coaches in the game and a full fledged franchise QB.
Can he build a roster from scratch? Time will tell but the VERY early results are not promising.
Not sure you've thought this through all he way.
Reese has been with the Giants since 1994. He was head of scouting before he was GM. Every player on the 2014 Giants was signed under Reese. Every player on the 2011 Giants was signed under Reese. Every payer on the 2007 Giants was signed under Reese.
Perhaps, I am not even sure that removing him or anything like that would be an overall positive. I do think there is a difference though between being the GM, the top guy as opposed to some other role in the personnel process.
I assume that the buck stops with the GM.
Reese has done a good job with the Def, but horrible at bringing in talent at WR and OL.
I doubt Tom Brady would have looked any better if he and Eli had traded places.
1) YOU CANNOT REASONABLY POST HOW BAD A GM HAS DONE IN THE DRAFT WITHOUT POSTING A COMPARISON TO OTHER TEAMS/GMS. It's like saying "That baseball player sucks as a hitter, he's not hitting on 66% of his at bats!" The only reasonable comparison is how we're doing compared to other teams. AND as BBB pointed out in another thread, we've also not been picking in the top half of the draft, and certainly not top 10, on a regular basis like Detroit.
2) JR has been as good as anyone in NYG history I can think of at picking WRs. Steve Smith and Hakeem Nicks were the first two WRs to make a pro bowl in NYG since Homer FING Jones. Cruz was a freakin' steal. He gets no credit there?
3) Don't tell me Reese didn't have much to do with the first SB. That's just revisonist history. First, he kept TC which he didn't have to do. Second, he held firm with Diehl at LT when the world (including many here) said that was a mistake and we'd never win a SB with DD at OT. Third, Steve Smith was a clutch player on 3rd down as a rookie. Fourth, he brought in Kawika Mitchell. Should I go on?
4) Don't tell me we haven't have good TEs since he was here. Ballard was surprisingly good. Black Unicorn was good, but he got offered a huge deal. I would agree we seem to have put too much faith in Robinson and Donnell it seems. But, Donnell showed signs of life, who knows.
5) He's made efforts to improve the line -- a bit later than he should have? -- I'd grant him that. But JR certainly saw the mistake and has TRIED to correct it. And when the author criticizes the current line he never mentions Schwartz. The line is not currently composed the way JR wants it, at least 1 key guy is out.
6) He questions securing the like DRC, Thurmon, etc. But, first we all know we had guys running free last year. And second, it's also a way you might help your pass rush by giving them an extra second. Bad showing Monday, but Megatron will make a lot of guys look bad. Let's see how we do going forward before Reese is shot for this move.
7) He talks about losing L Joseph and not about drafting Hannkins? Hankie's a stud.
8) JPP was a killer pick. If he's under-performing, that's not on the GM. Beatty is similar. A bigger question is why guys are not playing up to potential, not if they HAVE the potential because they showed they do. A GM's job is to get the guys who have the potential.
9) As others have said, injuries are not his fault. The "worlds worst hamstring" is just taking pot shots. It sucks, but it happens. Wilson might have been a good fit for this O, actually. Chad Jones, I guess JR should have hired a driver?
JR not above critique. But make your case intelligently and without the BS. He's cherry picking people and facts.
To me if it's more about the actual players being selected it's probably more of a scouting issue. I'd like to see Marc Ross replaced, and see what can happen under different scouting leadership. Reese may select the players, but it's with heavy input from Marc Ross and the crew (and the coaches later).
But here's who can absolutely save Reese: Nassib. If Nassib is the next QB of the Giants, and is a top ten QB, that will wipe out a lot of Reese's failures. The problem for Reese is that Nassib developing into such a QB is a long shot, despite his very good play this past preseason. It's like betting a huge amount on a 25-1 shot.
It wont happen because of Coughlin's age, but moving forwards I would rather Coughlin remain part of this organization than Reese.
BB56, I had thought of that put two things.
I don't believe anyone can do well holding both jobs at the same time.
Coughlin understands this team and it's needs likely better than anyone, so who better to make the best decisions to best turn it around.
He is a great football mind and tireless worker.
Like many great football men he would still need a cap specialist to work with him.
As mentioned already, I don't understand how Reese can be held responsible for guys like Terrell Thomas, David Wilson, Chad Jones, Steve smith, and Kenny Philips no longer being in the league. Even guys like Marvin Austin, Clint Sintim, Travis Beckham, Jay Alford all suffered career altering injuries that put the Giants in the position where they had to make a tough decision on them.
Its no wonder why the Giants are being overly cautious with Odell Beckham. They clearly rushed David Wilson back too quickly, and I don't think they want to make that mistake again with another 1st round draft pick.
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BB56, I had thought of that put two things.
I don't believe anyone can do well holding both jobs at the same time.
Coughlin understands this team and it's needs likely better than anyone, so who better to make the best decisions to best turn it around.
