"Sources told FOX 26 Sports Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson has been indicted in Montgomery County for reckless or negligent injury to a child."
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Solid priorities.
If you were insulted by my word choices and attempts at humor, by all means please do accept my apologies. But I kinda think you're more interested in creating those wacky strawmen you see around every corner than being indignant over my prose.
Keep on tilting at windmills, Quixote.
and the reason why I said I thought you wont come out and say it is because you know how offensive that term could be when hurled as an insult. Even more insulting to african americans than the targeted white individual. I dont think youre a racist though (not that you are breathing a sigh of relief at my judgement) , ive never seen a hint of that in reading your posts for a long time now. I just thought its pretty curious
It just felt fishy. But if its in the context I suspect, it would admittedly be way out of character for chris
im bowing out of this thread now.
It just felt fishy. But if its in the context I suspect, it would admittedly be way out of character for chris
im bowing out of this thread now.
MOM, thank you for explaining. I was just honestly curious and didn't realize the two of you knew each other.
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you asshole. That guy fathered multiple children by multiple women. He's not a good person
22, though? That was a hyperbolic statement founded on racist stereotypes.
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you asshole. That guy fathered multiple children by multiple women. He's not a good person
22, though? That was a hyperbolic statement founded on racist stereotypes.
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Buford, not surprised you need it spelled out for you. Yes, it is a hyperbolic statement founded on racist stereotypes specific to black men.
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This, this, this, and this X 1000
Being spanked or even hit with a belt when you were a kid and believing that that's proper or effective punishment is one thing.
Being brutally beaten as a child and doing the same to your own child is entirely something else. To beat anyone like that, much less a 4yr old, displays an incredible lack of empathy and emotional detachment.
His, "I was teaching him a lesson, that's how I was raised." is a bullshit rationalization.
Someone capable of doing that to their own child is obviously disturbed. Maybe he's disturbed because of the beatings he received, I dunno.
I firmly believe that a normal person's reaction to that sort of abuse is just the opposite of what AP is claiming. They become hyper sensitive to it, because they understand (empathy) how horrible it is to be on the receiving end of such abuse.
Fuck this guy. He needs to be locked up, and then he needs some serious psychological help.
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A little late, dickface.
Seems to me the best way AP could fight child abuse is to stay away from children.
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A little late, dickface.
Seems to me the best way AP could fight child abuse is to stay away from children.
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I'm in the camp of what AP did was sick, abusive and completely unacceptable. On the other hand I don't think he did this for enjoyment but rather this is what he knew and he probably thought this was the best parenting he could do. As someone said earlier, he needs education and rehabilitation. The public raking and suspension he's going to get is going to be punishment.
So if you're the NFL what do you do? This is of course complicated by the timing of the Ray Rice situation. Clearly you have to do something. Do you suspend him indefinitely too? Ban him for life? Wait for the legal system?
In this case I would gather all of the facts and if it seems that this truly is APs idea of best parenting, I would use the newly implemented abuse policy and state that there is no room for child abuse in our society and league and AP is going to suspended for 6 games. I would force AP to publicly apologize and say he didn't realize what he did was wrong but now he knows and he'll never do it again. Then donate the salary that he loses from the suspension to child abuse prevention.
Ultimately AP should be able to play again and this is an opportunity to use a terrible situation for some good. This is an opportunity for the NFL to do what's right and come down harsh on AP but use it as a lesson for everyone watching.
If Goodell screws this us he's gone.
Excellent post that is what I would do if I were Goodell.
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Buford, not surprised you need it spelled out for you. Yes, it is a hyperbolic statement founded on racist stereotypes specific to black men.
Christ you are as dense as a doornail. Go be annoying somewhere else.
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That statement wasn't directed at him. My first comment was. The second post was towards the myriads of comments that borderline condone beatings. I rarely if ever have paid attention to you or anything you post. I don't give a shit about your thoughts here. But you seem to think you're THAT important. Your reading comprehension sucks. And you must have a guilty conscience. Your posts right now say a lot about your character. In closing... Fuck off and go bother someone who cares about what you think.
Wow, that's the angriest I've seen Berry. Epic takedown.
Yeah, in all my years on BBI, I think I have only seen Berry go off maybe twice including this one...But not shocked who she went off on each time.
wait wait wait, he's Mike?
The Montgomery County ADA ... "Obviously parents have a right to discipline their children, except when that discipline exceeds what the community thinks is reasonable ... It wasn't that he just used a switch" ... LINK
AP's boyhood pastor in Palestine, TX, Roy Duncan ... "The orientation for child discipline in this area does include some switches. It’s worked effectively, and I don’t think we’re a community of abusers at all. I think we’re a community who cares about children" ... LINK
Palestine is in a county of just 58,000 with a median household income of $31,000. Montgomery has a population of 456,000 and a median household income of $60,000.
Will "just disciplining his child" translate from Palestine to Montgomery? It's a much differnt community, but still Texas.
