My nominee for the most completely indefensible pick of the past seven years is Phillip Dillard. Nobody thought he was any good before the draft, and it turned out that he wasn't.
Here's the thing, though: of the next four linebackers selected in the 2010 Draft, not one played a single down in the NFL last year.
115 Phillip Dillard, Giants - Out of football
116 Thaddeus Gibson, Steelers - CFL
119 A.J. Edds, Dolphins - Cut and resigned by NYJ last week, he just played his first game since 2011.
121 Keenan Clayton, Eagles - Most recently cut by Arizona
124 Eric Norwood, Panthers - Has played in the UFL, AFL and CFL
Apparently, the draft is hard. The gem of that round was Geno Atkins, at #120.
Maybe I should have stuck with a more obvious choice, like Clint Sintim, Travis Beckum or Marvin Austin. It just seems unfair to point to a player whose career was derailed by injuries, even if he did kind of suck when healthy.
I mean take a flyer on him in round 6-7, not where he was picked.
and drafting unger, the obvious pick, would've saved the baas contract AND the could've used the richburg pick on somebody else
so that quadruple-whammied us
the Unger info is just depressing. though you could argue either his hamstrings and/or back would be all wrecked by now playing for this team and we'd at least need Richburg at this point.
Actually I think Sintim, Beckum, Dillard, Dodge, and QB Andre Woodson were all egregiously awful picks. Dillard and Dodge were the only ones who filled needs, the rest were picks that made absolutely no sense from a need standpoint while leaving serious needs unfullfilled. And Dillard and Dodge were both awful players in the NFL.
And it's Sintim w Max Unger sitting there. Much worse than the Dillard pick
At least we will get 4 in the top 100 or so, provided none are 'reaches' or 'projects'.
Sintim as mentioned was a 3-4 square peg to hopefully be fitted into a 4-3 round whole; Dillard was just the beneficiary of a boy named Suh.
What really sucks is that the Giants could have traded one of their 2nd round picks for Tony Gonzalez, didn't do it, and then whiffed on every one of those picks.
Bitching about 4th rd picks and comp 3rd rd picks is a complete joke, especially when historically 2/3 of players picked after the 3rd rd do not make it more that a couple of years. 3rd rd is basically a 50/50 deal
To me, his biggest draft issue is that he has really gotten nothing out of the 3rd rd. Beckum was playing a lot during their SB run, but Chad Jones not having a chance and Holsey being bad and jury still out on Jernigan make that round tough.
Sintim gets my vote.
From Drew Boylhart's profile....
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Wilson never showed that he was going to be a starting RB. A 1st round RB has got to show more.
WIlson? C'mon. Who knew he was gonna have the neck thing. That's like saying Sean Taylor was a bad pick because he was murdered. Unforeseeable.
Barden. See that fade they ran to Washington the other night? They didn't try that even ONCE while they had Barden. You have to wonder how dumb the kid was if you can't give him ONE PLAY like that in a red zone package and get SOMETHING out of it. And Robinson is starting to look like another Barden.
I would have said SInorice Moss, but that was an Accorsi blunder.
I think that's why it's an even worse pick than the rest - even under optimistic scenarios, he was an odd pick.
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Sintim was just miscast here. He had the misfortune to be drafted by the wrong team.
I think that's why it's an even worse pick than the rest - even under optimistic scenarios, he was an odd pick.
He also didn't catch on anywhere else after, 45th overall pick to total bust and out of football with a whopping 11 career tackles to his name. That's just plain ugly.
Pick out the guy you think is best. Now evaluate his drafts for the last 5 years, player by player. And go!
Sintim as mentioned was a 3-4 square peg to hopefully be fitted into a 4-3 round whole; Dillard was just the beneficiary of a boy named Suh.
That was damn funny. LOL. A boy named Suh. LOL.
Of course, this same logic would have been applied to the Eli trade by me... So good thing I wasn't GM then. :)
Wilson is our first real 'miss' on a first rounder since William Joseph, and his neck injury was responsible for that miss.
David, Robinson was undrafted. Dammit, give the kid a chance. He could be a red zone threat or maybe even better with time. Barden was drafted around round 3 in a wide receiver panic when we lost Burress.
Pick out the guy you think is best. Now evaluate his drafts for the last 5 years, player by player. And go!
Excellent post, but we're just playing with Reese in this thread. By the way, I do like Reese.
Very dopey post. You don't have a "Player Injury Crystal Ball".
I hated the Sintim pick, and wasn't a fan of the Pugh pick. The Hosley selection was shocking to me. Guy fails a drug test around the combine, it just seemed so out of character for the giants to draft a guy like that. Y'know, he's a dumbass and Reese may be an even bigger one.
I hope he will practice soon and contribute but you never know if this injury will be chronic or not.
I hope he will practice soon and contribute but you never know if this injury will be chronic or not.
When a player is injured, you can't say he was a bad draft pick. He was never injured in college.
The offense is broke because the OL was terrible.
Draft day you are sitting there and maybe the safest pick in the entire draft is there, a four position player and you pass. It's more than the players...it's the philosophy.
Greg Jones
Markus Kuhn
Robert Henderson
Ramses Barden
Adrien Tracy
Secondly, Sintim was a 3-4 rushing LB/DE tweener that just didn't translate to a 4-3 LB. This was known to just about everyone. While we needed a LB badly, he was not the one to take. And we didn't draft another LB in that draft.
So with that Sintim pick, Reese basically fucked two positions for the next few years; center and LB.
