Adrian Peterson indicted in child injury case

My point is he was about to go on trial for that, yet he is absolutely beloved as if the thing never happened. People in Pittsburgh don't spend 2 seconds wondering how many women accused Roethlisberger of stuff. Until people actually stop watching and spending money, these guys will get second chances if a team thinks the player can help. I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

when abuelita busts out the chanclas, is that abuse? Then again, grandma's sandals aren't quite the same thing as a switch.

In comment 11858608 mrvax said:

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Many posters over 50 were probably beat hard enough by their father so severe that they'd be jailed if it happened today.

I agree...I got quite a few beating that would have certainly got my father in trouble today.

He beat a 4yr old, once the details get out (which he cops to and offered up btw), there is no way they can let him play and even remotely maintain integrity.....he's done as he should be

I never thought it'd get to this point, but between having a watered down product, and all this off field stuff, I'm legitimately wondering if the NFL is a product I want to support.

In comment 11858781 natefit said:

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Point being that if anyone here was beaten repeatedly by a parent with a foreign object, your parent was guilty of physically abusing you. You may not like to hear it but its true.

To the extent that it leaves scars and/or marks like those in the pictures, then yes.

discipline and abuse is, but I think it's fair to say that this is well over that line.

In comment 11858608 mrvax said:

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Many posters over 50 were probably beat hard enough by their father so severe that they'd be jailed if it happened today.

Exactly. I'm going to wait and see what actually happened when more information is released.

In comment 11858762 Pork and Beans said:

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There will be people defending this.

I just had someone on Facebook. ' I was switched all the time when I was a kid!'

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and to say the least, I'm extremely disappointed in AP. He was one of the guys that I truly believed to be one of the good guys that represented the league well.

This. I'm just not reading the rest of this thread and pictures.

Shit. This is deplorable. Sad. This isn't discipline, this is abuse in the truest sense.
This is far worse than what Rice did.

AP should be suspended faster then Rice was. Fuck.

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In comment 11858608 mrvax said: Quote: Many posters over 50 were probably beat hard enough by their father so severe that they'd be jailed if it happened today. Exactly. I'm going to wait and see what actually happened when more information is released.

If those pictures are accurate I can't imagine any circumstances that could ever justify it. I really don't need to see more than the photos, but I will allow for the chance of there being some mistake and those not being pictures of his son.

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In comment 11858762 Pork and Beans said: Quote: There will be people defending this. I just had someone on Facebook. ' I was switched all the time when I was a kid!'

Maybe they hadn't seen the pictures. Their interpretation of being "switched" may be a sting to the bottom and nothing more. Ask them if they have seen the pictures.

this wasn't a 'switching' this was abuse.

didn't agree with an indefinite suspension, they're hands are tied....it would not only be wrong to let him play....it would be beyond moronic to even entertain the idea as they are completely in the crosshairs and sponsors would start to react no doubt...

But when I did, I got it big. A tennis racket. A lashing with a clotheshanger repeatedly. A pool stick until it broke. Wooden shoes, wooden spoons. I came from a family of sicilian immigrants, that was just considered discipline. And what i got was tame compared to my cousins and my knife throwing aunt. They were raised that way, they passed it on. Doesnt make it right, but it does shed light. I bet peterson got beat as a kid too.

You can break the cycle though. And with time to reflect and a generation of being in the american culture, my mom and aunts look back at that with regret, they would never think of laying a finger on one of their grandkids. Me and my cousins look back and laugh at the shared beatdowns. What peterson did was wrong, and its easy to just vilify him. Its simple to just paint him as some monster. But I think its more complex than that. I dont find what he did as appalling as ray rice. And I find it easier to believe that adrian petersons behavior is probably more open to rehabilitation. He was very likely on the other side growing up, and learned this behavior as a teaching tool (as misguided as it may be). I dont think its as simple as he just gets off beating on kids.

is not a Sicilian immigrant. I don't give a fuck if he was beaten daily by his piece of shut father. He's a fucking criminal. This is not discipline in any civilized society.