In the meantime, while AP is being "rehabilitated," his kids would still be at his mercy. The fuck should be in prison, not only as punishment for what he did, but what he might still do & to send a message to child abusers that even star football players aren't above the law. Hopefully that's what a judge or jury will decide in his criminal case, which somehow people seem to have largely forgotten abouto. Whether he plays or even ever is allowed to see his kids again should be the very least of his worries. Even in prison child abusers are rather seriously frowned upon.
The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law.
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The law specifically excludes “reasonable” discipline by the child’s parent, guardian, or conservator; corporal punishment is not in itself abusive under the law. What We Can Do About Child Abuse - ( New Window )
And what's your point? That what AP did was reasonable? The link goes on to say: "Physical abuse typically occurs when a frustrated parent or caregiver strikes, shakes, or throws a child because of anger. Other forms of deliberate assault that may be physically abusive include burning, scalding,biting, kicking, cutting, poking, twisting a child’s limbs, deliberately withholding food, binding, gagging, choking, or hitting the child with a closed fist or other instrument. Any form of corporal punishment may be abusive if it results in injury."
AP was indicted, hence the powers that be believed he deliberately assaulted & abused his son & caused injury. The photos & AP's own admissions more than justify that opinion.
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And what's your point? That what AP did was reasonable? The link goes on to say: "Physical abuse typically occurs when a frustrated parent or caregiver strikes, shakes, or throws a child because of anger. Other forms of deliberate assault that may be physically abusive include burning, scalding,biting, kicking, cutting, poking, twisting a child’s limbs, deliberately withholding food, binding, gagging, choking, or hitting the child with a closed fist or other instrument. Any form of corporal punishment may be abusive if it results in injury."
AP was indicted, hence the powers that be believed he deliberately assaulted & abused his son & caused injury. The photos & AP's own admissions more than justify that opinion.
The point is not what we think is reasonable, as far as a conviction goes, but what a jury in Montgomery County, Texas thinks is reasonable. That's if it goes to trial.
Barkley: "I'm from the South. I understand Boomer's (Esiason) rage and anger ... but he's a white guy and I'm a black guy. I don't know where he's from (editor's note: Esiason grew up in Long Island), I'm from the South. Whipping -- we do that all the time. Every black parent in the South is going to be in jail under those circumstances."
Rome: "It doesn't matter where you're from: Right is right and wrong is wrong."
Barkley: "I don't believe that because, listen, we spank kids in the South. I think the question about whether Adrian Peterson went overboard -- Listen, Jim, we all grow up in different environments. Every black parent in my neighborhood in the South would be in trouble or in jail under those circumstances."
Rome: "My thing is: I don't want to tell anybody how to raise their kids and I really don't want anybody telling me how to raise my kids. But let's make a distinction between 'child rearing' and 'child abuse.' That was child abuse. There's no fine line here."
Barkley: "I think there's a fine line. Jim, I've had many welts on my legs. I've gotten beat with switches -- and I don't even like the term. When the media talks about it, 'beating a child'--
Rome: "But that's what that was, Charles."
Barkley: "We called it 'spanking' or 'whipping' our kids."
Rome: "If I see open wounds or bruises on a body that is a beating."
Barkley: "Sure. I think those pictures are disturbing. And I think Adrian said 'I went overboard.' But as far as being from the South, we all spanked our kids -- I got spanked, me an my two brothers"--
Rome: "But then, Chuck, not now, right? 1964 is one thing, 2014 is another. Maybe we need to rethink this thing."
Barkley: "And I totally agree with that. But I think we have to really be careful trying to teach other parents how to discipline their kids. That's a very fine line."
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And he was 4. FOUR. 4.
And if Charles Barkley whips his 4 your old son until there are deep bloody whelts, then Charles Barkley needs to go to jail too. Point is, just because he's Charles Fucking Barkley doesn't make him right. And - if he is right - if it is normal for black people from the south to whip their 4 year old children until they bleed, then something is seriously fucking wrong with black people from the south.
I tried to make it very clear in my initial post on this thread that although what Peterson did went way overboard and he deserves to face some serious punishment (go back and look at my post if you must) for it, I don't think he had evil intentions and therefore is a bad person. The guy has had a spotless past history, as far as I know, and I don't take what was (hopefully) one incident, good or bad, a person is involved in to make a judgement about a person, whether that be a good or bad judgement, and that's the tag they should have to live with for the rest of their lives... to hell with his or her reputation before said incident. If some want to do that, feel free... I just disagree with it because I know I wouldn't want a bunch of people to make judgements about me based on the worst thing I've probably ever done in my life.
But that's just me. You don't agree with that, that's fine and I can respect that. Anyway, I'm done with this topic and thread.
Do I believe what he did was very wrong. Yes. But do I think that he's a monster? No. He just used very bad judgement and went to far and he deserves to be punished for it. No child needs to be beaten to the point where there is blood drawn and welts all over his or her legs and bruises everywhere. Especially at 4 years old. But I also don't think all of a sudden that this is an evil man who deserves to rot in jail for years. I think that's going a bit overboard.