Pick out the guy you think is best. Now evaluate his drafts for the last 5 years, player by player. And go!
So if your GM sucks the answere is dont make a change because some other GMs suck too? Most GMs suck because they never get a franchise QB to work with. Reese had one and as spent the last 8 years ignoring rule changes, CBA changes, and holds to a philosophy that if you don't pick a WR in the first 3 rounds the world will end. Then he compounds it my missing on most of the picks.
But hey, compare him to other shitty GMs because that's the bar you want to set as an organization. Don't make a change if a guy is a failure as other guys fail too.
high . Best player available in all positions?
Sintim was a head scratcher, no doubt. I think the Dillard pick was wishful thinking cause we are starving as a franchise for our defense to have solid LB's. we just seem to get disappointed every time we pick one.
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JPP of tight ends is a pretty bad pick....
blue42, no argument from me here as he's done zilch. However, I am a crazy fan and have this notion in my mind that he will get worked in more and more and become a seam threat down the middle. But I thought the same of Beckum and that never panned out did it?
I would just add that (and perhaps this is part of the issue) the draft picks are a groupthink. As in, everyone in the war room has pull w/Reese finalizing any stand-offs. in the case of adrien robinson, mike pope really wanted him and we usually just let him scan the Big 10 for late round blocking TEs. he clamoured for AR after coaching him at Combine. part of the reason he is gone imo
Wilson as a first round pick was/is very questionable. The only thing he really ever showed in the NFL was being a very capable kick returner.
First round, have to say Wilson.....you pick a RB in the first round, he better be a starter....he was not starting material....great kick returner, and possible rotational runner, but you don't use a #1 on that kind of player....could not get the plays, terrible pass blocker, ran wrong routes, a mistake waiting to happen....
The only guys who made a significant contribution, from the 3rd round and on, are Boss(one season), DeOssie(just as a long snapper and ST's), Bradshaw, and Mario....that's freakin' it from the 3rd round on....
Accorsi wanted Moss again at the end of the first, and the staffers had to convince him that Moss would be available when they pick in the 2nd. Accorsi agreed, they picked Kiwi, but he couldn't wait so he traded up in the 2nd to pick Moss.
Reese deserves a lot of criticism, but Accorsi had a pretty terrible track record in the draft and FA as well.
The only significant UFA bust I can think of from outside the organization was Kenny Holmes. Although Accorsi had some other lousy signings, like Brian Mitchell, Barrett Green, LaVar Arrington and Will Demps, I don't think any of those had much lingering cap impact.
Most of Accorsi's mistakes involved rotten drafts his first five years, and unfortunate re-signings of home-grown vets like Jason Sehorn and Luke Petitgout. His bad picks were really bad - the kind of howlers that make Clint Sintim look like a prize of level-headed talent evaluation.
The only significant UFA bust I can think of from outside the organization was Kenny Holmes. Although Accorsi had some other lousy signings, like Brian Mitchell, Barrett Green, LaVar Arrington and Will Demps, I don't think any of those had much lingering cap impact.
Most of Accorsi's mistakes involved rotten drafts his first five years, and unfortunate re-signings of home-grown vets like Jason Sehorn and Luke Petitgout. His bad picks were really bad - the kind of howlers that make Clint Sintim look like a prize of level-headed talent evaluation.
Trading up for Brian Alford, for one.
If he was, Aaron Ross is my pick. Simply said, there were two solid CBs in that draft. Rather than trading up like the Jets did to claim Reevis, we stood pat (as always) and drafted Ross who was an okay CB/S from Texas (and certainly not a 1st round pick), although the Giants were entranced by his speed and needed a corner.
For a 1st rounder, this was a bad one and set us back; we could have had perennial All- Pro OT Joe Staley (who most Giants fans were yelling for) who was drafted about 8 picks later.
Ross got off to a good start but faded badly from 2009 on, as his body simply failed him. While a pretty bad pick, he was an easy one to understand, considering the team's cornerback situation entering 2007.
If he was, Aaron Ross is my pick. Simply said, there were two solid CBs in that draft. Rather than trading up like the Jets did to claim Reevis, we stood pat (as always) and drafted Ross who was an okay CB/S from Texas (and certainly not a 1st round pick), although the Giants were entranced by his speed and needed a corner.
For a 1st rounder, this was a bad one and set us back; we could have had perennial All- Pro OT Joe Staley (who most Giants fans were yelling for) who was drafted about 8 picks later.
Really? you pick a guy that has an 8 year NFL career, and counting, 2 time super bowl champ, that played in both, and played well, 2006 Jim Thorpe award winner, and he's the worst opick Reesee ever made? he was decent enough the giants resigned him. His only real problem was injuries. he was a dwecent corner and at times in his career was referred to as a "Shutdown corner". Guy was a football player, no doubt about it.
Austin is my pick by a mile. Sintim wasn;t good, neither was Wilson. I didn't care for any of those picks, I didn't think any would work out, but Austin was out of football, had a questionable work ethic, and character issues, so I pick him above Sintim and Wilson,
Clint Sintim has 33 career tackles and a sack. Austin has 10.If Sintim hadn't torn his achilles twice he might have worked out, who knows. He career ended due to injury. Austin we actually cut.Wilson, well, they knew he couldn't block, they had no business making him a no. 1 pick.
With Sintim and Wilson there was still hope they might come around until injuries ended them. Austin was never anything in my mind.Austin wins.