50....Irish-italian family....a belt was sometimes used for punishment. You had to really screw up to get that.
Went to Catholic school and caught a few good ones there as well.

As a parent now.....it's never been an option. You can't do that in 2014......and really why would you?

He should serve jail time for that.

prison.

to a child or a woman.

Like his convict father

He was wrong, and he deserves all the public scorn he gets, especially given his high profile nature lending itself to this being one of those teachable moments

but I will stop short of coming to the conclusion that peterson is just some twisted animal who gets off on beating kids. Thats incredibly shortsighted and easy. There is more to this misguided behavior than that

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to a child or a woman.

AMEN

to the child's mother or read any of his grand jury testimony it seems almost like a case of diminished capacity.

he's 100% forthcoming about every single detail and almost boastful of the job he's doing raising his kids.

Punishment definitely needs to be handed out, and I sure it will, but if you read more about this it sounds like he truly doesn't know right from wrong. He acknowledges he went too far "because the switch hit the kids nuts once" and things like that.

it's almost sad (for him and more for the 4-year old and other kids he's raising or helping to raise).

When AP's son was killed by that psycho I remember how the media was lauding him and making him out to be an enormous victim that deserved sympathy. When this happened and around the watercoolers I bit my tongue because I felt that he should not have been glorified for being an absentee parent. I was very upset personally by how the story was portrayed with him suffering this unbelievable loss. It was downright insulting.

Now this story comes out and everything I now think even less of him. It is shameful on his part. He's a dirt bag if this is true, and I believe it because this is an indictment and not just general police handy work.

There is a huge difference between spanking and hitting when it comes to discipline

I grew up in a household where spankings occurred if you misbehaved badly. Im a firm believer in it, and I supported my parents in their decision to spank us. It was never over the top and excessive but enough to demonstrate a point and to reinforce roles within the family.

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Shit. This is deplorable. Sad. This isn't discipline, this is abuse in the truest sense. This is far worse than what Rice did.

<sigh> ... It is horrendous. But to use this as a way to downplay knocking a woman unconscious by punching her in the face - is exactly the type of attitude that is disgraceful. There is no reason to say one is worse than the other. They are both horrendous. They are both inexusable. They are both criminal.

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In comment 11858815 Wuphat said:

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discipline and abuse is, but I think it's fair to say that this is well over that line.

Exactly. Whipping kids with a switch is abusive, plain and simple.

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In comment 11858826 islander1 said: Quote: Shit. This is deplorable. Sad. This isn't discipline, this is abuse in the truest sense. This is far worse than what Rice did. <sigh> ... It is horrendous. But to use this as a way to downplay knocking a woman unconscious by punching her in the face - is exactly the type of attitude that is disgraceful. There is no reason to say one is worse than the other. They are both horrendous. They are both inexusable. They are both criminal.

Yup

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In comment 11858815 Wuphat said: Quote: discipline and abuse is, but I think it's fair to say that this is well over that line. Exactly. Whipping kids with a switch is abusive, plain and simple.

Would almost rather him hit the kid once rather then keep beating him over and over with a switch. A 4 year old can't defend himself.

out of this, but I think the uproar will be such that it may happen. When Ray Rice cold-cocked his wife in the face, he KNEW what he did was wrong. When Peterson hit his kid with a switch, he thought (or claimed to think) he was disciplining the kid. That's the fucked up part, it's a learned behavior. He will be punished, or at least he should be, but hopefully the result of this will be that some measure of counseling, threatened punishment and public shaming convinces him that this really is as bad as the rest of us think it is.