If it wasn't, then I apologize for being misled when your first two posts on this thread were:
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Tell that to the child. Ask the child how he views him when he's being beaten.
I hope
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Some of you don't have kids , ever.
It appears that your post when you say 'He's not a monster?' is in response to mine when I say I don't see him as some kind of monster. Personally, and it's only my opinion and how I operate, I try not to say things like I hope someone never has kids because you never know what that person you are referring to is going through when it comes to having children. But moving on...
I saw the pictures and I saw the text messages. Within those text messages I see a man who openly admits that he went too far with this particular beating (ie, when he tells his child's mother that she's gonna be mad at him when she sees some of the cuts and bruises) and I would hope that with proper education he can be taught that beatings like the one he gave his child go waaaay beyond what is/was deserved. Had he NOT been caught, then yeah... I could see this continuing on and him possibly injuring the child (or one of his other children) more. But now that he has... and I still believe he's a good man at heart... hopefully his eyes can be opened to what he had done (and possibly BEEN doing) wrong and he can know that discipline isn't just about teaching your kids that 'daddy doesn't play' and whooping them until you draw blood.
For the last time, do I think he deserves to be punished for what he did to that child? Yes, most definitely! I wouldn't even be opposed to several months in jail for it. But do I think that this is also a case of a good person who did something wrong and can learn from his mistakes? Yes, I see that also based on his past history as one of the 'good guys' in the sport. Everyone keeps bringing up his other child that was killed and how he wasn't in that particular child's life but, and someone correct me if I'm wrong because I didn't follow that story that closely, I thought it was public knowledge that for most of that particular child's life Peterson didn't know he was the father of that child? Kind of hard to hold against him if he didn't know about the kid until after he'd been born.
If you, or anyone else, want to believe that he's some kind of monster then you're entitled to your opinion. I would hope that if that were the case that he would've been reported a long time ago and if he has a history of dishing out these kind of beatings maybe my mind will change. But I'm not going to hold this one mistake, although a very big one, over his head and forget everything that I thought about him until I saw those pictures. Again, I think he's a good guy who just made a very bad mistake... one that he can... and hopefully will... learn from.
Re: Monsters--- in another lifetime, I worked on various cases of child abuse. Most often, ones where the child died at the hands of the mother or father. More often the father. These things go vastly unreported until it is too late. Why? the mother is financially dependent on the father, chances are she's getting beat too, or he promises never to do it again....any number of dysfunctional reasons.
I've sat there and combed through court reports and autopsies of several dead children. Often, the excuse is: I don't know what happened, I took it too far, I didn't mean for this to happen, I've never done this before, etc.
Then, it was my and my partners job along with the medical examiners to figure out the cause of death. We look at the dead child, hundreds of photos are taken during the autopsies. The child is laid to rest. Now come the late night hours in the office.
We read testimony, we look at picture. Back and forth, back and forth... testimony-pictures. We see the welts on the child's body that presumably caused the death. Then we see that the child tried to defend itself, or maybe it didn't. We have to determine, was the child conscious prior to the moment of death.
Then we have postmortem X-rays of the child. Often, we would see prior broken bones that were not set We have the medical records of the child. No broken bones reported.
We see the internal hemorrhages. We see the broken capillaries on the eyeballs (asphyxiation). We see burn marks. Wounds in the later stages of healing. We see every little thing that ever happened to the child prior to the incident where the mother of father went "overboard".
Most of the cases I worked on were Caucasian children. The last case I worked on was a 2 year old grandchild of a very prominent North Eastern Caucasian man.
That last case, I recall sitting on the floor surrounded by court printouts and hundreds of pictures from the autopsy. Eyeballs removed, the heart, all visceral organs, photos of the legs, arms, brain and that adorable little face. You sit there and you read the testimony from the father (in this case) who swears he didn't mean for it to happen. Then you think about the child. How can you fathom what that child or any other of the children's cases I worked on, felt in those last moments before death. Hopefully, they weren't conscious.... hopefully they went quickly. How terrifyingly scared where they each time a violent incident happened? Did they think they were just going to go to school or play with their friends the next day? Were they thinking of what to tell the teacher about the black eye? Why didn't this child try to defend him/herself? Why should this child have to be in this position?
What on earth did this child do that angered the parent so much? What did this child want to be when he or she grew up? What was his/her favorite toy? Are there siblings? What's going to come of them? Will I be working on their case next? The questions you go over in your head are heartbreaking.
"Overboard, didn't mean to, it only happened once".
Sorry I don't buy it. I've seen it too often.
Yes they are monsters, worse than any imaginary monster in any child's closet or under the bed.
All I'll say is that I will hope that this incident will serve as a wake-up call to Peterson and I pray that he finds a better means of disciplining his children in the future. I haven't been through nearly as much as you obviously have with regards to these kind of matters so with you having that experience I feel it's best that I bow out and keep my own personal views to what kind of person I believe Peterson is to myself.
I'm through with this thread.
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