He is a great football mind and tireless worker.
Sounds reasonable
Not sure I agree. He brought in several FAs for the OL and drafted Richburg. We shall see how that plays out..
He signed DRC, Thurmond, Demps for the secondary
Signed McClain as a LB and drafted Kennard
Signed Jennings and drafted Williams for RB
Holliday never saw the field
I think he addressed a lot of needs..Naturally, we'll have to see what kind of moves these turned out to be
He deserves 95% of the credit (from a personnel standpoint) for the two recent Superbowls.
Shame on anyone who ever criticized him. Reese is on thin ice!
Accorsi was an amazing GM who routinely overpaid marginal players and never won a goddamn thing. Nevermind the fact that he also busted out on several premium picks.
But Reese, who's delivered 2 SBs and put together one of the best drafts in team history needs to go?
Holy shit. This place is insufferable sometimes.
Now, we have the shittiest roster in the league. There really is just black and white here, isn't there?
Now, we have the shittiest roster in the league. There really is just black and white here, isn't there?
Yup
Draft pass rushers, corners and draft speed. Address other spots, especially the OL in free agency.
Ernie knew he had McNally to rely on and Reese had an OL coach he thought he could count on.
That philosophy has hurt this organization almost as much as it's helped. We have two rings but the toll is becoming steeper with every disappointment.
The number of picks spent to get a RB and WR that didn't suck was astounding. And lets not forget an early round punter. Here are some EA winners: Sean Bennett, Joe Montgomery, Ron Dayne, Brian Alford, Ron Dixon, William Joseph, Tim Carter, Ike Hilliard (poor Ike), Jeff Hatch, etc. He too had some bad injury luck like any GM, but there was a strange love affair with Big10 skill players for reasons unknown. (Other than that one time, when he was caddying for good Ole Kasey Jones of the Lansing Lugnuts, and he once said...)
Unsurprising you picked the two franchises with the most fickle fans. I'm real sure they think much about their teams, much less reading giants boards.
They've changed the players. At some point, the coaches have to coach them. The players change and the OL performs the same? Its time to look at coaching.
You just asked if Eli Manning was a drug addict in the JPP thread, and I'm the troll? You are the nut worst poster here. I don't care if you were on the internet in 1994. You're just horrible.
Not if you look at the intelligence of the people making those posts.
Through all my foolish years
Except that life keeps runnin' in cycles
First there's laughter, then those tears.
Reese had his UP cycle, perhaps ending when he put that Super Bowl countdown clock in the locker room. His opinion of his abilities may have gone a little bit too far.
Now he's having those tears. But he's a good GM. His next UP cycle might just bring the team back in a couple of years. Especially if he has some cap space room. I think that the lack of any cap between 2012 and 2013 resulted in a lot of forced bad personnel decisions.
I think that he's going to stay. To Mara, he was the GM for two championship teams. That inspires patience and loyalty.
But I hope he doesn't spend any premium draft picks on any players who had significant injuries in college.
It's so weird to hear these harsh criticisms of 3rd and 4th round picks when other teams -- even good teams and teams with really high picks -- on a regular basis.
I'd put Reese's 1st and 2nd round record (controlling for draft position) against just about anybody in the league.
And people really, really overrate the value of picks after the 2nd round. It really is a crapshoot once you get to the 3rd and basically a lottery when you get to the 4th and beyond.
Just like the Giants couldn't replicate the 2007 draft, I'd bet good money that teams like the Seahawks won't continue to mine gold late in the draft. Of course you need those guys to hit, but there's more luck involved in that than people typically recognize.
Even vaunted Seattle:
- James Carpenter (a guard) in the 1st round in 2011. Couldn't hold down a starting spot until this year. Might be good, but would've been getting killed on BBI
- 2nd pick in 2011 was an OL (John Moffit) who didn't play much for them and isn't on the team
- 4th round pick was Kris Durham who you might remember sucking as the WR opposite Calvin Johnson last year
Then in the 5th round they drafted Richard Sherman, top 5 defensive player in football.
Think about that. Richard Sherman was on the board for hours. This really smart front office (and I actually do think they're smart) decided to pick John Moffit and Kris f'ing Durham. Those FO guys probably sit around saying that they were really stupid and lucky. And this is the team with the best recent drafts in the league.
Try pulling up another good team like San Fran or Denver or Green Bay. Remember the opening night game when Green Bay's RT got hurt and their back came in and got completely shat upon? He literally couldn't block at all, and completely blew up the offense. Derrick Sherrod, 1st round pick in 2011.
I agree with you. The pecking order of who will go is...
1. Ross
2. Coughlin/Eli
3. Reese
Now if they got rid of them altogether and started a massive restoration, I guess that will be fine.... but Reese isnt going anywhere until the prior 3 go first. Reese will get to choose his own QB and coach before he is fired. Whether its right or wrong.