There is little doubt in my mind that as bad as this looks and sounds, adrian peterson did this for reasons he felt would ultimately benefit his son. That may be tough for people to believe, and he was obviously mistaken for feeling that way. But if we are to compare this situation and a ray rice, I find that a relevant distinction. This is very likely how he himself was raised with this as a disciplinary tool. People often parent in a similar way to how they themselves were parented. If people just approach this from the angle that peterson is strictly a sick fuck, I think its a view that shows a lack of depth. As well as a lack of awareness for how widespread this is in a lot of family histories. Its a tactic that is less acceptable than ever and rightfully so. Its great that we as a society are attempting to stamp this out. But not every body who uses this disciplinary tool does it because beating on kids somehow gives them pleasure

In comment 11858926 MarshallOnMontana said:

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There is little doubt in my mind that as bad as this looks and sounds, adrian peterson did this for reasons he felt would ultimately benefit his son. That may be tough for people to believe, and he was obviously mistaken for feeling that way. But if we are to compare this situation and a ray rice, I find that a relevant distinction. This is very likely how he himself was raised with this as a disciplinary tool. People often parent in a similar way to how they themselves were parented. If people just approach this from the angle that peterson is strictly a sick fuck, I think its a view that shows a lack of depth. As well as a lack of awareness for how widespread this is in a lot of family histories. Its a tactic that is less acceptable than ever and rightfully so. Its great that we as a society are attempting to stamp this out. But not every body who uses this disciplinary tool does it because beating on kids somehow gives them pleasure

I think anyone who could continue to whip the shit out of a 4-year old boy like that is a sick fuck. You could make the claim that his father turned him into a sick fuck by doing the same to him, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a sick fuck.

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In comment 11858926 MarshallOnMontana said: Quote: There is little doubt in my mind that as bad as this looks and sounds, adrian peterson did this for reasons he felt would ultimately benefit his son. That may be tough for people to believe, and he was obviously mistaken for feeling that way. But if we are to compare this situation and a ray rice, I find that a relevant distinction. This is very likely how he himself was raised with this as a disciplinary tool. People often parent in a similar way to how they themselves were parented. If people just approach this from the angle that peterson is strictly a sick fuck, I think its a view that shows a lack of depth. As well as a lack of awareness for how widespread this is in a lot of family histories. Its a tactic that is less acceptable than ever and rightfully so. Its great that we as a society are attempting to stamp this out. But not every body who uses this disciplinary tool does it because beating on kids somehow gives them pleasure I think anyone who could continue to whip the shit out of a 4-year old boy like that is a sick fuck. You could make the claim that his father turned him into a sick fuck by doing the same to him, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a sick fuck.

Yet, you laud David Diehl out to be some sort of hero and ultimate high character guy when he got a DUI and wiped out a couple parked cars in the process.

Although he definitely went WAY over the line and deserves to get in some serious trouble because those pictures are disgusting to look at... I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him a monster or whatever. I wouldn't say he's a bad or evil man. He's thinking, 'Hey, this is how I was raised and I turned out alright didn't I?' but he obviously doesn't know there is a very thin line between just giving a child, especially a 4 year old, a simple spanking and physically abusing him or her. It's just like hazing in schools, particularly colleges, in today's society. What folks were able to do and get away with just 20-25 years ago are no longer allowed and rightly so.

This has been one of the strangest beginnings of a football season that I've ever experienced. If a year ago I would've told you that a year from now Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson would be in serious trouble from not only the league but perhaps law enforcement as well because of violence, who would've believed me?

of disciplining your kid with corporal punishment if you are going to be an absentee father with 7 different kids one of which got murdered?

IF that method works it only works to instill fear/respect into your child to behave correctly when you are around.

It really is unnecessary though if you have communication skills and can teach a child with your experience rather than just beating them. SMH

I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him a monster or whatever. I wouldn't say he's a bad or evil man. He's thinking, 'Hey, this is how I was raised and I turned out alright didn't I?'

Is that factual? Is that the way he was brought up.

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I never thought it'd get to this point, but between having a watered down product, and all this off field stuff, I'm legitimately wondering if the NFL is a product I want to support.

I don't get this logic at all. If an employee or even the CEO or president of the company who manufactured your car or TV or any other product you own/use abused his kids, wife or even murdered them or anyone else, you're telling me you'd sell them or stop using them or stop "supporting" those companies or entire industries as you would the NFL? Rae Carruth hired someone to murder his pregnant wife & Jeremiah Parker was convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 4 year-old, but you didn't stop supporting football then. What makes this situation worse than those?

A certain % of people in every occupation do despicable & illegal things. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that athletes or entertainers in general do them more often than people in any other professions/occupations. If Joe Blow, your neighbor from up the block, did what Peterson or Rice did it not only wouldn't even make the news, you'd probably never even hear about it.

Considering this happened in Texas, not exactly known as a lenient state, & to a 4 year-old, & if it is proven that it happened numerous times before, my guess is Peterson will get 1-3 years in prison & many years of probation after that. I seriously doubt he plays another down of football.

Why can't the legal system take its course?

My initial impression was he pretty obviously was, because thats how it is in most of these cases. Then I later saw the lawyers statement where he does in fact mention that. This is learned behavior, most often passed down. And as much as we increasingly and rightfully look to evolve, this behavior can actually stem from good intentions, even though misguided

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of disciplining your kid with corporal punishment if you are going to be an absentee father with 7 different kids one of which got murdered? IF that method works it only works to instill fear/respect into your child to behave correctly when you are around. It really is unnecessary though if you have communication skills and can teach a child with your experience rather than just beating them. SMH

Perfect post.

In comment 11858949 Tim in Eternal Blue said:

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Why can't the legal system take its course?

Because those pictures & AP's admission of what he did do cause those injuries are WAAAAAAAAAAY more than sufficient for the NFL to decide that AP shouldn't be a part of a league that purports to be on the side of morality, lawfulness & righteousness.

I love the parsing & moral equivalence that some BBIers have done on this & other topics. If a grown man beats the living shit out of a young kid for something ridiculously trivial (or not), how the fuck does it make a difference as far as how anyone should view that man if he enjoyed it or just thought it was the right thing to do? Either way his moral compass is broken well beyond repair & he's a sick fuck. I'm not comparing AP to the likes of Dahmer, but Dahmer & his ilk didn't enjoy what they did either. Didn't make them 1 iota less sick fucks.

In comment 11858926 MarshallOnMontana said:

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There is little doubt in my mind that as bad as this looks and sounds, adrian peterson did this for reasons he felt would ultimately benefit his son. That may be tough for people to believe, and he was obviously mistaken for feeling that way.

Excellent analysis and illustrates the danger that AP poses to his children.

In comment 11858951 MarshallOnMontana said:

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My initial impression was he pretty obviously was, because thats how it is in most of these cases. Then I later saw the lawyers statement where he does in fact mention that. This is learned behavior, most often passed down. And as much as we increasingly and rightfully look to evolve, this behavior can actually stem from good intentions, even though misguided

That violence in ANY form (spanking or using objects) against one's kids & anyone else is most definitely learned behavior is why violence in ANY form against one's kids & anyone else is reprehensible & should be illegal for parents to do. It's also why capital punishment by the government is wrong, although I don't want to go there.

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Although he definitely went WAY over the line and deserves to get in some serious trouble because those pictures are disgusting to look at... I don't know if I'd go so far as to call him a monster or whatever. I wouldn't say he's a bad or evil man. He's thinking, 'Hey, this is how I was raised and I turned out alright didn't I?' but he obviously doesn't know there is a very thin line between just giving a child, especially a 4 year old, a simple spanking and physically abusing him or her. It's just like hazing in schools, particularly colleges, in today's society. What folks were able to do and get away with just 20-25 years ago are no longer allowed and rightly so. This has been one of the strangest beginnings of a football season that I've ever experienced. If a year ago I would've told you that a year from now Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson would be in serious trouble from not only the league but perhaps law enforcement as well because of violence, who would've believed me?

You are quickly becoming 1 of my favorite posters T-bone. Instead of all of the reactionary knee jerk coomnents saying he should be thrown in jail for life and he derives pleasure from beating children, you have presented a rational insightful opinion. I have s 9 year old boy and could not imagine ever causing those kind of injuries to him and if anyone else did I would want to kill them myself. However from what is being presented it seems like Peterson thought he was doing what was best for the child by teaching him a lesson. I don't agree with it but I was hit by a belt as a child and threatened with physical punishment and I understand the mentality. Granted my parents never beat me anywhere near that. Hasn't anyone ever heard the old line when someone was going to spank their child saying this is going to hurt you more than it hurts me. It seems obvious that Peterson thought he was doing what needed to be done for the benefit of the child. Please don't misunderstand and think I am agreeing with what he did because I am not. Spanking is one thing. Drawing blood is another. But what I am saying is this incident does not mean he is an incorigable monster. Rehabilitation and education would be more appropriate.

In comment 11858608 mrvax said:

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Many posters over 50 were probably beat hard enough by their father so severe that they'd be jailed if it happened today.

Regardless if we were beat like that, I never beat my kids and I don't know any other adults who have to this extent.

In comment 11858855 Chris in Philly said:

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is not a Sicilian immigrant. I don't give a fuck if he was beaten daily by his piece of shut father. He's a fucking criminal. This is not discipline in any civilized society.

Exactly...I don't get this "Well I got beat 35 years ago by my dad so it's okaay this kid got hit with a switch"..

In comment 11858951 MarshallOnMontana said:

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My initial impression was he pretty obviously was, because thats how it is in most of these cases. Then I later saw the lawyers statement where he does in fact mention that. This is learned behavior, most often passed down. And as much as we increasingly and rightfully look to evolve, this behavior can actually stem from good intentions, even though misguided

Oh, his lawyer said. Did his lawyer say he went through this ...
According to police reports, the child, however, had a slightly different story, telling authorities that "Daddy Peterson hit me on my face." The child also expressed worry that Peterson would punch him in the face if the child reported the incident to authorities. He also said that he had been hit by a belt and that "there are a lot of belts in Daddy's closet." He added that Peterson put leaves in his mouth when he was being hit with the switch while his pants were down. The child told his mother that Peterson "likes belts and switches" and "has a whooping room."
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In comment 11858794 David in LA said: Quote: I never thought it'd get to this point, but between having a watered down product, and all this off field stuff, I'm legitimately wondering if the NFL is a product I want to support. I don't get this logic at all. If an employee or even the CEO or president of the company who manufactured your car or TV or any other product you own/use abused his kids, wife or even murdered them or anyone else, you're telling me you'd sell them or stop using them or stop "supporting" those companies or entire industries as you would the NFL? Rae Carruth hired someone to murder his pregnant wife & Jeremiah Parker was convicted of manslaughter in the death of a 4 year-old, but you didn't stop supporting football then. What makes this situation worse than those? A certain % of people in every occupation do despicable & illegal things. There is absolutely nothing to indicate that athletes or entertainers in general do them more often than people in any other professions/occupations. If Joe Blow, your neighbor from up the block, did what Peterson or Rice did it not only wouldn't even make the news, you'd probably never even hear about it. Considering this happened in Texas, not exactly known as a lenient state, & to a 4 year-old, & if it is proven that it happened numerous times before, my guess is Peterson will get 1-3 years in prison & many years of probation after that. I seriously doubt he plays another down of football.

It's not just the off field stuff, it's how this stuff is covered in media, it's a little much for me. My biggest issue has more to do with how the game has evolved as well, and the hypocrisy of feigning giving a shit about player safety while they're trying to extend the season to make a grab for more revenue.